Sunswords

[SamSneak]

Please fix sunswords also

they are listed as slashing, improved crit slashing does not work with sunsword...

thank you

[Silverjade]

Please fix sunswords also

they are listed as slashing, improved crit slashing does not work with sunsword...

thank you

I think you mean the sunblade? its a shortsword you need imp crit p.

Sunblade - (Weapon) +2 Shortsword (base dmg: 1d10), Flametouched Iron, +2 vs. Evil, Extra dmg vs. Undead

[wamjratl1]

I think you mean the sunblade? its a shortsword you need imp crit p.

Sunblade - (Weapon) +2 Shortsword (base dmg: 1d10), Flametouched Iron, +2 vs. Evil, Extra dmg vs. Undead

iI this an old screenie of something that has since been fixed? I can't log on right now to check the one I pulled the other week but from the Definitive Static Rewards and Named Item thread: Sunblade (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Weapons/SunBlade.jpg)

Technically it's a Bastard Sword that is just very light and easy to use so qualifies as a light weapon. Never checked to see if it's slashing or not... (hope it's piercing since that's how I'm specced but screenie says slash...)

[Silverjade]

iI this an old screenie of something that has since been fixed? I can't log on right now to check the one I pulled the other week but from the Definitive Static Rewards and Named Item thread: Sunblade (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Weapons/SunBlade.jpg)

Technically it's a Bastard Sword that is just very light and easy to use so qualifies as a light weapon. Never chexked to see if it's slashing or not... (hope it's piercing since that's how I'm specced but screenie says slash...)

Heh i copy pasted that from the loot list but yes it is a bastard sword and i do beilve it does do slashing but its set up as a shortsword if you look at that SC it says sunblade shortsword (light).

from the basics its a short sword that does 1d10 slashing not 1d6 p.

[Laith]

Please fix sunswords also

they are listed as slashing, improved crit slashing does not work with sunsword...

thank youyes, it is a strange situation, probably a bug, but it's been explained by a dev (not going to bother finding the quote).

the "improved crit slashing" feat doesn't actually add improved crit to weapons that do slashing damage: it adds improved crit to weapons typed "bastard sword", "longsword", "kama", etc.

the sunblade is a shortsword, so it works with the piercing feats.

[SamSneak]

The Sunblade is a Bastard Sword period: from the SRD.

Sun Blade

This sword is the size of a bastard sword. However, a sun blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use. (In other words, the weapon appears to all viewers to be a bastard sword, and deals bastard sword damage, but the wielder feels and reacts as if the weapon were a short sword.) Any individual able to use either a bastard sword or a short sword with proficiency is proficient in the use of a sun blade. Likewise, Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization in short sword and bastard sword apply equally, but the benefits of those feats do not stack.

The point is that improved crit Bastard Sword should work on a Sunblade as would improved crit Short Sword.

Since in DDO they "mixed" them then improved crit slashing should work as would improved crit piercing.

[Silverjade]

The Sunblade is a Bastard Sword period: from the SRD.

Sun Blade

This sword is the size of a bastard sword. However, a sun blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use. (In other words, the weapon appears to all viewers to be a bastard sword, and deals bastard sword damage, but the wielder feels and reacts as if the weapon were a short sword.) Any individual able to use either a bastard sword or a short sword with proficiency is proficient in the use of a sun blade. Likewise, Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization in short sword and bastard sword apply equally, but the benefits of those feats do not stack.

The point is that improved crit Bastard Sword should work on a Sunblade as would improved crit Short Sword.

Since in DDO they "mixed" them then improved crit slashing should work as would improved crit piercing.

Yes but id think that perhaps the code will not work right like that so that the type of weapon was shortsword to remove the problems with code and to not screw dex/no porfs from using it.

[Laith]

known issue, odds are it will NEVER be typed as both a shortsword AND a bastard sword.

Most people would be happy if it just worked as slashing though. unfortunately, the sunblade is "old tech" and was created before they had items that granted proficiencies/feats.


Er, IC: Piercing does work on the sunblade. Yes, this is a bug, but it's pretty low on the priority list, so don't expect it to be fixed anytime soon (IC: Slashing is actually IC: Bastardsword/Battleaxe/Dwarvenwarxe/Falchion..., and for this purpose the sunblade registers as a shortsword, so falls into IC:Piercing)

[DagazUlf]

I've had this bug submitted since the first month of the game, and they're obviously not going to fix it. Yet another one of the countless little things that really adds up and detracts from my overall view of the development efforts around here. :mad:

[Club'in]

known issue, odds are it will NEVER be typed as both a shortsword AND a bastard sword.

Most people would be happy if it just worked as slashing though. unfortunately, the sunblade is "old tech" and was created before they had items that granted proficiencies/feats.

Agreed. This is not what we want the devs spending time on (fix my fighter tactical enhancements, $%^*$&#@!). So, consensus seems to be that it will be enhanced by Improved Crit: Piercing. Let's leave it at that...

[Tat2Freak]

Er, IC: Piercing does work on the sunblade. Yes, this is a bug, but it's pretty low on the priority list, so don't expect it to be fixed anytime soon (IC: Slashing is actually IC: Bastardsword/Battleaxe/Dwarvenwarxe/Falchion..., and for this purpose the sunblade registers as a shortsword, so falls into IC:Piercing)

:)

[Darth_Sizzle]

known issue, odds are it will NEVER be typed as both a shortsword AND a bastard sword.

Most people would be happy if it just worked as slashing though. unfortunately, the sunblade is "old tech" and was created before they had items that granted proficiencies/feats.

I think most people should be happy that it's still considered piercing. Considering the primary benefit of this weapon lends itself to piercing spec'd characters.

[Vivanto]

Personally I don't really see what's the so big prob with the sunblade. Yes it is slashing, yes IC slash dosen't work but IC pierce does.

But, it is mainly an undead killer weapon, and you can't crit undeads... so what's the big deal then? :)

[ShadowDog]

I feel this speaks to the frustration of the players vs devs.

Without knowing the fine grained mechanics of the game. If I choose to take the imp crit:slashing feat ... i would assume that it would apply to the damage type versus the weapon. I am not taking imp crit:longsword, or imp crit:rapier.

If the devs designed the Improved Critical:<damage type> to only reflect certain weapons ... wouldn't it be nice if the devs took an extra 5 secs of coding time to explain that in the details of the feat.

That would avoid a lot of the confusion and frustration from the customers ...

Just my 2 copper ...

[~Bandage]

Question: Why worry about improved crit on a weapon designed for fighting undead, which are immune to crits?

[Emili]

Fact is also it's a level 6 item and as such is outgrown by most characters quickly.

[GORAK]

Try using a Sunblade on skeletons for an extended time and checkout your repair costs and permanent damage. It will make you think twice about it's practical value in the long run. A Sunblade is primarily a weapon for a pure thief or bard as they get 1d10 bastard sword damage for a weapon they ordinarily could not use. A thief dual wielding Sunblades can do some nasty backstab dps.

[wamjratl1]

Personally I don't really see what's the so big prob with the sunblade. Yes it is slashing, yes IC slash dosen't work but IC pierce does.

But, it is mainly an undead killer weapon, and you can't crit undeads... so what's the big deal then? :)

HA! Hadn't thought about that... excellent point, as yes, I only use my sunblade against undead and am piercing specced...

[SamSneak]

The real rub is that I had been looking for sun swords for a lOOOOOOOONg time. When i got two recently I immediately bound them so that they wouldn't take damage....of course I had IC slash because of all the other weapons I have and since the description of the sunsword says slashing.....

anyways the joke I guess was on me.

[Inspire]

The real rub is that I had been looking for sun swords for a lOOOOOOOONg time. When i got two recently I immediately bound them so that they wouldn't take damage....of course I had IC slash because of all the other weapons I have and since the description of the sunsword says slashing.....

anyways the joke I guess was on me.

Since you cannot Crit. undead, why do you really need a +2(+4 vs. evil) weapon Ml;6?

[Inspire]

A thief dual wielding Sunblades can do some nasty backstab dps.

Against undead?

[GlassCannon]

Against undead?

Yes. ;)

[Junts]

our bastard sword was just typed as a shortsword because the game doesn't support the 'either proficiency' thing and there isn't a class they expected had any chance of taking the bastard sword feat that didn't already get shortswords (since all all-martial users have it, plus bards and rogues, the only people unproficient in shortswords are sorcs and wizards and clerics, and I guess they expected none of those would ever take bastard sword without also splashing a class with some kind of martial proficiencies.

its a reasonable workaround, but silly with imp crit (which is by type)

personally, i don't think sunblades are that good, for damage's sake they are roughly comparable to a greater bane (little higher min, lower max in their extra damage), but don't break dr against most undead fought at that level and don't do much else special.

Mine gets used almost exclusively for delera's on toons that I haven't bothered to find a good holy mace for, but said mace/hammers are vastly superior.

except for the to-hit bonus difference, a +2 holy warhammer/heavymace/etc ml 6 is superior in every way to the 90 times rarer sunblade, which is best for rogues and bards for the extra to-hit, but is low enough level that they aren't far behind yet.

[Jay203]

The real rub is that I had been looking for sun swords for a lOOOOOOOONg time. When i got two recently I immediately bound them so that they wouldn't take damage....of course I had IC slash because of all the other weapons I have and since the description of the sunsword says slashing.....

anyways the joke I guess was on me.

heh, so the persistance was due to the fact that YOU bound the sunblades to yourself without checking it out first
so now YOU want to change it so you'll end up didn't screw yourself over, gotcha~!
oh, and fyi, it really doesn't matter what Sunblade is like in SRD originally, the devs can make any changes they want to fit it into the game, just think how many different things we have on DDO that's DIFFERENT from the PnP style >_______>

[SamSneak]

Actually i read the description and since it SAID slash I had no reason to doubt it. Since the description of the weapon in pnp and online says it is a bastard sword I also had no reason to doubt it.

again the joke is on me....

but again this lack of QA is endemic to a bigger problem.

[Ghost_Aeon]

Heh i copy pasted that from the loot list but yes it is a bastard sword and i do beilve it does do slashing but its set up as a shortsword if you look at that SC it says sunblade shortsword (light).

from the basics its a short sword that does 1d10 slashing not 1d6 p.

The problem is, the Sun Blade is a bastard sword that lets you use any feats you have to augment shortswords (weapon focus and specialization, for example) instead fo only feats that effect bastard swords. In addition, you are proficient with it so long as you are proficient with either the shortsword or bastard sword.

Because of the mechanics of DDO, where weapon focus and specialization is by type (slashing, piercing, et cetra) making it a "shortsword" that does slashing damage is the easy fix, but, IMO, weapon focus, specialization, and improved critical piercing should also enhance the Sun Blade (just make sure both sets of feats don't boost it simultaniously).

[Junts]

Sunblades are misleading because they do slashing -damage- but are governed by ic:piercing

[Angelus_dead]

but again this lack of QA is endemic to a bigger problem.
Sunsword is not a "lack of QA".

It is a correct prioritization that crit rates from a rare, weak, anti-undead weapon do not matter. And, to the extent that any character cares about them, he is more likely to be pierce than slash.