Buy Back feature will be temporarily unavailable

[Tolero]

The Buy Back feature has been temporarily disabled and will be unavailable beginning on Thursday, November 13th at 6:00 PM EST (-5 GMT). Until it returns, be extra careful when selling your items, because you will be unable to use Buy Back if you sell something by mistake!

[KoboldKiller]

Reason?

[MrCow]

People were probably buying then reselling Hireling Contracts so that they could use them via the Buy Back feature.

[Tolero]

It's actually unrelated to Hirelings. We're investigating some game performance issues around the buy back system.

[Gratch]

Heh... hadn't thought of that.

I was hoping taking buyback offline might fix the current lag you can get when selling even with low pop.

[Inkblack]

Reason?

My wild guess...

You sell something.
The item doesn't disappear while the game writes what you sold somewhere.
There is a lot of writing going on, so you have to wait.
You get frustrated. I know I do.
You close the window, and initiate the transaction again.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

Voila, lag.

[swooshrp]

I think it's related to the ability to make profit off the buyback process. Don't know how its done, but I have heard people talking about it.

[cdbd3rd]

I think it's related to the ability to make profit off the buyback process. Don't know how its done, but I have heard people talking about it.


I had wondered about something along that line - hadn't tried it yet. Guess I won't, now. . . .

[WeaselKing]

The Buy Back feature has been temporarily disabled and will be unavailable beginning on Thursday, November 13th at 6:00 PM EST (-5 GMT). Until it returns, be extra careful when selling your items, because you will be unable to use Buy Back if you sell something by mistake!

Buy back feature? Whats that? Oh you mean the new bank.

[Rav'n]

Buy back feature? Whats that? Oh you mean the new bank.

No... it's "Ye Ole Pawn SHop"

[Turial]

My wild guess...

You sell something.
The item doesn't disappear while the game writes what you sold somewhere.
There is a lot of writing going on, so you have to wait.
You get frustrated. I know I do.
You close the window, and initiate the transaction again.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

Voila, lag.

Or infinite gold depending on how the transaction system works when lagged.

[cdbd3rd]

Well, actually, since it's already been turned off I guess I can explain what I was thinking.

If you sell something while buffed you sell for an inflated price. If you buy it back without those buffs, do you buy it back at the normal price?

Inflated sell, normal buyback, repeat ad infinitum....


Am I close?

:confused:

[swooshrp]

:rolleyes:

[ShadowFox1978]

Well, actually, since it's already been turned off I guess I can explain what I was thinking.

If you sell something while buffed you sell for an inflated price. If you buy it back without those buffs, do you buy it back at the normal price?

Inflated sell, normal buyback, repeat ad infinitum....


Am I close?

:confused:

It doesn't work. If you sell something without your haggle gear on, you can buy it back at the price you sold it, buff up your haggle and sell at the higher price. Buyback is only affected if you did not originally put your haggle items on while selling.

[sblmike]

Buy back is a great feature and should come back.

[QuantumFX]

It could be something as simple as fixing the fact that bound items take forever to remove from your buyback list.

[muffinlad]

A) It takes 5-10 seconds to navigate from page 1 to page 2, to page 3, etc. This makes it seem clunky and klugey.

B) When selling at vedors that will allow buy back, the selling process can take 20 to 30 seconds, and can cause items to remain in your window as the data base draws the conection points to the buy back database.

C) The items which are supposed to be 24 hours and then "imminate" in terms of selling seem to remain in your buy back list and do not leave.

Selling at one vendor, and then running to a House K vendor or House D vendor, buying your stuff back and reselling it seems an unintended advantage, but not that big of a deal. You are not making any money (as you could have sold it to that vendor in the first place), you are saving space in your transportation and that is about it.

muffinseller

[Retsam]

BTW how you do that:

sell all your weapons at a normal vendor with no haggle items on, then goto the pawn shop buy them back, throw on a +15 haggle item, and sell them to him.

Not only will you get a bonus for selling them to the pawnshop but with the haggle item you get just an extra little boost too.

That way you don't carry the weapons around, they sit in your buy back till you feel like going to the pawn shop to sell them.


Retsam

[Melthus]

BTW how you do that:

sell all your weapons at a normal vendor with no haggle items on, then goto the pawn shop buy them back, throw on a +15 haggle item, and sell them to him.

Not only will you get a bonus for selling them to the pawnshop but with the haggle item you get just an extra little boost too.

That way you don't carry the weapons around, they sit in your buy back till you feel like going to the pawn shop to sell them.


Retsam

I suspect this is what was causing the problem. I had noticed that you could do this, and it was a real time saver between quests to just dump everything on the nearest bartender, then buy it back at the broker when you had some free time. The extra inventory space was nice, but I suspect they didn't really want it to work that way. The massive amounts of stuff being sold, rebought and resold probably were slowign things down.

[liamfrancais]

Will this wipe out what we had in the buyback menu before it was disabled? If so PFFFFT to you for no warning. Yes you can sell stuff in the refuge later go to house D buy it back and sell for a higher price it is a nifty little feature for the backpack challenged.

[Zenako]

There is another issue at times. Many items will be sold at the "normal" price you get for them, but when looking at the buyback price they now appear at full retail.

So for example, sell a Wand worth 10,000 gold to the barkeep for 2,000 gold (he gave you 20%). Most of the time it is available for the 2,000 gold buyback, but on some occasions it will appear with a 10,000 gold buyback price. This happens with all sorts of items, potions, gems, jewelry, scrolls, etc. It only happens sometimes, not all, and perhaps this is part of the issues as well.


I also suspect there is some timeout issues as well, since the original intent was to leave things in the temporary buyback stack for only a short time, not forever. I had been surprised to see some low level bound items still showing up a long time after I had sold them to clear some room. My stacks tend to be fairly short, since I move almost everything I am selling to my Bard to sell at Brokers who do not support the Buyback lists, but I could see some players who sell to barkeeps all the time building up HUGE lists of items in those temp files, which would obviously add to the data size for tracking each character, with no current limits. Could easily see some characters who only sell to barkeeps ending up with lists on the buyback being hundreds and hundreds of items long.

[liamfrancais]

I have not experienced that but have noticed that if say you want to free up some space for an item and discard another or leave something in a chest it will be in your buyback for full retail value.

[query]

While it LISTS the full potential retail price, you pay for it what you sold it. I confirmed this many times (especially with the said wand issue when mousing over, seeing the original price.) select as a buy back and you pay no more.

It just bothers me that I sold some stuff ONE DAY before the disabling due to forced overflow now don't even have the OPTION of getting them back.


Oh, another problem noted: items sold did NOT show in buyback after a while. Sometimes until the imminent timeline. That may be another lag contributor as the ton of stuff shown and in "overflow" [5 page max] was trying to be accessed.

[Amabel]

Have you fixed it so flagging items for Sorjek don't get sold as "gems" anymore?

[query]

Since the last patch; confirmed in the release notes and on DDOCast.


Have you fixed it so flagging items for Sorjek don't get sold as "gems" anymore?