Xorian Cipher is now "soloable"

[MrCow]

With the new hirelings Xorian Cipher can now be done as the sole player character of a group. The hirelings are capable of getting that accursed lever that has tormented us soloers for so long. Also, this means you can do solo runs for Planar Girds now.

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[Amabel]

With the new hirelings Xorian Cipher can now be done as the sole player character of a group. The hirelings are capable of getting that accursed lever that has tormented us soloers for so long. Also, this means you can do solo runs for Planar Girds now.

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Dual box my friend. Folks have been "soloing" Xorian for a long, long time. Good to know the halflings can help too. I mean hirelings. What's the difference anyway?

[MrCow]

What's the difference anyway?

Only one account is needed. ;)

[Jesen]

Don't you need 4 people to stand on the rune switches?
Or do they stay lit up once you step on them once?



-Jesen

[Ghoste]

Don't you need 4 people to stand on the rune switches?
Or do they stay lit up once you step on them once?



-Jesen
Lead a monster to the switch, flesh to stone.

[Jesen]

Lead a monster to the switch, flesh to stone.

Ah, very nice. Didn't even consider that.



-Jesen

[MrCow]

Don't you need 4 people to stand on the rune switches?
Or do they stay lit up once you step on them once?

Due to what spells I had off hand I made the named scorrow dance on one of the eastern floor tiles, told the hireling to "Stand Your Ground" on the other eastern tile, ran to the western side, got a drow to dance on one of the western tiles, and I stood on the remaining western floor tile to have all four with a paperweight of some kind on them.

You still have to do a few tricks if you are alone to get the 4 pressure plates on the floor to light up all at once.

[Lithic]

Due to what spells I had off hand I made the named scorrow dance on one of the eastern floor tiles, told the hireling to "Stand Your Ground" on the other eastern tile, ran to the western side, got a drow to dance on one of the western tiles, and I stood on the remaining western floor tile to have all four with a paperweight of some kind on them.

You still have to do a few tricks if you are alone to get the 4 pressure plates on the floor to light up all at once.

I wonder... Now that collectable bags stick around forever, would those work on the pressure plates?

Edit: Do hirelings soul stones dissapear when you dismiss them? If not, couldnt you summon one, get it killed, take stone, dismiss him, summon a second, get it killed, take stone, dismiss, and then use the 3rd to hit a plate and the switch, and drop a stone on the other ones you need?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I wonder... Now that collectable bags stick around forever, would those work on the pressure plates?

Edit: Do hirelings soul stones dissapear when you dismiss them? If not, couldnt you summon one, get it killed, take stone, dismiss him, summon a second, get it killed, take stone, dismiss, and then use the 3rd to hit a plate and the switch, and drop a stone on the other ones you need?

You can only summon one hireling per rest

[parvo]

Last time I was in there, I thought about pulling the lever and using Dimension Door. I guess that doesn't work or you would have noted it...

[kaidendager]

Last time I was in there, I thought about pulling the lever and using Dimension Door. I guess that doesn't work or you would have noted it...

Unfortunately not. You are locked in from the other side, hence why party wipes are permanent at this point.

To the original idea I say "Woot!" Another quest falls to the solo artists.

[Mhykke]

Haven't played w/ hirelings all that much.

How do you get them to use a lever in a different room?

[Emili]

Last time I was in there, I thought about pulling the lever and using Dimension Door. I guess that doesn't work or you would have noted it...


No the barrier goes up b4 that... typically flesh to stone or if you're quick you can kill them on the pressure plates and run like heck to the next.

[Phidius]

With the new hirelings Xorian Cipher can now be done as the sole player character of a group. The hirelings are capable of getting that accursed lever that has tormented us soloers for so long. Also, this means you can do solo runs for Planar Girds now.



Thanks, MrCow! I haven't been able to play with hirelings yet, but I've been wondering how they would do in the Cipher. Specifically, about whether I'd have to charm the mob after stoning them on the pedestal to keep my hireling from running over to kill them :)

I'm guessing that you can target the lever through the bars in the upper room to get your hireling to pull it?

[Durack]

yup and put them work in pop as well..

8)

viva la hirelings
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[MrCow]

How do you get them to use a lever in a different room?


Get Hireling on eastern wing and yourself on the western wing.
Trigger 4 floor switches.
Go up to the window-force-barrier on the western wing and target the lever (tab/backspace/whatever targetting).
Tell your hireling to use the device.

[maddmatt70]

Only one account is needed. ;)

So what is your point you are still basically dual boxing. Hirelings can actually win dungeons by themselves. We tested some different features of hirelings and one place where hirelings are effective is by shrines. If you can kite all the mobs to a shrine where the caster hireling is and have that hireling keep raising itself and casting spells it is a matter of time before everything is dead. Hirelings appear to not have death penalties and to have endless supplies of pots.

[MrCow]

So what is your point you are still basically dual boxing.

*Face-palms self to forehead*

[Missing_Minds]

*Face-palms self to forehead*

So... if you fall over, or we give you a hint, is that still considered cow tipping?

[Junts]

cow: i would be very interested in knowing the success rate of fts cast from scrolls in xorian cipher on normal. the spell is level 6, so its a 40 umd, correct?

I don't have a caster, wondering if I can umd my way to solo gird runs or not.

[MrCow]

i would be very interested in knowing the success rate of fts cast from scrolls in xorian cipher on normal.

I would answer this question, but I can't because:


I don't know the fortitude saves of the critters inside.
I never got the Spell Resistance of the Drow inside.


However, I'd imagine it would be fairly easy to land a DC 16 Flesh to Stone on most of the stuff in here if you hit them with a curse or took some of their CON down before trying to turn them into statues.

[Junts]

My cursespewing club of shattermantle may be just the trick.

This probably has to wait until the rest of my crafting is done (won't umd the scrolls well enough til then) but it would be interesting to pull this off with a pal/fighter hybrid.

[suitepotato]

So can Delara's part 2 be solo'd as well then?

[MrCow]

So can Delara's part 2 be solo'd as well then?

Yes.

[rimble]

Does Weakening/Enfeebling (0 Strength) make things immobile? You could Strength drain them on the buttons maybe...? Use Precision or something maybe so you're not hitting them too hard, hehe.

[Pfamily]

Lead a monster to the switch, flesh to stone.
Glad hirelings are proving to have some worth.

Didn't Ghoste post a video on soloing this on You Tube some time back?

[MrCow]

Does Weakening/Enfeebling (0 Strength) make things immobile?

Monsters are still mobile when they have 0 in a stat (other than CON).


Didn't Ghoste post a video on soloing this on You Tube some time back?

Ghoste showed that the 4 pressure plates could be done alone using Create Undead and Halt Undead.

Ghoste did not show that the lever on the eastern side (lower side) could be pulled alone while having the puzzle solved on the western side (upper side).

[Pfamily]

Ghoste showed that the 4 pressure plates could be done alone using Create Undead and Halt Undead.

Ghoste did not show that the lever on the eastern side (lower side) could be pulled alone while having the puzzle solved on the western side (upper side).

I stand corrected.

[Seneca_Windforge]

I would answer this question, but I can't because:


I don't know the fortitude saves of the critters inside.
I never got the Spell Resistance of the Drow inside.


However, I'd imagine it would be fairly easy to land a DC 16 Flesh to Stone on most of the stuff in here if you hit them with a curse or took some of their CON down before trying to turn them into statues.

Shouldn't that be DC 19? It might be changed for DDO, but in PnP the minimum ability score to cast the spell is also factored into the scroll's save DC (so in this case, Int 16 gives +3 more for 19 total).

...or at least I'm pretty sure. It's been awhile since I've played 3.5.

[MrCow]

Shouldn't that be DC 19? It might be changed for DDO, but in PnP the minimum ability score to cast the spell is also factored into the scroll's save DC (so in this case, Int 16 gives +3 more for 19 total).

...or at least I'm pretty sure. It's been awhile since I've played 3.5.

Alas, DDO does not do that. Scroll Difficulty Checks are based off of the spell level and spell focuses (the Spell Focus feats and Spell Focus items work on clickable item effects, I never actually tested it on scrolls... so that is an assumption).

On way to find this out is with a scroll of knock (which has its own unique DC of Caster Level + Casting Stat + 1d20 roll). Knock cast from a scroll has a base DC of 3, which is the exact same as its Caster Level. If it factored in the minimum INT required to cast it then it would be a base DC 4 scroll.