Least accomplished level 16 in DDO?

[Draccus]

Last night, I got my fourth rank in level 15 and am very close to hitting 16 for the first time. I think I may be the least accomplished level 16 character in the history of DDO.

In a few short quests, I will be a level 16 pure rogue assassin with the following credentials:

- I have only run one raid, Hound of Xoriat, one time. I am flagged for one other raid, The Shroud, but haven't run it.
- I haven't seen a dragon, let alone killed one.
- I haven't hit 1200 favor yet. I thought you hit 1750 favor naturally in the process of leveling to 16 but I'm not even close.
- I have pulled one +2 tome but it was for the one stat of six I do not need to increase (Wisdom).
- I have never pulled a weapon or armor set that was better than what I was wearing or using. Everything I use was purchased from the AH.
- I haven't completed or even entered, the following popular quests at all: The Pit, Threnal, Demon Queen, Ghola-Fan, Gianthold Tor, Stormcleave Outpost, "Tomb" series' in Necropolis.

So how'd I end up at level 15.85 and have accomplished so little? Since level 12, I have spent a large amount of time soloing slayer areas when I can't get a guild group so that explains some of it but is it normal to be this close to the cap having done so little?

[Verlock]

My Battle Cleric was close too that little when i hit 16. but then i wen't back and did every thing elite, I had a friend i was rolling with we would 2 man the slayers. and did co6 2 man a few times,

[Noctus]

Try puging.

P.S.
Theonly real popular quests you mentioned are Stromcleave and GH Tor.

[Verlock]

But then again. why i didn't have them done was. i had him capped in 2 weeks or less. i just farmed deleras and crucible

[Timjc86]

If this is your first character to even get close to 16 then I would think that is fairly normal. Maybe it's not normal, but it's very similar to my first almost-16 :o

I don't think he's done a single raid, and probably isn't flagged for any either (maybe VoN, maybe not).

I started the grind to 1750 favor when I realized he was sucky beyond all help and I wanted to make a new character. At level 15 it took me about 2 1/2 weeks to get to 1750 (I don't remember where I started, but I was a long ways off).

[Beherit_Baphomar]

- I haven't completed or even entered, the following popular quests at all: The Pit, Threnal, Demon Queen, Ghola-Fan, Gianthold Tor, Stormcleave Outpost, "Tomb" series' in Necropolis.

The Pit is far, far from popular. Threnal is not as popular as it once was, but it has some great XP. Ghola-fan is ran once, for Titan flaggin then never ran again. Tor people dont run as much, used to run for scales, now the arent as in demand as they once were. Still ran for Reaver flaggin though. Stormcleave?!?!?! You've never ran SC?!?! And well, the Tombs series are just a freakin mess, never, ever ran unless for favor...

I assume you PuG a lot...

[Vivanto]

From your description I assume you are a bit more of a casual player, hence it took a bit longer to reach 16.
For a powergamer - or dosen't even need that just know quests a bit more - capping a character takes 1-2 weeks by only running the popular xp quests.
As that it is possible to have only some small favour, actually it is more grind to reach 1750 than to reach cap.

Personally I always include slayer/explorer/rare areas during lvling, orchard got a potential of 40k exp, menechtarum sands about 25k, gianthold 30k, vale 40k...

[DoctorWhofan]

Last night, I got my fourth rank in level 15 and am very close to hitting 16 for the first time. I think I may be the least accomplished level 16 character in the history of DDO.

In a few short quests, I will be a level 16 pure rogue assassin with the following credentials:

- I have only run one raid, Hound of Xoriat, one time. I am flagged for one other raid, The Shroud, but haven't run it.
- I haven't seen a dragon, let alone killed one.
- I haven't hit 1200 favor yet. I thought you hit 1750 favor naturally in the process of leveling to 16 but I'm not even close.
- I have pulled one +2 tome but it was for the one stat of six I do not need to increase (Wisdom).
- I have never pulled a weapon or armor set that was better than what I was wearing or using. Everything I use was purchased from the AH.
- I haven't completed or even entered, the following popular quests at all: The Pit, Threnal, Demon Queen, Ghola-Fan, Gianthold Tor, Stormcleave Outpost, "Tomb" series' in Necropolis.

So how'd I end up at level 15.85 and have accomplished so little? Since level 12, I have spent a large amount of time soloing slayer areas when I can't get a guild group so that explains some of it but is it normal to be this close to the cap having done so little?

How many explorer/slayers have you done? TS isn't on your list, neither is alot ofthe GH quest. Or Korromar. DEsert and it's quests? How about the Restless Isles? Did you do VoN2? All of these are big ticket XP quests.

You miss the a big XP and a fun quest in Stormcleave. Gianthold tor, when you are flagged, is fun and has 3 dragons in it.

As someone else said: Go PuG. You have missed most of Stormreach and have obviously never met any other players in the game, besides guildies. Meet some new people, do new quests and have fun.

[ArkoHighStar]

The Pit is far, far from popular. Threnal is not as popular as it once was, but it has some great XP. Ghola-fan is ran once, for Titan flaggin then never ran again. Tor people dont run as much, used to run for scales, now the arent as in demand as they once were. Still ran for Reaver flaggin though. Stormcleave?!?!?! You've never ran SC?!?! And well, the Tombs series are just a freakin mess, never, ever ran unless for favor...

I assume you PuG a lot...

actually ghola fan is run for royal guard masks which are now more valuable than ever since meridia has been added to the teleport list

[Goldeneye]

Stormcleave, never done storm cleave?


I thought you hit 1750 favor naturally in the process of leveling to 16
lol - when I hit 16 I didn't even have 500 favor. I wet straight for the exp, none of the other nonsense. Then once I was capped, I went for favor.

[wamjratl1]

I was close to being in the same boat not that long ago and decided it was time to get my raid on. And "least accomplished" means squat. I bet you have fun playing and I'm guessing raiding isn't that big a deal to you. Goes to show that there's room enough in this game for all kinds of players (except the ones with the most time to play who can get tired of doing the same stuff over and over... we need more content).

Anywho the only thing that really surprises me is that you have never done Stormcleave!! Always one of my favorite quests and very popular for the xp and loot potential! Level a new toon and do Stormcleave immediately! it's fun! And go for conquest! Just cuz it's fun to cloudkill and fog that ramp and watch minotaurs sizzle and die before they can hit anybody! DO IT!

But you may have trouble getting your favor on a rogue so get some guildies to blast through some elite content with you. Actually there's usually favor lfm's up and they are a good way to meet folks without having to work too hard on the quest since it's often much lower-level stuff you are doing.

[VirieSquichie]

Last night, I got my fourth rank in level 15 and am very close to hitting 16 for the first time. I think I may be the least accomplished level 16 character in the history of DDO.

In a few short quests, I will be a level 16 pure rogue assassin with the following credentials:

- I have only run one raid, Hound of Xoriat, one time. I am flagged for one other raid, The Shroud, but haven't run it.
- I haven't seen a dragon, let alone killed one.
- I haven't hit 1200 favor yet. I thought you hit 1750 favor naturally in the process of leveling to 16 but I'm not even close.
- I have pulled one +2 tome but it was for the one stat of six I do not need to increase (Wisdom).
- I have never pulled a weapon or armor set that was better than what I was wearing or using. Everything I use was purchased from the AH.
- I haven't completed or even entered, the following popular quests at all: The Pit, Threnal, Demon Queen, Ghola-Fan, Gianthold Tor, Stormcleave Outpost, "Tomb" series' in Necropolis.

So how'd I end up at level 15.85 and have accomplished so little? Since level 12, I have spent a large amount of time soloing slayer areas when I can't get a guild group so that explains some of it but is it normal to be this close to the cap having done so little?

Favor accumulation requires doing a lot of stuff on elite, and nearly everything on hard. For a first time character, normal is much harder than the old guard here remembers. I'm not surprised you don't have that much favor. Go back and do all the level 10 or less stuff on elite with a couple of your buddies, heck, solo the harbor on elite just for fun. You'll find that you can hit 1500+ favor without really straining your comfort zone if you do most of the lower level quests on elite. Another thing - the raids and the quests to flag for the raids are worth a ton of favor.

I'd really recommend doing Stormcleave a few times, just because it's a fun quest. Tempest Spine also. Get flagged for the Vault of Night and then do that at least once, it's worth it for the (player) experience whether the character needs it or not.

Congrats on getting a character to cap. I don't know how many I went through before I actually capped one.

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

Last night, I got my fourth rank in level 15 and am very close to hitting 16 for the first time. I think I may be the least accomplished level 16 character in the history of DDO.

In a few short quests, I will be a level 16 pure rogue assassin with the following credentials:

- I have only run one raid, Hound of Xoriat, one time. I am flagged for one other raid, The Shroud, but haven't run it.
- I haven't seen a dragon, let alone killed one.
- I haven't hit 1200 favor yet. I thought you hit 1750 favor naturally in the process of leveling to 16 but I'm not even close.
- I have pulled one +2 tome but it was for the one stat of six I do not need to increase (Wisdom).
- I have never pulled a weapon or armor set that was better than what I was wearing or using. Everything I use was purchased from the AH.
- I haven't completed or even entered, the following popular quests at all: The Pit, Threnal, Demon Queen, Ghola-Fan, Gianthold Tor, Stormcleave Outpost, "Tomb" series' in Necropolis.

So how'd I end up at level 15.85 and have accomplished so little? Since level 12, I have spent a large amount of time soloing slayer areas when I can't get a guild group so that explains some of it but is it normal to be this close to the cap having done so little?

My 16 fighter hit 16 with just under 800 favor. I did not power level. I did not grind any xp quests. I just made no effort to get favor on the way to 16.

[Zuldar]

The Pit is far, far from popular. Threnal is not as popular as it once was, but it has some great XP. Ghola-fan is ran once, for Titan flaggin then never ran again. Tor people dont run as much, used to run for scales, now the arent as in demand as they once were. Still ran for Reaver flaggin though. Stormcleave?!?!?! You've never ran SC?!?! And well, the Tombs series are just a freakin mess, never, ever ran unless for favor...

I assume you PuG a lot...

It's a shame that the pit is so unpopular. It's much easier then stormcleave and worth almost twice the amount of xp.

[Phidius]

It's a shame that the pit is so unpopular. It's much easier then stormcleave and worth almost twice the amount of xp.

Nah, not a shame at all... it just gives those of us who like it a chance to be the hero for those who hate running it :)

On a side note, anyone else notice that the chests and end-reward for the Pit have been beefed up a bit? It seems like the loot is now on par with the level of the quest.

[Blazer]

On a side note, anyone else notice that the chests and end-reward for the Pit have been beefed up a bit? It seems like the loot is now on par with the level of the quest.

Didn't notice the last time I was in there, at least for the end rewards. I skip all the chests sans Muckdoom anyway. I'm sure I'll be there once this weekend, I'll try and pay more attention. Might help get more people in there, but I doubt it.

[Logicman69]

I'm right there with you, Draccus. Grygor is halfway through level 15 and I haven't done much in the way of the "big name quests". I too, did alot of my exp from the slayer areas (and running Stormcleave and CO6 untill I can no longer get exp from them). The Desert is good for a couple levels alone. I just got flagged for the Shroud, ran it once, but we didn't complete (party wipe on the Pit Feind. That boy can HIT). The only other raids I have done were TS (3 maned with my guild, completed it on our first time in there. We went in for "fun" and ended up beating it) and VON (I HAD to see the dragon).

If you ever want to run with some players that take things at a little slower of a pace, just look for us, the "Fallen Sages". We are always looking for some more people to die with.. :-)
Catch us on most nights arround 9:30EST, we'll run till midnight or so.

[tihocan]

That's worth a post in the achievements section :D
If you leveled up in outdoor areas, don't be afraid your favor sucks. That's why I never run these areas myself, it's just a waste of time (IMHO) since I'll want to run the quests for favor anyway at some point.

[nr4b]

Last night, I got my fourth rank in level 15 and am very close to hitting 16 for the first time. I think I may be the least accomplished level 16 character in the history of DDO.

In a few short quests, I will be a level 16 pure rogue assassin with the following credentials:

- I have only run one raid, Hound of Xoriat, one time. I am flagged for one other raid, The Shroud, but haven't run it.
- I haven't seen a dragon, let alone killed one.
- I haven't hit 1200 favor yet. I thought you hit 1750 favor naturally in the process of leveling to 16 but I'm not even close.
- I have pulled one +2 tome but it was for the one stat of six I do not need to increase (Wisdom).
- I have never pulled a weapon or armor set that was better than what I was wearing or using. Everything I use was purchased from the AH.
- I haven't completed or even entered, the following popular quests at all: The Pit, Threnal, Demon Queen, Ghola-Fan, Gianthold Tor, Stormcleave Outpost, "Tomb" series' in Necropolis.

So how'd I end up at level 15.85 and have accomplished so little? Since level 12, I have spent a large amount of time soloing slayer areas when I can't get a guild group so that explains some of it but is it normal to be this close to the cap having done so little?

I just hit my first level 16 today, and I want to add my voice to those saying this is probably just about normal for us noobs. I had maybe 250 more favor than you (I mostly soloed to drow, and mostly PuG'd to 16), and now I'm favor grinding -- and it's rough. I've killed one dragon (but the other people in my group weren't very good at killing his giant friend), and twice I stood in a pile of eleven people casting haste and resist fire on someone else who killed a dragon (so not fun).

There's a thing that happens in this game where levels 8-12 go by so slowly, and then suddenly BOOM you're adding new enhancement points one after another. And then you look back and there are all these mid-level quests you've never done. All the unpopular quests happen to be in the same level range, and if you ask me it's a real problem.

But really I just waned to chime in by saying: You've never done Stormcleave?!? There's no quest in the game I've done so often. But it just occurred to me that you're a rogue, and that's the one major quest I can think of that doesn't have any traps -- just two locked chests that I've Knocked about 20 times each. Poor rogues.

[Draccus]

Hehe...glad to see I'm not alone.

I hit 16 on Tuesday night running Rainbow in the Dark (great quest). For what it's worth, not only have I never run Stormcleave, I also don't have a clue where it is. I don't even know what house it's in. I have started my first alt to run with a static group so maybe we'll run it soon.

As far as leveling speed, yes, 12-16 were wicked fast. Getting my assassination ability at 12 really helped as I could easily solo areas that used to wipe me out so there was a lot of "filler" time that was beneficial. But I'd say the main reason the last few levels go by so fast is Gianthold. I ran three quests in Gianthold (Madstone Crater, Prison of Planes, and Crucible) that gave me a TON of xp in one night. I was gaining ranks there faster than I was at level 1.

I'm kinda looking forward to going back and running some missed quests for favor. Without having to worry about XP, I can hopefully stealth past a lot of the encounters instead of worrying about ransack and conquer bonuses.

Still haven't run my second raid yet...I need a Large Horn from the Shroud to make my first greensteel item but I just can't time it right. I get shroud invites as soon as I join a guild group or am about to log off. Grrr.

[juniorpfactors]

when you have run 45 shrouds,30+ hounds 20+ visions .... and have total favor of 850ish....... talk to me...... thats 3 of my capped toons


jrp

[Thrudh]

My 16 fighter hit 16 with just under 800 favor. I did not power level. I did not grind any xp quests. I just made no effort to get favor on the way to 16.

My 14/2 cleric/monk had about 1400 favor when he made 16th level... And I made no effort to get favor either... I did most of the quests and quest chains on normal/hard/elite and then never again. Ran Tangleroot 3 times, Delaras 3 times, Stormcleave 3 times, etc.

You HAD to have repeated a bunch of quests for exp only instead of moving on to new quests, otherwise you would have more favor.

So, yeah, if you did any quest 4+ times, you were grinding xp quests...

[Thrudh]

My 14/2 cleric/monk had about 1400 favor when he made 16th level... And I made no effort to get favor either... I did most of the quests and quest chains on normal/hard/elite and then never again. Ran Tangleroot 3 times, Delaras 3 times, Stormcleave 3 times, etc.

You HAD to have repeated a bunch of quests for exp only instead of moving on to new quests, otherwise you would have more favor.

So, yeah, if you did any quest 4+ times, you were grinding xp quests...

Ah forgot about the explorer/slayer areas... I guess if one does a lot of those, you could get to 16 without a lot of favor.

[Deathseeker]

I just hit my first level 16 today, and I want to add my voice to those saying this is probably just about normal for us noobs. I had maybe 250 more favor than you (I mostly soloed to drow, and mostly PuG'd to 16), and now I'm favor grinding -- and it's rough. I've killed one dragon (but the other people in my group weren't very good at killing his giant friend), and twice I stood in a pile of eleven people casting haste and resist fire on someone else who killed a dragon (so not fun).

There's a thing that happens in this game where levels 8-12 go by so slowly, and then suddenly BOOM you're adding new enhancement points one after another. And then you look back and there are all these mid-level quests you've never done. All the unpopular quests happen to be in the same level range, and if you ask me it's a real problem.

But really I just waned to chime in by saying: You've never done Stormcleave?!? There's no quest in the game I've done so often. But it just occurred to me that you're a rogue, and that's the one major quest I can think of that doesn't have any traps -- just two locked chests that I've Knocked about 20 times each. Poor rogues.

This is the difference between the world of the forums, and the "real" world in-game. In the forums, it sounds like everyone dual wields Mineral II's and Deathnips, has done their 40th runs on every raid, and +2 tomes fall from the heavens like rain. In the "real" world in-game, new players who are leveling are lucky to have enough plat and gear to even fully equip with "normal" top end gear (like +6 items) let alone all the crafted and raid stuff. 1750 favor is still a grind to get the last 400 or so favor unless you are in a guild that opens everything for you on Elite.

Don't fret, don't feel different...I'd say you and the OP are much more "normal". After a few more capped toons and running them through the shroud a zillion times, you'll have a surplus of plat and excess gear that your newest reroll will take 3 weeks to cap, have all high end gear, and only have 800 favor at cap.

Enjoy the ride while you can, and don't feel you need to "rush" to cap or rush to run all the raids a tone...once you're capped and burn through all the content, you'll become a grizzled old grumpy veteran (like juniorp below)...scary thought...(just kidding jr)...

[nr4b]

This is the difference between the world of the forums, and the "real" world in-game. In the forums, it sounds like everyone dual wields Mineral II's and Deathnips, has done their 40th runs on every raid, and +2 tomes fall from the heavens like rain. In the "real" world in-game, new players who are leveling are lucky to have enough plat and gear to even fully equip with "normal" top end gear (like +6 items) let alone all the crafted and raid stuff. 1750 favor is still a grind to get the last 400 or so favor unless you are in a guild that opens everything for you on Elite.

Don't fret, don't feel different...I'd say you and the OP are much more "normal". After a few more capped toons and running them through the shroud a zillion times, you'll have a surplus of plat and excess gear that your newest reroll will take 3 weeks to cap, have all high end gear, and only have 800 favor at cap.


I appreciate this. And I'm aware of how rarefied the group of forum posters are. I come here a lot to find advice, and have learned to weed through posts along the lines of "Step one, eat six +2 tomes." I rarely feel gimped in a party. I'd love to have blue dragonscale robes and an exceptional bonus to my intelligence stat -- but in the meantime I do all right. And I do have a little stack of +1 tomes waiting on my 32-pointer.

[Indrn_Fretgoop]

my barbarian has run all the end game raids. Hound, Vod, shroud, both hound ansd vod on elite and he still has less than 1200 favor:eek:

[Vengenance]

My 28 pt build cleric, who is almost 3 years old now, has less than a 1000 total favor and he's been capped since about 1 month after the last level cap went up. All I pretty much use him for is guild only runs or raids, mostly shroud for ingredients. I have multiple other toons built with 1750 favor, but my oldest character, my only 28 pt build, is hovering around 1K favor.

[Melthus]

My cleric is level 12 with favor of about 1150. He's run every quest level 8 or below on normal or higher except for faithful departed, the sacred helm, proof is in the poison and the new Korthos ones.

I cannot imagine how hard it must have been to hit 1750 favor back when the level cap was 10. Was it even possible?

[adamr09]

eh not all that is too bad. you usually hit some of those on the way to lvl 16 but not always.

when i was zerg leveling my battle bard, he was about to lvl to 15 when i realised i didnt have a single silver flame favor :P

[Stealthbr]

Atleast you aren't like me who re-rolls every week -.- I also did not get my favor at cap and had to run some favor runs. The Pit is definetly a blast once you learn it. The raids are also very fun and add a new layer of excitement to the game.