Save Mythe

[phoenix13]

Hi,
For those that may not be aware of it we are in the midst of a very serious issue not only on khyber but on all worlds. On my home server of khyber we have a fairly famous character named Mythe who has dedicated her very existence to helping new players as they come into the game, however this has become problematic with the introduction of the new player area specifically the fact that those who have completed the island and gone to stormreach ( though they can return ) cannot interact with those who have not. Not knowing this untill it was too late mythe completed the island in order to get to her mailbox and was suddenly barred from helping those for whom it was her calling:( . Please devs don't force one of the most dedicated helpers into retirement:(

[Deadrick]

Mythe helped me out several times, and has always helped everyone whenever she was on. At least make a Mythe Key or something for Mythe to port back and forth. She's done more to help new players than anyone else in the game I know of.

Hah, give Mythe her very own door that she can use to go back and forth with, after the amount of time she's put in, she ought to get some kind of recognition.

[Lorichie]

My name is Rich and i Support this message...

/signed

R

[Strakeln]

Save Mythe!

[Qwijy]

QwijyMart will call in some favors on the coin lords if Turbine doesn't fix this! :mad::o

[Samadhi]

Perhaps I missed something, but is this implying that if a) I complete Korthos that b) I cannot interract with anyone still on Korthos EVEN IF I GO BACK THERE???

[Lorichie]

Perhaps I missed something, but is this implying that if a) I complete Korthos that b) I cannot interract with anyone still on Korthos EVEN IF I GO BACK THERE???

The way i understand it, if you complete Misery Peak, and leave the island, you can come back as you please, but you cannot group with anyone who has not completed Misery's Peak. I think thats whats being said. For Mythe and what she does, grouping with folks "fresh off the boat" to show them the ropes and such and help was essential. She cannot do so, until they complete the final mission. While she could help them once they hit the harbor, it is quite far removed from what she has been doing for so long.

Anyway, this is how i understand it.

R

[Lorichie]

In that case - that's ******** beyond belief - is this part of their supposed fixes for plat farmers??

I am unable to answer that question, however it could easily be for immersion as well. Whether or not i agree with either of those is a different topic.

R

[Samadhi]

In that case - that's ******** beyond belief - is this part of their supposed fixes for plat farmers??

[Talish]

wow.. umm just wow. Thanks for the support. Please keep your fingers crossed that a solution can be found for my little Mythe. In the meantime she is parked indefinitely on Khyber.

[ShadowFox1978]

Hello!!!!!

Turbine, fix this!!!

[Tat2Freak]

Ummm...make a new character?

[Arianrhod]

Ummm...make a new character?

"Make a new character" doesn't address Mythe's problem specifically. She could make a new character to give advice and help with the starter quests, but the main function of the newbie-helper character has been to distribute basic gear to new players (+1 weapons & armor, +3 skill items, PoP1, that sort of thing). Inability to access both the mailbox and the newest characters makes this function very difficult.

[Kreaper]

That wouldn't help. Mythe has all inventory slots and all bank slots to hold donation items for lowbies. She would also have to be rerolled every time she helped someone through Krothos.

[Quanefel]

I am sure new players will survive and handle the island of Korthos without all the good natured help from other players to make it through such a "tough" area as that. Besides, if they can not make it through Korthos without such help then there is not much hope for them inside Stormreach, now is there?

[xanvar]

Hopefully Turbine will figure this out. I doubt anyone thought of it while development was going on. I really doubt any of the play testers on mournlands would have had this problem as well. A perfect example of how impossible it is to predict all problems. Lucky they included all the cool new weapons and gear for the new people getting off the boat. I still admire Talish for devoting so much time to helping new people. Mythe could still help people run the harbor stuff like WW and Kobolds brothers. Since the game has grown perhaps a level 2 Mythe is just what the game needs now?

[Strakeln]

I am sure new players will survive and handle the island of Korthos without all the good natured help from other players to make it through such a "tough" area as that. Besides, if they can not make it through Korthos without such help then there is not much hope for them inside Stormreach, now is there?If you check out Mythe's post, she mentions that her personal experience from over two years of doing this is that contacting the players in the first 10-20 minutes is imperative.

It's not a matter of survival, it's a matter of getting people introduced to the community.

While I understand your intent, I suggest we rely on Mythe's experience... especially considering she has two years in helping newbs, compared to your and my collective 10 minutes ;)

[dmondave1]

Save Mythe!

/signed!

[cdbd3rd]

Hi,
For those that may not be aware of it we are in the midst of a very serious issue not only on khyber but on all worlds. On my home server of khyber we have a fairly famous character named Mythe who has dedicated her very existence to helping new players as they come into the game, however this has become problematic with the introduction of the new player area specifically the fact that those who have completed the island and gone to stormreach ( though they can return ) cannot interact with those who have not. Not knowing this untill it was too late mythe completed the island in order to get to her mailbox and was suddenly barred from helping those for whom it was her calling:( . Please devs don't force one of the most dedicated helpers into retirement:(


While the intro to the game has been modified to be very helpful to the newbs, nothing can ever replace the willingness of a vet to lend their voice/advice to a new player.

Addressing the twink gear side of it, however, the NPE has a very good selection of newb gear to nab. Anything better they need could be handed over after completing Korthos by the current Mythe, while a newly rerolled (Mythette...?) could remain stationed as pre-korthos to lend non-gear support.

Just a suggestion as a workaround to the current situation - until a fix is implemented. ;)

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I am sure new players will survive and handle the island of Korthos without all the good natured help from other players to make it through such a "tough" area as that. Besides, if they can not make it through Korthos without such help then there is not much hope for them inside Stormreach, now is there?

Yes that's it...if they are confused by their first 30 minutes then we don't need them in the game, let them quit.

Some people... :rolleyes:


In addition to this arrangement being unfriendly to new players, it also makes grouping harder. Every single time I put up an LFM on that island someone tries to join who can't because of the "on wrong part of the experience" message. This is brain dead and its a divertion from how the rest of the game works that makes no senese.

[Slink]

wow is right... not signed

[Talish]

Addressing the twink gear side of it, however, the NPE has a very good selection of newb gear to nab. Anything better they need could be handed over after completing Korthos by the current Mythe, while a newly rerolled (Mythette...?) could remain stationed as pre-korthos to lend non-gear support.

Just a suggestion as a workaround to the current situation - until a fix is implemented. ;)

Excellent idea for a work around. It's one I have already started to implement. It will require "Mythette" to reroll on a regular basis to get back to the beginning but it will work for now. It will limit my played chars somewhat though. Mythe already has a mule so 3 slots will be taken now. Thank goodness there are multiple servers.

May I request the use of the name you have come up with? It's excellent, I spent a lot of time last night trying to think of a name to tie the two characters together and Mythette is perfect, it even has a nice touch of humor.

I am also currently rethinking what items would best help new players once they reach the harbour. It seems consumables may be best and perhaps some sturdy armor. Ideas would be appreciated.

Also, the ideas here have been interesting but please I am no more special than anyone else in this game and expect NO special treatment. There are many many others who work just as hard at improving the community, giving advice, organizing events etc etc. There are also those who over the years have donated to Mythe. I may have given up a few char slots and time but they have given up what they earned playing the game without a second thought.

As I stated on another thread I do this for a somewhat selfish reason... I love this game and want to be able to continue playing it as long as possible therefore I recruit new players and help develop an interest in staying here within them for that reason.

Again thanks for all the goodwishes and suggestions. For now please use this thread to help me come up with ways to work around the issue or perhaps as a guilde to start your own "newbie helper"

Again thanks. You've brought a tear to this lady's eye and a warm fuzzy feeling. Ewww and all this from a combat game. LOL

[Skye]

/Signed

and thanks Mythe!!

[greystone306]

There's only so much AI can do..it's people like Mythe that fulfill some of the other missing parts of the New Player Experience.. and it's not as simple as rerolling every time miserys peak is done.... Hopefully the Devs Figure out a way to help Mythe and other experienced players that are interested in helping new players out with their questions and such..

[BlackSteel]

the NPE has a nice variety of loot for new players, flaming weapons, skill items for rogues, power items for casters, and rechargable sp items (missing big twink items like mithral plate and shields)

only thing I can think of would be to have one character on korthos who never completes, then another one for the harbor.

[VirieSquichie]

If Mythette doesn't actually stay in Misery's Peak to completion, she should be able to be functional for all new players indefinitely. Go in with them for the first 4/5ths of the dungeon, but just before the end room, recall out. For that matter, someone who's been helped in all the other NPE dungeons should be able to solo Misery's Peak at level 1 with no problem...on Solo, it's easy even for a level 1 sorc or wizard, and that's saying something.

Question...is it that people in Sunny Korthos can't see people in Snowy Korthos, or that they just can't group with them?

[~Bandage]

Question...is it that people in Sunny Korthos can't see people in Snowy Korthos, or that they just can't group with them?

You are not allowed to group with people who have not yet completed the quests and left the island if you have already done so.

I do not know if it also prevents using trade windows.

EDIT: On topic, I'm not sure if I agree with the changes... but I appreciate the effort people like Mythe put into making new players feel comfortable with the game. As far as giving gear goes, though, I don't think that's as necessary now, as the loot given on the lowbie quests on the island is not bad at all.

[Bekki]

Excellent idea for a work around. It's one I have already started to implement. It will require "Mythette" to reroll on a regular basis to get back to the beginning but it will work for now. It will limit my played chars somewhat though. Mythe already has a mule so 3 slots will be taken now. Thank goodness there are multiple servers.

May I request the use of the name you have come up with? It's excellent, I spent a lot of time last night trying to think of a name to tie the two characters together and Mythette is perfect, it even has a nice touch of humor.

I am also currently rethinking what items would best help new players once they reach the harbour. It seems consumables may be best and perhaps some sturdy armor. Ideas would be appreciated.

Also, the ideas here have been interesting but please I am no more special than anyone else in this game and expect NO special treatment. There are many many others who work just as hard at improving the community, giving advice, organizing events etc etc. There are also those who over the years have donated to Mythe. I may have given up a few char slots and time but they have given up what they earned playing the game without a second thought.

As I stated on another thread I do this for a somewhat selfish reason... I love this game and want to be able to continue playing it as long as possible therefore I recruit new players and help develop an interest in staying here within them for that reason.

Again thanks for all the goodwishes and suggestions. For now please use this thread to help me come up with ways to work around the issue or perhaps as a guilde to start your own "newbie helper"

Again thanks. You've brought a tear to this lady's eye and a warm fuzzy feeling. Ewww and all this from a combat game. LOL

Actually Talish IF you do NOT Do, the Misery Quest;

Then you would never Have to Re-roll Mythette.

It is Only AFTER you Unlock Misery, that you Move on to "Sunny" Korthos...

OR you could Take them as far as Talkng TO Lars Hylton (Does that last Name Sound "Familar" anyone? :D)

And Then Recall Out BEFORE They Finish out the Quest.

That way you could take them as far as absolutely possible BEFORE
having to Step away...

Unless you are Talking about the Very first Quest Which is Solo, any Way...

Does that Sound Okay to you?

/Signed

[cdbd3rd]

Question...is it that people in Sunny Korthos can't see people in Snowy Korthos, or that they just can't group with them?

Can't see them at all. KoboldKiller and I were standing on the same stairs -- I had been to Stormreach and back, he hadn't completed MP yet. We could guild chat of course,and exchange /tells, but was no other way to interact.



I do not know if it also prevents using trade windows.

Can't see, can't trade.

[Talish]

It's not as simple as just recalling out of Misery's peak. Here is a quote from another thread. If this is true I would have to have TOO many copies of Mythe/Mythette or constantly delete.

Originally Posted by Fetchi
I'm surprised a dev hasn't commented on this topic because a lot of people seem to be confused - as I was. I put in a ticket when I was unable to allow people to join my LFM and /invite wasn't working. I kept getting the (Error): You cannot group with this player at this time. (You are currently on a different stage of the Korthos Island experience.) message so I put a ticket in.

The GM replied with:

there are 3 stages to the new area:

If you have not completed the Tutorial - you cannot group with others who have

If you have completed the Tutorial you can group only with players who have completed the Tutorial and who have not completed The Collaborator

If you have completed The Collaborator you can only group with others who completed The Collaborator but not Misery's Peak

If you have completed Misery's Peak you cannot group with others who have not completed Misery's Peak

Hopefully this makes some sense. It's still a pain when trying to form groups for Korthos Island.

[Dymond]

I think what Mythe is doing is awesome, however I hope we can work out a solution that doesn't involve easy access to a mailbox in the NPE. I know what she/he is doing is above and beyond but I shudder at the thought of easy access to mailboxes again. Maybe the items could be sent to their account with a 'welcome to stormreach' message, so its waiting for them once they get off Korthos. I do have to agree with one poster though, Korthos isn't that difficult to do, especially with the decent items they are given.

[Talish]

Hmm let me explain a bit.

It's not that Korthos island is too hard or too easy. Here are some of the things I address regularily.

-learning how to use the interface
-how to trade
-how to use chat channels
-who panel
-patrons log
-how to set up voice chat
-mic not working
-how to group
-using quest log
-how to use action points
-movement controls
-customizing the interface
-how to select spells
-spell components
-soul stones (at one time Mythe would /death so the newcomer could see a soul stone and bring her to a rez shrine)
- etc etc etc you should get the idea from that partial list. Oh and recently I've been telling players running around in rags that armor is in their inventory both vets and newcomers alike. :D

I also give basic equipment, nothing game breaking all min lvl 1 and a bit of plat for consumables. Sure, many think it's not needed, just let these players start the same way we all did... except we don't play the same way any more. When I started playing this game everyone started on an even playing field. That's not true anymore.

People twink, I'm not saying that's wrong, it's just a fact. So for these new players to have a chance at keeping up with vets who are rerolling and running through quests, the equipment was a big bonus. They didn't feel as useless as some players I have heard complain. (I can't get to them all)

I also group with those that wish it and help them through their first few quests so they get the hang of things. These people are not dumb they just need information on how to play the game. The interface can be complex and for a new player there is a lot to learn especially if they have no knowledge of DnD. Also a lot of times people get frustrated trying to figure things out and they leave. Answering a few questions for them eases that.

An example, a well respected member of the Khyber (originally Riedra) joined the game a few months after launch. (and no I will not say who out of respect for his privacy) I was already helping players at that time and stumbled into him at the Wavecrest. He immediately began asking questions which I answered, I then took him through the Goodblades, just the two of us and taught him basic combat and casting (he was a cleric). Several months later he sent me a tell thanking me for helping him that first day. He let me know that that very help was what made him decide to stay and play the game. He then became Mythe's very first donator and asked me to continue what I was doing. He joined a founding guild and has become extremely well respected both among his guild and others who have travelled with him. This game has been so much more fun for many players because he stayed. The same goes for a lot of other players I convinced to give the game a try.

The new island makes it so I would have to give up at minimum 3 slots. possibly 4 That's a problem

1 for Mythe's mule, candy cane, cupcakes, cookies and hams are a real nice treat to give out and she has many from others donating them.

2 for Mythette to be at the very beginning for those who have completed the tutorial. This is the one who would have to be rerolled constantly to get back to this point. (see my previous post)

3 for Mythe to hand them some plat for consumables and a little bit of armor etc once they reach the harbor.

4 unknown until the different zones posted above are confimed.

That's 3 character slots gone. Dedicated to helping the game I love grow/maintain itself. How many of you already say there are not enough slots per server????

I would prefer loosing only two slots. If it comes to it and I have to permanently loose 3 char slots I will have to seriously rethink everything as to whether or not I will continue to do this.

So please don't think that I sit there and pass out all this "uber" equipment to everyone that comes my way. Don't think new players should automatically know how to play this game. Don't think that they are whining the new area is "too hard".

What they need is a warm welcome, some answers to their questions and a bit of a hand up.

I have helped hundreds of new players over the years. I am only asking that I be able to continue doing so in a way that doesn't penalize me for wanting to help out.

Is that too much to ask?

[phoenix13]

very well said, btw I started this thread not only to bring attention to Mythes plight but also for all the others who wish to follow the same path and help those in need.

[Bebopalula]

When I came into the game it was stumble, stumble, stumble, fall, fall - I still play.

When I make a new lowbie I have a toon from THIS account (my kids acct) to run all on elite. I had just rolled a new fighter - went through all the mumbo jumbo to elite (by myself) then got off the island. Hooked up with my level 5 bank toon (no weapons or anything on it - that is can use) put up LFM for running people out of the harbor on elite and off with it. Three man (sometimes five man) everything and shake hands as we leave harbor.

The stuff they give you on the island twinks you enough where you do not need hand me downs until level three or five anyway.

I do not understand the big deal, if you are going to quit over this - don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya.

[Geonis]

It is amazing how many people lack either reading comprehension or common courtesy (possibly both).

A player helps other players (not for a personal profit), out of their own time, with no reward, and you go bashing?!

Just another everyday DB I guess.......:confused:

Oh, and /signed

[Arianrhod]

When I came into the game it was stumble, stumble, stumble, fall, fall - I still play.

When I make a new lowbie I have a toon from THIS account (my kids acct) to run all on elite. I had just rolled a new fighter - went through all the mumbo jumbo to elite (by myself) then got off the island. Hooked up with my level 5 bank toon (no weapons or anything on it - that is can use) put up LFM for running people out of the harbor on elite and off with it. Three man (sometimes five man) everything and shake hands as we leave harbor.

The stuff they give you on the island twinks you enough where you do not need hand me downs until level three or five anyway.

I do not understand the big deal, if you are going to quit over this - don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya.

Remember this, when you actually want to be able to find people to group with and there aren't any...

[Bebopalula]

Remember this, when you actually want to be able to find people to group with and there aren't any...

I never have worried about finding a group - I belong to a fairly large guild (30+ active and 20+ casual - weekend). We tend to help each other out and other people as well.

Before you insult - I help people all the time as well - I hand out vorpals, disruptors, banishers, even a few WoP bows, stuff that I already have and do not need. when +5 MFP was a big deal - not too sure what my WF Barb would do with the three sets I pulled in a two week period, easier to give stuff away than it is to horde it. Shoot half the time I have to vendor things because no one needs it - or I find some lowbie and toss them a level 10 vorpal (or a rr disruptor and tell them level 8 take deleras) heh after the last loot give away I gave six sunblades out to people in the harbor.

I have flagged more people for quests because I found little things to make them easier - so yes, I am a bad person who does not help.... I have helped more than my share - but I also am a firm believer that one has to work for this as well, work out their own issues.

I like the way it is set up now - I came out of Korthos with some nice stuff until level three.

[Arianrhod]

I never have worried about finding a group - I belong to a fairly large guild (30+ active and 20+ casual - weekend). We tend to help each other out and other people as well.

Before you insult - I help people all the time as well

<snip>

I like the way it is set up now - I came out of Korthos with some nice stuff until level three.

I'm sorry you saw my comment as insulting, it was not meant that way. It's nice that you have a great guild now, but things do change over time. People get bored and leave, and new people need to join to keep things going for those who want to stay. People like Mythe who help the very newest of players with an interface that isn't always self-explanatory do contribute in a very real way to the continuity of the game. Thank you for helping those who need it at higher levels, that too is a valuable service to the community.

[tihocan]

Save Mythe! (although tbh I don't really understand the issue, but I'm guessing there is one ;))

[Anarkius]

First of all - I will say that Mythe (whoever this player is) should get recognition for their efforts on assisting new players in the DDO world. HOWEVER, special treatment for doing so, I think not. :o

I mean am I reading this right? You are wanting the Devs and various programmers to go in and change MANY lines of code so a single player (however noble their cause) can come and go in this new area as pleased? Has this really been thought through? :confused:

Yes, I will agree that new players may find things confusing at first and could definately use a hand (not a hand out) getting started. But if you are unwilling to keep a character in the new Korthos Island area to do so, that should not be our concern (certainly no concern of mine). From what I have read in this forum, it would appear that Mythe and some of the supporters of this toon think that they are the only person willing to help out and therefore deserve special treatment for doing so. :mad:

Coming from someone that is always willing to help a new or returning toon get settled in. I feel this is shameful self promotion for popularity in an online community of ever growing 'UBERS'. Just MHO! The audacity and sheer egomania to request such a change makes me laugh. :D

If you want to help new people that is great, however, don't develop a 'complex' over it. There are many that do the things that have been boasted here without requiring praise or changes to the game mechanics for doing so. Get over yourselves, be thankful that you can help people, at least you are doing something constructive with the many many hours you have obviously wasted to gather the back pack slot upon back pack slot of items that you cherish so dearly in order to donate to your cause. :p

I for one will continue to assist ANYONE the best I can, and be happy to do so as a good deed rather than hopes of idolization for my deeds. With that being said allow me to express my gratitude to those that have 'helped' me within my 2 years of playing:

former members of Epic (Fernia Guild)
more importantly: Parallaxia, Tirin, Baby Doc, Mease & Kric (not neccessarily in that order). I appreciate you dragging me along and explaining things to me as we went for the first year I was in game. Your knowledge helped me quite a bit and I learned a lot from all of Epic. :D

current and previous members of Storm Riders (Aundair, I mean Khyber Guild)
more importantly: Arlight, Tahleara, Cheerio, Crill, Zeelee, Siggur (not neccessarily in that order). You are all great people and I look forward to adventuring with you all again soon. Much love to my guildies. ;)

And anyone that needs help, please never hesitate to ask someone in game. From what I have experienced we are ALL willing (as a population) to assist and share our knowledge of the game. No we may not all have equipment to hand down - or may not be able to run a quest with you at that time, but most if not all of us are willing to try and help. And most of us don't require changes be made to the game to accomodate us, much like everyone else we change and adapt with the game. :eek:

See everyone in Stormreach...

[phoenix13]

as I stated earlier though I know more about mythes situation than others because I know the person behind the character this thread is to bring attention to a situation that effects ALL of the people who wish to help new players.

[VirieSquichie]

It's not as simple as just recalling out of Misery's peak. Here is a quote from another thread. If this is true I would have to have TOO many copies of Mythe/Mythette or constantly delete.

Originally Posted by Fetchi
I'm surprised a dev hasn't commented on this topic because a lot of people seem to be confused - as I was. I put in a ticket when I was unable to allow people to join my LFM and /invite wasn't working. I kept getting the (Error): You cannot group with this player at this time. (You are currently on a different stage of the Korthos Island experience.) message so I put a ticket in.

The GM replied with:

there are 3 stages to the new area:

If you have not completed the Tutorial - you cannot group with others who have

If you have completed the Tutorial you can group only with players who have completed the Tutorial and who have not completed The Collaborator

If you have completed The Collaborator you can only group with others who completed The Collaborator but not Misery's Peak

If you have completed Misery's Peak you cannot group with others who have not completed Misery's Peak

Hopefully this makes some sense. It's still a pain when trying to form groups for Korthos Island.

Holy crud. Who thought that rubbish up? If that is truly the way the NPE is coded, my respect for the design process at Turbine just took a header. That's so anti-NPE I'm at a loss for words to describe it.

[Saaluta]

I am thankful there are people like Talish(Mythe) out there helping all the new people to become acquainted with DDO. I have always been glad to hand plat and gear to new players that needed it. But Mythe does a even greater service in that she helps new players to better understand the game and how to better play. I have helped new players get thru the Goodblades and harbor quests when I was leveling a newbie, but never had the inclination to leave one at 1st level to help them out all the time as she does. (Call me selfish, but most of my friends are high level, so I want to get up there to be able to play with them) :D

But Talish(Mythe) (and others I don't know about, I'm sure) does this with no thought of recompense or reward, she takes her game time and helps others. I for one would love to see her get the help she needs so she can continue helping others. So please Turbine, if you can help her out please do.

Thanks,

Saal :)

[Hafeal]

This is a known issue and the devs said in another thread they are working on it. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.