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ArkoHighStar
10-09-2008, 11:33 PM
Looks like he is with LOTRO now


Graal - Howdy everybody! I am Graal, systems designer for the Champion class and the new Warden class.
Kraldor
10-10-2008, 12:06 AM
Pfft. It's no wonder that Vision and Hound are both lacking in number of items.
thatguy
10-10-2008, 06:54 AM
Looks like he is with LOTRO now

Nice, we lost another one. What do we have now, like 2 or 3 developers? :D
Sue_Dark
10-10-2008, 07:18 AM
Just because Graal says he's working on something for LoTRO doesnt necessarily mean he's left DDO for good.

Has he made any official statement to this effect? Like a goodbye DDO players or an I'm the new X designer *FOR* LoTRO? I would suspect we would see something from someone on the team, if not Graal personally, saying some form of bye bye/hello.

To me this reads as just a, "Hi, I'm helpin out here". Maybe I'm too optomistic today.
thatguy
10-10-2008, 07:27 AM
Just because Graal says he's working on something for LoTRO doesnt necessarily mean he's left DDO for good.

Has he made any official statement to this effect? Like a goodbye DDO players or an I'm the new X designer *FOR* LoTRO? I would suspect we would see something from someone on the team, if not Graal personally, saying some form of bye bye/hello.

To me this reads as just a, "Hi, I'm helpin out here". Maybe I'm too optomistic today.

When was the last time a developer did that?
ArkoHighStar
10-10-2008, 07:35 AM
Just because Graal says he's working on something for LoTRO doesnt necessarily mean he's left DDO for good.

Has he made any official statement to this effect? Like a goodbye DDO players or an I'm the new X designer *FOR* LoTRO? I would suspect we would see something from someone on the team, if not Graal personally, saying some form of bye bye/hello.

To me this reads as just a, "Hi, I'm helpin out here". Maybe I'm too optomistic today.

This was from the LOTRO dev chat about Mines of Moria. I imagine being the desugner of a whole new class would be more than a part time job, and while maybe he could make a return it means he has spent the last few months focusing on LOTRO and not DDO
Freeman
10-10-2008, 07:44 AM
Has he made any official statement to this effect? Like a goodbye DDO players or an I'm the new X designer *FOR* LoTRO? I would suspect we would see something from someone on the team, if not Graal personally, saying some form of bye bye/hello.

So how many of the other people that have left have made an official statement of some sort? The only one I can recall was when someone was moving from Community Relations to QA, to let us know they wouldn't be posting as much. Other than that, not a single post. For many people, we really don't have any way to verify if they still work on DDO if they haven't posted for awhile.(Codog? DeadlyGazebo? Slithe? Anyone?)
ArkoHighStar
10-10-2008, 07:51 AM
So how many of the other people that have left have made an official statement of some sort? The only one I can recall was when someone was moving from Community Relations to QA, to let us know they wouldn't be posting as much. Other than that, not a single post. For many people, we really don't have any way to verify if they still work on DDO if they haven't posted for awhile.(Codog? DeadlyGazebo? Slithe? Anyone?)

Toleromentioned Codg the other day,but you are right.I cannot remember anyone who had a goodbye thread.
Rameses
10-10-2008, 08:57 AM
You wont see a goodbye thread from them. Tolero will close the thread right away with some PC bs statement about wishing the best of luck in the future. :D

On the topic of the OP. I understand the concept of resource management, but I can't grasp the concept of product abandonment without removing the product from the market.

I am, Rameses!
Strakeln
10-10-2008, 09:49 AM
Nice, we lost another one. What do we have now, like 2 or 3 developers? :DOne with multiple personalities.
Borror0
10-10-2008, 09:50 AM
Pfft. It's no wonder that Vision and Hound are both lacking in number of items.
It's been the job of Tharagrim for a while now.
ArkoHighStar
10-10-2008, 10:06 AM
It's been the job of Tharagrim for a while now.

That to me is good sign,meaning that Graalwen to LOTRO pursue a new oppurtunity and Turbine hired a new staffer to replace him,instead of just moving resources
thatguy
10-10-2008, 11:01 AM
One with multiple personalities.

Dr Jerkyl and Mr Hyde.
Dracolich
10-10-2008, 11:38 AM
It reminds me when the Developers at SWG started jumping ship. I think one even moved to here. I cant recall it was about a year ago I saw a familliar name from the SWG forums. I could be wrong as I often am.
TFPAQ
10-10-2008, 02:41 PM
That to me is good sign,meaning that Graalwen to LOTRO pursue a new oppurtunity and Turbine hired a new staffer to replace him,instead of just moving resources

... Liked Graal, good being ... hope he enjoys "Championing" LOTRO.

He was replaced by? ...


... Yeah Exactly ...
Pyromaniac
10-10-2008, 07:26 PM
Just because Graal says he's working on something for LoTRO doesnt necessarily mean he's left DDO for good.

I guess there's too fast pace of new content in DDO so we need to lend our developers to LOTR :)
seppaku
10-11-2008, 02:09 PM
Hey Graal... if you're leaving.... can I have all of your stuff? :D
KoboldKiller
10-11-2008, 02:12 PM
Hey Graal... if you're leaving.... can I have all of your stuff? :D

I'll ask him for ya when I go to LoTRO after DDO fails. :(
Kerrn_Siff
10-11-2008, 02:19 PM
On the topic of the OP. I understand the concept of resource management, but I can't grasp the concept of product abandonment without removing the product from the market.


cause we all still are paying them for it?
DragonKiller
10-11-2008, 03:13 PM
People move to different parts of the same company for many reasons, none of which are every really shared with customers. It's just how business work.

I think Mod 8 is actually a very good sign that Turbine is at least TRYING to do something with DDO. The problem is probably that there is a lack of income on DDO, so Turbine can't justify hiring more people to people like the CFO. If you take a look at the current economy, you should be able to tell that CFO's don't think much in the future and really only care about the current quarter. Therefor hiring 10 more developers to try and bring a lot of new content/levels/races/classes to DDO would get nix'd by the finance people because all they see is the outing money. Now admittedly with the current credit problems even rock solid companies have a problem getting short term credit, so I bet companies like Turbine are finding it almost impossible.

WOW... that was probably more than was really called for......
CSFurious
10-11-2008, 03:35 PM
you are drinking too much kool-aid

not a good sign


Just because Graal says he's working on something for LoTRO doesnt necessarily mean he's left DDO for good.

Has he made any official statement to this effect? Like a goodbye DDO players or an I'm the new X designer *FOR* LoTRO? I would suspect we would see something from someone on the team, if not Graal personally, saying some form of bye bye/hello.

To me this reads as just a, "Hi, I'm helpin out here". Maybe I'm too optomistic today.
jmelanie7
10-11-2008, 04:03 PM
This was from the LOTRO dev chat about Mines of Moria. I imagine being the desugner of a whole new class would be more than a part time job, and while maybe he could make a return it means he has spent the last few months focusing on LOTRO and not DDO

I was suspecting that, when i first read about the development of the mines of moria expansion for lotro, that they would BORROW some of our devs for something more lucrative....So far i didnt have any proofs, but now...
Beherit_Baphomar
10-11-2008, 04:09 PM
I think Mod 8 is actually a very good sign that Turbine is at least TRYING to do something with DDO.......

They can try all they want, but when there is only 2 Dev's they wont get very far...
ice33b
10-11-2008, 09:53 PM
It reminds me when the Developers at SWG started jumping ship. I think one even moved to here. I cant recall it was about a year ago I saw a familliar name from the SWG forums. I could be wrong as I often am.

That would be Tiggs who was the SWG community rep before jumping ship to DDO and then jumping ship to LoTRO.
Jay203
10-11-2008, 09:56 PM
They can try all they want, but when there is only 2 Dev's they wont get very far...

just to add to it
they can try all they want, but all that effort is useless when they lose all trust from the playerbase with the kind of craps that's happening w/o anything from officials