Was there a need for the armor AC ritual?

[artvan_delet]

I can understand adding a +1 AC to shields, to give a boost to sword and board players who have fallen behind TWF. I don't understand why the +1 AC ritual was made available for armor, because everyone can add that it doesnt seem to do much except inflate AC across the board. Not to mention that getting vials of water and prayer beads is 50x easier than getting 2 khyber tomes and 6 silver flame hymnals for the shield ritual.

Just wondering if someone has some -insight- here. Thanks.

[Angelus_dead]

Maybe the partial goal is to remove armor items from the economy, by creating an incentive for players to bind their +5 mith fps to themselves, in exchange for higher AC. That prevents them from later selling it to a new level 8 character once he's looted a better item.

[Thrudh]

I can understand adding a +1 AC to shields, to give a boost to sword and board players who have fallen behind TWF. I don't understand why the +1 AC ritual was made available for armor, because everyone can add that it doesnt seem to do much except inflate AC across the board. Not to mention that getting vials of water and prayer beads is 50x easier than getting 2 khyber tomes and 6 silver flame hymnals for the shield ritual.

Just wondering if someone has some -insight- here. Thanks.

It would have made more sense if it didn't work on robes

[Thrudh]

Maybe the partial goal is to remove armor items from the economy, by creating an incentive for players to bind their +5 mith fps to themselves, in exchange for higher AC. That prevents them from later selling it to a new level 8 character once he's looted a better item.

Good point... MY +5 MFP is now bound....

[Samadhi]

I can understand adding a +1 AC to shields, to give a boost to sword and board players who have fallen behind TWF. I don't understand why the +1 AC ritual was made available for armor, because everyone can add that it doesnt seem to do much except inflate AC across the board. Not to mention that getting vials of water and prayer beads is 50x easier than getting 2 khyber tomes and 6 silver flame hymnals for the shield ritual.

Just wondering if someone has some -insight- here. Thanks.

I thought the two stacked... or am I wrong...

[adamkatt]

I thought the two stacked... or am I wrong...

Shield and armor rit stack.

[Thrudh]

I thought the two stacked... or am I wrong...

They do, but the point is... since it works on armor and robes/oufits.... EVERYONE'S AC went up by one point....

Shield AC boost only helps Sword and Board types (and for some reason, is much harder to get)

[Daedalis]

I thought the two stacked... or am I wrong...

They should stack, the one for Armor adds a Dodge bonus, not sure about the shield bonus though.

[Depravity]

Maybe the partial goal is to remove armor items from the economy, by creating an incentive for players to bind their +5 mith fps to themselves, in exchange for higher AC. That prevents them from later selling it to a new level 8 character once he's looted a better item.

I'm specifically avoiding doing the ritual on my one and only plain vanilla +5 mithral, and saving it for better suits at later levels. Already saw that and avoided it.

[Dariuss]

They do, but the point is... since it works on armor and robes/oufits.... EVERYONE'S AC went up by one point....



yeah but only at end-game (i'm assuming people aren't doing this on their mid-level armors anyway, seems a bit of a pain when you only have it for a couple levels)

and end-game AC is out-of-whack enough that the +1 isn't going to hurt

[artvan_delet]

the rituals definitely stack with each other and with other items (e.g. chattering ring, greensteel AC upgrades). True that the rituals do take items off the market, but the best armor suits out there imo are already bound (fullplate of the defender and breastplate of destruction-too bad it's so ugly).

Find me a ritual that lets us change our armor color, then we're talking.

[MageLL]

Maybe the partial goal is to remove armor items from the economy, by creating an incentive for players to bind their +5 mith fps to themselves, in exchange for higher AC. That prevents them from later selling it to a new level 8 character once he's looted a better item.

This makes perfect sense. +5 Mith FP, Chain, and Breastplates are dropping in VoD and Hound. I noticed a ton of +5 mith items on the AH as people started getting their raid armor. If people start attuning the ones hitting the market they will be much harder to come by until you can actually do the raid.

[BrianTheHun]

Does the AC ritual work on other items, such as AC bracers, or is it only good for armor and robes?

[Velorn]

Freebee performed the armor ritual on his FP of the Defender because it was already bound. So I figured...why not. Unfortunately he performed the same ritual on his +5 MFP just 2 weeks prior to getting the vision FP. :rolleyes::D

[EKKM]

Does the AC ritual work on other items, such as AC bracers, or is it only good for armor and robes?

It only works on armour and sheilds. There is a jewellery ritual which would add a +1 saving throw bonus to jewellery (which includes bracers)

[BrianTheHun]

It only works on armour and sheilds. There is a jewellery ritual which would add a +1 saving throw bonus to jewellery (which includes bracers)

Ok, thank you. I already have the resistance ritual on my shroud goggles, I was just hoping to improve my AC bracers.

[debo]

Ok, thank you. I already have the resistance ritual on my shroud goggles, I was just hoping to improve my AC bracers.

the ac ritual doesn't work on rogues

[BrianTheHun]

the ac ritual doesn't work on rogues

Well, at least I can still benefit from the shield bonus.

[debo]

Well, at least I can still benefit from the shield bonus.

nope... that won't work on rogues either

[Venar]

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it works fine on rogues, *** are you talking about.

[adamkatt]

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it works fine on rogues, *** are you talking about.

Have you shoved a rogue in the machine??? Id love to see the result.

[adamkatt]

I can understand adding a +1 AC to shields, to give a boost to sword and board players who have fallen behind TWF. I don't understand why the +1 AC ritual was made available for armor, because everyone can add that it doesnt seem to do much except inflate AC across the board. Not to mention that getting vials of water and prayer beads is 50x easier than getting 2 khyber tomes and 6 silver flame hymnals for the shield ritual.

Just wondering if someone has some -insight- here. Thanks.


Was there a need? Well it got my poor paladin to a 52 ac so yeah i needed it!

[Xithos]

Future content will account for the AC inflation that everyone is getting from the rituals, but for older content and the stuff we have now you are +1 more uber. Enjoy it; my Ranger/Defender appreciates the +1 AC for the stuff I am currently running.

[Lord_X]

So can I add the dodge bonus to my dragonscale shield or armor?

[Lewcipher]

It only works on armour and sheilds. There is a jewellery ritual which would add a +1 saving throw bonus to jewellery (which includes bracers)

No sir, this ritual works on robes as well.

[Lewcipher]

So can I add the dodge bonus to my dragonscale shield or armor?

yes

[Lord_X]

Thanks Lewcipher, its so hard to keep up with which items are still bugged and which aren't any more...so if I do the ritual to give the +1 dodge bonus to my dragonscale armor, I still have to perform the binding ritual first even though its bound already, equip it after the ritual, and then do the +1 dodge ritual. Is this correct?

[Lewcipher]

Thanks Lewcipher, its so hard to keep up with which items are still bugged and which aren't any more...so if I do the ritual to give the +1 dodge bonus to my dragonscale armor, I still have to perform the binding ritual first even though its bound already, equip it after the ritual, and then do the +1 dodge ritual. Is this correct?

No. If it's bound already you do not have to do the ritual to bind it. You're GOOD TO GO!

[Osharan_Tregarth]

No. If it's bound already you do not have to do the ritual to bind it. You're GOOD TO GO!

Are you sure?

I was under the impression that you still needed to "attune" the armor/item before you could do any rituals.

The bound stuff just doesn't take any damage by default.

[moorewr]

You still need to "attune" bound items. Big deal - we all have plenty of khyber shards.

That said, if you are using a dragon scale item, it's already bound, so no reason not to apply a ritual.

[EightyFour]

Just for anyone doing the rituals that get confused, the armor ritual that gives a +1 bonus to AC is listed as a feat bonus, for the +1 AC shield ritual it is listed as a dodge bonus.

[Aesop]

The rituals should scale with the type of armor... it would at least then benefitthe people that are currently lacking in the way of Luv


Robes and Light armor should gain +1
Medium and Heavy +2

Bucklers and Light Shields +1
Heavy and Tower Shields +2

does this fix the AC disparity between TWF and S&B no but it does help a little


unrelated note Icy Raiments should be changed from a Dodge Bonus to an Insight Bonus and the other bonus should be +4 Resistance... or better yet +3 Insight Bonus to AC and +3 Insight Bonus to Saves

just thinking outloud

Aesop

[Dexxaan]

The rituals should scale with the type of armor... it would at least then benefitthe people that are currently lacking in the way of Luv


Robes and Light armor should gain +1
Medium and Heavy +2

Bucklers and Light Shields +1
Heavy and Tower Shields +2
does this fix the AC disparity between TWF and S&B no but it does help a little


unrelated note Icy Raiments should be changed from a Dodge Bonus to an Insight Bonus and the other bonus should be +4 Resistance... or better yet +3 Insight Bonus to AC and +3 Insight Bonus to Saves

just thinking outloud

Aesop

Excellent Idea.


Devs? Hello? :cool:

[moorewr]

Dumb question - can you apply a Stone of Change ritual (the force damage ritual, for example) to an upgraded greensteel item?

[esoitl]

Are you sure?

I was under the impression that you still needed to "attune" the armor/item before you could do any rituals.

The bound stuff just doesn't take any damage by default.

Quite sure it has to be a bound and attuned item to apply rituals, do yourself a favor and spend the tiny ammount of khyber shards to make sure not to lose the ingredients beforehand as bound items are not attuned by default.


Dumb question - can you apply a Stone of Change ritual (the force damage ritual, for example) to an upgraded greensteel item?
I don't see why not. I forget how the GS items are treated but to be sure about it make sure the item is attuned beforehand unless you have extra ritual ingredients to spend. I may have to go find a bound shield to check the shield ritual unless someone else has already. Those ingredients are pretty easy to find.

[Lewcipher]

You still need to "attune" bound items. Big deal - we all have plenty of khyber shards.

That said, if you are using a dragon scale item, it's already bound, so no reason not to apply a ritual.


Oops, my mistake. Guess that's why you need equivalent weapon + squared for the shards. binding and attuning :o

[tihocan]

Dumb question - can you apply a Stone of Change ritual (the force damage ritual, for example) to an upgraded greensteel item?
Yes

[HumanJHawkins]

I'm specifically avoiding doing the ritual on my one and only plain vanilla +5 mithral, and saving it for better suits at later levels. Already saw that and avoided it.


This further supports the OP. The fact is that the best robes in the game are a dime a dozen. +5 Tower Shields run about 100K plat, and +5 MFP is 400K.

So, this actually boosted the AC of rangers and monks much more than Sword and Board. Because S&B have to be much more conservative with which items they bind.

[Freeman]

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it works fine on rogues, *** are you talking about.

Well, technically he's right. I tried it on a Halfling rogue that happened to be walking by, and the ritual didn't do a single thing to him. Those chomping teeth looked like they hurt though, but as far as I could tell, his base AC didn't get any bonus. Maybe if I'd tried it on his armor instead... :p

[Milolyen]

This further supports the OP. The fact is that the best robes in the game are a dime a dozen. +5 Tower Shields run about 100K plat, and +5 MFP is 400K.

So, this actually boosted the AC of rangers and monks much more than Sword and Board. Because S&B have to be much more conservative with which items they bind.

Actually because of the hound and vod raid you will see the +5 mith tower shields and +5 MFP's, MBP, and Mithral chain shirts dropping. Then also there is the factor that you can only apply one ritual per armor ... when more crafting is released there will be more of a choice and not everyone will use the ac ritual.

Milolyen

[Vizzini]

Do you know if you can use the armor ritual on the Icy Rainments? Would be worth it to me there since it's already bound anyhow.

I have a feeling though that named items can't be ritualized (which is a shame)


the rituals definitely stack with each other and with other items (e.g. chattering ring, greensteel AC upgrades). True that the rituals do take items off the market, but the best armor suits out there imo are already bound (fullplate of the defender and breastplate of destruction-too bad it's so ugly).

Find me a ritual that lets us change our armor color, then we're talking.

[Eldun]

For those who are really going to be AC fanatics it shouldn't matter binding a vanilla +5 MFP. You'll still be wearing a protection item for that +1 point so waiting for the VoD armor is only going to change the +2 to hit bonus, and truthfully what end game fighter needs that against any current mobs especially when sword and boarding and using a crafted +5 greensteel item?

I've run the VoD 10x on my fighter over the past months but it's just not fun on her, I'd much prefer to have more excitement on my barbarian, or cleric. I don't see myself taking her in another 10x for the chance of the armor dropping.

Like another post said, the items are easy to come by for the ac ritual so absolute worst case scenerio ... you lose the ability to trade/sell a set of +5 MFP and have to drop 15k on the ingredients if you are too impatient to farm them. I'd say just go for it.

[lazlow]

im sure there are newer rituals in store for us soon????? anyone heard

[Grimtooth333]

Do you know if you can use the armor ritual on the Icy Rainments? Would be worth it to me there since it's already bound anyhow.

I have a feeling though that named items can't be ritualized (which is a shame)
Yes you can, though you do have to 'attune' them first at the stone of change. I have done all of my scale armors as well as my Raid armors.

[Strakeln]

Have you shoved a rogue in the machine??? Id love to see the result.bwahahaha you and debo have me dying over here!

[Lord_X]

Yeah, you have to do attuning ritual even with bound items.

Does the +1 saves competence bonus stack infinitely for items?