Suvivabilty Fighter

[Kamboe]

Thought I would post my Fighter Halfling build just to see what you people of the Fighter Forums have to say about him.

Minimum 16 Halfling Fighter Lawful Good

Starting Stats:
Str - 16
Dex - 12
Con - 15
Int - 8
Wis - 10
Cha - 12

End Game Stats:
Str - 32 (16 Base, +4 Lvls, +6 Item, +3 Fighter Str, +3 Tome)
Dex - 22 (12 Base, +6 Item, +3 Tome, +1 Halfling)
Con - 24 (15 Base, +6 Item, +3 Tome)
Int - 8 (8 Base)
Wis - 18 (10 Base, +6 Item, +2 Tome)
Cha - 20 (12 Base, +6 Item, +2 Tome)

HP:
160 Base (16 Fighter)
20 Heroic Durability
10 Draconic Vitality
30 Greater False Life
112 Con Bonus
50 Fighter Toughness 4
18 Toughness
= 400 HP

AC:
10 Base
13 Armor(+5 Mith FP)
6 Dex (3 Mith FP, 3 Fighter AM)
5 Protection
1 Dodge
1 Halfling
3 Bark Pot
2 Chaosguardes
= 40 AC 2 Handed
7 Sheild
= 47 1 Handed

UMD:
9.5 Base
5 Cha Mod
4 GH
2 Head of GF
3 SF UMD
3 Golden Cartouche
=26.5 UMD

Saves:
Fort: 10 Base
4 GH
2 Head of GF
4 Resist Ring
7 Con
1 Halfling Luck
= 28

Reflex: 5 Base
4 GH
2 Head of GF
4 Resist Ring
6 Dex Mod
1 Halfling Luck
2 Halfling Luck (Reflex 2)
=24

Will: 5 Base
4 GH
2 Head of GF
4 Resist Ring
3 Wis Mod
1 Halfling Luck
2 Halfling Luck (Will 2)
2 Iron Will
=24



(F = Fighter Bonus Feat)
Feats In Order:
1- Dragonmark 1
1F- Dodge
2F- Mobility
3- Toughness
4F- Spring Attack
6F- Power Attack
6- Dragonmark 2
8F- Cleave
9- Dragonmark 3
10F- Improved Crit: Slashing
12- Skill Focus: UMD
12F- Wep Focus: Slashing
14F- Wep Spec: Slashing
15- Iron Will
16F- Greater Wep Spec: Slashing

Enhancements:
Fighter Extra Action Boost 1
Fighter Haste Boost 4
Extra Dragonmark 4
Fighter Armor Mastery 3
Halfling Dex 1
Halfling Luck (Reflex) 2
Halfling Luck (Will) 2
Fighter Str 3
Fighter Toughness 4

Equip:
Helm - +6 Wisdom
Goggles -Shroud Goggles(Improved Regen)[Will be changed soon]
Armor - +5 Mith FP
Bracers - Chaosgardes
Ring - Prot 5
Ring - Resist 4
Boots - +6 Dex
Gloves - +6 Str
Belt - Electric Haze(GFL/Hvy Fort)
Cloak - +6 Cha/Greater Resist
Trinket - Head of Good Fortune

[Silverjade]

Can you clear up your saves a bit hard on the eyes to try and read them all jumbled up like that.

[Uproar]

Other then UMD what skills (and levels in those) will he have? 8 int? Ouch! I am guessing you are throwing all points into Intimidate (charisma will help with that). Jump? Balance? Swim? Not an issue?

[debo]

Other then UMD what skills (and levels in those) will he have? 8 int? Ouch! I am guessing you are throwing all points into Intimidate (charisma will help with that). Jump? Balance? Swim? Not an issue?

one day there is going to be +5 tomes... and all you fighters who started with a higher then 8 int will be sorry. :p

[Kamboe]

There we go...they were suppose to be Fort_______Reflex__________Will but I guess it didnt want to space them out...was just trying to make the post smaller :)

[Kamboe]

Other then UMD what skills (and levels in those) will he have? 8 int? Ouch! I am guessing you are throwing all points into Intimidate (charisma will help with that). Jump? Balance? Swim? Not an issue?

I didnt think putting up my other skills would matter but,
Skill Points went into:
1 Tumble
15 Jump

Swim is pretty low i think
Not sure Balance..somewhere in 20's im sure

No Intimidate because its a build based off of staying alive. I know I should take the agro off the Cleric, but hey, I can rez em once mine is dead ;)

[binnsr]

End Game Stats:
Str - 32 (16 Base, +4 Lvls, +6 Item, +3 Fighter Str, +3 Tome)
Dex - 22 (12 Base, +6 Item, +3 Tome, +1 Halfling)
Con - 24 (15 Base, +6 Item, +3 Tome)
Int - 8 (8 Base)
Wis - 18 (10 Base, +6 Item, +2 Tome)
Cha - 20 (12 Base, +6 Item, +2 Tome)

With that many tomes, any build is going to look nice ..


(F = Fighter Bonus Feat)
Feats In Order:
1- Dragonmark 1
1F- Dodge
2F- Mobility
3- Toughness
4F- Spring Attack
6F- Power Attack
6- Dragonmark 2
8F- Cleave
9- Dragonmark 3
10F- Improved Crit: Slashing
12- Skill Focus: UMD
12F- Wep Focus: Slashing
14F- Wep Spec: Slashing
15- Iron Will
16F- Greater Wep Spec: Slashing

You can't take Greater Weapon Spec (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#greaterWeaponSpecialization) without taking Greater Weapon Focus (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#greaterWeaponFocus) first.

edit: also, I'd move Improved Critical: Slashing to Lvl8 and bump Cleave to lvl10. Or, if the rules are being enforced for WF/WS/gWF/gWS, then you could take WF at 10F, WS at 12F, gWF at 14F and gWS at 16F and drop Cleave entirely.

[Borror0]

one day there is going to be +5 tomes... and all you fighters who started with a higher then 8 int will be sorry. :p

That's what my guildy said about +3 Int tomes and higher than 10 base Int.

He's still farming the Reaver.:D

[Borror0]

Oh, and btw OP, get Intimidate.:D

[Kamboe]

Hmmm thats not how DDO does it.

[img=http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3685/minimumjs9.th.png] (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=minimumjs9.png)

Also to your edit: Imp Crit Slash has a BAB 9 Prereq I believe


Pfft I don't need Intimidate to stay alive..Diplo..now that a different story :P

[Blazer]

Oh, and btw OP, get Intimidate.:D

Ahem, Borror0. The OP's build is a halfling. I know you're all crusading for fighters to take Intim, but at the -4 penalty...

Oh yeah, nevermind the fact that the character is already built, capped, geared, and has used all those +3/+2 tomes. ;)

[Borror0]

Pfft I don't need Intimidate to stay alive..Diplo..now that a different story :P

I rename that build "the leecher".:D

[Borror0]

Ahem, Borror0. The OP's build is a halfling. I know you're all crusading for fighters to take Intim, but at the -4 penalty...

50 Intimidate before Shroud item wouldn't be enough?


Oh yeah, nevermind the fact that the character is already built, capped, geared, and has used all those +3/+2 tomes. ;)

That character is reroll material, even with all the +3 tomes. It's still a leech.:)

Oh, and if you're looknig for survivability... you're missing out on Evasion.:rolleyes:

[Kamboe]

Evasion would be nice, but I don't feel like gimping him by taking 2 lvl of rogue at this late of lvls. He wouldnt have any OL or DD


BTW Explain how I 'leech' please

[binnsr]

Hmmm thats not how DDO does it.

[img=http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3685/minimumjs9.th.png] (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=minimumjs9.png)


Interesting. Have you filed a Bug report yet? :)

[Borror0]

Edit

[Kamboe]

I every tank needs agro to not be a leech, wouldn't only 1 peron per group/raid not be a leech?

I also don't understand how you think I don't put out DPS...Max Str for a Halfling Fighter w/o a shroud +9 str-moron-wep, as many feats as I could take to increase dmg..

[binnsr]

Evasion would be nice, but I don't feel like gimping him by taking 2 lvl of rogue at this late of lvls. He wouldnt have any OL or DD

For this kind of build, it doesn't really matter too much when you take rogue levels as you'd only be using the points to pump up UMD and maybe put a couple of points in OL.

2 ranks OL
1 Rogue OL I
2 Rogue Skill Boost I
7 tools
4 GH
6 Dex (22 Dex)
15 Item
2 Head of Good Fortune
= +39 (enough to get nearly every lock in the game)

[Kamboe]

Good point...have to see whats in store for Fighters with lvl cap

[stoc]

As I read your build it struck me that what you are proposing is very similar to what I have built. The main difference is that I have the two levels of rouge and evasion :). I dont feel that the two levels of rouge will gimp you at all and your survivability will increase tremendously. By the way mine is now lvl 16, capped, and one of my favorites to play. Actually all my toons are my favorites :0

[binnsr]

You lose out on 1 feat and 8 hp, 1 Fort and 1 Will and pick up +2 reflex saves, gain Evasion, +1d6 sneak attack damage, 1st Tier rogue enhancements, Rogue Dex I and a bucket of skill points (not that big of a bucket due to it not being at 1st lvl and only an 8 Int, but a bucket nonetheless)

[Borror0]

I every tank needs agro to not be a leech, wouldn't only 1 peron per group/raid not be a leech?

Sorry, saw the shieldand AC breakdown and thought you were S&B.

EDIT:

[...] as many feats as I could take to increase dmg..
Not true, you don't have any of the THF line.

[debo]

I every tank needs agro to not be a leech, wouldn't only 1 peron per group/raid not be a leech?

I also don't understand how you think I don't put out DPS...Max Str for a Halfling Fighter w/o a shroud +9 str-moron-wep, as many feats as I could take to increase dmg..

I don't see khopesh feat. What one hander are you using ?

[Kamboe]

I really only use Sheild when im tanking the Stormreaver and people want there charges. Some other cases but thats not what you asked....

+5 Flame Burst Scimi atm In the process of makin my Shroud Scimi (Holy/Acid Burst)

Once we get +4 Tomes and lvl 20 i might do dual weilding..not sure yet tho

Borro - Ya i dropped them because all they helped was my glancing blows it seemed like. When Im in a big group i just spam cleave

[Borror0]

I really only use Sheild when im tanking the Stormreaver and people want there charges. Some other cases but thats not what you asked....

+5 Flame Burst Scimi atm In the process of makin my Shroud Scimi (Holy/Acid Burst)

You're making a one-handed weapon?!:confused:

[debo]

I really only use Sheild when im tanking the Stormreaver and people want there charges. Some other cases but thats not what you asked....

+5 Flame Burst Scimi atm In the process of makin my Shroud Scimi (Holy/Acid Burst)

Once we get +4 Tomes and lvl 20 i might do dual weilding..not sure yet tho

Borro - Ya i dropped them because all they helped was my glancing blows it seemed like. When Im in a big group i just spam cleave

No offense ... you are all over the place.

And dropping those THF feats was a huge mistake.

[Kamboe]

lol I already have a Greataxe full upgraded

[Kamboe]

No offense ... you are all over the place.

And dropping those THF feats was a huge mistake.

All over the place?

And I dropped them for the Wep Spec line, would rather do more dmg to the guy im attacking(/more dmg to cleave) then the guys around him when i do my glancing blow for 15-20

[binnsr]

Have to agree with Debo here ..

This build has average DPS (glancing blows add a significant amount of damage over time, with or without cleave)
This build has average AC
This build has average HP (my founding 28-pt human 12 ftr/4Brb intimitank has 426 base - 506 triple raged)
This build is VERY reliant on difficult-to-get tomes and equipment.

The only signature thing about this build is the dragonmarks .. and those only get you so far. This build isn't all that survivable without Evasion, AC, or HP..

[debo]

All over the place?

And I dropped them for the Wep Spec line, would rather do more dmg to the guy im attacking(/more dmg to cleave) then the guys around him when i do my glancing blow for 15-20

You glancing blows should be hitting for more then that if you took GTHF. And if I recall correctly you should be getting 20-25 x2...because GTHF adds another glancing blow. That is a lot of dps that you are missing out on.

Cleave is loved and hated by some...if you love it... then keep it. I would try to swap out feats to pick up the THF chain again. I would drop cleave and then UMD focus because your UMD isn't high enough really to be of MUCH use. Get a shroud item for that. Iron Will might be your next bet...and AGAIN farm for a shroud item to make up the difference if you are that concerned about losing the +2 will save.

A fighter DPS build no less... and no THF feats... yes you are a gimp.

Join the club.

[Borror0]

Have to agree with Debo here ..

This build has average DPS (glancing blows add a significant amount of damage over time, with or without cleave)
This build has average AC
This build has average HP (my founding 28-pt human 12 ftr/4Brb intimitank has 426 base - 506 triple raged)
This build is VERY reliant on difficult-to-get tomes and equipment.

The only signature thing about this build is the dragonmarks .. and those only get you so far. This build isn't all that survivable without Evasion, AC, or HP..

Well said.

[Blazer]

50 Intimidate before Shroud item wouldn't be enough?

That character is reroll material, even with all the +3 tomes. It's still a leech.:)

Oh, and if you're looknig for survivability... you're missing out on Evasion.:rolleyes:

Oh 50 would be, but w/ that low AC and no CE, intimidating is going to get him more aggro than he probably cares to deal with or can handle.

Point is B, not every character has to be built the same way. If that were the case, we'd all be playing dwarven tempest rangers or halfling iron monks or some other such build. Part of the fun in DDO is getting stuff done in more non-conventional ways with non-conventional groups. The OP plays this build, likes it, and I assume can play it well enough to contribute to a group.

Please Borror0, take off the metagame goggles once in awhile. I think you're beginning to take all things in DDO-land a bit too seriously my friend. Remember, can't spell metagame without "game". :)

[Kamboe]

This build has average DPS (glancing blows add a significant amount of damage over time, with or without cleave)


Average DPS for a Ftr? Starting with 2 less str than the rest of you, thats pretty good then



This build has average AC


With almost none of the feats or raid gear for AC? Thats pretty good that im up with the CE and +20 Dodge Ftrs



This build has average HP (my founding 28-pt human 12 ftr/4Brb intimitank has 426 base - 506 triple raged)


Average hp...whats wrong with that?



This build is VERY reliant on difficult-to-get tomes and equipment.


Not really. Until you have a +3 Dex Tome, Take Halfling Dex 2. Until you have a +3 Str Tome, you lose 1 Str and you don't have to take Ftr Str 3. So the 2 +3 Tomes I have take me up 1 dmg, 1 to-hit, and I save a few AP's (takin Halfling dex 2, not takin ftr str 3 - think that 1 AP diff?)



The only signature thing about this build is the dragonmarks .. and those only get you so far.


9 Cure Light = 9d8 + 45(1d8+5 each)
7 Cure Serious = 21d8 + 105(3d8 + 15 each?)
5 Heals = 750 (150 Each)
All Halfling Heals = (30-240)+900 = 930-1170..Thats before Potency 6 and/or Crit from Stormreaver Gloves.

How far is 'so far'? 1170 is about 3x my hp, which is the average right?



This build isn't all that survivable without Evasion, AC, or HP..


No Evasion just mean I take 1/2 damage. Other than Pit Fiend and Sulu, reflex save based spells/traps don't do more than 50 dmg when save.
Not much AC, but I got Halfling Heals[explained], can use Cure Serious Wands no prob, and I can chug pots just as well as your ftr/barb.
Hp? I thought I had average.

[Borror0]

The OP plays this build, likes it, and I assume can play it well enough to contribute to a group.

I understand that argument, but I saw him as an AC tank because of the name.:p

But really, I'll say it again, an AC build without intimidate is like a THF barbarian using quaterstaves. You like it, fine, but you're cutting a lot of your potential by doing so. Now, all of that is irrevelant becuase he has 47 AC, hehe


Please Borror0, take off the metagame goggles once in awhile. I think you're beginning to take all things in DDO-land a bit too seriously my friend. Remember, can't spell metagame without "game".

Oh, don't get me wrong, I do my share of uneffective choices and I'm fine with everyone having theirs.

But if someone makes one, I'm going to let him know. He can take it or leave it. It's an advice. Should he tell me he likes it that way, that he's awared of what it means and that he knows what he is going for... I'll be fine with it. I understand it's a game and we're here to have fun. But yeah, I'm going to keep selling my salad. ;)

[Blazer]

I understand that argument, but I saw him as an AC tank because of the name.:p

Yeah, I almost thought that too until I saw 8 INT. :)


But really, I'll say it again, an AC build without intimidate is like a THF barbarian using quaterstaves. You like it, fine, but you're cutting a lot of your potential by doing so. Now, all of that is irrevelant becuase he has 47 AC, hehe

Perhaps, but I've seen some **** fine fighters who contribute mightly to the party w/o having intimidate. As always, the person behind the keyboard >>> the build.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I do my share of uneffective choices and I'm fine with everyone having theirs.

But if someone makes one, I'm going to let him know. He can take it or leave it. It's an advice. Should he tell me he likes it that way, that he's awared of what it means and that he knows what he is going for... I'll be fine with it. I understand it's a game and we're here to have fun. But yeah, I'm going to keep selling my salad. ;)

Heh, uneffective choices. You mean like a human fighter/barb/rogue intimidate build with a 59 self buffed intimidate score? Yeah, if I actually posted my...ahem..."builds" here on the forums, I'm sure there would be some choice comments made.


I understand it's a game and we're here to have fun. But yeah, I'm going to keep selling my salad. ;)

That's fine, keep selling your salad. Hold the onions please, I don't like onions on my salad. :)

[Kamboe]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I do my share of uneffective choices and I'm fine with everyone having theirs.

But if someone makes one, I'm going to let him know. He can take it or leave it. It's an advice. Should he tell me he likes it that way, that he's awared of what it means and that he knows what he is going for... I'll be fine with it. I understand it's a game and we're here to have fun. But yeah, I'm going to keep selling my salad. ;)


When you say *one* in the im assuming you are still talking about uneffective choices? Thats not advice at all. Telling me I made an unffective choice?

Look at Batman Builds. They don't do much damage, which means they don't grab agro. they don't use Intim because they cant handle the agro. BUT they are great self-supporting toons. They survive. Thats what this build is. He is totally self relient. He can't do everything a Batman build can, but I do contribute more frontline then they do, while they contribute behind us. Healing, buffing with scrolls, etc.

Edit: Silly people, Minimum is his height not DPS :)

[debo]

Average DPS for a Ftr? Starting with 2 less str than the rest of you, thats pretty good then


You have selective reading. You have BELOW average DPS because you didn't take the THF line.



With almost none of the feats or raid gear for AC? Thats pretty good that im up with the CE and +20 Dodge Ftrs


No you have below average AC. And "being up there" with fighter's AC isn't something to boast about. You don't even hit what my fighter hits which is 58 ac w/o combat expertise. I consider 58 AC all but useless. And you showed the specs... you are hitting 47 ac with a shield.



Average hp...whats wrong with that?


You are a low AC build. You are going to take a lot of damage ... especially spamming cleave like you say you do to get aggro. 400 hps IS NOT good. Yea its average when you compare the wide ranges of classes in this game... but below average for what you want your build to do.



9 Cure Light = 9d8 + 45(1d8+5 each)
7 Cure Serious = 21d8 + 105(3d8 + 15 each?)
5 Heals = 750 (150 Each)
All Halfling Heals = (30-240)+900 = 930-1170..Thats before Potency 6 and/or Crit from Stormreaver Gloves.

How far is 'so far'? 1170 is about 3x my hp, which is the average right?


That is best thing about your build. Build off of it.

Also, hitting a 26 umd is what my fighter hits with all buffs/boost and I can tell you it is basically useless except to equip rr items. Hardly worth wasting a feat which you did.

[Borror0]

Perhaps, but I've seen some **** fine fighters who contribute mightly to the party w/o having intimidate. As always, the person behind the keyboard >>> the build.

Yeah, but as we say... a good player with a good build...


Heh, uneffective choices. You mean like a human fighter/barb/rogue intimidate build with a 59 self buffed intimidate score? Yeah, if I actually posted my...ahem..."builds" here on the forums, I'm sure there would be some choice comments made.

hehe, yeah... but don't we all have our little "thing"? Mine is Intimidate, and it's not a secret.


That's fine, keep selling your salad. Hold the onions please, I don't like onions on my salad. :)

/intimidate

You're going to buy my salad anyway.:mad:

[Borror0]

Thats not advice at all. Telling me I made an unffective choice?

Huh?


They don't use Intim because they cant handle the agro.

Fun fact, the original batman had Intimidate.:)


BUT they are great self-supporting toons. They survive. Thats what this build is. He is totally self relient. He can't do everything a Batman build can, but I do contribute more frontline then they do, while they contribute behind us. Healing, buffing with scrolls, etc.

That comment is false, Kamboe.

You do not contribute more in frontline than a batman build. Besides, batman builds have Intimidate... and can handle the aggro.

Please refer me the build you're talking about.

[Blazer]

/intimidate

You're going to buy my salad anyway.:mad:

LOL, thanks for the mid-day chuckle Borro0, much needed today. :D

[Kamboe]

I know my DPS isnt the best, its not supposed to be. I almost never steal agro from people because most tanks are either:
Barbs
Dualweilding
Intima-Tanks


I can't steal agro from them. I'm not meant to. When I never have agro I don't need 600 hp or 78 AC. Once I pick up the Backstab goggles from (VoD?) I'm gonna grab the Halfling Backstab. The only thing I have learned so far is I need to find a way to fit in the 2 handed fighting feats..there are 3?

[Thrudh]

Point is B, not every character has to be built the same way. If that were the case, we'd all be playing dwarven tempest rangers or halfling iron monks or some other such build. Part of the fun in DDO is getting stuff done in more non-conventional ways with non-conventional groups. The OP plays this build, likes it, and I assume can play it well enough to contribute to a group.

Please Borror0, take off the metagame goggles once in awhile. I think you're beginning to take all things in DDO-land a bit too seriously my friend. Remember, can't spell metagame without "game". :)

Quoted for Truth.... You guys really pull out the "gimp" label way too easily...

[Blazer]

The only thing I have learned so far is I need to find a way to fit in the 2 handed fighting feats..there are 3?

Yes, there are three. Two Handed Fighting, Improved THF, and Greater THF.

[Borror0]

Quoted for Truth.... You guys really pull out the "gimp" label way too easily...

I rarely pull the gimp tag. I'd say 90% of the build I called gimp or needing rerolling are AC tanks without Intimidate.:D

[Borror0]

Once I pick up the Backstab goggles from (VoD?) I'm gonna grab the Halfling Backstab.

Why are you waiting?

[binnsr]

Fun fact, the original batman had Intimidate.:)

Fun fact #2. The original batman was called the "Cockroach with tools" on the Tharashk server 6 months before Grenfell published a nearly identical Batman build :) Too bad the guy who made that build has long since stopped playing.. :(

[Kamboe]

Fun fact, the original batman had Intimidate.:)

Bruce Wayne?




You do not contribute more in frontline than a batman build. Besides, batman builds have Intimidate... and can handle the aggro.


your telling me that my 32 str <unbuffed> with Wep Spec feats 2 handed does less than or equal to damage the damage of a Intimitank with 20 str?



Please refer me the build you're talking about.

I'm 95&#37; sure Momega from my guild doesn't have Intim. I don't believe I have ever seen him use it.

[Kamboe]

Why are you waiting?

lol whos says I'm waiting and not just getting as unlucky as my sorc with his Dragon Boots?

[binnsr]

Quoted for Truth.... You guys really pull out the "gimp" label way too easily...

Most of my characters are gimped :)

My Barb doesn't have Intimidate.. GIMP
My Cleric doesn't focus on healing.. GIMP
My Fighter doesn't have a 58 standing AC.. GIMP (plus he has 5 points each in diplomacy and swim!!)
My Pally was so gimp I moved him to another server .. GIMP
My Rogue totally kicks butt .. too bad the CKIO is a GIMP :D

[Kamboe]

Cleric that don't focus on healing, rather than focus on not having to heal[ie greater commanding so the mob can't do dmg] are better. but that belongs in the cleric forums so i will shut up. :)

[Forceonature]

If that were the case, we'd all be playing dwarven tempest rangers...

You mean there are other races and classes? Huh, who knew?

Point is, when you post a survivability build, and have average survivability characterstics, be prepared to take some flak. When I see the term "survivability fighter", I think Evasion + AC + UMD.

You don't have evasion, your AC is low, and your UMD is average.

[Kamboe]

I'm suprised no one is talking about saves..I know mine are alright, but Evasion is nothing if you don't save ;)

Force - Thats what everyone thinks I guess. When I think of Survivalbility I think - Saves, Heals, and Taking them down before they take you down.

[Blazer]

your telling me that my 32 str <unbuffed> with Wep Spec feats 2 handed does less than or equal to damage the damage of a Intimitank with 20 str?

I'm 95&#37; sure Momega from my guild doesn't have Intim. I don't believe I have ever seen him use it.

No Kamboe, but none of the intim builds I know of are sitting at 20 STR either. They've all got 30/32 STR with the same two Weapon Spec feats. 2hander will do more damage than a 1hander given the same feats/crit multiplier/crit range, obviously.

I've run with Mo a bunch and none of his builds have intimidate that I've noticed. But I'm not certain he's got DD and/or OL either, at least not on Momega and that's the char of his I usually run with when I see him.

The "Batman" builds that get mentioned on these forums were a fighter/pally/rogue mix that had full DD/Search/OL/Intim/UMD as well as sky-high AC with evasion since they could still wear +5 MFP and keep the evasion...yeah, I'm talking that long ago. There were many other builds that had the same classes and splits but not necessarily the same skill set. That's the batman aspect, the utility belt concept - going from offense (PA) to defense (CE/Intim) to healing/rezzing/buffing (UMD) to disarming (DD/Search) to lock-picking (OL).

[Kamboe]

I think certian toons of his have OL and DD, but not all...He has Momega, Mohe, Moshe, Mowe all with Rogue in them...i know Mohe has little if none OL and DD, not sure about rest.

[Blazer]

I think certian toons of his have OL and DD, but not all...He has Momega, Mohe, Moshe, Mowe all with Rogue in them...i know Mohe has little if none OL and DD, not sure about rest.

Yeah, I know the stable of characters of his are generally X fighter/Y paladin/Z rogue with rogue levels varying from 2-4 on them. I would guess the chars that have more rogue are more DD oriented.

[debo]

That's the batman aspect, the utility belt concept - going from offense (PA) to defense (CE/Intim) to healing/rezzing/buffing (UMD) to disarming (DD/Search) to lock-picking (OL).

We are all such nerds :D

[Aeneas]

seems like a cleric 12/monk2/fighter 2 could do it and do it better - dwarf of course.


But i don't think the build you have posted is bad by any means and i'm sure it's fun to play.

[binnsr]

We are all such nerds :D

http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nt2.php

[Kamboe]

seems like a cleric 12/monk2/fighter 2 could do it and do it better - dwarf of course.


But i don't think the build you have posted is bad by any means and i'm sure it's fun to play.

I was actually thinking of going 12 cleric once we hit lvl cap 28 :P

you know what..if DDO makes it to lvl cap 30 before I quit DDO, I will make a 12 cleric/ 2 monk/16 fighter

With Intimidate of coarse, right Salad Man?

[Aeneas]

No Kamboe, but none of the intim builds I know of are sitting at 20 STR either. They've all got 30/32 STR with the same two Weapon Spec feats. 2hander will do more damage than a 1hander given the same feats/crit multiplier/crit range, obviously.

my intim build has 18 str, 20 raged - but then again he's rogue based :p

[Blazer]

We are all such nerds :D

Yes, we really are. :p


my intim build has 18 str, 20 raged - but then again he's rogue based :p

And dwarf. ;)

[Kamboe]

How can I get his AC up then? PS - Im not rerollin for CE :)

[binnsr]

Ok..Ima turn around this forum then....How can I get his AC up? PS - Im not rerollin for CE :)

Chattering ring (+3 dodge)
Madstone Boots (+4 Natural Armor - i.e. undispellable Barkskin :D)
Shroud Insight weapon (+4 Insight)
splash Paladin (if LG and not capped)
+2 Alchemical Bonuses (when they get fixed to work with armor and shields)

that's an additional +10 (11-12 if you can splash pally) over your current 47.

For buffs,
+1 Haste
+1 Barkskin spell (over the madstone +4)
+4 Inspire Heroism
+2 Recitation
= +8
for a total increase of +18 over your current 47 .. or 65 without needing to reroll for CE.

[Kamboe]

So more buffs, raid equip, and rare collectables? lol I got some work to do :(

Chattering Ring..how would i fit that into my guy tho? Equip is on page 1

I am 99&#37; sure I am taking 2 lvls of Pally with next lvl raise. As you all have seen I love self healing and LoH is just another way to do it :)

2 Pally = +2 AC and Saves Arua, LoH, Wand usage w/o UMD(Can get rid of SF UMD so a feat), +5 to Saves(Divine Grace)

Madstone I have been looking for since he got flagged for SR, I'm constantly raiding him(which is how I have all my +3 tomes ;) ) but even on 20th run didn't see em

Madstone wouldn't give me +4 over the 47 I had calculated, that was with a Bark pot

[Borror0]

And somewhere and all of that your forgot to upgrade to tower shield.:D

+2 AC

[binnsr]

Equip:
Helm - +6 Wisdom
Goggles -Shroud Goggles(Improved Regen)[Will be changed soon]
Armor - +5 Mith FP
Bracers - Chaosgardes
Ring - Prot 5
Ring - Resist 4
Boots - +6 Dex
Gloves - +6 Str
Belt - Electric Haze(GFL/Hvy Fort)
Cloak - +6 Cha/Greater Resist
Trinket - Head of Good Fortune


So more buffs, raid equip, and rare collectables? lol I got some work to do :(

Chattering Ring..how would i fit that into my guy tho? Equip is on page 1


1) Helm - +6 Charisma
2) Goggles - Shroud N/P (gets you +6 Wisdom - my recommendation is +10hp(pos) at tier I and Poison/Fear Immunity at Tier II but you can obviously do whatever you want there :))
3) Cloak - +4 Resist
4) Ring = Chattering Ring

[binnsr]

And somewhere and all of that your forgot to upgrade to tower shield.:D

+2 AC

you'd think that with 2 intimitanks, i wouldn't forget things like tower shields :D

[Kamboe]

Tower Sheild cuts out Max Dex bonus, don't have enough APs to make a Tower Sheild work

[binnsr]

If you're serious about getting more AC, then you need to consider reworking your APs to fit it in..
I'd recommend cutting Extra DragonMark IV down to Extra DragonMark III and both of the Halfling Luck II enhancements back down to tier I .. that frees up enough APS for TSM II, which is enough for it.

[Kamboe]

Is giving up 1 Cure Light, 1 Cure Serious, 1 Full Heal, 1 Reflex, and 1 Will really worth 2 AC?

[Borror0]

I'd drop Fighter Haste Boost III & VI, instead.

[Kamboe]

Oooo would rather give up the heals and saves then my haste boost...I <3 Haste Boost 4