TwF - Intimitank (32pt Human - DPS)

[Artierius]

Howdy out there,

After reading several threads and writing down several builds...I thought I throw this guy out there. He is basically a Twf focused on Intimidate skill while dealing out Good Dps. He can Maintain a High AC while in the right parties and ofcourse having the right gear. His Saves will all be over the 30+ range and he will have evasion and some level of DR down the road.

But his main purpose is to hopefully to be able to tank single named mobs while using Intimidate / DPS and the pally skill Divine Righteousness. (x2 hate from damage and spells - I believe this alone with Twf and Khophesh...and some Exalted smites and Divine Sacrifices thrown in there will enable him to hold agro against almost anyone.)

Build concept is 8 Palli / 6 Fighter / 2 Monk.

32pt. Human - Lawful Good

Str – 14 +6 item / +4 level / +2 Fighter / +2 Favor tome = 28
Int – 12 +1 tome = 13
Wis – 14 +6 item = 20 (+2 tome = 22)
Dex – 16 +1 tome / +1 Human / +6 item = 24
Con – 14 +6 item = 20 (+2 tome = 22)
Cha – 8 +2 Palli / +6 item / +1 tome / +1 Human = 18

The build will require a +1 Int tome sometime before you take the 2nd monk level for CE. Also the +1 Dex tome before ImTwf is taken.

Feats –

1st – Twf
3rd – Skillfocus: Intim
6th – Human Mark: Least / Sentinal
9th – ImTwf
12th – ImCrit: Slash
15th – GtrTwf

Ftr - OsTwF
Ftr - Toughness
Ftr - PA
Ftr - TwoWep Def

Monk – Dodge (1st level)
Monk – Combat Expertise (4th level)

Human – Exotic: Khopesh (1st level)

Base Saves:

13 / 7 / 7
3 / 3 / 3 Palli Aura
4 / 4 / 4 Divine Grace
5 / 7 / 5 Stats
5 / 5 / 5 Resist
2 / 2 / 2 Recitation
4 / 4 / 4 Gtr. Hero

36 / 32 / 30

AC:

10 Base
4 Robe (Dodge)
7 Armor (Bracers)
5 Wisdom (+6)
7 Dex
5 Deflection
1 Dodge
3 Aura
3 Bark
1 TwD
5 CE

51 (52)

3 Chat Ring
1 Alchemical
4 Insight Wep

59 (60)

4 Shield Clickie
2 Recitation
1 Haste

66 (67)

2 Better Aura
2 Better Bark

70 (71)

4 Bard Buff

74 (75)

HP:

20 Heroic
80 Palli
60 Fighter
16 Monk
90 Con (106)
18 Tough
30 Palli Enh.
5 Lesser False

319 (335)

Temporary HP

18 Virtue
18 Aid
20 Bard

375 (391)

+45 Shroud item if aquired (max base: 380 / 436 temp)

Enhancements:

Palli Tough III
Palli Saves II
Palli Armor II
Palli Cha II
Extra Smite II
Divine Sacrifice I
Divine Rightous I
Exalted Smite I
LoH I
Extra Turn I
Tenacious Badger I
Ftr Str II
Ftr Intim II
Ftr Haste I
Ftr Crit I
Human Vers. IV
Human Stat I
Human Stat II
Improved Recovery II

Spells –
1st – Divine Favor / Virtue
2nd - Angelskin

Skills –

Concentration / Diplomancy / Heal – Palli levels (4 points / level = 32)
Balance / Concentration / Diplomancy / Jump / Spot / Tumble / Swim / Listen / Hide / MS – Monk (6 points / level = 6)
Swim / Repair / Jump / Intimidate - Fighter (4 points / level = 24)

1st level is Monk / 4 + 1 int *4 = 20 + 4 human = 24 points

Intimidate = 19 base / 2 Ftr / 2 Feat / 3 Feat / 1 Monk / 15 Item / 4 Cha / 4 GH / 2 Luck(Recitation) / 2 Bard Comp. / 5 Human Vers.(Burst - when needed) = 59 max (52 average / - Human Vers. & Bard) / (Can add another 1-4 points in enhancement feats from the human line as well if you sacrifice other enhancements to get you to 60-63 max...i.e. drop Improved Recovery II and get Deneith Intimidate III) (Alas..I forgot you can squeeze a few more points here with a shroud cha item..if aquired)

Total points for 16th level = 86

Level Progression

1 – Monk / 2 – Palli / 3 – Ftr / 4 – Monk / 5-16 alternate as needed between Palli / Ftr based on Feats taken.

This is a concept build enjoying the defenses of the palli / monk though enhancements / class skills and spells. He will have burst damage capability / and agro management through Intimidate / Divine Righteous / Sacrifice / Exalted Smite. A well rounded wand use …and can still get UMD if you like for alittle more versitility. Battle effectiveness should be good with Khopesh’s and the ability to up your BaB with Divine Favor. Though he still maintains a base +15 to hit. Keep OsTwf until you think you can lose 2 to hit and get another feat of your choosing if you like.

Also, yes you can pull off the gear slots even with needing 5 +6 items.

Head: Intimidate +15
Trink: Kardins Eye (+5 resist)
Necklace: +5 Deflection (with cap going up to 20, you can use the human least mark to get your +5 deflection bonus and put a +6 wisdom here)
Armor: Icy Robe
Bracers: AC: 7
Ring: +6 Con
Ring: Chattering
Cloak: +6 Cha
Gloves: +6 Str
Boots: +6 Dex
Belt: Heavy Fort / lesser false life
Googles: Greensteel (+6 wis and maybe +45 hp if you can / Also wisdom can go to necklace later and this slot can be whatever misc you want or need)

Weapons: Ofcourse the best you can get in greensteel.

Have fun with it.

[maddmatt70]

Well some interesting ideas here. There are multiple questions regarding this build.
1. fighter and paladin prestige enhancements are coming mod 8 and any fighter/ paladin build should try to take advantage of them. It is tough to project what they will be however so making a fighter paladin build like this is a risky endeavor.

2. Do you really want to get aggro? This build is designed to get aggro with the combination of intimidate and pally smites, but does it really want it. In a 6 person quest pulling the aggro from a caster sure that could be useful, but in a raid where you are running with other melees and only have mid50ish ac with buffs after extensive raid gear. I regularly run with ranger and rogues with monk splashes who have ac in the 70s and sword and board fighter types who have ac in the 60s - the other good aggro gather is a barbarian with alot of hit points that is an easy to heal because of it. . You can hit a 60 ac this might work, but are there other builds better at this..

3. Why Human?

4. Build comments: I see that you have alot of stats to worry about 14 str starting is on the low end however - if there is anyway you can upgrade that it would be fabulous. I don't think I would take the human dragonmark line, anything from power attack, etc. is more useful. You need weapon focus in order to get weapon spec so nix two weapon defense and pick up weapon focus.

[Artierius]

I will start with number 1...

1) No complaints here, I have read that pally's and fighter's are going to get some love. So this will either hurt or help the build one way or the other. I haven't started making it, so I will wait to see what comes out of it.

2) Yes, I really want the agro...:] , And while like most things in a build this one will make or break itself on the gear attained. I do however think a low 60's AC is not out of reach to most people, and with the help of your local cleric and caster helping you out there, also getting that insight weapon is a must pretty much. (probly go insight /transmuting to make it effective all the time)
Party make-up will help this build out alot with a diverse group and access to alot of different buffs.

3) I was thinking here that this will help others not have to have additional +2 tomes at start or ever to get decent stats...as humans get a good versitility here. Also Humans make the best Intimidating peeps with feats and enhancements they can have. I didnt put it in the build but Denieth Enhancements give even more Intimidate. Was going to try and work it in there with the Human Vers. also. And last but not least...Human Recovery to make the clerics happier.

4) I pretty much can't spare the points to get a 16 Str....however I can drop TwD for wep. focus: slash and that's like having a 16 str to hit. I have always had mixed feelings on PA...this doesn't need to be a max damage build, but good enough to make use of the damage it has with pally enhancements to keep any agro away from others....in that I think I can live without PA.

Again thank you Madd, always a pleasure to get constructive feedback....:]

If anyone else can think of anything, please feel free to comment.

[Averroes]

3. Why Human?


Because humans are the only race in-game capable of hitting the high water marks for intimidate.

Human = potentially 6 higher static intimidate than non-human, 11 higher buffed intimidate.


My next intimitank will almost certainly be human for that reason, although I'm likely to go dex-based for the higher AC potential...

[maddmatt70]

Because humans are the only race in-game capable of hitting the high water marks for intimidate.

Human = potentially 6 higher static intimidate than non-human, 11 higher buffed intimidate.


My next intimitank will almost certainly be human for that reason, although I'm likely to go dex-based for the higher AC potential...

Why do you need such a high intimidate? Is this kind of like the old barbarian who thinks they need 800 hp when 550 will do, but they nerf themselves in other areas in the build to get it.

[Averroes]

Why do you need such a high intimidate? Is this kind of like the old barbarian who thinks they need 800 hp when 550 will do, but they nerf themselves in other areas in the build to get it.

It's 56 to get Harry and Sally every time on normal. That's my target.

There's a big difference between failing on a 3 and never failing, particularly when you're turtled up and doing zero dps...


And I'd like to be running VoD regularly on hard and elite. The most efficient way I've found to do that is with an intimitank who has made the requisite sacrifices to get his intimidate and AC high enough... Unfortunately, I'm only aware of two characters with 52+ intimidate on Ghallanda (and one of 'em is mine, surprisingly enough). I imagine there are a few more, but I don't know 'em.

And an intimitank making build sacrifices to have sufficient intimidate to not fail on the current end-game is nothing at all like a barb building for hitpoints rather than DPS. The intimitank's role is to hold agro, and intimidate is the principle means by which he does so. The barb's principle role is DPS, and the excess hitpoints not only don't help the barb fill that role, they actually hinder him from doing so -- in order to have 600+ hitpoints on a barb, you absolutely have to give up DPS -- both feats and enhancements, and possibly item slots as well.

[maddmatt70]

It's 56 to get Harry and Sally every time on normal. That's my target.

There's a big difference between failing on a 3 and never failing, particularly when you're turtled up and doing zero dps...


And I'd like to be running VoD regularly on hard and elite. The most efficient way I've found to do that is with an intimitank who has made the requisite sacrifices to get his intimidate and AC high enough... Unfortunately, I'm only aware of two characters with 52+ intimidate on Ghallanda (and one of 'em is mine, surprisingly enough). I imagine there are a few more, but I don't know 'em.

And an intimitank making build sacrifices to have sufficient intimidate to not fail on the current end-game is nothing at all like a barb building for hitpoints rather than DPS. The intimitank's role is to hold agro, and intimidate is the principle means by which he does so. The barb's principle role is DPS, and the excess hitpoints not only don't help the barb fill that role, they actually hinder him from doing so -- in order to have 600+ hitpoints on a barb, you absolutely have to give up DPS -- both feats and enhancements, and possibly item slots as well.

Once again an intimidate tank spreads lies to further their own cause. There is no need for an intimidate tank on vod elite, hard, normal what have you.

[Averroes]

Once again an intimidate tank spreads lies to further their own cause. There is no need for an intimidate tank on vod elite, hard, normal what have you.

Lmao. This is just funny. What lies am I spreading?

Sure there are other ways, but I prefer not to throw lots of mana pots at it...

There's no need for anything in this game, but there are lots of things that are nice to have.

[maddmatt70]

Lmao. This is just funny. What lies am I spreading?

Sure there are other ways, but I prefer not to throw lots of mana pots at it...

There's no need for anything in this game, but there are lots of things that are nice to have.

There are other ways which throw down little or no mana pots..