Is it just me or is this ridiculous

[Seekoui_Thistleknot]

I was in a Greymoon quest on one of my lowbies (a monk/ranger AC build).

In part 1 I go up and attack the earth elementals. The cleric has 90% of his mana left and I got hit a couple of times brining my health down to 25% or so.

After the fight (still not healed) the cleric states that any twf's in the group better watch their bars because he wont waste his mana healing them.

He then goes on to state that twf's receive around 9 more damage a hit then sword and boards.

I have played PnP (for 10 years or so) and have played this game since it started (with a year and a half break) and have never heard that you take more damage without a sheild.

And not healing someone because they are a twf (even when they have a 40ac at lvl 7...)???

[~KindoRaber]

Just tell the cleric to watch out, because clerics can heal themselves you are not going to stand in the way of anything that will head for him after his misplaced soundburst.

My rogue had this problem once. I solved it by agro'ing what I could, running back to the cleric and bumping the "Diplomacy" key. Was worth it :)

Play your style. If you are becoming a drain, which you shouldn't in Greymoon as it is so dang short, then switch, but you definitely don't take more damage if you aren't using a shield.

[DelScorcho]

If you are a ranger, kite the mobs back to the cleric, take out a shield and shield block. Then, when the cleric is dead, kill the mobs, wand yourself up, and proceed.

[captain1z]

overall ............. yes.

In a chain of 20 attacks a lower AC will take more damage than a higher AC, no surprise here.

Its assumed if you have a shield then you have a higher AC. Monks break that assumption. I dont heal those who are wreckless........... I put em in a penalty box for up to 1 min, just long enough for their survival instincts to kick in. When you show me you are capable of defending yourself and not thinking "I'll just keep swinging wrecklessly, the cleric wont let ME die" then I will heal you.

He may have the view that 2 wpn fighters are wreckless and the guy with the shield has the highest AC........... both of these assumptions can be made by a person who has never played that type of character and in a few cases is 100% incorrect.

Given time we all find out, what we knew yesterday is a lot different from what we know today.


Just make sure you can self heal in a pinch and if the cleric still wont help out by healing, just let him take some of the agro and see how he does.


If I think someone is not holding up his end of the "team contract" I will turn invisible in a fight and heal, buff, do whatever I gotta do and let them deal with agro until Im ready to help again.

[Uproar]

Mark Cleric's name down. Don't invite or play in their groups again. Simple. A must.

[Uska]

You will usually have a lower ac so you will get hit taking more damage but on the other hand you will do more damage killing the mobs quicker which may lower the damage. I say call out and find a new cleric or party my cleric would still heal you if you fight twf, thw, or snb but if you zerg to far ahead of me dont expect me to chase you.

[VirieSquichie]

I was in a Greymoon quest on one of my lowbies (a monk/ranger AC build).

In part 1 I go up and attack the earth elementals. The cleric has 90% of his mana left and I got hit a couple of times brining my health down to 25% or so.

After the fight (still not healed) the cleric states that any twf's in the group better watch their bars because he wont waste his mana healing them.

He then goes on to state that twf's receive around 9 more damage a hit then sword and boards.

I have played PnP (for 10 years or so) and have played this game since it started (with a year and a half break) and have never heard that you take more damage without a sheild.

And not healing someone because they are a twf (even when they have a 40ac at lvl 7...)???

Methinks that cleric's player had Touch of Idiocy cast on him/her when he/she said that.

TWF's take a few more damage per hit, sure, but often get hit far far less than the sword and board guy. Overall, it's all a matter of the balance between damage dealt and damage taken. As long as you've got that ratio well on your side, it doesn't matter what's in your off hand.

Would the cleric refuse to heal the sword-and-board if they weren't killing things fast enough?

I'll bet that cleric won't heal a caster that doesn't haste said cleric...like, constantly...even when standing around waiting for the sixth character to zone in...

[Blagrak]

Maybe he was talking about the DR you can get from a shield, in which case you would get less damage when hit.

[DoctorWhofan]

Idiot.

Banned

stupid giving clerics a bad name

Or, if you do end up in a party with him again, just before you drop, make sure the party knows he doesn't heal TWF and god only knows what else.

[Lithic]

Maybe he was talking about the DR you can get from a shield, in which case you would get less damage when hit.

Only when blocking. And blocking for even 10% of the quest means you are taking damage with ZERO offensive ability. You dont get any damage reduction from a shield while attacking. Unless its an intimidator, I personally wouldnt want to see anyone blocking (Unless at like 10% hitpoints of course).

As for the cleric, just ignore them and heal yourself with wands. If they whine that its taking you too long with your cure light wands, tell them to go kill stuff and you'll be right behind them.

[Strakeln]

On my cleric, I heal whoever needs healing, regardless of how stupid they are being (unless doing so means that someone playing well will die as a result). It can be pretty entertaining sometimes.

On my other characters, they are completely self-sufficient (including my barb and monk), so if a cleric isn't healing, no problem with me. This can also be pretty entertaining sometimes. :D

[wamjratl1]

Did you mention to said cleric the extra damage you were dealing and tell him/her that if he/she would like to come smack the eliies around you would glady don a shield? Did you also ask the rest of the party's AC and compare it with your own (to see who's getting hit the most)? And don't monks take some huge penalty if using a shield (dunno i don't have one)? And yeah, often the one dishing out the most damage is also taking the most damage but at least he's killing stuff. Did you also tell the cleric that you would save him mana by self-healing between combat? I mean, I'm not saying clerics have to heal me, I try to be self sufficient and there are some great battle clerics out there, but if the cleric isn't nuking/fighting, nor is he healing, then what exactly is he doing? Oh wait I know... PIKING. "Do Not Group".

If you are on Ghallanda, I would like a PM with said cleric's name plz. "not wasting mana on TWF grumble grumble... idiot..."

[theblaz]

This is why I always come packed with around 300 pots to heal myself, and use paralyzers and trip liberally if the cleric decides to not heal quickly enough.

I'm also not shy asking "Why are you not healing?" so I can know why I'm never grouping with that cleric again, if need be.

Oddly, it seems I run into more jackass clerics on this board than in game.

Odd, that.

[ArkoHighStar]

Only when blocking. And blocking for even 10% of the quest means you are taking damage with ZERO offensive ability. You dont get any damage reduction from a shield while attacking. Unless its an intimidator, I personally wouldnt want to see anyone blocking (Unless at like 10% hitpoints of course).

As for the cleric, just ignore them and heal yourself with wands. If they whine that its taking you too long with your cure light wands, tell them to go kill stuff and you'll be right behind them.

the only time I will block is when I am consciously trying to not do damage say in shroud if I have of the named prepped and I have no cleric to mitigate damage, while my ac isn't high enough to keep from getting hit the DR does keep my health bar up for longer..

I would do as the others have stated just drag a mob back and hit the diplo button especially when playing my rogue:D

[EKKM]

Only when blocking. And blocking for even 10% of the quest means you are taking damage with ZERO offensive ability. You dont get any damage reduction from a shield while attacking. Unless its an intimidator, I personally wouldnt want to see anyone blocking (Unless at like 10% hitpoints of course).

As for the cleric, just ignore them and heal yourself with wands. If they whine that its taking you too long with your cure light wands, tell them to go kill stuff and you'll be right behind them.

EDIT: D'oh just noticed you said "unless it is an intimidator"

I often block on my intimitank. If the mobs can hit me regularly, I run into a group of mobs, mash itimidate and put up the sheild. At level 10 with a blocking DR of 22 and a normal AC of 45 before group buffs, the mobs rarely hit me, and if they do, they do minimal damage. Then the barbs, rangers and rogues can go to town without worrying about agro. Saves the cleric a lot of sp.

on topic: the cleric is a <donkey> who doesn't know what hes talking about.

[Impaqt]

Some People really should not be playing a cleric.

[negative]

Not to defend the cleric, but I suppose it's possible they are a returning player, from back in the day when SnB was king and to use anything else was stupid. It honestly sounds like that is the case from the decription in the OP. Not that that changes anything, they need to adjust and get with the times either way.

[Xenaphon]

Ummm why does an AC build Ranger/Monk need a cleric for healing? I think too many people become dependent on clerics to heal them. Against thrash mob, you should be able to handle your own heals.

[Frodo_Lives]

Sword and Board is still just as good as it ever was at lower - mid levels. A character using a sheild takes less damage at those levels because, generally, they get hit less often. Not that I'm defending the cleric, but more people should use shields for low and mid levels.

That being said, the cleric was a total idiot. It's the end of the quest so who cares how much sp you have left. TWF and THF are both very useful and can put out serious damage. On the right build even at lower levels it can be worth forgoing the extra AC.

There are players who are horrible at aggro management and take a ton more damage than they should or need to. There are some THF and TWF that even at low levels are very good and don't take a ton of damage. Painting an entire fighting style with a broad and rather incorrect statement is a great way to **** people off.

A cleric who does not heal someone who doesn't wear a sheild will find themselves without anyone to heal before too long because that has to be the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

[MissErres]

If you are on Ghallanda, I would like a PM with said cleric's name plz. "not wasting mana on TWF grumble grumble... idiot..."

Me too plz...


Ummm why does an AC build Ranger/Monk need a cleric for healing? I think too many people become dependent on clerics to heal them. Against thrash mob, you should be able to handle your own heals.

Totally missed the point...

[Kurlore]

My rogue had this problem once. I solved it by agro'ing what I could, running back to the cleric and bumping the "Diplomacy" key. Was worth it :)



Rofl, this is a classic manuever.

[MrWizard]

no matter who is right or who is wrong...

time to just call out and drop group and start a new one. Say, 'sorry but this is not fun for me, good luck'