Too Much

[thatguy]

I don't know about anyone else but I can't believe all the info coming out about DDO. I am completely overwhelmed with update news for DDO! So many articles, so little time! The marketing team should all get raises.:rolleyes:

[theblaz]

I'm sure the overwhelming wit from some of the posters will motivate them to get right on all of that for ya.

[GreyRogue]

I don't know about anyone else but I can't believe all the info coming out about DDO. I am completely overwhelmed with update news for DDO! So many articles, so little time! The marketing team should all get raises.:rolleyes:

I totally understand and share your frustration, but what exactly is this post supposed to accomplish?

[thatguy]

I totally understand and share your frustration, but what exactly is this post supposed to accomplish?

Oh my god, I'm sorry. I feel so ashamed.

[thatguy]

I totally understand and share your frustration, but what exactly is this post supposed to accomplish?

The point that needs to be made yet again is the complete lack of news to anything coming up for DDO. This is what needs to be said until Turbine gets it through there collective head that people don't like paying for something that they have little information on what to look forward too. Why pay for something you have no information on? So, to answer your question, that is what I am trying to accomplish.

[CSFurious]

after the monk, killing the WDA had to be the worst move Turbine made this year in DDO

it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that server populations are low right now because of the summertime & stagnant development of this game

based on those factors, and the fact that many 6-month subscriptions will need to be renewed in the next 4 to 8 weeks, one would wonder why the WDA was ever eliminated

you would think that Turbine would do everything possible to immediately increase interest in this game amongst the playerbase

i guess i must be stupid based on the elimination of the WDA

The point that needs to be made yet again is the complete lack of news to anything coming up for DDO. This is what needs to be said until Turbine gets it through there collective head that people don't like paying for something that they have little information on what to look forward too. Why pay for something you have no information on? So, to answer your question, that is what I am trying to accomplish.

[ArkoHighStar]

The point that needs to be made yet again is the complete lack of news to anything coming up for DDO. This is what needs to be said until Turbine gets it through there collective head that people don't like paying for something that they have little information on what to look forward too. Why pay for something you have no information on? So, to answer your question, that is what I am trying to accomplish.

well technically we are paying to play the game, not to see what is coming down the pipe, you can see that just as easily without a paid subscription(you just can't rant about it if it sucks). That being said however it is in my opinion a shame that they feel the need to keep everything including the contents of a minor update like mod 7.1 a secret

[branmakmuffin]

The point that needs to be made yet again is the complete lack of news to anything coming up for DDO. This is what needs to be said until Turbine gets it through there collective head that people don't like paying for something that they have little information on what to look forward too. Why pay for something you have no information on? So, to answer your question, that is what I am trying to accomplish.
You'd be better off showing your frustration by canceling your account. If you're paying, Turbine probably doesn't care how much you complain. If you cancel your subscription, that hits them where they live.

[dejafu]

One word: GenCon.

This is standard operating procedure for many RPG companies: if you've got major announcements or product releases around late summer, save it until GenCon. It's the biggest gaming event of the year, and you need to have something new to show. If you let too much leak out before then, then you don't have anything new to attract people to your booth and events. It's not a coincidence that the GenCon party is one of the top stories on the front page.

It's also probably not a coincidence that most of the 6 month subscriptions will be up for renewal right around that time. If all of the info (or even a significant chunk) was already out by now, any excitement would have worn off by that time, and the boards would have deteriorated into the usual nitpicking and arguments. If the info is released right before, however, the excitement/relief will be enough to tempt many people into renewing. It's a gamble, certainly, but it's also a textbook marketing strategy.

Don't expect to hear much of anything substantive until the middle of August. Now, if they don't have any news to offer then, I will be the first to join the naysayers and DOOOOOOOOM brigade. But as it stands right now, Turbine seems to pretty much be playing this one by the book, so I'm not sweating it too much.

[oogly54]

it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that server populations are low right now because of the summertime & stagnant development of this game

Really? Ghallanda is just a hopin' right now. There are several hound, reaver, shroud and VOD raids posted at the same time and do not take long to fill. Our guild is at an all time high for members. It is not uncommon to see 15+ LFMs at the same time each night. I am just a polymer chem. scientist though, maybe that is why I can't figure it out.

[Missing_Minds]

The point that needs to be made yet again is the complete lack of news to anything coming up for DDO. This is what needs to be said until Turbine gets it through there collective head that people don't like paying for something that they have little information on what to look forward too. Why pay for something you have no information on? So, to answer your question, that is what I am trying to accomplish.

Please tell me how much information you have about your electricity, your water, your sewage treatment, gas (if you use it), the food you eat, etc.

Feel free to start to complain about how little you know and you'll threaten to leave if you don't get what you want.

[wamjratl1]

Really? Ghallanda is just a hopin' right now. There are several hound, reaver, shroud and VOD raids posted at the same time and do not take long to fill. Our guild is at an all time high for members. It is not uncommon to see 15+ LFMs at the same time each night. I am just a polymer chem. scientist though, maybe that is why I can't figure it out.

Everyone vacations in Ghallanda.

[branmakmuffin]

Please tell me how much information you have about your electricity, your water, your sewage treatment, gas (if you use it), the food you eat, etc.

Feel free to start to complain about how little you know and you'll threaten to leave if you don't get what you want.
Inapt analogy. DDO is nothing like utilities, food, etc. Most of the things you mention are necessities and in many cases they are monopolies (as are many cable TV companies, which is why that comparison would also be inapt).

[ArkoHighStar]

Really? Ghallanda is just a hopin' right now. There are several hound, reaver, shroud and VOD raids posted at the same time and do not take long to fill. Our guild is at an all time high for members. It is not uncommon to see 15+ LFMs at the same time each night. I am just a polymer chem. scientist though, maybe that is why I can't figure it out.

for argo that is low population:D

[CSFurious]

actually members of my guild are vacationing on Ghallanda

i will probably be there in a couple of days maybe even tomorrow


Really? Ghallanda is just a hopin' right now. There are several hound, reaver, shroud and VOD raids posted at the same time and do not take long to fill. Our guild is at an all time high for members. It is not uncommon to see 15+ LFMs at the same time each night. I am just a polymer chem. scientist though, maybe that is why I can't figure it out.

[Ron]

But really, the point is the devs specifically said that "Loss of WDA != Wall of Silence". We were told we would somehow magically get MORE information from 3rd party sites than we did from the WDA and our own forums (I didn't believe that for a minute, but okay, I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happened).

Well, since the WDA went away, what I have seen pretty much amounts to a Wall of Silence.

[Aspenor]

But really, the point is the devs specifically said that "Loss of WDA != Wall of Silence". We were told we would somehow magically get MORE information from 3rd party sites than we did from the WDA and our own forums (I didn't believe that for a minute, but okay, I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happened).

Well, since the WDA went away, what I have seen pretty much amounts to a Wall of Silence.

/casts wall of silence on Ron

/skulks away to drink distillates

[Strakeln]

Tired of complaining? Tired of inaction? Do something! Boycott! Link in sig.

[MageLL]

Well we don't know everything but so far I have learned.

New spell coming (Avoid Death) coming in next module (from DDO Cast, Dev Interview #5)
Mod 7.1 coming this summer with Ice area, zone or quest(s)
Handwraps stats and such are being fixed next release
Fixed paladin annoying immunity message next release (DeadlyGazebo) http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=154089&page=2

Its scattered out but information is there, we just don't get it all in one place. Noticeably I have seen alot of new people in game, and not just people hopping servers. I mean true newbs. While at times annoying to group with, they are the lifeblood of ddo.

[Missing_Minds]

Inapt analogy. DDO is nothing like utilities, food, etc. Most of the things you mention are necessities and in many cases they are monopolies (as are many cable TV companies, which is why that comparison would also be inapt).

Incorrect, necessities are things such as food, shelter, and clothing.

The above cases that I listed are for the most part all services. Water is a case by case situtation. You can pay city or you can, if possible, dig a well. You are not required to have electricity, nor sewer, nor gas in order to live.

The analogy you listed is that you are paying for a service which you are being provided. Your complaint is that you are not getting any new information about said service, however, you have signed NOTHING in any agreement stating that you will be provided information. You really need to learn these things. Guess I'll be the one to break it to you. You have extreme few rights, but probably many privileges.


Tired of complaining? Tired of inaction? Do something! Boycott! Link in sig.

Emm.. I guess you have what, 2.5 more odd days before you go quiet for a month?

[suitepotato]

You'd be better off showing your frustration by canceling your account. If you're paying, Turbine probably doesn't care how much you complain. If you cancel your subscription, that hits them where they live.

Working in the net and tech sector, I can pretty **** well guarantee you the rule of the day is the dictum, "There's a sucker born every minute." and that modern net businesses which have crawled out of the sludge of the early net start-up Armageddon quite frequently strive mightily to seize defeat from the jaws of victory and still survive anyhow. For them the belief is that since no one appreciates the invisibly smoothly competent production, and prefers appeals to ego, doing it right the first time is not as good as doing it wrong the first time and smooching rear end afterward.

In other words, your gesture will be meaningless unless it is across the board, unified, without exception.

[branmakmuffin]

Incorrect, necessities are things such as food, shelter, and clothing.
One of the things you mentioned was "food." And try "shelter" in our modern Western world without "sewage," "electricity" and "water." And the only way to get these things in our society is to pay for them. If you lived in Manhattan, I guess you'd try sinking a well in the middle of the street just to prove your point.

To repeat, DDO is totally unlike water, sewer, electricity and food.


Your complaint is that you are not getting any new information about said service, however, you have signed NOTHING in any agreement stating that you will be provided information.
D00d, it's not my complaint.

[ShaeNightbird]

If you lived in Manhattan, I guess you'd try sinking a well in the middle of the street just to prove your point.

In Manhattan sometimes, streets sink in the middle and start filing with water seemingly out of nowhere... Well, well well,and then there's that sewage you mentioned... Sewage soup after a heavy rain. One more reason I don't live there anymore.


DDO is definitely nothing at all like this.

[branmakmuffin]

In Manhattan sometimes, streets sink in the middle and start filing with water seemingly out of nowhere... Well, well well,and then there's that sewage you mentioned... Sewage soup after a heavy rain. One more reason I don't live there anymore.

DDO is definitely nothing at all like this.
And you probably wouldn't want to drink that water, I'm guessing.

[ShaeNightbird]

Well, I did drain some off into old soda bottles and sold it to tourists...

[branmakmuffin]

Well, I did drain some off into old soda bottles and sold it to tourists...
That sounds very naughty.

[ShaeNightbird]

Oh boy!

[theblaz]

Oh, yay!

Bran's saying things again!

Maybe it'll be interesting this time......


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Yeah, probably not.

[branmakmuffin]

Oh, yay!

Bran's saying things again!

Maybe it'll be interesting this time.

Yeah, probably not.
Not if you're involved. I save the good stuff for the good stuff.

[Vua]

Oh, yay!

Bran's saying things again!

Maybe it'll be interesting this time......


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Yeah, probably not.

I don't know that it's interesting, but in this case he's right. Comparing info you have about life necessities and video games does not make a good analogy.

[Cold_Stele]

I don't know that it's interesting, but in this case he's right. Comparing info you have about life necessities and video games does not make a good analogy.

I actually just got off the phone to my water company - I was complaining that although I enjoyed the taste initially, it was less and less enjoyable as I'd been drinking the same stuff for a few months now. They absolutely refused to comment when I asked if there were any plans to change or update the taste, or at least start a WDA about it. Maybe I should get coke piped in instead?

[Turial]

Well we don't know everything but so far I have learned.

New spell coming (Avoid Death) coming in next module (from DDO Cast, Dev Interview #5)
Mod 7.1 coming this summer with Ice area, zone or quest(s)
Handwraps stats and such are being fixed next release
Fixed paladin annoying immunity message next release (DeadlyGazebo) http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=154089&page=2

Its scattered out but information is there, we just don't get it all in one place. Noticeably I have seen alot of new people in game, and not just people hopping servers. I mean true newbs. While at times annoying to group with, they are the lifeblood of ddo.

Spell is death pact...which still seems to have some bugs in it from what they said in the interview (mod 8 release is possible, though they didnt specify when it was coming).

Eladrin said there were cool things coming but not that they were in 7.1 as of the last thing he said about it.

Handwraps will likely be fixed as they figure out what causes each type to malfuction, so I would expect this fix to be spread out between 7.1 and mod 9 for a full fix.

While these things are nice its not a replacement for what the WDA was. The WDA was a one stop shop to get ideas on what was being worked on for the next mod. Currently these items could come as soon as 7.1 or by mod 9 which is as far out as they have talked about for mods. And currently the MMO websites are pretty quite for 3rd party info so a wall of silence it is right now.

[TommyBoy]

The point that needs to be made yet again is the complete lack of news to anything coming up for DDO. This is what needs to be said until Turbine gets it through there collective head that people don't like paying for something that they have little information on what to look forward too. Why pay for something you have no information on? So, to answer your question, that is what I am trying to accomplish.

I guess you don't listen to the pod cast. www.ddocast.com the past two weeks have had devs on there talking about upcoming stuff including gen con and pax.

[thatguy]

I guess you don't listen to the pod cast. www.ddocast.com the past two weeks have had devs on there talking about upcoming stuff including gen con and pax.

The pod casts do not give the in depth info the WDA used to give, nor is it a subsitute. They provide very little, but at least it is something.

[Mhykke]

The pod cats do not give the in depth info the WDA used to give, nor is it a subsitute. They provide very little, but at least it is something.



The pod cats don't......but those pod dogs are pretty in depth at times! :D:D;)

[thatguy]

The pod cats don't......but those pod dogs are pretty in depth at times! :D:D;)

Nice one, but I caught the typo.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Please tell me how much information you have about your electricity, your water, your sewage treatment, gas (if you use it), the food you eat, etc.

Feel free to start to complain about how little you know and you'll threaten to leave if you don't get what you want.

Actually all of those organizations put out quarterly reports on their accomplishments and plans for the future.

[Turial]

Please tell me how much information you have about your electricity, your water, your sewage treatment, gas (if you use it), the food you eat, etc.

Feel free to start to complain about how little you know and you'll threaten to leave if you don't get what you want.

As a quality assurace rep for my company I know quite a bit about these services and use many of the same providers at home. But this isn't a great example because these types of companies have to provide information if you ask for it where as turbine is not required to do so.

[Missing_Minds]

Actually all of those organizations put out quarterly reports on their accomplishments and plans for the future.

The only one I've seen do that around here is electric and that is ONLY because they are trying to hike up the bills again after not preforming maintaince on the lines for years. Now gas prices have caught up to them as well and they are trying to claim that as well. Gas prices I can accept, but not the maintance issues.

[Dawnblade]

The point that needs to be made yet again is the complete lack of news to anything coming up for DDO. This is what needs to be said until Turbine gets it through there collective head that people don't like paying for something that they have little information on what to look forward too. Why pay for something you have no information on? So, to answer your question, that is what I am trying to accomplish.

You are paying to play the game. Information has nothing to do with it. Most games you are lucky to get updates once a month. They dropped the WDA for a reason. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Plus they have given us an update recently. The harbor changes will be coming. It might not be what you were expecting but it's a development and information about it nonetheless.


well technically we are paying to play the game, not to see what is coming down the pipe, you can see that just as easily without a paid subscription(you just can't rant about it if it sucks). That being said however it is in my opinion a shame that they feel the need to keep everything including the contents of a minor update like mod 7.1 a secret

Arko pretty much summed it up right there. Regardless of if this is a game or a necessity, nowhere did I read that they were required to give out information on any specific intervals.

I'm not particularly happy about the lack of information. But it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the game.

[VirieSquichie]

Please tell me how much information you have about your electricity, your water, your sewage treatment, gas (if you use it), the food you eat, etc.

Feel free to start to complain about how little you know and you'll threaten to leave if you don't get what you want.

Let's see...electricity bill comes with a little one-page newsletter on things they think are important. Water has an annual quality report, probably mandated by some government agency or other. Sewage treatment, as long as the stuff is flowing AWAY from my house I'm pretty much good with the ignorance. Gas has a little newsletter thing too, iirc, but can't say I've ever actually looked at it.

I do look at food labels some times...especially when trying to find stuff for my kid (and to a lesser extent, myself) to eat that isn't packed with high fructose corn syrup. That stuff's everywhere.