Xirxx's - Intimiling Fighter - Fansie Famous

[Xirxx]

Preface:

I have been playing DDO since beta and decided to do one of these build type posts. I have leveled two characters to 14 then took a break - Sorceror and TWF Drow fighter. I realize that that fighter probably wont be able to do much in the endgame (41 AC or so standing) and decided to try an Intimidate tank.

I have poured over Riott's Intimitank and Borror's Dwarven Defender threads.
Clearly, I will not be able to make one as good as they have but why not see what I can do.
I have chosen to pick Halfling as the race.. mainly because I have a +5 MFP (Halfling RR).

Now, I sent a few emails to Borror and he suggested that I just play a Dwarf and UMD the armor but why not try something new? :)

The build:

Fansie Famous will be a Lawful Good Halfling 14 Fighter/2 Paladin. (maybe 12F/2P/2R)
Fansie is currently Level 1 Fighter/2 Paladin

Abilities:

STR - 15 (+1 Tome +4 Level +6 Item +2 Enh) = 28 (come on +3 tome!)
DEX - 15 (+1 Tome +6 Item) = 22
CON - 14 (+2 Tome +6 Item) = 22
INT - 12 (+1 Tome) = 13
WIS - 8
CHA - 12 (+2 Tome +6 Item) = 22

Current Build Status:

Gear:

Head: Founder's Helm
Trinket:
Necklace: AC Necklace
Armor: +1 Mithril Fullplate
Shield: +2 Heavy Shield
Weapon: +1 Khopesh of Lesser Undead Bane/Reptilian Bane/Thundering
Ring:
Ring:
Bracers:
Cloak: CHA +1
Googles:
Gloves:
Boots:

Armor Class:

+10 Base
+2 Dex Bonus
+9 Armor - +1 MFP
+4 Shield - +2 Heavy Shield
+1 Natural Armor Bonus
+1 Paladin Aura
+1 Halfing Size

28 Unbuffed

Feats:

1. Fighter - Exotic Weapon Proficieny: Khopesh, Weapon Focus : Slashing Weapons
2. Paladin - Force of Personality

Saves:

Fortitude - 11
Reflex - 6
Will - 6

Intimidate:

+9 Base

UMD:

+5 Base

Hit Points

+30 Base
+20 Dragonic Vitality
+6 Constituion
+5 Founder's Helm
61 Total

Leveling Notes

Google Docs Spreadsheet - Follow my progress - Fansie's Doc (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pLGv4mcyset1a3BXYyt9yRQ)
I just started him out and got to nearly level 3 but haven't leveled him up yet.
Does fairly well but I tried to do Bonebite on Hard and the Orge just killed me. I started to run Goodblades N/H/E.

Final Notes

So far, so good. Haven't decided to take the Rogue levels yet or not but I am going to get the Paladin levels out of the way on next two levels.

Credits

Borror's Dwarven Defender Post (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=124254) - I copied his post format... thanks Borror!
The "Riott" Tank - Original AC Intimitank (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=116482)

The Path To Power: A Critical Path Guide (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=122746)
The Lost Quest Guide (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=122192)

Updates

07/17/08 - Leveled to 3

[Xirxx]

Saved for future mods.

[Xirxx]

Saved for future info.

[Twerpp]

Hey man, I have a 11Fighter/3Pally/2rogue Halfy intimitank. I'm 54 intimidate with greater hero and no shroud item. The size penalty just really upsets me. It's enough to hit reaver and any non raid bosses on a 1, but Im really bummed about the -8 on Sulo endgame and not hitting him on a 1 where I could with another race :( . Just something to think about there if thats important to you. I'll make do with a +6 cha skill shroud item but, if I had to do it over with an intimitank, I'd go dwarf.

Also, your starting dex of 15 puts you at 24 if you consider the halfling dex enhancements. If you wanted to save some stat points you could go lower and still max the dex bonus in +5 MFP with maxed fighters armor mastery...consider too you may get a +2 or even +3 dex tome. But as is you are set up great to take full advantage of +5 Mith BP should you ever go rogue.

I think this is a very smart build to run in any case.

[Xirxx]

The size penalty just really upsets me.
what do you mean about the size penalty? for carrying or is there another penalty


Im really bummed about the -8 on Sulo endgame

what does this mean? Sorry, I took a break after a month after the abbot came out and just came back

[Blazer]

what do you mean about the size penalty? for carrying or is there another penalty

Halflings are considered small creatures. Humans/dwarves/elves/warforged are considered medium creatures. Trying to indimidate something that is one class size larger than yourself results in an automatic -4 penalty to the intimidation check. So for example, if a human is trying to intimidate another human (say some boss at the end of a dungeon), whatever his intimidate skill is listed as in his skill tab, that's what gets added to his d20 roll for intimidate. A halfling would automatically be a 4 less, due to the one class size difference. Now if a human is trying to intimidate a large class size creature, he's at a -4 penalty, while the halfling is at -8 (since it's two class sizes different). Make sense?


what does this mean? Sorry, I took a break after a month after the abbot came out and just came back

Sulu is the raid boss in one of the two newest raids added with Mod 7. His raid is called Vision of Destruction (abbreviated on these forums and in LFMs as VOD), lvl 18 raid, located under the marketplace. He's a large creature, so humans/dwarves/etc are at -4 to intimidate him, while halflings are at -8 to intimidate him.

[Riot]

Fansie Famous will be a Lawful Good Dwarven 14 Fighter/2 Paladin.

With halfling abilities?? LoL SEE I TOLD YOU ALL!!!! They're just Fat halflings!!

[maddmatt70]

I wouldn't make a true ac intimidate tank in DDO that didn't have evasion. I just wouldn't...

[Twerpp]

I wouldn't make a true ac intimidate tank in DDO that didn't have evasion. I just wouldn't...

Well there are different techniques to use... Notice if you tank directly in front of Sulo he does a lot more melee attacks (better for non-evasion intimitank), if you tumble back a step every couple seconds, he will throw a lot more AoE and less melee (better for the evasion intimitank). Thats just one example but it can work in many situations.

I agree though evasion, a high DR shield, and a high AC is **** near invincibility.

[Xirxx]

Halflings are considered small creatures. Humans/dwarves/elves/warforged are considered medium creatures. Trying to indimidate something that is one class size larger than yourself results in an automatic -4 penalty to the intimidation check. So for example, if a human is trying to intimidate another human (say some boss at the end of a dungeon), whatever his intimidate skill is listed as in his skill tab, that's what gets added to his d20 roll for intimidate. A halfling would automatically be a 4 less, due to the one class size difference. Now if a human is trying to intimidate a large class size creature, he's at a -4 penalty, while the halfling is at -8 (since it's two class sizes different). Make sense?

make a lot of sense... I never really played PnP DnD and is this fact listed anywhere in DDO? I was unaware of this.

[maddmatt70]

Well there are different techniques to use... Notice if you tank directly in front of Sulo he does a lot more melee attacks (better for non-evasion intimitank), if you tumble back a step every couple seconds, he will throw a lot more AoE and less melee (better for the evasion intimitank). Thats just one example but it can work in many situations.

I agree though evasion, a high DR shield, and a high AC is **** near invincibility.

So what does a non evasion intimitank have that is superior to an evasion one? The totally awesome level 13 and/or 14 fighter level. There is also the side benefits the of two non fighter levels - monk gets 2 feats and their wisdom bonus to ac and rogue gets 8 skill points a level and umd..

[Blazer]

make a lot of sense... I never really played PnP DnD and is this fact listed anywhere in DDO? I was unaware of this.

Not sure that it's listed explicitly anywhere in DDO literature (of course that's not saying much, lots isn't listed that probably should be), but you can often count on the d20srd for rules. Here's (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/intimidate.htm) the listing for intimidate. Note the first line under "Special".

[Twerpp]

So what does a non evasion intimitank have that is superior to an evasion one? The totally awesome level 13 and/or 14 fighter level. There is also the side benefits the of two non fighter levels - monk gets 2 feats and their wisdom bonus to ac and rogue gets 8 skill points a level and umd..


Nothing really at this point. A couple more ac, a feat, and a little more purity of class in case high level fighter enhancements or feats ever pop up.

[Borror0]

The size penalty just really upsets me. It's enough to hit reaver and any non raid bosses on a 1, but Im really bummed about the -8 on Sulo endgame and not hitting him on a 1 where I could with another race :( .

That's part of why I told him to just go dwarf.


Also, your starting dex of 15 puts you at 24 if you consider the halfling dex enhancements.

Yes, I agree with that. You could lower your Dex and get more Str, or Con. Just play with your end game enhancements.


make a lot of sense... I never really played PnP DnD and is this fact listed anywhere in DDO? I was unaware of this.

Yes, they FINALLY updated the tooltip for Intimidate last module for that. I actually warned you about that.

Now, they only need to take car of the 376374673 spells and feats with incomplete descriptions. :)

[Borror0]

Not sure that it's listed explicitly anywhere in DDO literature (of course that's not saying much, lots isn't listed that probably should be), but you can often count on the d20srd for rules. Here's (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/intimidate.htm) the listing for intimidate. Note the first line under "Special".

Well, outside from the in-game tooltip, there is the wiki (http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Intimidate).

[Borror0]

Nothing really at this point. A couple more ac, a feat, and a little more purity of class in case high level fighter enhancements or feats ever pop up.

Yeah, that's more the idea there...

[Xirxx]

Yes, they FINALLY updated the tooltip for Intimidate last module for that. I actually warned you about that.

:)

wasn't sure what you meant.. :) anyways, at most.. it will be a few weeks out of my life if it doesn't work out like I like it. that is the great thing about this game... don't like something? start over!

I haven't eaten any +2 tomes (not like, I have any) and the +1 tomes are cheap on the AH now.

[maddmatt70]

Yeah, that's more the idea there...

Borro, I would be mightily surprised if the prestige classes part II occurred at a higher level then 16 so 4 splash levels seems like a good move when the cap is 20. They have also claimed that they want to raise the cap to 20 by the end of the year so the guess is they are going to cap it up soon. So if the OP misses out in Mod8 then by mod 9 he should be o.k. This is all guesses because they could just have a level 12 tier II mini prestige class like way of the assassin II.. All I know is 2 levels of whatever evasion is better then level 13 and level 14 fighter right now...

[Borror0]

All I know is 2 levels of whatever evasion is better then level 13 and level 14 fighter right now...

I don't disagree with that.

[Riot]

With game resists and prot availibility, I still think evasion is overrated by many.
(I do have it on my rogue/wiz and my halfling hurler, so I know it's benefit)
I don't have it on Riott, and I don't miss it.

Now Improved Evasion is a different story. But that's not easily accessable.