Shroud Speed Runs

[Aspenor]

What's your fastest??? This is ours so far....2nd 32 min run in a row.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/liquid150/ScreenShot00227.jpg

[debo]

that's pretty good... you guys went so fast you forgot to loot :)

[sirgog]

That's cool, might try to get a good group together and beat that.

Next time you do it, any chance of leaving a stopwatch running and giving us the times you hit each altar?

[Aspenor]

That's cool, might try to get a good group together and beat that.

Next time you do it, any chance of leaving a stopwatch running and giving us the times you hit each altar?

I can try but I'll need to buy a cheap stopwatch :( I know we were at the first altar somewhere around 9 minutes. We also almost took down the fiend in 1 round in part 4 on the second run.

The first run, however, we did have 1 person DDoor out.

[maddmatt70]

I can try but I'll need to buy a cheap stopwatch :( I know we were at the first altar somewhere around 9 minutes. We also almost took down the fiend in 1 round in part 4 on the second run.

The first run, however, we did have 1 person DDoor out.

Impressive to have done the raid that fast without having taken down the pit fiend in round 1 because every additional round seems to add an extra couple of min.

[Aspenor]

Impressive to have done the raid that fast without having taken down the pit fiend in round 1 because every additional round seems to add an extra couple of min.

Yeah he was only at 3%. Too bad we didnt have a bard :( It was that run in the screenshot.

[Mhykke]

Yeah he was only at 3%. Too bad we didnt have a bard :( It was that run in the screenshot.

I blame the lag.

It was mad laggy in there on part 4, something which I never see. I'm not sure, but I think we had 1 death b/c heals/cures weren't going off.

[Aspenor]

I blame the lag.

It was mad laggy in there on part 4, something which I never see. I'm not sure, but I think we had 1 death b/c heals/cures weren't going off.

Oh yeah I forgot about that lag in part 4. It seemed that we had so much DPS going on that the instance slowed down to a crawl. I know I lost a lot of swings to the lag.

[Mhykke]

Oh, and you can go much faster than this time. We still haven't had a real smooth part 2 yet. In these speed runs, part 2 seems to be bogged down for some reason.

Also, need better coordination on part 3. Seems we lost time there as well. I guess some of that is due to the fact that we're not really planning for the best time, we just get in and zerg.

Oh, and let's not forget that we had to go into the 2nd round in part 4 b/c of the lag.

All in all, I can easily see shaving 5-10 minutes off the raid. Mid 20's is what I'm guessing as optimal.

*Edit ----

Oh yeah, and also would've been much faster if we didn't have that plat farmer, xxyyzz, with us!!!! :D

[Qzipoun]

Oh yeah I forgot about that lag in part 4. It seemed that we had so much DPS going on that the instance slowed down to a crawl. I know I lost a lot of swings to the lag.

I had that same problem this morning. We had 9 tanks dual wielding on the pit fiend and he was EASILY going to die within one round (didn't even have a bard, was quite surprising) but then everything came to a crawl and the 2 clerics asked us to step out because it was too laggy for them to heal us :(

[HeavenlyCloud]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/Defclone/ScreenShot00122.jpg

:( could use a lot more of two weapon fighters and 1 less cleric

[Vahyor]

Durned clerics, always in the way.

[HeavenlyCloud]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/Defclone/ScreenShot00124.jpg

Again slow in part 4 :( 1 and a half round.

[bandyman1]

See...SEE.

Down to 29 mins now.

You just needed my uber pally :D.

/flexes

[Aspenor]

See...SEE.

Down to 29 mins now.

You just needed my uber pally :D.

/flexes

I think it's pretty clear that it was due to my uber leadership abilities /flex

[Mhykke]

The only conclusion I've come to when looking at these screenshots is that I must talk a lot. My name is green in every shot.

[Aspenor]

The only conclusion I've come to when looking at these screenshots is that I must talk a lot. My name is green in every shot.

I wouldn't know. I squelch you every time I get in party with you :p

[bandyman1]

The only conclusion I've come to when looking at these screenshots is that I must talk a lot. My name is green in every shot.

Of course you were talking;

In all the other shots, you were explaining to everyone how " It would have been faster if Selyra was with us ".

And in the last one, you were praising my 16th level pure elven paladin uberness :D.

[Mhykke]

Of course you were talking;

In all the other shots, you were explaining to everyone how " It would have been faster if Selyra was with us ".

And in the last one, you were praising my 16th level pure elven paladin uberness :D.


Actually, in the first shots, I was being thankful that Selyra wasn't with us.

In the last shot, I was asking: "Who the **** invited this guy?" :D

[Yaga_Nub]

We'll get it down to 25 min. Once I get Wyllye Shroud ready, the Pit Fiend will die in the first round after I smack him with my pimp hand. He won't even come back for part 5, he'll just hand the four lts. hand over the loot and leave. :)

[bandyman1]

Actually, in the first shots, I was being thankful that Selyra wasn't with us. I understand man. I'll try not to show up your gimped ranger in the future :)

In the last shot, I was asking: "Who the **** invited this guy?" :D I know man. So; Who DID invite Aspenor again?

Comments in Red :D

/flex

[Beherit_Baphomar]

We'll get it down to 25 min. Once I get Wyllye Shroud ready, the Pit Fiend will die in the first round after I smack him with my pimp hand. He won't even come back for part 5, he'll just hand the four lts. hand over the loot and leave. :)

You're dillusional.

[Yaga_Nub]

You're dillusional.

It's delusional and you haven't realized that by now?

[HeavenlyCloud]

We got it in 26 minutes now :D perfect run except for the caster who forgot to shrine and couldn't kill Arraetrikos in 1 round :(

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/Defclone/ScreenShot00130-1.jpg


Had Fire Elemental, Bearded Devil, Troll and Orc.

[Galacticus]

You forgot to mention that Drakkos finished a 5x5...true story

:eek: :)

[HeavenlyCloud]

Woot 25 minutes! Still having problems in part 4 because of the lag monster :(.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/Defclone/ScreenShot00145-1.jpg

Mobs were Bearded Devil, Earth Elemental, Orc and Troll.

[Aspenor]

'twas a good run. ;) was about the smoothest part 2 i have ever seen. it maybe took like...3 minutes tops lol

[Mhykke]

We were robbed.

If it wasn't for lag, part 4 would've been done in 1 round, and you're looking at shaving at least 2 minutes off that time.

[Gunga]

Dammit. xferring toon now. My best time was 47 min. So much time wasted...

[Aspenor]

Dammit. xferring toon now. My best time was 47 min. So much time wasted...

I can understand why. It's gotta be hard to do a speed run with all your party-mates taking AFK to clean their dentures. :eek::D:p

[alchilito]

Argo pwns

[maddmatt70]

Argo pwns

Really?

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Ok so I guess some people in group wanted to do a speed run on a whim and really we only formed to help our buddy Dromir get his 16th run in so we had no intention of trying to put the perfect speed run together. Of course we have some great players in party anyways so we thought we'd give it a shot for fun and here's our time.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Nilla/ScreenShot00059.jpg

Uhm y... pretty good for a bunch of goofballs on a Wednesday night.

[kahbel]

Ok so I guess some people in group wanted to do a speed run on a whim and really we only formed to help our buddy Dromir get his 16th run in so we had no intention of trying to put the perfect speed run together. Of course we have some great players in party anyways so we thought we'd give it a shot for fun and here's our time.


Uhm y... pretty good for a bunch of goofballs on a Wednesday night.


I only brought it up because I was tired and didnt think I'd be able to stay awake for 40mins :p

[Aspenor]

Oh nos!! A challenge!!!! We will usurp!!! :)

Gratz guys!

We're pretty sure we can get it down to 19 or so minutes, but thats about as fast as it can be done.

The Shroud is a LOT more fun when you run it that way, is it not????

[Mhykke]

Ok so I guess some people in group wanted to do a speed run on a whim and really we only formed to help our buddy Dromir get his 16th run in so we had no intention of trying to put the perfect speed run together. Of course we have some great players in party anyways so we thought we'd give it a shot for fun and here's our time.

Uhm y... pretty good for a bunch of goofballs on a Wednesday night.


Just to be clear, none of our speed runs were "planned." That is to say, we never tried to put a party together to see what the fastest time was we could get/the "perfect" run. We just form up on whatever character people want to bring and run it quickly, pugging spots often.

That being said, it's an impressive time, and if we wish to beat it, might have to get lucky w/ people being on their highest dps characters at the same time, or, we have to plan for it.

[Aspenor]

Just to be clear, none of our speed runs were "planned." That is to say, we never tried to put a party together to see what the fastest time was we could get/the "perfect" run. We just form up on whatever character people want to bring and run it quickly, pugging spots often.

That being said, it's an impressive time, and if we wish to beat it, might have to get lucky w/ people being on their highest dps characters at the same time, or, we have to plan for it.

Oh yeah, we've PUG'd out a lot of spots. I wonder how many wet noodles came on our speed runs?

[maddmatt70]

Oh yeah, we've PUG'd out a lot of spots. I wonder how many wet noodles came on our speed runs?

Hehe.. We had no plan to do it until right before entry, no idea, and had never even tried to do well a 'speed run'. That is all I have to say.

[Aspenor]

Hehe.. We had no plan to do it until right before entry, no idea, and had never even tried to do well a 'speed run'. That is all I have to say.

It's not that hard. We had figured we'd at least have some competition in this thread at some point. I'm surprised it took so friggin long.

Experience doing them has very little to do with actually doing them well. All you need to have is knowledgeable players and the right frame of mind.

[Mhykke]

Hehe.. We had no plan to do it until right before entry, no idea, and had never even tried to do well a 'speed run'. That is all I have to say.


Don't know what you're trying to say. We don't have a "plan" either to do it before entry, nor we don't even know who's coming.

[Aspenor]

Don't know what you're trying to say. We don't have a "plan" either to do it before entry, nor we don't even know who's coming.

I think he's tryin to say they are teh uberz! ;) But really, the irony in the posts previous to their screenshot is obvious.

[Anastasios]

Hehe.. We had no plan to do it until right before entry, no idea, and had never even tried to do well a 'speed run'. That is all I have to say.

So what you are saying is none of you have ever done a speed run, which makes it a bit more questionable because if a group has no experience in the way a speed run is done then may I ask how you managed 22 mins?

By you saying 'we' you are saying the whole group and speaking for everyone there. It's a nice time, but not a time that is put up by random players or by people who have never zerg'd the Shroud before, something to think about next time.

[Doktr_Strangelove]

So what you are saying is none of you have ever done a speed run, which makes it a bit more questionable because if a group has no experience in the way a speed run is done then may I ask how you managed 22 mins?

By you saying 'we' you are saying the whole group and speaking for everyone there. It's a nice time, but not a time that is put up by random players or by people who have never zerg'd the Shroud before, something to think about next time.

Well what MadMatt is trying to get at is that generally speaking most have us have never set out to do a speed run but I have to admit I've been on 1 or 2 several months back when Axer (Shade on the forums) pulled a bunch of us together and had confidence that we could speed through the shroud based on our abilities (I'm sure his intentions were purely to intensify a raid for some of us who have completed it well over 200 times and just want loot fast) but we never approached anything close to this time since we never thought about it that hard. I didn't even know this thread existed till Chelsea said something and suggested it. For me the reality is that it helps to have experience in trying these types of runs but it's more than just knowledgable players and the frame of mind that someone earlier suggested. Being lucky in what LT group you get in phase 2/5 would be big but to me it really helps if the group is properly prepared to maximise anything that would reduce completion time and for us that came from a cumulative agreement and contribution to methodology/execution. I acknowledge our friend Mavnimo who may be incredibly dry leading raids haha but anything he says in my experience has always been for the benefit of completing any raid efficiently and his suggestions really rounded out our effort.

I suppose posting our completion time belittles the efforts of the previous teams attempts to have beaten them in one random try but the nature of this thread suggests a competition of sorts. I don't want to disrespect anyone's attempts because one of my guildies who's had terrible luck pugging shroud raids having failed several recently obviously means that there are many players who could benefit from better methods and execution to just complete the raid consistently. I think it would be great if more people benefitted from our efforts to at least understand what needs to done and to help to contribute to their own raid teams.

[Mhykke]

I suppose posting our completion time belittles the efforts of the previous teams attempts to have beaten them in one random try....

I keep seeing this theme of "random" and "whim" when you're talking about your run. I don't get the insinuation. Is the insinuation that somehow the earlier teams and times were somehow "planned out?"

I can assure you, they were not "planned" in any way. Nobody was told to bring specific characters, ever, in order to facilitate a shroud run. All the shroud runs we do are fast runs, b/c it's the only challenge left in there. And furthermore, a good number of shroud runs were LFMS pugging out spots. There was not a single run that was carefully planned out, or coordinated, beforehand. Not a single one that I was a part of.


Also, the 22 min. run doesn't belittle anything previous to it. You are correct that this is a friendly competition of fast runs. I had no problem with the 22 min. run you posted, and I was excited to try and beat it. That's why I posted:




That being said, it's an impressive time, and if we wish to beat it, might have to get lucky w/ people being on their highest dps characters at the same time, or, we have to plan for it.

The thing that I find kind of odd is the theme of people in that run are trying to push. A uniform theme of "and this was just a random group, no planning!" as somehow a suggestion that the previous runs were preplanned.

[Do'Urden]

More loot now faster!!!!!!!!

[Shagn]

I was in that 22 minute run. :) I joined randomly, and a speed run was mentioned just before we went in. Nobody swapped toons either. I had never done a speed run before (my quickest was 48 minutes I think). You can see from the screenshot that many of us were from different guilds. In no way was it an optimal group for a speed run, but it worked out very well. The only planning was to skip looting, only shrine if you needed mana or clickies refreshed, and we called out who was on what mob in part2 (like fire) if a certain one showed up. Everybody was (re)buffed on the run. We only stopped to buff just before going into part 4. We snuffed out the pit fiend in one pass before the blades even got to us - even with a lag monster on our backs for a good hard 30 seconds. We did not do any tree humping or pool jumping, and killed the 4th lieutenant in part5 where he stood. I think in total we only used like 3 mana pots. Was a great 19th run for my barb! Completion still took an hour because I stood around for 40 minutes reminiscing. :o

You could probably bust the 20 minute barrier with 2 battle clerics, one caster, one warchanter dps bard, and the rest barbs. :cool:

[Mhykke]

I was in that 22 minute run. :) I joined randomly, and a speed run was mentioned just before we went in. Nobody swapped toons either.

yes, that's the point. your run was random, as were all the previous runs posted in the thread.


I had never done a speed run before (my quickest was 48 minutes I think). You can see from the screenshot that many of us were from different guilds. In no way was it an optimal group for a speed run,

I'd disagree here. It's pretty darn close to an optimal speed run group. 1 caster, 1 bard, 2 clercs, over half the rest barbs or rangers. If I ever plan a speed run group, I'd probably pick almost this very spread.

but it worked out very well. The only planning was to skip looting, only shrine if you needed mana or clickies refreshed, and we called out who was on what mob in part2 (like fire) if a certain one showed up. Everybody was (re)buffed on the run. We only stopped to buff just before going into part 4. We snuffed out the pit fiend in one pass before the blades even got to us - even with a lag monster on our backs for a good hard 30 seconds. We did not do any tree humping or pool jumping, and killed the 4th lieutenant in part5 where he stood. I think in total we only used like 3 mana pots. Was a great 19th run for my barb! Completion still took an hour because I stood around for 40 minutes reminiscing. :o

You could probably bust the 20 minute barrier with 2 battle clerics, one caster, one warchanter dps bard, and the rest barbs. :cool:

I'd probably prefer more str based melee rangers than barbs.


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[Amabel]

Wow. 22 minutes is turbo. Nice work guys.

[tomasdarkell]

It's ok Matt and dok it seems some may be a little upset cause we beat there little run in one try,Awwww it's ok you can try again,hahahahahaha :D

[Mhykke]

It's ok Matt and dok it seems some may be a little upset cause we beat there little run in one try,Awwww it's ok you can try again,hahahahahaha :D


Yeah, real upset. That's why I said right away that it was impressive and we'd need to either plan or get lucky and all be on our highest DPS characters to beat the time. :rolleyes:
Go read the first couple reactions to the time. I don't see any anger. The only contentions being raised were after it was made a point to describe the new record as on a whim/not preplanned/random, suggesting that other runs posted in the thread were somehow carefully planned.


Oh, and since it's your first time, I look forward of your times in the mid teens.....I mean, since it was all unplanned and your first time and all, your improvement should be stellar. I can't wait.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Ok so I guess some people in group wanted to do a speed run on a whim and really we only formed to help our buddy Dromir get his 16th run in so we had no intention of trying to put the perfect speed run together. Of course we have some great players in party anyways so we thought we'd give it a shot for fun and here's our time.


Uhm y... pretty good for a bunch of goofballs on a Wednesday night.

Woot nice job guys :D looking forward for the next Speed Shroud :D lets see how fast anyone can do it!

[Bunker]

Ok so I guess some people in group wanted to do a speed run on a whim and really we only formed to help our buddy Dromir get his 16th run in so we had no intention of trying to put the perfect speed run together. Of course we have some great players in party anyways so we thought we'd give it a shot for fun and here's our time.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Nilla/ScreenShot00059.jpg

Uhm y... pretty good for a bunch of goofballs on a Wednesday night.

I was with a group today that did a 45 minute run. We goofed off for at least 15 minutes that I can think of so I know first had a 30 minute run can be possible. Now seeing a 22 minute run. WOW! /hatsoff


It's ok Matt and dok it seems some may be a little upset cause we beat there little run in one try,Awwww it's ok you can try again,hahahahahaha :D


Though with comments like this, a 22 minute completion doesn't mean Cowpie since ppl find it neccessary to stomp on others who have posted previous fast times to your 22.

Sad and Lame.

[tomasdarkell]

Though with comments like this, a 22 minute completion doesn't mean Cowpie since ppl find it neccessary to stomp on others who have posted previous fast times to your 22.

Sad and Lame.




First of all I was just tring to defend my guildees,who several people decided to disect everyword they said when all they did was post a time that they were impressed with.So they said "Random" and such ,they never said the other groups didn't or anything about the other groups.Second "find it neccessary to stomp"?Why cause I was tried to egg them on a little,So it's normal for any sports fan at a game to heckle each other(my team is better then yours,ect....)But I crossed the line,give me a break.If you dont get that your "Sad and Lame!!

And last to Asp. and mhykke never meant to "stomp" you ,I hope ya do beat the time,so we can try to beat that :)As someone in this thread said,it makes a raid that we have done hundreds of times interesting.So good luck to all :D

[Mhykke]

First of all I was just tring to defend my guildees,who several people decided to disect everyword they said when all they did was post a time that they were impressed with.So they said "Random" and such ,they never said the other groups didn't or anything about the other groups.Second "find it neccessary to stomp"?Why cause I was tried to egg them on a little,So it's normal for any sports fan at a game to heckle each other(my team is better then yours,ect....)But I crossed the line,give me a break.If you dont get that your "Sad and Lame!!

And last to Asp. and mhykke never meant to "stomp" you ,I hope ya do beat the time,so we can try to beat that :)As someone in this thread said,it makes a raid that we have done hundreds of times interesting.So good luck to all :D


It's all good man.

I do agree, it makes the raid interesting. Introduces a challenge into it again. Definitely makes it fun.

I felt the same way when I saw your time, I liked the idea of having another time to try and shoot for..

[Aspenor]

First of all I was just tring to defend my guildees,who several people decided to disect everyword they said when all they did was post a time that they were impressed with.So they said "Random" and such ,they never said the other groups didn't or anything about the other groups.Second "find it neccessary to stomp"?Why cause I was tried to egg them on a little,So it's normal for any sports fan at a game to heckle each other(my team is better then yours,ect....)But I crossed the line,give me a break.If you dont get that your "Sad and Lame!!

And last to Asp. and mhykke never meant to "stomp" you ,I hope ya do beat the time,so we can try to beat that :)As someone in this thread said,it makes a raid that we have done hundreds of times interesting.So good luck to all :D

I really didn't feel stomped by you, at all. So no hard feelings. This is meant to be a friendly thread, and honestly if people let it devolve into a flamewar and get it closed I will be rather upset.

Not pointing fingers in any direction, just wanted to make it clear, as the OP, that I expect people to be good sports.

This thread was started very early in the "speed runs" era, when we ran 2 runs in a row at the same time. I just thought it would be a fun thread, and perhaps give people on other servers an idea for a way to make their gaming experience more fun.

On that note, I advise that everyone comparing runs as "randomly put together" or "planned" take a step back and do some introspection as to your personal reasons for wanting to make themselves sound better than others. People's insecurity about video game uberness is beginning to show, so lets drop that conversation and leave the "we didn't plan it so we're teh uberz" out of it, because you don't know how the other groups were put together.

Cheers.

[eyepuppy]

Very good times people. I often times like to zerg this quest. I hate going into groups where they want to buff at each shrine so much. Just haste and GO! It's not that hard of a quest, but people want to take so much time to do needless things. Not saying buffs are needless, but come on. The shroud has been out for a while now. You don't need fifty buffs going into parts one and two. That's silly. Just go in and start beating on the portals. Casters should be able to buff while you are in there fighting. It's not that big of a deal.

Good work on these runs people. We managed a 30 minute pug run on Ghallanda about a month ago. Never really tried a speed run since then.

[Aspenor]

**** wrong thread lol silly mozilla windows

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Ok so a bunch of us had been thinking about the whole speed shroud run so we thought about it a little more. We looked around to see who was online and asked some friends to bring their highest dps guys to make a second attempt. Some people are the same, some are different and we ended up with the same time! I think we had a tougher LT group and the earth elemental got hung up a bit around the corner so I think we lost some time in phases 2 and 5. Solid effort though and we were able to get through the lag with no deaths... always a good thing. Maybe one team will beat this time yet!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00075.jpg

[HeavenlyCloud]

Ok so a bunch of us had been thinking about the whole speed shroud run so we thought about it a little more. We looked around to see who was online and asked some friends to bring their highest dps guys to make a second attempt. Some people are the same, some are different and we ended up with the same time! I think we had a tougher LT group and the earth elemental got hung up a bit around the corner so I think we lost some time in phases 2 and 5. Solid effort though and we were able to get through the lag with no deaths... always a good thing. Maybe one team will beat this time yet!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00075.jpg

It's not a real speed run without Blah! ;)

Nice job guys. keep the screenshots coming!

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Definitely not the smoothest run but hey, it was elite and it's not like we run elite very often so bit of an adjustment (wake up call) for what's involved. We had a little bit of bad timing on phase 2 and had to repull the group and take em down again, that lion is really fast!. We had one tank go down in phase 4 and we also had a little bit of trouble with a player dc'ing but he got back in time for an attempt at a kill steal. We also had a few ranged players making general dps less but it was safer for who we had with us for survivability. A bunch of deaths in phase 5 (taking rezes too close to him or right when blades are coming isn't a good thing haha) but we thought we'd give it a try and post a time of 56 mins as a starting bench mark. I guess we'll see how much better other groups can do!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00082.jpg

[Mhykke]

Still say 17-19 minutes doable.....we had to kill lion twice in part 2......maybe an off peak time run to cut out some of the lag would help:

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii143/mykeuva/ScreenShot00000.jpg

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Here we are with some great friends and great players beating our own time with 20 mins. Pretty slick run so I'm not entirely sure if we could shave alot more time off this run since we didn't idle too much. Maybe at most 2 mins more if we had gotten lucky with the best LT group. Anyways as always, a nice little screen shot to confirm. Keep it up guys someone's gotta break 20!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00086.jpg

[Mhykke]

Here we are with some great friends and great players beating our own time with 20 mins. Pretty slick run so I'm not entirely sure if we could shave alot more time off this run since we didn't idle too much. Maybe at most 2 mins more if we had gotten lucky with the best LT group. Anyways as always, a nice little screen shot to confirm. Keep it up guys someone's gotta break 20!




You think doing it off peak hours would help?

If that reduces lag at all, it might be the best way to get under 20...the lag is just killer.

And congrats on the time!

[HeavenlyCloud]

You think doing it off peak hours would help?

If that reduces lag at all, it might be the best way to get under 20...the lag is just killer.

And congrats on the time!

You are jelous!!!

Like i said is not a real speed run without Blah ;) congrats guys! keep it coming.

[Dark-Star]

All of our speed runs have been later at night, but not planned that way. The lag is still heavy, especially in part 4.

[nakedfatguy]

Here we are with some great friends and great players beating our own time with 20 mins. Pretty slick run so I'm not entirely sure if we could shave alot more time off this run since we didn't idle too much. Maybe at most 2 mins more if we had gotten lucky with the best LT group. Anyways as always, a nice little screen shot to confirm. Keep it up guys someone's gotta break 20!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00086.jpg


that was lots of fun :D as far as lag goes, seems like the more dps you have the worse the lag gets. didnt matter tho since he went down before the blades even got there in the first round, lol. :eek:

[boldarblood]

Man you guys are lucky to make that time with Art healing :P It's always his fault.

Good job guys.

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Lag didn't seem that bad for me this time as the first 22 min run but I didn't bother waiting to see if people got hurt but periodically just spammed mass heals figuring that the group would get him down in one pass. I find it funny when there is always a difference in what we see and hear and comments from people over voice. Good thing is no one lagged out so bad that they couldn't still run to the shrine before phase 5. Outside of the time, I just want to point out that I doubled the warchanter in kills somehow where I never made any attempt to kill anything unlike that killstealing Dymanda! Anyways, it just seems like we've been doing them later in the evening since we're all from different guilds and each group does a few things with thier own guildies before we find each other to do something a bit different. I will say that I'll make a point not to take Okri on a run again... or at least not to heal him specifically.

[maddmatt70]

Outside of the time, I just want to point out that I doubled the warchanter in kills somehow where I never made any attempt to kill anything unlike that killstealing Dymanda! .

Bah that is because I was too busy healing and buffing while you were looking pretty...

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Ok so because of our ability to do the shroud fairly quickly we just started running them more often with a bunch of people from different guilds just to get em done in one day for most of us then we'd get back at it in 3 days. After all this time we fluked out and finally broke the 20 min mark. Nice work people!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00102.jpg

[digz]

:)

[sirgog]

Ok so because of our ability to do the shroud fairly quickly we just started running them more often with a bunch of people from different guilds just to get em done in one day for most of us then we'd get back at it in 3 days. After all this time we fluked out and finally broke the 20 min mark. Nice work people!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00102.jpg

Wow.

[nakedfatguy]

Did you let jubblies die on purpose again? gj guys, but would have been 18 if i was there :p

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Did you let jubblies die on purpose again? gj guys, but would have been 18 if i was there :p

Actually, she wasn't the only one... the lag got so bad she was one of like 3 people who were full health... then dead! She was pretty surprised herself but she didn't flip me off this time... or maybe I'm just used to repressing her comments to me of the 'you let me die again Dok' nature. Even my offhanded comments about the uselessness of warforged didn't equal Repairrobot's death... he somehow survived. We missed a few of the record setting players from before so it's nice to see that the little speed run methodology we've come to know has spread amongst a lot of good and capable players from around server (I think there was 4 different guilds in this run) to pull off good times without having to really think about or plan a record breaking run. I think this was shroud run number two of six for the evening and turned out to be the best yet!

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Well here we are again with yet another record breaking run with some of the same some of the old on our latest speed run day off raid timer and again run #2 of 6.... we'll see if I repost again after we're done for the night!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Rong/ScreenShot00107.jpg

[mehlinda]

Oh yeah I forgot about that lag in part 4. It seemed that we had so much DPS going on that the instance slowed down to a crawl. I know I lost a lot of swings to the lag.

I have been in 2 runs where we killed fiend in 1 round in part 4. On both occasions there was so much lag that we were still fighting him and seeing damage after we got the message that he was dead for more than 5 seconds. I have talked to others who have said they had little to no lag on 1 round kills but on both occasions where i was in the group the lag started as soon as we were beating him down and ended after he died on my screen. i t was my impression that the damage output was causing it.

[ArkoHighStar]

Actually, she wasn't the only one... the lag got so bad she was one of like 3 people who were full health... then dead! She was pretty surprised herself but she didn't flip me off this time... or maybe I'm just used to repressing her comments to me of the 'you let me die again Dok' nature. Even my offhanded comments about the uselessness of warforged didn't equal Repairrobot's death... he somehow survived. We missed a few of the record setting players from before so it's nice to see that the little speed run methodology we've come to know has spread amongst a lot of good and capable players from around server (I think there was 4 different guilds in this run) to pull off good times without having to really think about or plan a record breaking run. I think this was shroud run number two of six for the evening and turned out to be the best yet!

we experienced the same thing on our runs at about 10% healthin part 5 all of a sudden people would just drop dead as if a whole bunch of damage caught up with them

[digz]

:)

[nakedfatguy]

Told you it'd be 18 if i was there! :p

nice job guys, that was fun.....crazy lag tho. you guys were saying "18 mins!" and i was still fighting him :(

[Desteria]

we experienced the same thing on our runs at about 10% healthin part 5 all of a sudden people would just drop dead as if a whole bunch of damage caught up with them

I belive the lag gis not soo much the dmage beign doen but a large amont of HIt information have to travel bakc and forth to the server ie lots of TWF peopel doing Weapon dmage+sneak+force+holy+aicd+slicing+busrts X 2 weapons, THEN if your doign a one round kill often about 15% is when the blades might start to get to the group adding a TONE of more information swarmign back about the AE dmaage the blades are doing....

Teh key is when you start geting 'DPS' lag just ahve your clerics cast the healign spells every few seconds no matter what peoiple look like 99% of the time this will kepe every one up. you dotn see the damage or the healign it just sorta happens any way ;)

[Desteria]

Well here we are again with yet another record breaking run with some of the same some of the old on our latest speed run day off raid timer and again run #2 of 6.... we'll see if I repost again after we're done for the night!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Rong/ScreenShot00107.jpg

Well no more 18 min or less runs but we did also have 3 or 4 20 misn runs tonight...
See you again in 3 days hopefully with a 17 or better :)

[HeavenlyCloud]

Congrats on the new time! :) The shroud is just another loot run now.

[maddmatt70]

we experienced the same thing on our runs at about 10% healthin part 5 all of a sudden people would just drop dead as if a whole bunch of damage caught up with them

To reiterate Desteria's comment. The clerics have 1400-1700 spell points which is plenty. Just assume its going to only take one round and mass cure non stop. The groups we have been having if the pit fiend makes it to round 2 he usually only has 10% or less of his hit points total so not much healing is required in round 2 anyway.

[maddmatt70]

Told you it'd be 18 if i was there! :p

(

Thank you Naked for shaving 1 minute off the time due to your leetness... Woot..

[Doktr_Strangelove]

I belive the lag gis not soo much the dmage beign doen but a large amont of HIt information have to travel bakc and forth to the server ie lots of TWF peopel doing Weapon dmage+sneak+force+holy+aicd+slicing+busrts X 2 weapons, THEN if your doign a one round kill often about 15% is when the blades might start to get to the group adding a TONE of more information swarmign back about the AE dmaage the blades are doing....

Teh key is when you start geting 'DPS' lag just ahve your clerics cast the healign spells every few seconds no matter what peoiple look like 99% of the time this will kepe every one up. you dotn see the damage or the healign it just sorta happens any way ;)

You know the absolute funniest thing about this post? How you have all the time in the world and yet you still manage to mispell or mistype everything! You need a real time spelling correction application, a stenographer, or perhaps a specialised typing wand for those gimpy fingers. I think you forgot to mention any lightning strikes or the 10-20 crit polar rays mav had; one run I think I hit 894, I knew getting those bracers would account for something.

Since it appears that the ol twf builds seem to be ideal for the best damage (other than Beloez's sweet axe) perhaps we'll have to try for another record when Sereena isn't on her paladin (good thing she's never on the forums otherwise she'd kill me for saying something haha). We had 5 guilds represented this time and I am glad that at least one of these record runs I wasn't on a cleric AND we also didn't have a warforged in party!

You know we might actually have to plan to bring specific toons for the ultimate run some day...

[ArkoHighStar]

To reiterate Desteria's comment. The clerics have 1400-1700 spell points which is plenty. Just assume its going to only take one round and mass cure non stop. The groups we have been having if the pit fiend makes it to round 2 he usually only has 10% or less of his hit points total so not much healing is required in round 2 anyway.

part 4 is not the problem I am talking about part 5, and it was not a mana thing, but a lag thing, our group was all melee, 9 rangers and one warchanter bard. He was at about 10% health on part 5 where 2 or 3 people just went from full health to dead despite the fact taht we were spamming mass healing with plenty of mana, it looked like it was just lag and nothing more. But on all our runs it seemed to right around that point because for the first 90% it was not issue and everyone pretty had decent health. As I said it was like a whole bunch of damage to the players lagged and then was dumped on them in one shot killing them.

[ArkoHighStar]

I belive the lag gis not soo much the dmage beign doen but a large amont of HIt information have to travel bakc and forth to the server ie lots of TWF peopel doing Weapon dmage+sneak+force+holy+aicd+slicing+busrts X 2 weapons, THEN if your doign a one round kill often about 15% is when the blades might start to get to the group adding a TONE of more information swarmign back about the AE dmaage the blades are doing....

Teh key is when you start geting 'DPS' lag just ahve your clerics cast the healign spells every few seconds no matter what peoiple look like 99% of the time this will kepe every one up. you dotn see the damage or the healign it just sorta happens any way ;)

agreed and the deaths just seemed to be 2 or 3 players in particular, our speed run had no casters and was all melee except for the clerics so the dps lag was very pronounced, although in part 4 it did not seem to bother the clerics at all just the melees noticed it, except on one run where the final seconds seemed like slide show for all involved, despite that fact the spammed heals kept going fine. Same on part 5 some lag in general, but spamming mass heals in concert worked fine and mana was in good shap, just all of a sudden peopel were dead. All the while the rest kept getting their mass heals just fine.

[maddmatt70]

part 4 is not the problem I am talking about part 5, and it was not a mana thing, but a lag thing, our group was all melee, 9 rangers and one warchanter bard. He was at about 10% health on part 5 where 2 or 3 people just went from full health to dead despite the fact taht we were spamming mass healing with plenty of mana, it looked like it was just lag and nothing more. But on all our runs it seemed to right around that point because for the first 90% it was not issue and everyone pretty had decent health. As I said it was like a whole bunch of damage to the players lagged and then was dumped on them in one shot killing them.

Exact same principle on part 5 as part 4 and if anything the lag is worse for us on part 4.

[digz]

i just spam mass heals fast as i can , we kill him so fast i dont use all my mana with empower and quicken on. But i can solo heal Shroud with him.

The cleric i had on that run has 1815sp.

[Dark-Star]

Or bring a toon that doesn't get hit ;)

[Doktr_Strangelove]

I don't recall when it was that we tried to do this on elite but I'm sure it was a month ago or so. I think all these speed runs on normal have given us great practice to post a ~23 min improvement. We didn't use a ton of resources and not too many deaths. Took us three rounds in phase 4 and it might be tough to get it down to 2. Great work all!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Artec/ScreenShot00112.jpg

[digz]

oh ya!!

[Lithic]

agreed and the deaths just seemed to be 2 or 3 players in particular, our speed run had no casters and was all melee except for the clerics so the dps lag was very pronounced, although in part 4 it did not seem to bother the clerics at all just the melees noticed it, except on one run where the final seconds seemed like slide show for all involved, despite that fact the spammed heals kept going fine. Same on part 5 some lag in general, but spamming mass heals in concert worked fine and mana was in good shap, just all of a sudden peopel were dead. All the while the rest kept getting their mass heals just fine.

I've noticed something in the shroud. When Im on my ranger/monk/wizard, I almost never get the bad lag unless I start spamming my monk attacks (void fist and the lightning one, w/e its called). Usually I am the only monk in the group, though I've noticed much more lag when another monk is meleeing. Makes me wonder if a big part of that is the monk special attacks.

[nakedfatguy]

I don't recall when it was that we tried to do this on elite but I'm sure it was a month ago or so. I think all these speed runs on normal have given us great practice to post a ~23 min improvement. We didn't use a ton of resources and not too many deaths. Took us three rounds in phase 4 and it might be tough to get it down to 2. Great work all!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Artec/ScreenShot00112.jpg

that was bad a$$! so much fun. :D

[Gunga]

that was bad a$$! so much fun. :D

Maybe I'm being hypercritical here, but does it disturb anyone else that a guy named nakedfatguy uses the term badass when he's having fun?

[Tulsa_Doom]

Great fun. Sry I had the double whammy on cleric later in the runs with the a) getting stuck on other side of portal in part3 and b) then dcing without coming back ( I did try :( ). But to back to the elite shroud, it rocked except the loot ; Digz and Xeku gemmed and potioned me to death :P.

[digz]

lol :p

[maddmatt70]

Took us three rounds in phase 4 and it might be tough to get it down to 2.


I was on a run quite sometime ago led by Axer where we killed him in 2 rounds on part 4 elite. There were only 2 clerics, 1 bard, and not sure if we had a caster or not that run.

I feel like this run was a bigger accomplishment then the 18 min run. I can't wait to try this again and see if we can get it under 30 minutes on an elite shroud which would pretty much be the bomb, heck better yet lets see if we can't hit under 25 minutes.

[HeavenlyCloud]

I was on a run quite sometime ago led by Axer where we killed him in 2 rounds on part 4 elite. There were only 2 clerics, 1 bard, and not sure if we had a caster or not that run.

I feel like this run was a bigger accomplishment then the 18 min run. I can't wait to try this again and see if we can get it under 30 minutes on an elite shroud which would pretty much be the bomb, heck better yet lets see if we can't hit under 25 minutes.

This is the only reason i want to transfer to Khyber. Elite Shroud runs are non-existant on Argo :(.

Keep the screenshots coming!

[nakedfatguy]

Maybe I'm being hypercritical here, but does it disturb anyone else that a guy named nakedfatguy uses the term badass when he's having fun?


just be glad i didnt mention the pimples :o

[Gunga]

just be glad i didnt mention the pimples :o

You also didn't mention your leather chair. I am grateful.

[Doktr_Strangelove]

This is the only reason i want to transfer to Khyber. Elite Shroud runs are non-existant on Argo :(.

Keep the screenshots coming!

Elite runs are rarely advertised, at least as far as I've seen, so I'm going to assume that if any are run it's usually within a group of friends or guild. Outside of doing it for the favor or challenge we haven't even seen much of an improvement in loot at all and in fact we've seen lots of gems and ridiculous items like wands of cure light wounds!

[nakedfatguy]

Elite runs are rarely advertised, at least as far as I've seen, so I'm going to assume that if any are run it's usually within a group of friends or guild. Outside of doing it for the favor or challenge we haven't even seen much of an improvement in loot at all and in fact we've seen lots of gems and ridiculous items like wands of cure light wounds!


yeah, i dont ever see myself doing an elite pug run. we might pull in 1 or 2 puggers, but a full pug run could be ugly.

As for the loot, i saw a bit of a difference....more 128k's than usual, but still pretty underwhelming. If they up'ed the ingredient drop then it'd get done more often.

[Doktr_Strangelove]

yeah, i dont ever see myself doing an elite pug run. we might pull in 1 or 2 puggers, but a full pug run could be ugly.

As for the loot, i saw a bit of a difference....more 128k's than usual, but still pretty underwhelming. If they up'ed the ingredient drop then it'd get done more often.

On this note I'd specifically like to request an increase in scales and stones and way, way, way, way less bones.... OR the inclusing of a conversion guy like in the Gianthold who will take my enormously useless pile of large bones that I could convert to practically anything else. I suppose there were a few more higher priced useless weapons but it'd be nice if we saw some actual interesting things among the few runs we tried rather than finding wands of cure light wounds; not even +2 tome for anyone (3 runs x 12 people x 12 chests = 432 moments of disappointment).

[sirgog]

Elite runs are rarely advertised, at least as far as I've seen, so I'm going to assume that if any are run it's usually within a group of friends or guild. Outside of doing it for the favor or challenge we haven't even seen much of an improvement in loot at all and in fact we've seen lots of gems and ridiculous items like wands of cure light wounds!

On Hard and Elite, some better stuff can drop e.g. +7 AC bracers (or +8 RR) on hard/elite; Archmagi items on hard/elite (RR only); +4 W/P on Elite (+5 RR); +4 Holy Silver of Greater Evil Outsider Bane (+5 RR) on Elite; as well as some cool novelty items like +5 Vorpals that aren't as good but will trade well.

But yeah, it's not better by enough to warrant doing Hard/Elite as a loot run (beyond part 3 anyway; 1-3 hard or elite is a solid lootrun if the group is good).

[maddmatt70]

Elite runs are rarely advertised, at least as far as I've seen, so I'm going to assume that if any are run it's usually within a group of friends or guild. Outside of doing it for the favor or challenge we haven't even seen much of an improvement in loot at all and in fact we've seen lots of gems and ridiculous items like wands of cure light wounds!

It sure could be a loot run on hard or elite if the loot appeared to make a huge difference. This last speed run set we had two 26 min hard speed runs, a 37 min elite, and 44 min elite speed runs. I personally felt pretty drained by the time we finished the 4th speed run (the 44 min elite speed run) and I think the group needed a break in general from the intensity of the first 4 so we did the last two on normal.

[weyoun]

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp27/mahans99/ScreenShot00015.jpg?t=1224557583

[digz]

Nice! Is that getting the puzzles?

[weyoun]

i solved mine.

[Epitome]

Most of the puzzles...not all however.

[maddmatt70]

Congratulations Thelanis and thanks for giving khyber something to shoot for. Might give it a go tomorrow if lag cooperates - for sure in the next 4 days.

Norg

[nakedfatguy]

nice

[Aspenor]

Most of the puzzles...not all however.

Cheetz!!!

JK!!!

Nice time, maybe if we can actually scrap up a full unpugged run we'll give this time a go....

[Renegade66]

I solved mine. Or, I should say Turbine solved mine. The 3x3 was solved when I zoned in. We had no intention though of spending time on a speed run getting bonus chests or breaking crates and finding traps for extra XP. Kind of a funny question to ask. It's like asking my wife after she rushes me to the Emergency Room for choking on a chicken bone at lunch if she had dessert and stopped for gas on the way.

[weyoun]

i had a one-mover 4x4 so i solved it. i had 12 hp at the time cause i had just been killed by an orthon at the portal in part 2, rezzed and zoned in. wish i had a screenie of that one. there was no clean up at all and when i got to the crystal i was completely mobbed. the uber-orthon could not be fingered either so it was pretty dicey there.

[Renegade66]

i had a one-mover 4x4 so i solved it. i had 12 hp at the time cause i had just been killed by an orthon at the portal in part 2, rezzed and zoned in. wish i had a screenie of that one. there was no clean up at all and when i got to the crystal i was completely mobbed. the uber-orthon could not be fingered either so it was pretty dicey there.

Silence Noob! Solid Fog ftw. Spawnscreen yourself and chug a barkskin pot and you should be able to stand in the middle of that horde and not take a point of damage on your Sorc.

[Tulsa_Doom]

I solved mine. Or, I should say Turbine solved mine. The 3x3 was solved when I zoned in. We had no intention though of spending time on a speed run getting bonus chests or breaking crates and finding traps for extra XP. Kind of a funny question to ask. It's like asking my wife after she rushes me to the Emergency Room for choking on a chicken bone at lunch if she had dessert and stopped for gas on the way.


No its not, originally this was just a way to collect more larges/loot faster. I mean if you can't solve the puzzle fast just say so. :P. Good job on the 16 min run.

[weyoun]

Silence Noob! Solid Fog ftw. Spawnscreen yourself and chug a barkskin pot and you should be able to stand in the middle of that horde and not take a point of damage on your Sorc.

Wow, Uberrrrr! next time i will. thanks for the tip

[Renegade66]

Huh? Larges on phase 3? Caring about puzzle solving on a speed run? In general, if one doesn't know what they are talking about it's typically best not to critique those that do.

Thanks for the grats.

[juniorpfactors]

No its not, originally this was just a way to collect more larges/loot faster. I mean if you can't solve the puzzle fast just say so. :P. Good job on the 16 min run.

No really its all about getting done especially when Mirta and Lysol are in it, noone wants to here the Noob, sleetstorm, kid voice for an entire 42 minute pug run:eek:, so the entire server has decided to get em done faster, eliminating the amount of mirta/lysolism that we all enjoy so much.... NOOBs, go switch-out your spell at the shrine so we can do " sleetstorm, wait, wait let him slide" Hey give me a freedom FTW:D ... hey did you see I smited him for 42 extra damage, and a sneak attack of 128 uber. " you killed Arritrikos!!" uber....

jrp

[ace_mason]

Thelanis FTW!!!
"If your not first you're last":D

[Tulsa_Doom]

Huh? Larges on phase 3? Caring about puzzle solving on a speed run? In general, if one doesn't know what they are talking about it's typically best not to critique those that do.

Thanks for the grats.

Get over your world wide self. Read my whole post I said larges/loot. I'm sorry I have to clarify, that meant the whole run. :P We didnt not solve the puzzles because we didnt see it as such a big time waster. We were doing them casually before you guys stepped in and took such an interest. Not much to do in game so we will see if we can beat your 16 min run. Grats again but please leave your silly uberness at the door. In general, I give a d*** about someone who thinks he knows what hes talking about, typically its best for children to stay silent.

[Renegade66]

Kewl! Make sure you break all the boxes or it doesn't count!

[Renegade66]

Thelanis FTW!!!
"If your not first you're last":D

Or, my personal favorite.
"Second place is the first loser" :eek:

[Tulsa_Doom]

K that was pretty funny. Btw wasnt trying to invalidate your accomplishment by mentioning the puzzles or lack thereof.

[Aspenor]

Huh? Larges on phase 3? Caring about puzzle solving on a speed run? In general, if one doesn't know what they are talking about it's typically best not to critique those that do.

Thanks for the grats.

Well, on all our "speed runs" every puzzle was completed every run....not saying that makes up the difference in time, just saying that if you're gonna be aggressively pushing the time and you don't even complete all the puzzles, don't tell anybody that they don't know what they are talking about.

The first speed runs of the Shroud occurred on my server, among my circle of friends. I suppose the standard of beating the puzzles had been previously commonly accepted...

[weyoun]

sounds like whining to me

[weyoun]

the elite record is going down next ladies

[Renegade66]

and really bad planning.

Did you loot as well? How about shrine? We skipped those too. Does that mean our run doesn't count and that you and your circle of friends are still tops?

So you did a speed run and weren't smart enough to figure out how to save a bit of time by not doing extra work to get bonus chests. Big deal. I'm surprised you would sink to stating your oversight instead is really an unspoken "standard" for counting the run as legit. That's soft.

[weyoun]

and really bad planning.

Did you loot as well? How about shrine? We skipped those too. Does that mean our run doesn't count and that you and your circle of friends are still tops?

Wait a minute, let me check with my guild leader . . . yup yup, you guys are still tops.

[Aspenor]

and really bad planning.

Did you loot as well? How about shrine? We skipped those too. Does that mean our run doesn't count and that you and your circle of friends are still tops?

of course we didn't loot, or buff, and shrines were only used when necessary, and on the run.

i never said it invalidated your run, i offer you kudos on it!

just saying next time, do all the puzzles. you're running the shroud for loot after all...and it's not like it takes much time at all. 1 minute tops even for a 5x5 if you're prepared.

all the nonsense aside, try and keep the attacks out of my thread. this thread has always been intended to promote friendly rivalry and competition, but it is not a forum for trash-talking or demeaning each other (this meant for both sides of the discussion).

[Renegade66]

of course we didn't loot

Of course you didn't loot. That's obviously not part of the "Unspoken Standard". However, skipping chests is. Oh wait, loot = chests, so that means you skipped chests too. Hmmm, I'm confused. As far as trash talking goes and asking me to leave your thread - I think you know better. Just having fun here. You have to admit you lead with your chin there.

[weyoun]

I guess this is the Aspenor and His Circle of Friends Shroud Speed Run thread. If I follow all your rules do I get to post here or is it still just for you and your buddies? Oh and I'm just having fun here too.

[vtecfiend99]

I guess this is the Aspenor and His Circle of Friends Shroud Speed Run thread. If I follow all your rules do I get to post here or is it still just for you and your buddies? Oh and I'm just having fun here too.

hey ur not banned!



meth

[Aspenor]

I guess this is the Aspenor and His Circle of Friends Shroud Speed Run thread. If I follow all your rules do I get to post here or is it still just for you and your buddies? Oh and I'm just having fun here too.

keep it clean, that's all I said. your reading comprehension skills are stellar.

[weyoun]

Clean? What's unclean about the posts? And you're the one descending to ad hominems about my reading comprehension skills there buddy. Keep your council to yourself.

[Aspenor]

Clean? What's unclean about the posts? And you're the one descending to ad hominems about my reading comprehension skills there buddy. Keep your council to yourself.
Well, since you asked....


Huh? Larges on phase 3? Caring about puzzle solving on a speed run? In general, if one doesn't know what they are talking about it's typically best not to critique those that do.

Thanks for the grats.


Get over your world wide self. Read my whole post I said larges/loot. I'm sorry I have to clarify, that meant the whole run. :P We didnt not solve the puzzles because we didnt see it as such a big time waster. We were doing them casually before you guys stepped in and took such an interest. Not much to do in game so we will see if we can beat your 16 min run. Grats again but please leave your silly uberness at the door. In general, I give a d*** about someone who thinks he knows what hes talking about, typically its best for children to stay silent.


sounds like whining to me

Note that not all quotes come from one side. Thanks for playing.

[weyoun]

your quotes are a far cry from being unclean. but i understand that you are playing by your own rules here, just like you're playing by your own rules as to what constitutes a legitimate shroud speed run. get over it, you guys are slow.

[Aspenor]

your quotes are a far cry from being unclean. but i understand that you are playing by your own rules here, just like you're playing by your own rules as to what constitutes a legitimate shroud speed run. get over it, you guys are slow.

You just can't help yourself, can you?

I hardly see what's wrong with discussing what steps are skipped and what are not in judging the performance of a speed run.

This is a classic case of projection here, you are actually playing by your OWN rules, as completion of the puzzles was a previous standard.

I am not here to quibble over whether you guys went faster, because that much is obvious, but there's nothing wrong with establishing a standard of expectations.

[juniorpfactors]

your quotes are a far cry from being unclean. but i understand that you are playing by your own rules here, just like you're playing by your own rules as to what constitutes a legitimate shroud speed run. get over it, you guys are slow.

classic, classic-------->get over it, you guys are slow


standards, standards?.... the object is finish fastest

jrp

[weyoun]

Evidently Jr, we should be smashing all the boxes and killing all the monsters as well.

Edit: And as long as you're claiming that you are completing the puzzles, lets see screenies or fraps. Otherwise, it didn't happen.

[Memnir]

I don't see how it can be considered a skipped step if the game designers included the means to circumvent the puzzles. If you had to solve the puzzles in order to beat the level, they would not have given you the option of breaking the crystals to advance.

I don't see it as skipping anything. I see it as a valid option, and one that seems to save time. Which, on a Speed Run, is kinda the point, no?

[Clay]

as a point of comparison.

If you are doing a SPEED RUN of von 3. Do you go and get the OPTIONAL chests that are off the direct path of getting from the zone in to the Inevitable? Do you even stop for the chests on a speed run?

You're doing spiders fast for a only for completion to help a friend flag/get a stone, and try to see how fast you can do it... do you worry about killing a spider along the way?

How is that any different from skipping the optional puzzle chests?

Perhaps the title of the thread should have been Shroud Speed Runs, including optionals/breakables?

It must be like the first race where a sprinter bent down to start with his fingers on the ground, rather than start standing up... "wait no fair, you cheated! You're not supposed to start from the ground. A gentleman starts standing up!"

[Aspenor]

where did this nonsense about breakables come from?

[Doktr_Strangelove]

If you ask me Khyber is notorious for a couple things... their lag and the players need for loot. So we were able to match the Thelanis time but we'll be damned if we don't get to loot all 12 chests! Nice work people!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00132.jpg

[stoc]

Man that was fun. I can't wait to try to beat it again. I do enjoy this competition we have brewing here. I look forward to all the new posts :)

[Ballonatic]

Gotta say, I look **** hot floating in my chones ;)

[Inspire]

The bar gets raised again! Lets do this thing.:D

[Doktr_Strangelove]

The bar gets raised again! Lets do this thing.:D

Just as a side comment to the wierd conversation earlier... I guess I never thought about doing a speed shroud without some of the things offered in game like skipping shrines and drinking mana pots since most people know me as being notoriously cheap. It is a good tactic as well as choosing to skip puzzles if it happens to be faster and someone stated earlier that it is a legit option so if you ask me I wouldn't discount that option since the result is still the fastest time. It appears that people got off on this vein of things being not legit when Tulsadoom made a general comment on why our group of friends decided to do 'speed shrouds' in the first place which was to add a bit more excitement to a raid we're forced to farm for larges. So ya, I'm glad the Legion guys and whoever else are in your groups on Thelanis are at least giving other people some competition for some friendly fun... I mean if you want a real competition lets see who's looted the most large bones... I'm sure I got you all beat there! Hopefully with the new hardware we'll get a chance to push the overall time and get it down a bit more... good luck everyone!

[Ellistran]

Grats guys 16min and all chests even with this lagg. Very cool noones ever done that that fast before, Koodoos to you my friends. Cant wait to see new shroud Elite speed times after this hardware upgrade.

[maddmatt70]

Hey Ellistran, Stoc, Yahmeen, and Doktr great run people.. Tons of fun. I hope Thelanis beats the elite speed record or lowers the normal speed run record in the next 3 days so we can go for it again. All of my characters are on timer as is most of the gang for 3 days.:)

[Inspire]

Hey Ellistran, Stoc, Yahmeen, and Doktr great run people.. Tons of fun. I hope Thelanis beats the elite speed record or lowers the normal speed run record in the next 3 days so we can go for it again. All of my characters are on timer as is most of the gang for 3 days.:)

We'll give it our best. Congrats guys.

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Hey Ellistran, Stoc, Yahmeen, and Doktr great run people.. Tons of fun. I hope Thelanis beats the elite speed record or lowers the normal speed run record in the next 3 days so we can go for it again. All of my characters are on timer as is most of the gang for 3 days.:)

Considering I was on my paladin for the elite run... oh ya I'd say one of these other great teams can beat that time pretty easily. Really though, we had Stoc's wife in one of our speed runs and she'd never been in a run that fast even though it was far from a record beater. Once in a while when we pug a spot out I'm hoping that more people on server can get an idea how having a plan, being prepared and working together is a great thing. I think we had ~4 guilds represented on the tying run and we always seemed to have a revolving door of friends who fill out the last 4-6 spots away from the core group of people who always seem to be in the best times. I'd hate to be the one to tell someone they suck and can't come even though I'm thinking it about my own guildies.... all..... the time.... sigh (esp any stupid warforged!)

[Hakushi]

I'm glad I logged right on time to participate to this great run. :D Very great job guys and if the lag monster is slain by the new hardware, the possibilities to have a better time is open.

[Clay]

Nice run Doktr et al.

And great screenie!

The bar gets raised!

or is that lowered?

See there is no need to get skivvies tied into a knot about time/chests. Just got to go out there and show a better way. Put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

Nice job Khyber!

[Renegade66]

Great run guys!

[Aspenor]

you guys are pretty silly.

by that i mean, those that think my post are nitpicking. i fail to see what is beyond your capacity to understand that I was attempting to set a standard of expectations and nothing more. by this, I mean, what is expected?

As exemplified last night, the Khyber group agrees with me that doing the puzzles is a facet of a full shroud run.

meh, I guess some people will always hear what they want to hear anyway.

Oh yeah, Major Gratz to the Khyber group ;)

[Renegade66]

you guys are pretty silly.

by that i mean, those that think my post are nitpicking. i fail to see what is beyond your capacity to understand that I was attempting to set a standard of expectations and nothing more.

meh, I guess some people will always hear what they want to hear anyway.

Gratz to the Khyber group ;)

Dude, just stop. I'm embarassed for you. There is no "standard" for a speed run. You simply run the quest as fast as possible and at the end you screenshot your time. Period. The rest is all in your head. You'll notice that there has been nothing but congratulatory notes from us to the Khyber guys and without the "yea but, how much lag did you have" or other comments to attempt to take away from their exciting accomplishment.

[Aspenor]

Dude, just stop. I'm embarassed for you. There is no "standard" for a speed run. You simply run the quest as fast as possible and at the end you screenshot your time. Period. The rest is all in your head. You'll notice that there has been nothing but congratulatory notes from us to the Khyber guys and without the "yea but, how much lag did you have" or other comments to attempt to take away from their exciting accomplishment.

I'm glad you're embarassed for me, cuz I'm not embarassed at all.

There were previously expectations BEFORE you and your friends decided to try this. I was doing Shroud speed runs when you were still hoping to pull your 5th devil scale for your first Min 2. Previously, all puzzles were completed. I don't think it's absurd to set up some kind of standard to run by for easily judging and comparing times.

If you think I'm all twisted up about the fact that you have a screenshot that's got a lower time than I do, I don't really care about that, I congratulate you wholly. The fact of the matter is that you are too blind to actually understand what I am saying, and prefer to spew bile and hubris instead of engaging in a constructive discussion to establish the "rules."

If you don't want to play it by any rules, then fine. But don't attack me for attempting to participate in...oh yup, still the OP....MY thread.

What makes me laugh is you guys are so wrapped up in yourselves that you're not even bothering to read and understand what I am actually saying....:cool:

You didn't notice the congratulations???

I never said anything about invalidating times????

I never said anything about lag???

So what is it, exactly?

[Tenacious]

If everyone is a pro at the puzzles shouldn't that be quicker than the barb laden party nuking the crystals? Anyway obviously an awesome achievement for everyone involved.

[Renegade66]

If everyone is a pro at the puzzles shouldn't that be quicker than the barb laden party nuking the crystals? Anyway obviously an awesome achievement for everyone involved.

Not solving the puzzles might save you 15 seconds max. It's more important for the caster or cleric to break their crystal (if they don't have a one or two mover) so they can break the three center crystals down quickly and not risk melee standing at the barrier waiting to get a water. The melee solve their puzzles, however we sent the caster up the right and the cleric up the left to make sure any barriers that were still up could have their crystal broken. In most cases, it isn't going to save you much time at all, but on a speed run you look for every efficiency opportunity you can. It's part of the challenge.

[Renegade66]

There were previously expectations BEFORE you and your friends decided to try this. I was doing Shroud speed runs when you were still hoping to pull your 5th devil scale for your first Min 2. Previously, all puzzles were completed. I don't think it's absurd to set up some kind of standard to run by for easily judging and comparing times.


Two things I find amusing:
1) You're trying the "I've been speed running Shroud since you were in diapers" routine on a person that has been playing DDO longer than you and who was the first in game to beat the Shroud.

and 2) That you've been running speed shrouds since its inception yet our second attempt leap frogged the multitude of attempts you've made over the last year.

I do understand your point about setting a standard. I simply find that point, pointless. One person and his/her small group of friends setting rules or guidelines or standards for a speed run is a monumental waste of time and IMO egotistical (and I should know). Call me simplistic, but run the quest check your time and you're done. The game doesn't differentiate between 16:01 and 16:59, so what can you do - screenshot your stopwatch?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure you cannot lock down ownership of a thread. I'm not derailing it and not calling you names (e.g. feebleminded thank you very little). Good conversation here amidst your clinging to a point long ago moved away from by the rest of the pack.

[weyoun]

Nice run Khyber. Very well done. Thelanis gets our hardware upgrade today. Did it make a difference with the lag?

[Turren]

Nice run Khyber. Very well done. Thelanis gets our hardware upgrade today. Did it make a difference with the lag?

All servers are being upgraded today. So i'm assuming they did it with the lag also. Congrats to both groups on a awesome time.

[Memnir]

I just want to be very clear on a few things, Aspenor...

Just because I disagree with you, I am now mentally deficient somehow? (feebleminded?)
And I am only disagreeing with you because I am in Legion? When it seems that folks on other servers felt my point had merit? And since when did disagreeing equate attacking, anyways?

Nice. Real nice.

[Aspenor]

I just want to be very clear on a few things, Aspenor...

Just because I disagree with you, I am now mentally deficient somehow? (feebleminded?)
And I am only disagreeing with you because I am in Legion? When it seems that folks on other servers felt my point had merit? And since when did disagreeing equate attacking, anyways?

Nice. Real nice.

No no, not for disagreeing. I respect disagreement.

I felt that I was being misunderstood and attacked for trying to be understood, and yes I lashed out a little. I hope you and Ren will accept my apology (honestly I don't remember you posting yet, Mem, and in no way meant you at all) I was accused of having "panties in a twist" and a few other things, where nobody really addressed (until Ren's recent post, which I am thankful for that from him) the issue that I was really trying to get at.

Now that it appears ya'll have a protocol to run with, I'm finished.

Enjoy your gaming and have fun!

[weyoun]

i thought they were staggering the updates-guess not. ::shrug::

[Kraak]

Mem - the sooner you embrace the facts, the easier this will be for everyone.

http://www.stoopad.com/content/binary/InferiorOpinion1.PNG


<MY SANDBOX!!>

[Kraak]

Mem - you have a gift. That was the best I could find. hahahahaha

[weyoun]

Now that it appears ya'll have a protocol to run with, I'm finished.



Yes, and that protocol is still fastest run wins. I don't care if you smashed more boxes than me.

[Memnir]

Lol - I do like the pic, Kraak. :)
And I'm married - so I've come to grips with that fact a loooong time ago. hehehe

[nakedfatguy]

aside from the lag, it was a fun run. this really was our first purpose built speed run. before it was just whatever toons people had ready/wanted to play and it was just a fluke really that we bettered our times. was just a way to get our loot faster :)
Now with a little competition we'll have to step it up! We'll have to build an elite run to, that'll be fun.
On a side note, how many pots did ya'll use?

[Renegade66]

On a side note, how many pots did ya'll use?

As many as it took. I think our caster used 18 and the Cleric more. Running out of mana isn't ever a consideration in a speed run.

[weyoun]

aside from the lag, it was a fun run. this really was our first purpose built speed run. before it was just whatever toons people had ready/wanted to play and it was just a fluke really that we bettered our times. was just a way to get our loot faster :)
Now with a little competition we'll have to step it up! We'll have to build an elite run to, that'll be fun.
On a side note, how many pots did ya'll use?


~20 on weyun (sorc). can't speak for Rev. we used exactly zero shrines. some think that's a waste but what am i supposed to do with my hoard? especially now with no new raid to beat in mod 8. :( :( its not like i need them for anything else. i'm still in dismay.

there was a lot of wasted mana fingering the same critter multiple times because the death effects were so lagged.

[ace_mason]

This was only our second try with our best toons.We shaved 3 minutes from our first run. There is no doubt we could go faster.
Seeing that I have more major pots than cure serious pots 30 I used wasn't bad;)

[nakedfatguy]

yeah, thats about the same amount our guys used i think.


As many as it took. I think our caster used 18 and the Cleric more. Running out of mana isn't ever a consideration in a speed run.

lol, you're a strange dude :P its all good tho <3

gl with your future runs guys.

[maddmatt70]

Just on a side note I agree with the poster who said that if your group knows the puzzle really well it is faster then breaking all the crystals and even for the caster if they can do the puzzle fast. Everybody in our group is really solid with the puzzles except maybe me lol, but about 3-4 guys are experts at it. One of these experts is also our caster who can just rattle off puzzles.

[Renegade66]

We were all experts on the puzzles and I agree that it is pretty quick to solve the puzzles and not lose much time. However, it is quicker to get the three center crystals down with a caster. Therefore, to minimize your time, it makes sense to have the caster destroy their crystal to get to the center if they get a puzzle requiring more than a couple moves. A 5x5 for example. Makes way more sense to disintegrate the crystal in 1 second than spend 30 seconds solving a 5x5 while everyone is throwing returning axes at the three center crystals. In short, the caster destroys his/her crystal and gets to the center while everyone else solves their puzzle. Again though a ranger with a 5x5 is better served many-shotting his crystal.

For everyone else vying for the speed record I highly recommend you solve the puzzles as recommended by the other posters and get your extra chests. It's silly to skip those chests just so you don't have to solve an easy puzzle.

[maddmatt70]

We were all experts on the puzzles and I agree that it is pretty quick to solve the puzzles and not lose much time. However, it is quicker to get the three center crystals down with a caster. Therefore, to minimize your time, it makes sense to have the caster destroy their crystal to get to the center if they get a puzzle requiring more than a couple moves. A 5x5 for example. Makes way more sense to disintegrate the crystal in 1 second than spend 30 seconds solving a 5x5 while everyone is throwing returning axes at the three center crystals. In short, the caster destroys his/her crystal and gets to the center while everyone else solves their puzzle. Again though a ranger with a 5x5 is better served many-shotting his crystal.

For everyone else vying for the speed record I highly recommend you solve the puzzles as recommended by the other posters and get your extra chests. It's silly to skip those chests just so you don't have to solve an easy puzzle.

yeah I hear what you are saying just mavnimo, our caster, is a freak is all and I mean freak in a good way.. When I said 3-4 experts I should have said 3-4 experts and then mavnimo who is in a class all by himself.

[Renegade66]

There may be a disconnect in our interpretation of "speed run". To me, a "speed run" is an attempt at setting a record. I think many others consider a "speed run" as running a raid fast as opposed to taking your time. This latter interpretation of a "speed run" is just normal zerging for us and we do indeed get the chests. When going for a record though, we pull all stops.

[Lehrman]

There may be a disconnect in our interpretation of "speed run". To me, a "speed run" is an attempt at setting a record. I think many others consider a "speed run" as running a raid fast as opposed to taking your time. This latter interpretation of a "speed run" is just normal zerging for us and we do indeed get the chests. When going for a record though, we pull all stops.

Definitions of speed run:
Renegade: "To me, a "speed run" is an attempt at setting a record."

Khyberian Loot *****s: "A speed run means we seek to unbalance the loot:time or XP:time ratio more heavily in our favor"

Basically, what we have is a difference of definition. So you are right, there is a disconnect in our interpretations. For us on Khyber the previous 18 minute shroud run that was posted was incidental. We did the speed run per the khyberian definition and got lucky on the time...same as the 20 minute run...same as the 22 minute run. On Khyber our main focus has always been loot first and bragging rights second. If you get a 15 minute run on Thelanis and skip both chests, then we applaud you on a time we are not likely to beat. We are not accusing you of cheating or invalidating you time, but we, as loot *****s, will not give up chests just to match you or beat you. Its not in our nature.

[Renegade66]

Right. You're not even playing the same game. Probably not even worth posting in a record setting, speed run thread when you're not interested in strategizing and organizing the fastest completion possible.

[Mhykke]

Speed run to me:

Playing while looped out on amphetamines. :D

[maddmatt70]

Right. You're not even playing the same game. Probably not even worth posting in a record setting, speed run thread when you're not interested in strategizing and organizing the fastest completion possible.

Well yeah and no. We drank pots yesterday and 3 days ago when the lag got us. We didn't form parties before with resources planned to be used i.e one cleric who skips shrines. We also didn't before hold some of our top shroud characters back or I had us wait 3 non record attempting speed runs where we played mostly lesser characters in hopes the lag had died down. We do take this competition seriously and are enjoying it so please give us your best shot. Can't wait.:)

[ArkoHighStar]

Have you guys tried it without any arcane casters, our best is 22 minutes with 9 rangers, a bard(battlebard) and 2 clerics, basically all damage was dps only

[maddmatt70]

Have you guys tried it without any arcane casters, our best is 22 minutes with 9 rangers, a bard(battlebard) and 2 clerics, basically all damage was dps only

Actually me and mav have discussed 11 melee and 1 bard. We have a couple of bards who have solo healed the shroud before and one is a warchanter.

[ArkoHighStar]

Actually me and mav have discussed 11 melee and 1 bard. We have a couple of bards who have solo healed the shroud before and one is a warchanter.

the dps lag is horrendous, and we conteplated going 1 cleric, but after doing it we stayed with 2 just because the mass heals in part 5 near the end were getting seriously lagged out

[weyoun]

Definitions of speed run:
Renegade: "To me, a "speed run" is an attempt at setting a record."

Khyberian Loot *****s: "A speed run means we seek to unbalance the loot:time or XP:time ratio more heavily in our favor"

Basically, what we have is a difference of definition. So you are right, there is a disconnect in our interpretations. For us on Khyber the previous 18 minute shroud run that was posted was incidental. We did the speed run per the khyberian definition and got lucky on the time...same as the 20 minute run...same as the 22 minute run. On Khyber our main focus has always been loot first and bragging rights second. If you get a 15 minute run on Thelanis and skip both chests, then we applaud you on a time we are not likely to beat. We are not accusing you of cheating or invalidating you time, but we, as loot *****s, will not give up chests just to match you or beat you. Its not in our nature.

You know what I need right now? Two icy raiments. That's it. They aren't dropping out of those chests so I'll skip on the 2 medium bones, 2k plat, a depleted cell and the bracers of +1 str/13 repair so I can have bragging rights on these boards.

[juniorpfactors]

I guess being the best isn't in your nature either. You know what I need right now? Two icy raiments. That's it. They aren't dropping out of those chests so I'll skip on the 2 medium bones, 2k plat, a depleted cell and the bracers of +1 str/13 repair so I can have bragging rights on these boards.

i needed a laugh before going home and killing and looting, and Ding here comes lysol to fill the need

those 2 chests are as useless as the optional chests in tangleroot, "hey anyone need a medium shard of power" ya i do so i can sell it to the skelly!!!!

jrp

[Lehrman]

I guess being the best isn't in your nature either. You know what I need right now? Two icy raiments. That's it. They aren't dropping out of those chests so I'll skip on the 2 medium bones, 2k plat, a depleted cell and the bracers of +1 str/13 repair so I can have bragging rights on these boards.

Nah, being "the best" usually means you are pulling your own chain. I just need to be good enough. I don't skip chests that have a chance to drop +2 tomes or +8AC bracers. To me thats like saying "I am not going to loot this raid chest because I already have the named gear I need". You know what I need right now? The servers to come back up.

[ArkoHighStar]

edited peace established

[weyoun]

Nah, being "the best" usually means you are pulling your own chain. I just need to be good enough. I don't skip chests that have a chance to drop +2 tomes or +8AC bracers. To me that like saying "I am not going to loot this raid chest because I already have the named gear I need". You know what I need right now? The servers to come back up.

Good for you buddy!

[weyoun]

again best at what a videogame, if that what you think makes people a success, then you live in a very small world. I have no problem with people who try to be the best they can be at something, but don't try to flaunt it as some sort of badge of superiority, because really it shows more about you than you realize.

Again this is not to rain on anyones accomplishments, I congratulate all those who have made great times past and present.

Your attitude however smacks of believing you are somehow superior to others. the real truth is some of us just have different priorities, bragging rights on a game forum are not always high among them

As I said in a previous post, when the HR person asks you about your accomplishments I certainly hope you don't mention that you are the best player in DDO as your main one, I will let you in on a little secret, they won't be impressed.

Really? Since when is this the HR person boards? OMG. It is the HR person boards. I'm sorry. Well maybe I should post my RL resume here then right? Dude, this is the ddo boards, go post on the HR person boards if you want to start this conversation.

[ArkoHighStar]

edited peace established

[Lehrman]

hey if your aspiration in life is to be considered number one on a game board, man you win first prize, congratulations, funny I don't rember Turbine creating a winner's spot for this game, but its yours none the less. I mean really whatever makes you feel good about being you.

Arko, you are awesome! Not only was the post great, but I love your link. B well, man.

[weyoun]

if your aspiration in life is to be second place at everything you do, congrats! dude this is an acheivement board. trash-talking is part of it. lighten up Francis.

[ArkoHighStar]

edited ppeace established

[Renegade66]

again best at what a videogame, if that what you think makes people a success, then you live in a very small world. I have no problem with people who try to be the best they can be at something, but don't try to flaunt it as some sort of badge of superiority, because really it shows more about you than you realize.

Again this is not to rain on anyones accomplishments, I congratulate all those who have made great times past and present.

Your attitude however smacks of believing you are somehow superior to others. the real truth is some of us just have different priorities, bragging rights on a game forum are not always high among them

As I said in a previous post, when the HR person asks you about your accomplishments I certainly hope you don't mention that you are the best player in DDO as your main one, I will let you in on a little secret, they won't be impressed.

It's a hobby like any other. I could be best at carpentry and it wouldn't mean I'm a success as a person. This has nothing to do with being a success in RL and I for one have no issue separating the two. We do live our DDO lives in a small world. Being the best at this or that in game is indeed a badge of superiority. A meaningless one of course in RL, but again we can separate the two right.

If his attitude smacks of being superior to others it's because it is true. Yes, others have differing priorities and they may even be superior to him in those avenues. I guarantee you that I am superior to you in as many ways as you are superior to me. It's okay to be superior or inferior. It's just the way it is. If you don't like that fact pointed out then stay clear of the achievements board.

Talking about HR is you bringing in RL to a conversation about a game. It just muddies things up unnecessarily. Instead, I recommend you post a RL achievements thread. I'll be the first to post my resume' on it. Doubt anyone would give half a **** though as this is a game and it only makes sense to share your ingame accomplishments. At least share them with those that don't get butt-hurt just because someone happened to do something in game that they cannot or have not done themselves.

[weyoun]

I don't consider a videogame my life, so being second or any place here is not an issue, but again if that is how you define success within your life experience, man be happy because your a winner, and actually trash talking is not part of the achievement board, please read the guidelines, trash talking is not acceptable, this is about achievements, not belittling others by saying you are number one.

Who said anything about a video game being their life? You sure do cling to that argument.

[Tulsa_Doom]

Enough talk. We have a tie to break. Bring it.

[ArkoHighStar]

edited peace established

[ArkoHighStar]

edited peace established

[weyoun]

Edited to keep it above the belt

[weyoun]

Oh, and we're #1, we're #1

[ArkoHighStar]

edited peace established

[ArkoHighStar]

Oh, and we're #1, we're #1

see that I can laugh at but you need a graphic to go with it

http://www.ahsd25.k12.il.us/~TriciaFuglestad/VisualArt/page22/files/page22_blog_entry47_1.png

[Mhykke]

meh.

peace is no fun. now what am I gonna read? :(

[Doktr_Strangelove]

Ok so I took a couple screenshots of our elite speed attempt which we did .... oh about a week ago (including having my buddy Sal's ugly mug in my focus orb again). Not sure how we'll all fair now that there are a few changes to raids to increase difficulty and with the new content out we haven't really been running the shroud, vod, or hound much. Thanks to everyone who came with and to Nakid and Dez who floated me some mana pots even though I didn't use nearly as many as you guys gave me (suckers). Pretty solid effort and I guess whenever we feel pressured we'll get around to pushing the time again!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00136.jpg

It's becoming a bit of a small tradition here that if Kaiyee is with us on any toon she practically has to get naked for a little skinny dip for the underwater chest looting.. so heres another pic!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/Doktr_Strangelove/Aryenne/ScreenShot00139.jpg

[nakedfatguy]

i wasnt even there for this one and i still floated you some pots? god...i am a sucker :o

[Doktr_Strangelove]

i wasnt even there for this one and i still floated you some pots? god...i am a sucker :o

That is... a very good point! I think you gave me some for all the other runs and future ones.. better than nothing I'd say! I know Norg woulda liked to have ya there and I will say this though in case anyone else reads these posts... it's always a tough thing trying to form a record breaking run since we have a bunch of people we run speeds with (much more than the 12 it takes for a raid) and I hate being the one who decides who gets in so I hope there is no hard feelings for anyone who doesn't get in on the record breaker attempts and looking through the history we've had quite a few people outside of the core group help out. Now that it's a matter of server pride I'm sure when decisions are made a bunch of factors come in to play rather than bringing your next best player if we've run a few already.

[maddmatt70]

That is... a very good point! I think you gave me some for all the other runs and future ones.. better than nothing I'd say! I know Norg woulda liked to have ya there and I will say this though in case anyone else reads these posts... it's always a tough thing trying to form a record breaking run since we have a bunch of people we run speeds with (much more than the 12 it takes for a raid) and I hate being the one who decides who gets in so I hope there is no hard feelings for anyone who doesn't get in on the record breaker attempts and looking through the history we've had quite a few people outside of the core group help out. Now that it's a matter of server pride I'm sure when decisions are made a bunch of factors come in to play rather than bringing your next best player if we've run a few already.

This is the least fun part of being a raid leader. I hope that nobody has taken offense to being left out on some of these record attempting runs because it is about the server. When/if we start this up again I would also not be opposed to hearing from and perhaps running a record attempt run or two with some of the people we have not run at all on the speed runs, but have an excellent reputation for having a specific dps character on the server (players like illuminati, meatwad, etc.).

By the way we would have liked to have you there Naakked what were you working on your tan or something.

[nakedfatguy]

lol, i'm a fat nerd that plays DDO all day....i have no tan. i was at a wedding :(

[nakedfatguy]

the elite record is going down next ladies

What ever happened to this.....ummm....ladies?

[InfidelofHaLL]

lol, i'm a fat nerd that plays DDO all day....i have no tan. i was at a wedding :(

lol I play ddo and i have a tan... wait thats cuz i work outside all day nvm :P p.s norg look me up next time i will go with you if you need someone :)

[rayflo]

when were these all done pre bugging and stunning blow fixes or post?

[Kraak]

What ever happened to this.....ummm....ladies?

He left.

[nakedfatguy]

when were these all done pre bugging and stunning blow fixes or post?

ours were done around the time they were posted, so way after the summon bug fix. as far as the stunning blow fix, i have no idea what that is.

[maddmatt70]

lol I play ddo and i have a tan... wait thats cuz i work outside all day nvm :P p.s norg look me up next time i will go with you if you need someone :)

Sure Infidel. We should give another serious go at a record of one sort or other one of these days been too long. Going for records is fun.:)

[stoc]

Count me in (if it goes down on a day I don't have to get up early the next day :) )

[maddmatt70]

Bump for purge. We are doing another record attempt this week anybody else still going for speed records?

[Aaxeyu]

What's the US speed record for Shroud elite? anyone got a link?:P

[maddmatt70]

What's the US speed record for Shroud elite? anyone got a link?:P

27 minutes and its on page 11 of this thread...

[Aaxeyu]

27 minutes and its on page 11 of this thread...

Okay, ty.

Then our 24 min run (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4999421&postcount=171)is world record :)

[ArkoHighStar]

Okay, ty.

Then our 24 min run (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4999421&postcount=171)is world record :)

16 minutes is the record

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=152225&page=8

[maddmatt70]

Okay, ty.

Then our 24 min run (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4999421&postcount=171)is world record :)

ooh very nice. We always believed that 27 minutes could be improved upon we just didn't have anyone pushing us to do so. The Thelanis and Argo groups doing this were more concerned with the normal record. Perhaps now we might be pushed to do this.. I think 20-22 minutes is more close to optimum elite just like about 14 minutes is the best you could hope for on normal..

[ArkoHighStar]

ooh very nice. We always believed that 27 minutes could be improved upon we just didn't have anyone pushing us to do so. The Thelanis and Argo groups doing this were more concerned with the normal record. Perhaps now we might be pushed to do this.. I think 20-22 minutes is more close to optimum elite just like about 14 minutes is the best you could hope for on normal..

nevermind I just saw this is on elite

[Aaxeyu]

16 minutes is the record

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=152225&page=8

Is that Elite?

[maddmatt70]

Is that Elite?

That one is normal a thelanis group and a khyber group both did it at 16 minutes on normal..

[Salkanor]

..."Elite" in the completion screen cap...I will chalk it up to being a "faux" elite record.

Look at the XP?..Ummm there were the xp bonus weekends.

I don't see why the difficulty pic WASN'T taken.

Odd.

:confused:

[Aaxeyu]

ooh very nice. We always believed that 27 minutes could be improved upon we just didn't have anyone pushing us to do so. The Thelanis and Argo groups doing this were more concerned with the normal record. Perhaps now we might be pushed to do this.. I think 20-22 minutes is more close to optimum elite just like about 14 minutes is the best you could hope for on normal..

Thank you.
Yea, we can probably improve some too, as it was our first speed run.
Gonna beat the EU normal record next, then we might try to get a better elite time:p

[ArkoHighStar]

ooh very nice. We always believed that 27 minutes could be improved upon we just didn't have anyone pushing us to do so. The Thelanis and Argo groups doing this were more concerned with the normal record. Perhaps now we might be pushed to do this.. I think 20-22 minutes is more close to optimum elite just like about 14 minutes is the best you could hope for on normal..

Argo was always doing it with melee heavy groups, so lag was really a concern, and then once we started having lag issues we just stopped trying to push for all out speed runs

[Aaxeyu]

..."Elite" in the completion screen cap...I will chalk it up to being a "faux" elite record.

Look at the XP?..Ummm there were the xp bonus weekends.

I don't see why the difficulty pic WASN'T taken.

Odd.

:confused:

here:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4999454&postcount=173

[Salkanor]

Grats.

Thanks for the "proof".

Norg...you ready?

:cool:

[maddmatt70]

Grats.

Thanks for the "proof".

Norg...you ready?

:cool:

Yep.. We will get some of the crew out for one for sure. Ironically we were just chatting about running a few elites to break up the same old same old. No Ellie or Mav, but we will just have to deal..

[nakedfatguy]

Okay, ty.

Then our 24 min run (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4999421&postcount=171)is world record :)

nice! guess we have a reason to lag thru there again...

[boldarblood]

Yep.. We will get some of the crew out for one for sure. Ironically we were just chatting about running a few elites to break up the same old same old. No Ellie or Mav, but we will just have to deal..

LOL, was Tuesday night we were talking about the elite record.

It is nice to see that others are still pushing the envelope. Give's us something to work for now. Thanks!

What a butthead mav and ellie are, someone needs to knock some sence into those two and tell them to get back online. :P

[Aspenor]

The gauntlet has been thrown down!!! Gentlemen and Ladies, equip your Mineral II's!!

[Gleipner]

**** lads and lasses you sure make slow progress i´ll have a toon at lvl 16 doing elite shroud speed runs on one of the US servers faster then we did it on the EU once b4 you guy´s are rdy :D :D

[maddmatt70]

**** lads and lasses you sure make slow progress i´ll have a toon at lvl 16 doing elite shroud speed runs on one of the US servers faster then we did it on the EU once b4 you guy´s are rdy :D :D

We did give elite a go and were on record pace, but got hit by the lag on part 5. Haste and heal spells not landing and all the melee dying. Not worth giving it a go until the lag is fixed on the U.S. servers - it just is hard to be certain what the lag will be on any given run and with the resource consumption hard to ask the folks to go for it..

[Desteria]

Okay, ty.

Then our 24 min run (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4999421&postcount=171)is world record :)

Grats, mmm guess we have to do some more elite speed!

[Aerniel]

22 minutes. all ranger shroud on argonessen.