Turbine, your Compendium needs some love!

[Borror0]

Ya, it needs loving... like paladin need of loving.

So, I'll put y'all in context.

I'm currently totally redoing the wiki, on a new url. I'm about to enter all the feats... one by one. I'm doing a few tests to see if my template works fine. So, I take feats I know really well. I tell myself I'll use the old wiki and the DDO Compendium as basis to enter the information, add whatever might be missing.

So, I look up Evasion in both the wiki and the Compendium...

DDOwiki (http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Evasion)
DDO Compendium (http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Feat:Evasion)

You guys are not even saying that it doesn't work in heavy armor!!:eek: Let alone encumbrance!:rolleyes:

And I'm sure this is one of many. Besides, your search option is the worse I have ever seen...

I have been asked by a friend why their Compendium is so worthless, I'm starting to see why...

[Sani_Medicor]

Yeah...learned that one the hard way last week...took a level of fighter on my rogue for mithral full plate.

[Deriaz]

Maybe it's because I'm tired and woke up a little bit ago, buuut. . . What's the problem? >>?

It's a Wiki. Both of them are. Just add in a little note in the Compendium that it doesn't work unless you're in Light or No armor, and that it doesn't work while encumbered. (Does it work in Medium? Never had a character with Evasion.)

I mean, yeah, Turbine might have slipped up on that, and maybe some others out there. . . But just help out and add it in yourself. >>

Just my two cents. . .

-D

[Borror0]

Maybe it's because I'm tired and woke up a little bit ago, buuut. . . What's the problem? >>?

It's a Wiki. Both of them are. Just add in a little note in the Compendium that it doesn't work unless you're in Light or No armor, and that it doesn't work while encumbered. (Does it work in Medium? Never had a character with Evasion.)

What is the problem... err...

It's their official information. So the very least they can do is to have accurate information.
Besides, the information there is the in-game information too. Meaning that if it's mis-leading there, it's also mis-leading there too.

I'm alright with their wiki allowing us to add more information there and all, but the basis should be there. Just take Sani Medicor's example, he didn't know it... and learnt it the hard way. That's not right at all. Just read the description there for a second. Now, you'll conclude it'll work in Medium and Heavy armor, right? Well it doesn't.

So, either it's a bug or it's their description that is lacking.
Let me tell you what, it's working as intended. ;)

As for adding it myself, I have my own wiki. They just have to take care of theirs... oh, and of their game too. :D

[Deriaz]

What is the problem... err...

It's their official information. So the very least they can do is to have accurate information.
Besides, the information there is the in-game information too. Meaning that if it's mis-leading there, it's also mis-leading there too.

Ah. Ok. Yeah, I didn't know that the information is exactly the same in-game. Thought the description was complete in-game. Ok, I can understand, then, why there's a problem. I might've made the same mistake like Sani, otherwise. Got a Warforged Rogue with Mithral Armor, now that I think about it. . . It works in Mithral Plating, right? >>? Can never remember if Mithral is Light or Medium for Warforged.


As for adding it myself, I have my own wiki. They just have to take care of theirs...

Can't agree with this, though. That's actually a kind of selfish stance. So, you've got a Wiki. That's great. But not everyone knows about it, I'd wager.

Meanwhile, the DDO Compendium is on the main page, and is probably accessed just as much, if not more. . .

Why is it so hard to take a few seconds and add it on theirs and help someone out who may not know about your wiki? Not trying to start an argument or anything; I'm just asking.

Yes, Turbine should take care of their own Wiki. But Wikis work the best if everyone is contributing. I don't work with Wikis -- barely know how -- but I know at least that much is certain.

*Shrugs.* Just more two cents. That's really all I have to say. Kind of sucks that the info isn't completely correct, but. . . If you notice something wrong, you could at least correct it. >>;;

-D

[Borror0]

It works in Mithral Plating, right? >>? Can never remember if Mithral is Light or Medium for Warforged.

It's light armor. Works the same as a Mithril Breastplate.


Can't agree with this, though. That's actually a kind of selfish stance. So, you've got a Wiki. That's great. But not everyone knows about it, I'd wager.

Meanwhile, the DDO Compendium is on the main page, and is probably accessed just as much, if not more. . .

Point is, I, an unpaid player of theirs, can keep a wiki updated. It contains more information and is about as accurate as their. There was a little let down, but I'm working on it. I'm busy updating my wiki. It's enough, they shouldn't count on me to do their job too. They shouldn't count on their playerbase to fix the mistake they do. They should pay their employess to at least do the minimum.

If they can't keep their wiki up to date they just had to take my proposition. Take down your Compendium, and link to the wiki. I'll give the highest moderation rights to anyone from Turbine.


Why is it so hard to take a few seconds and add it on theirs and help someone out who may not know about your wiki? Not trying to start an argument or anything; I'm just asking.

Because I have spent hours updating the wiki today. Stopping and updating their thing is more time consuming than you may think.

I have 58747587 things in my mind, if I stop... I'm loosing my thread of thoughts. Pay me to do it, or pay someone else.


If you notice something wrong, you could at least correct it.

Thing is, there is so many things wrong on their wiki that I would never get to play if I would do that.
I have much more liberty on my wiki, thus I will work on mine.

Did you know that DDO had loaded dices? Fireball uses 1d3+3 instead of 1d6. But Delayed Fireball uses 1d4+2 instead..

[MrCow]

About the only use I have for the compendium is as a direct spell link for the DDO Catalog...

It would be nice if the database that the DDO Compendium was more accurate so people weren't as easily mislead.

[Borror0]

About the only use I have for the compendium is as a direct spell link for the DDO Catalog...

Wait 'til I'm done with the new wiki spell section. :)

[ScaScott]

Correct me if I am wrong, I I do not mean to cause any offense at all, but it seems almost like you want a pat on the back for creating your own wiki...well <pat...pat>...any game you play is not going to have complete documentation, someone somewhere is going to miss a few details, especially when you have so many to go through. I am sure the guy(s)/girl(s) doing the wiki don't just have the wiki to do, that is probably a small part of their job description. I dunno, I just think if you don't like the official wiki, that is fine I can understand that I myself use an external DDO/wiki type site, but there is no reason to go on about it...just update the official wiki and continue on yours and when yours is done, post it and let the readers/subs be the judge of which is better.

[Borror0]

Correct me if I am wrong, I I do not mean to cause any offense at all, but it seems almost like you want a pat on the back for creating your own wiki...well <pat...pat>.

Not at all. Like Deriaz said, not everyone knows about the wiki.

I'm not asking perfection from Turbine, but Evasion working in light armor is pretty basic. It's not only their wiki, the same lack of detail is present in-game. Want a screenshot? I'm logged on my Risia monk right now, so it'd not be too much trouble.

[binnsr]

Wait 'til I'm done with the new wiki spell section. :)

Well hurry up already!

Hey, what are you doing over here still posting stuff!?!?? Get back to work!!

;)

[Borror0]

Ok, look... I have a better one. :D

Armor Class Bonus (http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Feat:AC_Bonus)!!:D

"Your training improves your armor class, so long as you remain centered. (Unarmored, unencumbered, and wielding ki weapons.)"

No indication of:

How much AC it gives.
At what level it improves.

It's the same in-game, just checked in-game.

Besides, it's even bugged in-game. It shows twice (meaning +2 AC) on a level 14 monk, but a level 14 monk actually has +3 Centered AC. From what I have seen from logging on my level 2 monk, the first one doesn,t show up. I don't know if it's work around WotC so that they can boost the Monk's AC but... I love the clearness of their in-game information.:)

[Ardanroth]

Not at all. Like Deriaz said, not everyone knows about the wiki.

I'm not asking perfection from Turbine, but Evasion working in light armor is pretty basic. It's not only their wiki, the same lack of detail is present in-game. Want a screenshot? I'm logged on my Risia monk right now, so it'd not be too much trouble.

No but what your asking for should be taken as a given. Players deserve the basic info to be correct. Then the players can add to it pretty much as Borro0 is safe in the knowledge that what they state is based of reliable info

Turbine, its easy to let webpages lapse while concentrating on the game, but some of the fan base really do rely on your info out of game, being 100&#37; correct

edit: because im drunk it needed editing 3 times

[Vua]

No but what your asking for should be taken as a given. Players deserve the basic info to be correct. Then the players can add to it pretty much as Borro0 is safe in the knowledge that what they state is based of reliable info

Turbine, its easy to let webpages lapse while concentrating on the game, but some of the fan base really do rely on your info out of game, being 100% correct

edit: because im drunk it needed editing 3 times

But I believe their compendium info is pulled directly from the game. The website descriptions being wrong means the in game info is wrong as well.

[Borror0]

But I believe their compendium info is pulled directly from the game. The website descriptions being wrong means the in game info is wrong as well.

Yes, if it's written one way in the Compendium, it's the same in-game. the best example of that is Critical Rage. It updates at every update.

[Borror0]

Oh, while I'm at it... why did you remove the prereqs on the feats?:mad:

And why don't you say that ABundant Step costs 10 Ki!:confused:

[Gennerik]

I also worry about spending the time to edit the Compendium because it's updated every update with in-game information. I'm not even sure that the information that you change will stay from update to update. If we go through and update things such as Evasion and Armor Class Bonus, what's to say that when 7.1 or Module 8 come around that it doesn't just go back to the same useless information that is the in-game description?

[Borror0]

I'm not even sure that the information that you change will stay from update to update.

I have been wondering about that too.