this is ********

[spyderwolf]

so just hit titan run number 100. 32 pre mod 5 titans and 68 post mod 5 titans. 4 20th run end rewards. the god **** belt has never dropped for me or anyone in the ****ing party on any of those 100 raids and those 4 end reward list. how the **** is that fair? and before anyone ****ing posts on this post about o keep trying or o ive seen it drop. you do 100 raids wit hthe same toon on the same raid withotu ever seeing a particular item and then come back with your feedback for me.

[captain1z]

I cant argue with that. You did 100 raids = congrats. Sorry you didnt get what u wanted.

[Deathe]

Have been there for a whole lot of em and can attest that it hasn't dropped not just for Spyder, but for no one in the raid ... ever. Can't help but call bs on this one, defiantly not cool.

Sorry Spyder, thats a buncha suck.

- Dethe

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

how about the devs give out a percentage of items available depending on how many you've done, so by the time you reach 100 you get, say, an 80% list...

or make it so items you already have don't appear again.

Feel for u bro...

Garth

[Falco_Easts]

Gratz on the 100, sorry bout the belt

[Blazer]

how about the devs give out a percentage of items available depending on how many you've done, so by the time you reach 100 you get, say, an 80% list...

or make it so items you already have don't appear again.

Feel for u bro...

Garth

Decent idea, but man, after 100 raids, you better get the whole frigging list. :)

Sorry OP, that really stinks. I'm sure I'll be right there with ya for my Chattering Ring.

[Bexo]

Face it dude, your not meant to get the belt. Find something else to hold up your pants

[spyderwolf]

Face it dude, your not meant to get the belt. Find something else to hold up your pants

lol your missing the point. in 64 guaranteed loot drop ( form the first 32 raids) roughly 550 1d6 drops (from the last 68 raids) and 4 50%-1 item lists, a particular item hasnt shown itself. how is that possible? and the **** belt would let me take my umd from +37 tp +42 by letting me wear the 7 fingered gloves full time. seeing as i only care about heal srolls i can live with a 2 failing.....its the principle of the situation. its jsut not fair for any item to have that many chances to drop and never drop unless the belt is weighted to such as mall % of a chance that its ridiculous.

[Allice]

its very possible..... Just highly improbable..... I would recomend getting the heart of gold and figuring out the odds.

[spyderwolf]

its very possible..... Just highly improbable..... I would recomend getting the heart of gold and figuring out the odds.

you think so huh? ill tell ya what you picka random item out of any of the raids...do 100 of them with the same toon..and tell me what ya think about it if it nevers drops once. ill see ya in a year or so it takes ya to do it. :)

[ChildrenofBodom]

so just hit titan run number 100. 32 pre mod 5 titans and 68 post mod 5 titans. 4 20th run end rewards. the god **** belt has never dropped for me or anyone in the ****ing party on any of those 100 raids and those 4 end reward list. how the **** is that fair? and before anyone ****ing posts on this post about o keep trying or o ive seen it drop. you do 100 raids wit hthe same toon on the same raid withotu ever seeing a particular item and then come back with your feedback for me.

Yea, turbine made that belt INSANELY rare. Sorry you did that many raids and didn't get it. :(

[WestiesMA]

so just hit titan run number 100. 32 pre mod 5 titans and 68 post mod 5 titans. 4 20th run end rewards. the god **** belt has never dropped for me or anyone in the ****ing party on any of those 100 raids and those 4 end reward list. how the **** is that fair? and before anyone ****ing posts on this post about o keep trying or o ive seen it drop. you do 100 raids wit hthe same toon on the same raid withotu ever seeing a particular item and then come back with your feedback for me.

That sucks dude. :mad: I still think that EVERY item (including all tomes) should be available to choose from, or at least the number of items should go up as the number of completions goes up.

[spyderwolf]

id kinda like to see a dev try to come up with a fair reason why the belt is so rare? im sure one of them has seen the post by now. anyone? anyone?

[fatherpirate]

I think they should change the way 'UBER' 'set' loot is awarded. like a matching set of magic items..or what not

instead of putting 1 item of the set randomly on the loot reward list, award a special token

Then you take that to the house incharge of that item set and turn it in for you choice of 1 of that sets items


if a set has items that are rarer then other items in a set, just require more tokens for that one.

would fix alot of heart burn


also if that 'set' is a really rare set....just make the token drop for that set rare...ect.

[Ronin_the_toon]

I understand what you mean man I got lucky on the belt and it dropped on the 41st pre mod raid the belt is crazy rare.

[spyderwolf]

for a little clarification on why i think 100 is too ********..my barb pulled it his 1st run and my fighter pulled it his 8th run.......

[Dariuss]

for a little clarification on why i think 100 is too ********..my barb pulled it his 1st run and my fighter pulled it his 8th run.......

ok so on one of you characters you haven't gotten it in an awful lot of runs, but on your other two you got it quite quickly... isn't that what randomness is all about?

I mean you start by saying you've run the raid 100 times and never seen it, then you say, 'oh but i got it in my first run on my other guy....'

sounds like you used up all your 'loot luck' on your other guy to me

[Allice]

you think so huh? ill tell ya what you picka random item out of any of the raids...do 100 of them with the same toon..and tell me what ya think about it if it nevers drops once. ill see ya in a year or so it takes ya to do it. :)


There is always the chance that you will not hit the role so like i said its possible to not get it after 100 tries unless its a static reward that is there every time. But to hit that number 100 times would be improbable.

Im not saying its not frustrating im just saying its possible but highly improbable for that to happen.

[Deathe]

Keep in mind it wasn't just Spyder, it hasn't dropped for ANYONE in ANY of the 100 runs that he's speaking of, that's BEYOND basic randomness, it's just bs.

- Dethe

[spyderwolf]

ok so on one of you characters you haven't gotten it in an awful lot of runs, but on your other two you got it quite quickly... isn't that what randomness is all about?

I mean you start by saying you've run the raid 100 times and never seen it, then you say, 'oh but i got it in my first run on my other guy....'

sounds like you used up all your 'loot luck' on your other guy to me

both of those toons pulled it BEFORE my pally's 100 run began......i havent seen the belt drop on anyone in any party i have been in in over a year in a half and i do a titan raid every 3 days

[TreknaQudane]

Keep in mind it wasn't just Spyder, it hasn't dropped for ANYONE in ANY of the 100 runs that he's speaking of, that's BEYOND basic randomness, it's just bs.

- Dethe

Take twelve person groups instead of six?

[spyderwolf]

Take twelve person groups instead of six?

75% of the grous are over 9 people

[Allice]

Keep in mind it wasn't just Spyder, it hasn't dropped for ANYONE in ANY of the 100 runs that he's speaking of, that's BEYOND basic randomness, it's just bs.

- Dethe


So i come to the conclusion that spider is so unlucky that it makes others unlucky?

[TechNoFear]

for a little clarification on why i think 100 is too ********..my barb pulled it his 1st run and my fighter pulled it his 8th run.......

So two drops in 109 runs.

That gives a probability of ~2% chance the belt will drop or an average of 50 runs to get the belt.

If the belts drop rate is greater than 2% then you have been unlucky.

If the belts drop rate is less than 2% then you have been LUCKY.

On average it appears you still have 41 to go before it is probable that you will have 3 belts.

POINT:
You complain that it in 100 runs you have not got a belt, but you ignore that you got the belt twice in 9 runs.

This is how probability works. There are good runs and bad runs. Over a large enough sample they even out.

[nittuo]

So, in summary, Spyder is never allowed to open any chest again...

Sorry about the belt, I am on the same path but my bit of tinsel is the bloodstone.

[Razvan]

Keep in mind it wasn't just Spyder, it hasn't dropped for ANYONE in ANY of the 100 runs that he's speaking of, that's BEYOND basic randomness, it's just bs.

- Dethe


Lol, no: that is EXACTLY what randomness is...duh!

[parvo]

so just hit titan run number 100. 32 pre mod 5 titans and 68 post mod 5 titans. 4 20th run end rewards. the god **** belt has never dropped for me or anyone in the ****ing party on any of those 100 raids and those 4 end reward list. how the **** is that fair? and before anyone ****ing posts on this post about o keep trying or o ive seen it drop. you do 100 raids wit hthe same toon on the same raid withotu ever seeing a particular item and then come back with your feedback for me.


You've turned the game into a grind. Turn it back into an adventure with permadeath.

[JacknCoke]

Why don't the devs just give you a check sheet you can check off what items you want on what # or raid. That would make it much easyer for you huh? Plus it would make boo-hoo threads stop almost all together. its a win win for both of us.

[Milolyen]

You've turned the game into a grind. Turn it back into an adventure with permadeath.

Nah that is just a different kind of grind. Some people hate leveling up. Some people hate running the same quests over and over. Playing permadeath is basically doing both of those things constantly. For me and a lot of others ... to play permadeath would be the quickest way to get us to leave the game.

Back to topic though. Sorry to hear about the bad luck. While it is highly unlikely for something like that to happen it is the nature of randomness. Out of my 60 + runs I have only seen it drop once myself. They just have the Percent for that belt set low and each time you roll, that loot dice does not take into account all the other rolls you made. While yes it does suck ... random is as random does.

Milolyen

[Cidolfas]

Assuming 2% is the number, I calculated the odds that this situation would occur.

Not in 32 pre-mod-5 raids: 27.08%

Not in 4 end-lists (assuming the list has 12 spots and repeats can be chosen - I'd need to know all the percents to calculate otherwise): 33.36%

Not in 68 runs (Normal 1d6, Hard 1d5, Elite 1d4):
Normal, 12 people: 6.23%
Normal, 9 people: 12.60%
Hard, 12 people: 3.53%
Hard, 9 people: 8.26%
Elite, 12 people: 1.49%
Elite, 9 people: 4.37%

Combined odds (assuming normal runs of 12 people): 0.56%
Or roughly 1 in 200 people to go through that scenario.

The odds of elite 12 man groups (that nobody has seen it): 0.13%

If all runs were elite 12 men runs under mod 5 rules: 0.02%

If the real drop rate is 5% I have to break out the scientific notation.

[Vengenance]

Maybe just really, really bad luck. I've seen the belt drop 3 times in about 80 runs and had it in my reward list on both of my 20th completions.

I'd be ****ed as well if I was you, but it may just be really, really, really, bad luck.

[Milolyen]

Assuming 2% is the number, I calculated the odds that this situation would occur.

Not in 32 pre-mod-5 raids: 27.08%

Not in 4 end-lists (assuming the list has 12 spots and repeats can be chosen - I'd need to know all the percents to calculate otherwise): 33.36%

Not in 68 runs (Normal 1d6, Hard 1d5, Elite 1d4):
Normal, 12 people: 6.23%
Normal, 9 people: 12.60%
Hard, 12 people: 3.53%
Hard, 9 people: 8.26%
Elite, 12 people: 1.49%
Elite, 9 people: 4.37%

Combined odds (assuming normal runs of 12 people): 0.56%
Or roughly 1 in 200 people to go through that scenario.

The odds of elite 12 man groups (that nobody has seen it): 0.13%

If all runs were elite 12 men runs under mod 5 rules: 0.02%

If the real drop rate is 5% I have to break out the scientific notation.

The thing is though. Each time you go in it is its own roll.

Lets take a look at the roulette wheel. Most people will tell you that if you see red (or black) numbers come up then bet black (or red) due to the odds of haveing 4 red (or black) numbers come up in a row is slim. However the likely hood of a black or red number to come up is the same be it the 1st or 4th.

Just because statistics say it is improbable that it will happen does not mean it wont.

Milolyen

[Dexxaan]

I hate it for you Spyder. So Sorry.

A guaranteed drop in 60 would be fair, 80 Acceptable, But 100 should allow you to get an unbound one to trade.!

[Hafeal]

Sry spider.

The good news is that you have had no real need for it as you have demonstrated an ability to complete 100 raids without it! :D

[Razvan]

Sry spider.

The good news is that you have had no real need for it as you have demonstrated an ability to complete 100 raids without it! :D


LOL, nice! :)

[Cruzer]

Thats the name of the game. I've done the titan maybe 20 times over all my toons, been playing since pre-release, and I've seen the belt drop twice - once to me and once to a guildie. I ended up deleting that toon that got the belt but thats besides the point. Its called random, not fair. I don't think loot tables ever claimed to be fair. The only thing the number of times you've done the raid counts for is your 20th run end reward. Otherwise, whether its your first run or your billionth, you have the same chance for that belt. I'd call you unlucky, but I've seen the other stuff you pull so I won't even offer you any cheese with that whine. ;)

[BlackSteel]

i've seen it drop twice in about 15 runs
ring once
and gloves never

[Sue_Dark]

I've seen every item in titan drop at least once (docent more than i can count) in about 18 runs. I have not obtained any of the items I want from any raid other than reaver (head).

My biggest question is, if you are able to beat the raid 100+ times, why worry about one item? Not good enough? OK dont ever short-man titan again to increase odds of the belt dropping and be prepared to pay thru the nose if it does. Supply and Demand have a way of twisting peoples perceptions of right and wrong.

Too bad about your bad luck, but I'm on a similar quest for a delving suit. Been killing Velah as long as she's been IG and only seen it drop 3x, one I lost roll off for with a guildmate! (s'ok tho, that was over a year ago and he still uses it) Otherwise I'd be bitter. ;)

[spyderwolf]

i think some poeple are missing my whole point its not that i didnt get the belt its that you can put in a year of wrok and do 100 raids and come away feeling unsatisfied. when that happens it kinda makes ya not wanna run that raid again ever on any toon.

[Proserpine]

You've turned the game into a grind. Turn it back into an adventure with permadeath.

you would know that he dosent die. Probally hasnt died in 2 yrs. Sucks about the belt, but you and I both know turbine will do JACK about it.

[Spisey]

Some people hate leveling up.
Milolyen

I think my ears are burning.... :P

[Tyrande]

Assuming 2% is the number, I calculated the odds that this situation would occur.

Not in 32 pre-mod-5 raids: 27.08%

Not in 4 end-lists (assuming the list has 12 spots and repeats can be chosen - I'd need to know all the percents to calculate otherwise): 33.36%

Not in 68 runs (Normal 1d6, Hard 1d5, Elite 1d4):
Normal, 12 people: 6.23%
Normal, 9 people: 12.60%
Hard, 12 people: 3.53%
Hard, 9 people: 8.26%
Elite, 12 people: 1.49%
Elite, 9 people: 4.37%

Combined odds (assuming normal runs of 12 people): 0.56%
Or roughly 1 in 200 people to go through that scenario.

The odds of elite 12 man groups (that nobody has seen it): 0.13%

If all runs were elite 12 men runs under mod 5 rules: 0.02%

If the real drop rate is 5% I have to break out the scientific notation.

Supposed you flip a coin. The odds of it landing on heads is the same every time you flip the coin.

Now, if you ask the odds of it not landing on heads n times in a row is different. I think you are
asking the former.

Out of anything else, it could be divine intervention, i.e. Olladra, the Eberron loot goddess does not want
Spyder to have it.

Every other Stormreach citizen would try to prevent Spyder from opening any new chests since Olladra is not with him. :)

[In_Like_Flynn]

People always want probability to work in their favor, and have no complaints when the improbable happens on the first try.

[GlassCannon]

People always want probability to work in their favor, and have no complaints when the improbable happens on the first try.

Didn't Disco it but hey, I have Air Rivals to play.

This is basically what the OP is complaining about, probability.


He should argue with mathematics.

[alchilito]

It is very frustrating when you see the loot tables after a 20th and absolutely nothing that benefits your character is in the list. I was very PO the night my WF wiz got all the useless loot in the titan, including armors and weapons. It would be awesome if raid loot tables were generated based on items that actually benefit you. And yes I had the the "end reward based on class" option clicked.

[Cruzer]

i think some poeple are missing my whole point its not that i didnt get the belt its that you can put in a year of wrok and do 100 raids and come away feeling unsatisfied. when that happens it kinda makes ya not wanna run that raid again ever on any toon.

I don't think anyones missing the point - its just theres nothing to really say about this. Some people have played for a year and never picked up a +2 tome. Or vorpal weapons. The only thing that happens when you complain about not getting an item is that you look silly at best. You did the titan 30-odd times before the raid loot change without getting it, and since the raid loot change you've done it another 60+ and still no go. So you can't really complain about the new system because the old loot system didn't help you out either. I've been playing the game a lot longer and doing dragon raids for a longer time than you and I've never gotten a sword of shadows or a helm of free will either. It how the game goes... we could all just respond by offering a tissue if it helps ya out any :)

[thisgamesull]

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[TommyBoy]

OP i feel for you I had to run delera's over 20 to get the carn

[BrianTheHun]

The real problem is because of Turbine. They want us to continually run the same raids for those low percentage items (titan belt, +3 tomes, etc) because it keeps us playing (and paying). They need to keep that carrot dangling in front of us to give us something to strive for (and keep paying). This makes some sense as a business decision, but it needs to change. It is frustrating to constantly grind the same quest every 3 days for 2 months only to see a list of the same things you already have or don't need, the things you typically give to newer players or just leave in the chest. And now you get to start a fresh 2 month grind in a likely futile attempt for that same item. Eventually, that hardcore player is going to get sick of the grind and cancel his subscription.

Turbine should make EVERY raid loot item for that quest available on every 20th completion. It is much more satisfying to gain the 1 item you've worked hard for than it is to see nothing you want yet again. Even if all you want are +3 tomes, you should have your choice each 20th. Let's be realistic here: it's hardly that terrible if a player gets a +3 tome for all 6 stats when he's spent nearly a year (or longer for most people) grinding the same raid to acquire them. Turbine made plenty of money from that player. Why not keep us happy? My main has 200+ raids completed, and everything I could want except for 2 +3 tomes and a w/p rapier. I can live without those things (and it seems as if I'll have to), but I still want them. Even if I get them today, it's not as if I'll cancel tomorrow.

[Cidolfas]

Supposed you flip a coin. The odds of it landing on heads is the same every time you flip the coin.

Now, if you ask the odds of it not landing on heads n times in a row is different. I think you are
asking the former.

Unless your name happens to be Rosencrantz or Guildernstern, that's true.

What I calculated were the odds, not of each run's chance of getting the belt, but of doing 100 runs as described by Spyder and not getting it. It's a very low chance that he hasn't seen one drop on his Paladin yet, but not out of the question. I just decided to see how random it was.

[spyderwolf]

I don't think anyones missing the point - its just theres nothing to really say about this. Some people have played for a year and never picked up a +2 tome. Or vorpal weapons. The only thing that happens when you complain about not getting an item is that you look silly at best. You did the titan 30-odd times before the raid loot change without getting it, and since the raid loot change you've done it another 60+ and still no go. So you can't really complain about the new system because the old loot system didn't help you out either. I've been playing the game a lot longer and doing dragon raids for a longer time than you and I've never gotten a sword of shadows or a helm of free will either. It how the game goes... we could all just respond by offering a tissue if it helps ya out any :)

im not complaining about new system vs old system im saying that the raid items in general that actually are useful have ******** drop %. and you havent done 100 dragon raids dougel so go do 100 and then come back with feedback. that or go take another break and play lotro some more :)

[croger1520033]

you think so huh? ill tell ya what you picka random item out of any of the raids...do 100 of them with the same toon..and tell me what ya think about it if it nevers drops once. ill see ya in a year or so it takes ya to do it. :)


Lol made a new ranger and the first titan run I did, the belt dropped for me. On run number 7 chattering ring, run 9 +2 tome. You just have **** luck, doesn't suprise me seeing as how much of a a hole you are.

Lol this also comes from a guy that tries to make people roll for their own raid loot, go cry me a river.

[GlassCannon]

Some of my chars have over 60, some over 40... but across 11 of them(3 deleted), I have done over 300 Titan runs, over 200 DQ runs(Yeah, MOD 3 was a very busy mod... 8x/week, every week), and still haven't seen certain items drop.

(Over 250 runs)On Velah, I have seen the Eye one time, the Boots 3 times, and the Sword one time. I have seen seven tomes drop in this raid.

(Over 200 runs)On DQ, I have seen the Torque only one time, and the Chaosblade twice. I have seen 3 tomes drop in this raid.

(300+ runs)On Titan I have seen the belt once in over a year and a half of intermittent raids. I used to play a LOT... around 80 hours a week. Now, close to 20, and I miss weeks. I have seen one tome drop in this raid.

(Over 200 runs) On Stormreaver, I have seen only one +3 tome drop in there. The rest of the items seem to drop more often than items from any other raid(which seems a bit odd), especially the Ventilated Bracers, which I would wager most every character with over 5 completions has a set or has sold a set by now. Tomes aren't exactly common by any means...

I do disagree that one should get exactly what they want on the first try, despite that being the purpose they came... but to not get what you are after in 200-300 runs is just crazy, especially when it is on the Table. On the 100th run, the list ought have been EVERY ITEM POSSIBLE from that chest, minus the fodder, but the Devs refused to make sense of it.

Edit: I do not posess any of the mentioned items above the Stormreaver section. Said +3 tome went to a Rogue, and applies to this, but is irrelevant due to drop rate.

[Leyoni]

for a little clarification on why i think 100 is too ********..my barb pulled it his 1st run and my fighter pulled it his 8th run.......

Just a bit of ignorance here, but what is the character class of the toon that ran 100 times? Are loot tables affected by class? I know end rewards are. It might be that a rogue/healer/caster has lower chances to get the item than a melee.

[spyderwolf]

Just a bit of ignorance here, but what is the character class of the toon that ran 100 times? Are loot tables affected by class? I know end rewards are. It might be that a rogue/healer/caster has lower chances to get the item than a melee.

its a paladin

[spyderwolf]

Lol made a new ranger and the first titan run I did, the belt dropped for me. On run number 7 chattering ring, run 9 +2 tome. You just have **** luck, doesn't suprise me seeing as how much of a a hole you are.

Lol this also comes from a guy that tries to make people roll for their own raid loot, go cry me a river.

and as most of sarlona knows i will help jsut abotu anyone out at anytime so yeah guess i am an a**hole that way. :) btw i dont really see your toons listed in your bio or anything .so its pretty easy to call people out if no one knows who ya are. :)


edit: and spyderwolf in the name is my main so most veterans o nsarlona know if i say somethign and they wanna respond they know were to find me croger1423856-1075-1571-7 or who ever the hell ya are :)

edit2: lol found out theres not even a reason to care about ya crgoer ..you are apparently an active troll :) http://forums.ddo.com/search.php?searchid=2058085 and the post about the special olypmics speaks volumes about your character mr. professor :)

[Cruzer]

im not complaining about new system vs old system im saying that the raid items in general that actually are useful have ******** drop %. and you havent done 100 dragon raids dougel so go do 100 and then come back with feedback. that or go take another break and play lotro some more :)

I said I've done the dragon longer as in time, not that I'd done it 100 times. I'm not simple enough to be amused at running the same raid 100+ times.

[spyderwolf]

since obviously this thread has degenerated so far and a dev isnt gonna respond to any of it, theres really no point in posting further. to everyone that posted (good or bad) thx for your opinions and views.

[Yuhjn]

a +6 strength greater false life belt put into a lvl 12 quest?

That's why it's rare... even at level 16 that item is overpowered.

Way back when they added the titan they made that belt SUPER SUPER SUPER rare.... which I agree is a stupid thing to do.

I feel bad for you, but the only thing I can say is:

If it's that hard to get, stop trying and just accept the fact that you have to use 2 inventory slots to get +6 str and GFL.

[soupertc]

The real problem is because of Turbine. They want us to continually run the same raids for those low percentage items (titan belt, +3 tomes, etc) because it keeps us playing (and paying). They need to keep that carrot dangling in front of us to give us something to strive for (and keep paying). This makes some sense as a business decision, but it needs to change. It is frustrating to constantly grind the same quest every 3 days for 2 months only to see a list of the same things you already have or don't need, the things you typically give to newer players or just leave in the chest. And now you get to start a fresh 2 month grind in a likely futile attempt for that same item. Eventually, that hardcore player is going to get sick of the grind and cancel his subscription.

Turbine should make EVERY raid loot item for that quest available on every 20th completion. It is much more satisfying to gain the 1 item you've worked hard for than it is to see nothing you want yet again. Even if all you want are +3 tomes, you should have your choice each 20th. Let's be realistic here: it's hardly that terrible if a player gets a +3 tome for all 6 stats when he's spent nearly a year (or longer for most people) grinding the same raid to acquire them. Turbine made plenty of money from that player. Why not keep us happy? My main has 200+ raids completed, and everything I could want except for 2 +3 tomes and a w/p rapier. I can live without those things (and it seems as if I'll have to), but I still want them. Even if I get them today, it's not as if I'll cancel tomorrow.



I totally disagree with getting a list of all the items on each 20th.....maybe 100, cause that is a hell of a grind. But just cause you want something doesn't mean you should always get it.

[MrWizard]

But just cause you want something doesn't mean you should always get it.

my ex girlfriend kept telling me that

[BillBob]

so just hit titan run number 100. 32 pre mod 5 titans and 68 post mod 5 titans. 4 20th run end rewards. the god **** belt has never dropped for me or anyone in the ****ing party on any of those 100 raids and those 4 end reward list. how the **** is that fair? and before anyone ****ing posts on this post about o keep trying or o ive seen it drop. you do 100 raids wit hthe same toon on the same raid withotu ever seeing a particular item and then come back with your feedback for me.

Again, as i said before, relying on total randomness (with no limiters) is bad game design and turbine must look into this. It only promotes a negative game experience for players. As an example, you should get a bound 'credit' or coin of some sort you can turn in for a specific item every 20th completion. The more rare and powerful raid loot can be worth 2-3 coins. At least it would guarantee a just reward for the time and effort spent. Having multiple identical pieces of raid loot is not an issue since they are bound. Raid weapons shouldn't be an issue either as long as they are balanced so that they are not overpowering when 2 of the same weapon is being wielded at once.

As for randomness in drops:

For example, the legendary T-21 in SWG. Starwars Galaxies implemented and relied too much on random generation and thus this legendary rifle dropped from a 'chest' with over approx ~5x the damage potential than the next best weapon in the game. Many legendary creatures and players characters fell to this weapon and it became an uncontrolled overbalancing issue. I believe there was also a Powerhammer that was similar as well...

"...but there is only a .000001% chance of that happening! It'll never happen!" ;)

[BrianTheHun]

I totally disagree with getting a list of all the items on each 20th.....maybe 100, cause that is a hell of a grind. But just cause you want something doesn't mean you should always get it.

Well, perhaps the first time you hit 20 may be a bit much to ask for, but the full list should certainly show up by your 40th completion. After all, that represents at least 4 months of grinding.

[soupertc]

my ex girlfriend kept telling me that

I think every girl I have ever meet has said that.

[Scropious]

so just hit titan run number 100. 32 pre mod 5 titans and 68 post mod 5 titans. 4 20th run end rewards. the god **** belt has never dropped for me or anyone in the ****ing party on any of those 100 raids and those 4 end reward list. how the **** is that fair? and before anyone ****ing posts on this post about o keep trying or o ive seen it drop. you do 100 raids wit hthe same toon on the same raid withotu ever seeing a particular item and then come back with your feedback for me.

I know how u feel. How about 100 reavers without a +3 tome. happened to me 6 out of the 16 raid items are tomes. so 38% one will be a tome. then u get 8 chances on 20th run so if u think about it its more like 6-16, 6-15, 6-14, 6-13, 6-12, 6-11, 6-10, 6-9, or 38%,40%,43%,46%,50%,55%,60%,67% and thats just odds for 20th run. go figure 6 20th runs later finally at 120 got one on my tank and it was a +3int tome maybe ill have a better chance hitting the lotto