Least Mark of the Sentinel

[Delacroix21]

Hey there Dev's! I was wondering if we could look into getting this mark changed from the cleric spell: Shield of Faith.... to the wizard spell Shield.


Here are some reasons why=
1. shield spell stacks with everything except a shield (casters, DWers, and THers rejoice!)
2. shield spell is self only, and no potions (only wands and clickies exist of this)
3. protection items are common, rendering shield of faith useless
4. shield spell stops magic missles, shield of faith does not
5. shield of faith is allready castable on other characters
6. shield of faith potions are easily bought from vendors allready


Can you please change this dragonmark? As it is preety darn gimpy as is. =(

[GeneralDiomedes]

let me guess .. you want to roll up a human monk?

[captain1z]

That would make the Least Dragonmark a must have for every fighter on the planet. For 1 Feat you now have 3 clicks of 16 min duration shield spell. This would become manditory........... I cant think of a downside to spending a feat on this ........... forget the other 2 levels of it that are suppossed to be better.

[Borror0]

let me guess .. you want to roll up a human monk?

I had the same reaction. :D

@Delacroix: Look at it this way, by level 18, this feat would save a human an item slot for a +5 Protection item and give him a bonus to Intimidate.

[Dylos_Moon]

@Delacroix: Look at it this way, by level 18, this feat would save a human an item slot for a +5 Protection item and give him a bonus to Intimidate.

Though shield of faith maxes out at a +4 bonus.

While Shield would be great (and used more), it does not fit the flavor of House Deneith. All of the spells that the Mark of the Sentinel gives can benefit other members of the party just as much, if not more, then the bearer of the mark. A Sentinel is a guard, in the case of Eberron lore, House Deneith usually serves others as bodyguards, this is why shield would not fit the flavor of the mark, shield can bestow no bonus onto another member of the group.

Shield of Faith may not be the best spell to spend a feat on, and it is definitely not the spell I would actually pick during character creation from the least powers the dragonmark can preform, but it is only 1 of 2 choices that are currently implemented in ddo, the other being Mage Armor. Personally, the spell I would like to use the least mark for is Shield Other (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shieldOther.htm), however, I am unsure of how useful that would be in ddo as well, unless one had quite a few hp.

And actually, a monk might be the only class that would benefit from the Greater Mark of the Sentinel, as they MIGHT still be able to heal in the Globe of Invulnerability (Which for some reason makes potions useless).

[Borror0]

Though shield of faith maxes out at a +4 bonus.

Nope! (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/ShieldOfFaith.htm)


Personally, the spell I would like to use the least mark for is Shield Other (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shieldOther.htm), however, I am unsure of how useful that would be in ddo as well, unless one had quite a few hp.

I have been told before it would be added for fear of possible exploits.


(Which for some reason makes potions useless).

LOL

[Dylos_Moon]

Seriously, the whole Greater Mark of the Sentinel making potions useless ticked me off so much I swapped the feat out even though my build had been based on it. Now my would-be mage-killer Ranger is just a Str Archer with shield of faith and protection from energy clickies.

The only way you can be healed in a globe of invulnerability is if someone uses a level 6 or higher spell on you (i.e. Heal), and also, the party tends to hate it when you drop one and they all keep standing in it -.-

But I might still consider having a monk with it, have to decide between Sentinel and Passage by tomorrow :(

EDIT: from the SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/globeOfInvulnerabilityLesser.htm): Excluded effects include spell-like abilities and spells or spell-like effects from items.
This would mean clickies and potions are not meant to be disabled by the globe if i am reading this correctly.

[Gennerik]

That would make the Least Dragonmark a must have for every fighter on the planet. For 1 Feat you now have 3 clicks of 16 min duration shield spell. This would become manditory........... I cant think of a downside to spending a feat on this ........... forget the other 2 levels of it that are suppossed to be better.

So what's the difference between that and having it on 5 clickies that you rotate through, or the Post-Abbot Armor (14 minutes of nightshield by turning in your amulet) if you're using it for the defense against magic/force missiles. If you're using it for the AC, then +4 AC is only beneficial when you're two-handed or two-weapon fighting, and most of the time either type of characters don't have a high enough AC for a +4 shield bonus to matter on high-end content. So basically, either way, the feat is mainly useful for low- and mid-level content (probably less than level 9), which sounds fine to me. Yes, there are some quests where things still cast force missiles at you later on, but they are few and far between in high-level content. And when it is useful, it doesn't last 16 minutes. When it's really useful (low-levels), it only lasts for a few minutes at a time. Hardly game-breaking, and it would be nice to have dragonmarks that are useful that can't just as easily be duplicated by drinking a potion.

[Delacroix21]

Yep I do plan on making a human monk, which this would benefit. This would benefit lots of humans in general, which was exactly my point.


Shield of faith is a strong spell in DnD, but not in DDO. Shield is a much better spell with far more uses to the playerbase.

[Borror0]

EDIT: from the SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/globeOfInvulnerabilityLesser.htm): Excluded effects include spell-like abilities and spells or spell-like effects from items.
This would mean clickies and potions are not meant to be disabled by the globe if i am reading this correctly.

Ouch. - Bug report it and post on the Bug Hunter Lodge (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=136474)?

[MysticTheurge]

I have been told before it would be added for fear of possible exploits.

Which I still don't understand.


Shield of faith is a strong spell in DnD, but not in DDO. Shield is a much better spell with far more uses to the playerbase.

Shield of Faith would be a stronger spell if Protection Items weren't so readily available (or, more specifically, if they had higher MLs).

[Dylos_Moon]

Ouch. - Bug report it and post on the Bug Hunter Lodge (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=136474)?

I'll have to test it again first, the last time i used it was a couple mods ago, I'll test varies monk abilities at the same time with it.