Feat: Extra Spell Slot

[Aspenor]

Please? Pretty please?

I want it at level 18.

Do it or the halfling gets it.

[Allistair]

Please? Pretty please?

I want it at level 18.

Do it or the halfling gets it.

Now we won't get it for sure.
How many people would LOVE to see the Halflin' get it??
I know I would :D

[Jondallar]

Please? Pretty please?

I want it at level 18.

Do it or the halfling gets to live.

Fixed it for you Asp

[MysticTheurge]

I think extra spell slot would just be way too powerful in DDO.

[Hambo]

Please? Pretty please?

I want it at level 18.

Do it or the halfling gets it.

Does this mean I have to watch my back from now on? :D

[Aspenor]

I think extra spell slot would just be way too powerful in DDO.

Why?

[MysticTheurge]

Why?

Really? The spell-point system quite clearly makes this feat significantly more powerful than it is intended to be (and is in a spell-slot system).

The only thing really holding casters back in many cases is the fact that you kind of have to choose (sometimes) between a few good spells at a given spell level. What you'd be giving up in exchange for that really just doesn't compare to the extra power you'd get in exchange. This feat would quite simply be a no-brainer for almost every caster.

[Yaga_Nub]

This feat would quite simply be a no-brainer for almost every caster.

Yeah but think of what you might have to give up.

There would be definite risk/rewards for taking it v not taking it so it might not be a "no-brainer."

[MysticTheurge]

Yeah but think of what you might have to give up.

What are you giving up, exactly?

A wizard's not really giving up much of any thing.

A sorcerer's not giving up much considering the increase in power this gives him.

A cleric can probably even pull it off without losing much.

[Aspenor]

What are you giving up, exactly?

A wizard's not really giving up much of any thing.

A sorcerer's not giving up much considering the increase in power this gives him.

A cleric can probably even pull it off without losing much.

A sorcerer is losing a metamagic he could have taken, obviously. If this feat was implemented mine would not have Quicken, which I will take at level 18 if this one is not implemented.

Some sorcerers may choose to drop powerful feats such as Force of Personality for it as well.

[MysticTheurge]

A sorcerer is losing a metamagic he could have taken, obviously. If this feat was implemented mine would not have Quicken, which I will take at level 18 if this one is not implemented.

Some sorcerers may choose to drop powerful feats such as Force of Personality for it as well.

What feats does your sorcerer currently have?

[Aspenor]

What feats does your sorcerer currently have?

Heighten, Maximize, Empower, Extend, Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration and Force of Personality. I think that covers it....

[MysticTheurge]

Heighten, Maximize, Empower, Extend, Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration and Force of Personality. I think that covers it....

And what spell(s) do you want to pick up?

[Aspenor]

And what spell(s) do you want to pick up?

I don't know for sure....either web or mass suggestion.

[MysticTheurge]

And you really think adding another spell to your sorcerer's repertoire isn't a significantly large improvement in his already-generous combat capabilities?

[Yaga_Nub]

And you really think adding another spell to your sorcerer's repertoire isn't a significantly large improvement in his already-generous combat capabilities?

You might restate that MT, you're speaking to Asp not someone that's actually accomplished anything in the game.


j/k Asp. Luv ya!

[Aspenor]

And you really think adding another spell to your sorcerer's repertoire isn't a significantly large improvement in his already-generous combat capabilities?

Feats are meant to be "significant" improvements.

I fail to see how asking for another option to add to power is wrong.

[MysticTheurge]

I fail to see how asking for another option to add to power is wrong.

Because it's significantly more powerful (thanks to the spell point system) than that feat is meant to be.

On top of the fact that spellcasters are more powerful (thanks to the spell point system) than they were meant to be.

On top of the fact that spellcasters are more powerful (even without the spell point system) than most other classes.

[Krago]

It would be the same as getting a "free level" for casters. To get those extra slots, you need more levels. Being able to get this ability from a feat would be a free level. That is how I see it being over-powered.

[MageLL]

I would think that only sorcs would actually use this feat. I seem to remember somebody else asking if they could trade out un-used spell slots for more mana or something.

As for the idea itself, as a wizard I would be a little upset if a sorc could get more spell slots cus I'd feel even more gimped with my 800+ less mana and extendo cast times. On the other side I also play a sorc and know that there are a few hard choices to make when selecting spells. I could go either way.

Good idea for discussion I think.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

What are you giving up, exactly?

A wizard's not really giving up much of any thing. Of course they are, even my wizard uses all his feats

A sorcerer's not giving up much considering the increase in power this gives him. It's extremely powerful for a Sorc, but then a Sorc has so few feats what would you give up? It would definately cost a sorc more on the lost feat than it would cost the wiz, and it would also help her more. Sounds like balance to me.

A cleric can probably even pull it off without losing much.For a cleric the feat would seem to be an underpowered waste. The spell selection is so poor in D&D I can't think what spell I'd add...

Asp I'm with you on this one, please add it Devs!

[dameron]

What are you giving up, exactly?

A wizard's not really giving up much of any thing.

A sorcerer's not giving up much considering the increase in power this gives him.


Really? My sorcerers have plenty of slots they almost never use so I can't imagine taking this feat.

Hell, I'd happily give up two spell slots for an extra feat.

[rawfocat]

Really? My sorcerers have plenty of slots they almost never use so I can't imagine taking this feat.

Hell, I'd happily give up two spell slots for an extra feat.

What spell on your sorc would you lose and what spells do you currently have at that level? I can not think of a level where I would give up a spell slot for another feat and I can think of multiple spells that I would love to have. Example: mass suggestion and web, plus polar ray if we ever get potency 8 items

[GeneralDiomedes]

I'm not getting how this feat is so overpowered that it needs special formatting to rebut.

Having an extra spell slot would give a Sorcerer some extra versatility in certain quests. This is just giving someone another way to accomplish a task that could still be completed the current way they are doing it with existing spells.

[Yaga_Nub]

It would be the same as getting a "free level" for casters. To get those extra slots, you need more levels. Being able to get this ability from a feat would be a free level. That is how I see it being over-powered.

Except you aren't getting your caster level increased and you aren't getting extra hit points, mana, etc. for the free level.

So how is it like getting a free level?

[Krago]

So how is it like getting a free level?

True, I should have been exact when I said that the added spell slots is the "pseudo" extra level. Except you dont actually get to level your toon, so no extra hp, sp etc.

But unless I am remisced, dont you have to increase your caster level to increase the number of spells that you can have memed, so it is like gaining an extra level through the use of a feat.

[GramercyRiff]

Extra spell means very little in a game where spell selection is so small. This is one of the reasons the sorcerer is so clearly superior to the wizard in DDO. With only a handful of spells relative to pnp, one of the wizard's greatest strengths is taken away.

Extra spell would benefit the sorcerer more. It wouldn't be that big of deal, however, since arcane casters only cast about five different spells anyway.

[MysticTheurge]

In D&D, "Extra Spell Slot" just doesn't do what you guys want it to do. Notably, it doesn't increase a sorcerer's Spells Known.

Mental Toughness is our Extra Spell Slot feat. And that feat is on par with the D&D feat in terms of power. It lets you cast an extra spell (two in DDO) during the day.

[Turial]

In D&D, "Extra Spell Slot" just doesn't do what you guys want it to do. Notably, it doesn't increase a sorcerer's Spells Known.

Mental Toughness is our Extra Spell Slot feat. And that feat is on par with the D&D feat in terms of power. It lets you cast an extra spell (two in DDO) during the day.

Correct, I think the sorcerer equalavent of this would be something like "Extra Spell Known". Remember sorcs don't have spell slots...they just know a set number of spells. This feat would in a spell slot system just let a wizard, cleric, ranger, or paladin memorize an additional spell of the level they choose for the slot when they take the feat. I think its 1 spell level below your current max spells when you take it, so a wiz who can mem level 5 spells could use this feat to have an extra spell to memorize for levels 1, 2, 3, or 4 depending on which spell level they assign it to.

[GramercyRiff]

In D&D, "Extra Spell Slot" just doesn't do what you guys want it to do. Notably, it doesn't increase a sorcerer's Spells Known.

Mental Toughness is our Extra Spell Slot feat. And that feat is on par with the D&D feat in terms of power. It lets you cast an extra spell (two in DDO) during the day.

There's Extra Spell, which gives the recipient an extra spell known (from his spell list, albeit one level lower than his highest spell level), and there's Extra Slot, which gives another spell slot (enabling the caster to cast more spells).

Extra Spell is assuredly useless to a wizard, and has a marginal benefit for a Sorcerer, an already feat starved class. Extra Slot already exists with Mental Tougness and its Improved big sister.

Neither of these feats are very good in either environment in my opinion. It'd just be a waste of dev resources to implement.