Discussion: Future Favor Rewards

[sirgog]

What would you like to see as future rewards for hitting total favor milestones (such as the current 400 and 1750)?

Discuss! My suggestions next post.

[sirgog]

750 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain a bound +1 tome of your choice, plus you unlock Aasimar and Tiefling as two additional playable races. Both are incompatible with 32 point builds (just as Drow currently are).

I think 750 is a reasonable number here as first-time players will tend to hit this by about the time they first hit level 12, so it's available with less grind than the 1750 milestone, which tends to come well after cap. Also, a +1 tome is something newer players will appreciate, as it is a significant reward. Veterans will scoff at it, but it isn't aimed at them.

1250 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain a bound +2 tome of your choice, plus you unlock elite difficulty on all quests on your present character.

+2 tomes aren't as special as they used to be, so no biggie about making one easily available. Unlocking Elite on all quests makes hitting 1750 less of a grind and more enjoyable as you can leap straight into the semi-challenging version of a quest without having to grind normal and hard or beg for an opener.

2250 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain an additional feat of your choice, taken from the general list (i.e. the same list you could pick from if you had just leveled up).

An extra feat is a significant reward for a significant effort, but nothing gamebreaking.

2700 - Turn in to Nyx. Bound +3 tome of your choice, plus you unlock elite difficulty on all quests on all characters you currently have or roll in future on the current server.

A +3 tome is a special reward, and so it's not easy to get. Global Elite unlock was someone else's suggestion, but makes a lot of sense - people who have 32 point twinked toons can kinda wreck a group on a newbie, this reduces the number of such twinked toons that will join in (say) Delara's Normal groups at level 6-7 and ruin a new player's first experience of that quest chain by running through it faster than a cat on fire.



There's my suggestions. Fire away with yours...

[Halpo]

I want nothing else for favor your suggestions would just be over powered more. Its bad enough these toons are way over powered compared to PNP I see no sense adding more over powered additions such as additional feats or additional guaranteed tomes. Besides if you want more feats pick a class that has them.

[Turial]

750 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain a bound +1 tome of your choice, plus you unlock Aasimar and Tiefling as two additional playable races. Both are incompatible with 32 point builds (just as Drow currently are).

I think 750 is a reasonable number here as first-time players will tend to hit this by about the time they first hit level 12, so it's available with less grind than the 1750 milestone, which tends to come well after cap. Also, a +1 tome is something newer players will appreciate, as it is a significant reward. Veterans will scoff at it, but it isn't aimed at them.

1250 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain a bound +2 tome of your choice, plus you unlock elite difficulty on all quests on your present character.

+2 tomes aren't as special as they used to be, so no biggie about making one easily available. Unlocking Elite on all quests makes hitting 1750 less of a grind and more enjoyable as you can leap straight into the semi-challenging version of a quest without having to grind normal and hard or beg for an opener.

2250 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain an additional feat of your choice, taken from the general list (i.e. the same list you could pick from if you had just leveled up).

An extra feat is a significant reward for a significant effort, but nothing gamebreaking.

2700 - Turn in to Nyx. Bound +3 tome of your choice, plus you unlock elite difficulty on all quests on all characters you currently have or roll in future on the current server.

A +3 tome is a special reward, and so it's not easy to get. Global Elite unlock was someone else's suggestion, but makes a lot of sense - people who have 32 point twinked toons can kinda wreck a group on a newbie, this reduces the number of such twinked toons that will join in (say) Delara's Normal groups at level 6-7 and ruin a new player's first experience of that quest chain by running through it faster than a cat on fire.



There's my suggestions. Fire away with yours...

750 seems about right for the reward, though maybe split the two races where you get a choice of one at 750 and then the other when you hit 1500 favor (two nice races at the same time plus a tome of your choice seems a little much which is why I suggest the choice of the race and splitting them).

1250 I would have this unlock hard for all quests rather then elite. Save full elite unlocking for a higher favor level. Opening hard also would make the 1750 favor a little easier without making it a cake walk.

2250 Not sure on allowing a choice of general feats...maybe a static feat choice (along the lines of draconic toughness from the giant hold favor) one choice boosts melee, one boosts casters, and one boosts ranged character types.

2700 Seems right for this level of favor and where I would give players access to elite content. (I wouldnt do the global flag simply because the favor rewards are something I think develops the character that you are making and the journey to that reward is more important)

The question then becomes what to have for the other factions?

[redoubt]

750 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain a bound +1 tome of your choice, plus you unlock Aasimar and Tiefling as two additional playable races. Both are incompatible with 32 point builds (just as Drow currently are).

I think 750 is a reasonable number here as first-time players will tend to hit this by about the time they first hit level 12, so it's available with less grind than the 1750 milestone, which tends to come well after cap. Also, a +1 tome is something newer players will appreciate, as it is a significant reward. Veterans will scoff at it, but it isn't aimed at them.

1250 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain a bound +2 tome of your choice, plus you unlock elite difficulty on all quests on your present character.

+2 tomes aren't as special as they used to be, so no biggie about making one easily available. Unlocking Elite on all quests makes hitting 1750 less of a grind and more enjoyable as you can leap straight into the semi-challenging version of a quest without having to grind normal and hard or beg for an opener.


I don't like the idea of unlocking elite on quests you have never run on any character. The idea I proposed before was based on an unlock a couple levels below what you had to be to get the favor. For example, when the 1750 favor came out you had to do almost everything on elite to get it. I think it was the desert and the cap was still 10. The idea would be to open all quests to elite up to level 8. (If the cap was 12, then to level 10.) Most likely the quest you did not have on elite would be in the last two levels as they were the hardest for the cap at the time.

You could put in multiple levels of this or just do one at the cap.

2250 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain an additional feat of your choice, taken from the general list (i.e. the same list you could pick from if you had just leveled up).

An extra feat is a significant reward for a significant effort, but nothing gamebreaking.

2700 - Turn in to Nyx. Bound +3 tome of your choice, plus you unlock elite difficulty on all quests on all characters you currently have or roll in future on the current server.

A +3 tome is a special reward, and so it's not easy to get. Global Elite unlock was someone else's suggestion, but makes a lot of sense - people who have 32 point twinked toons can kinda wreck a group on a newbie, this reduces the number of such twinked toons that will join in (say) Delara's Normal groups at level 6-7 and ruin a new player's first experience of that quest chain by running through it faster than a cat on fire.



There's my suggestions. Fire away with yours...


:D

[VonBek]

I'd like to see something about the 1000 favor point. A bound +1 tome wouldn't hurt.

Perhaps a new favor trick. An NPC gives you a magic widget. Cram the widget and your favorite armor/item/weapon into a device and get that item bound and upgraded one "plus" so it can stay useful for another level.

Something useful for inventory, like a double capacity quiver, scroll case, etc...

Relatively minor perks along those lines work better (at least for me).

[Lcdr_Swizzle]

I would also like to see a small change in the adventure areas, in that everytime you complete something (rares, explores, slayer total) you get some favor points for the house in question, or free agents, or argonossen or whomever.

So you can only get a few points, but this might motivate some people to grind there.

[JacknCoke]

I think the favor reward for 1750 should be a coupon for a bound +5 power 5 weapon you can only use on Tuesdays at 4am est on leap years if you don't have a single caped toon on your account. That way its fair and not out of balance.

[oogly54]

More bank space.
More backpack space
Lower cost of goods (pots, scrolls, wands, tec.), you are increasing yuor reputation right?
Faster Time Warp
More teleports
higher level semi-permanant buffs. (greater hero comes to mind)
Mounts!

All I can think of right now, will add more later.

[BattleCircle]

2000 favor choice of crafting ingrediants or cleansing item:eek:

[I_Bob]

More bank space.
More backpack space
Lower cost of goods (pots, scrolls, wands, tec.), you are increasing yuor reputation right?
Faster Time Warp
More teleports
higher level semi-permanant buffs. (greater hero comes to mind)
Mounts!

All I can think of right now, will add more later.

signed - not overpowered but very useful, adding those last 2 bank slots in as well

[Turial]

For the next House D favor reward I would like to see tactical amunition be sold at the House D favor vendor:

Ammo with the following attributes Weighted, crippling, tendon slice, shatter, and the one or two others I'm missing.
Essentially the ammo would be coded like a melee weapon with the Effect x% which means it doesnt go off each hit but a player has the chance to have their ranged attacks carry tactical power (seeing as they don't seem to want to implement ranged tactical feats). I would say the x% should be around 3% kinda like how the arrows are +3 to prevent as much power creep.

For house P I would like to see the expert accessory repair vendor become accessable as well as some higher level persistant buffs.

House K could provide an additional bank slot that could be shared accross the characters on your account...thus any items put into that slot would show up in that same slot on your other characters providing they also obtained that level of favor with house K. If you didnt have additional characters or ones with enough favor for that functionality the slot would just function like an additional bank bag.

House J.... More powerful forms of wands and scrolls, such as a wand of cure light wounds with a caster level of 8 rather then 4 (yeah I know the number isnt what the caster level actually is but it serves a point). Also some higher level persistant buffs.

[CDevil]

2000 Favor - Unbound +2 Tome of choice

2500 Favor - Bound +3 Tome of choice

3000 Favor - New character slot with +4 points for stat purchases (32points for Drow characters, 36 for nondrow) FOR THAT SLOT ONLY

[sirgog]

3000 Favor - New character slot with +4 points for stat purchases (32points for Drow characters, 36 for nondrow) FOR THAT SLOT ONLY


I really don't like the idea of allowing more build points. It's something that really brings on severe powercreep, and will royally **** off players that can't invest the time to get it.

Personally I think 32-point builds at 1750 was a bit of a mistake (and that's coming from someone that's done that very grind twice). Granting a bonus to alts that makes otherwise unviable builds viable isn't much fun, IMO.

Had I not had 32-point builds, I would never have rolled Disector, and Numot would be mediocre at best at endgame.

[Naso24]

I like these ideas...however, I would be happy if the current favor lines were enhanced to be more level appropriate. Unlock more house P or J spells. Unlock more silver flame equipment. Unlock an extra bank or backpack slot. Unlock more variety in house D arrows. Unlock some other consumable favor (Argonessen or The Twelve). A lot could be done to make the game more conveinient without being game breaking.

[Borror0]

1250 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain a bound +2 tome of your choice, plus you unlock elite difficulty on all quests on your present character.

I'd move the open on Elite to 1750, you can reach 1250 without even trying. I wouldn't have any problem putting the 32 build reward lower than 1750 though.


2250 - Turn in to Nyx. Gain an additional feat of your choice, taken from the general list (i.e. the same list you could pick from if you had just leveled up).

Too powerful, and do you have any idea onm how it would affect character building?!:eek:


2700 - Turn in to Nyx. Bound +3 tome of your choice, plus you unlock elite difficulty on all quests on all characters you currently have or roll in future on the current server.

A +3 tome is a special reward, and so it's not easy to get. Global Elite unlock was someone else's suggestion, but makes a lot of sense

Makes a lot of sense, cannot say I disagree.

[Borror0]

More bank space. House K
More backpack space Coin Lords
Lower cost of goods (pots, scrolls, wands, tec.), you are increasing yuor reputation right? Free agents
Faster Time Warp House P
More teleports The Twelve?
higher level semi-permanant buffs. (greater hero comes to mind) House P
Mounts! Not to be implemented in DDO. Waste of resources.

Those make good House reward, but they couldn't be Total Favor reward. that'"d make too little sense sicne they are improvement to previous favor rewards.
I've written what belong to what patron in red.


3000 Favor - New character slot with +4 points for stat purchases (32points for Drow characters, 36 for nondrow) FOR THAT SLOT ONLY

No please, no.

[DasLurch]

Here's some of my ideas:

House D:
- at 250 favor all vendors in and associated with House D, a +5-10 to that characters haggle skill when dealing with them.
- at 400 the player would receive the ability to buy "stury" versions of transmuting arrows.
- at 500 favor, the option of taking the 1st level of that house's dragon mark or the next level of proggression if already obtained.*

House K:
- at 250 favor another bank slot availible for purchase
- at 400 favor another bank slot availible for purchase
- at 500 favor, the option to take the 1st level of that house's dragon mark or the next level availible for proggression.*

House P:
- at 225 favor more spell options open up. (shield, energy protections (around 150pts), stone skin (level 12), Expeditious Retreat)
- at 350 favor more spell options open up. (30 resists, 30 min blur, heroism (not greater), focusing chant)
- at 500 favor, the option to take the 1st level of that house's dragon mark or the next level availible for proggression.*

House J:
- at 250 favor more spells open up. (barkskin +4, longstrider, find traps, Shield of Faith +5, energy protections (200pts)
- at 400 favor that character has the option to buy highly discounted bound wands and scrolls of certain spells.
- at 500 favor, the option to take the 1st level of that house's dragon mark or the next level availible for proggression.*

Coin Lords:
- at 200 favor the character gains the ability to visit the stormreach barber
- at 275 favor that character gains 1 free feat respec from Fred
- at 400 favor that character gains a permanant +5 to their haggle skill

The 12:
- at 175 favor, the ability to buy discounted wands, potions, and scrolls from the wards vendors. List will have some unoffered options
- at 250 favor that character gains a clickie that allows direct transport to the portable hole
- at 400 favor that character gains one of the following:
1) a permanent +1 natural AC bonus and a permanant DR of 1
2) 50 bonus MP that stacks with everything

Agents of Argonnessen:
- at 200 favor that character gains another 10 hp bonus

House Cainieth: (not a current house in Stormreach but here's hoping we may see it open up. Also not certain of the spelling :) )
- at 50 favor, character gets the option of a large gem bag, collectable bag, or quiver
- at 100 favor the option of taking another large bag or quiver

House Orien: (not a current house in Stormreach but here's hoping we may see it open up :) )
- at 50 favor, that character recieves a 10% discount on all mail sent by that character.
- at 120 favor, that character gains a permanent +5% run speed boost.

Free Agents:
- at 500 favor, that character gains a permanent title of Hero of Stormreach under their name and guild name

Silver Flame:
- at 500 favor, that character gains the ability to purchase Heal pots that bind to that character.

TOTAL FAVOR REWARDS:
- at 2500 total favor, that character's account gains an extra character slot (only can be obtained once)
- at 3500 total favor, that character gains the option oftaking 1 of 2 random unbound +2 tomes or a bound +3 tome of their choice

* This can only be taken once per character and from only 1 house. This can NOT be respecced out of once taken.

[Auran82]

I wouldn't mind some kind of favor reward for 28 point characters to be able to get their 4 extra build points somehow after they have unlocked 32 point builds.

The free +2 tome doesn't count, you can get that on a 32 point character as well.

Or just some way to re-roll the character with all bound loot and favor and have to level them up again.

[DasLurch]

I wouldn't mind some kind of favor reward for 28 point characters to be able to get their 4 extra build points somehow after they have unlocked 32 point builds.

The free +2 tome doesn't count, you can get that on a 32 point character as well.

Or just some way to re-roll the character with all bound loot and favor and have to level them up again.

That would be nice too. Good one!

[sirgog]

Silver Flame:
- at 500 favor, that character gains the ability to purchase Heal pots that bind to that character.


We already get this at 400!

The potions have a little kick though, meaning you'll want to scull them and then hide for thirty seconds.

[jamie_lannister]

More Bank Space! Nuff Said

[Borror0]

The potions have a little kick though, meaning you'll want to scull them and then hide for thirty seconds.

I think he wants that part removed. ;)

[sirgog]

I think he wants that part removed. ;)

It's a key balancing feature on them, however.

Otherwise, you'll have tanks being expected to carry 250 of the Heal pots to melee the Fiend, and groups of 10 tanks, 1 bard and 1 caster being the only groups in the Shroud.

[oogly54]

Those make good House reward, but they couldn't be Total Favor reward. that'"d make too little sense sicne they are improvement to previous favor rewards.
I've written what belong to what patron in red.

Is there something wrong with gaining favor with the houses for helping out the enitre city? Our reputation as a hero (heroine, sorry ladies)is growing everywhere. Can we add quests to the houses or assign new quest to the favor line reguardless of where they are? I see what you are saying, but that is just story line adusting to make things make since in the future.

[Borror0]

Is there something wrong with gaining favor with the houses for helping out the enitre city? Our reputation as a hero (heroine, sorry ladies)is growing everywhere. Can we add quests to the houses or assign new quest to the favor line reguardless of where they are? I see what you are saying, but that is just story line adusting to make things make since in the future.

Errr... you'e missed my point.

It's just that those rewards should be saved for House reward rather than Total Favor.

[Venar]

Partial rewards:
- Bank Space
- A large bag of your choice (Collectable, Gem, Soul)

Total Rewards:
- a +2 skill tome
- a unique crafting ingredient: Adds +1 to a weapon or armor (bounds item, cannot exceed +5)