Character Slots for Monks?

[Starspawn]

I haven't seen anything anywhere yet so I'm wondering if we can get a definitive answer. Will we be getting an extra character slot for monks? We got an extra slot when drow were introduced and we got extra slots when we hit 1750 favor. I currently have 9 character slots on my main server (with my 1750 favor character). Coincidentally, there are 9 different character classes so during the almost 2 years since we got drow, I reserved one slot for each character class and at least one of each character race and have leveled up a character of each class. I don't have any room to try monks and I don't particularly want to delete a character to create a monk. I like to run a character of every different class and race just to experience the content of DDO from different racial and class perspectives.

Please please please make sure that we get another slot for monks so I can have fun leveling up a monk to add to my stable of characters.

Can I get a confirmation that we will?

If not, can someone explain why we're not going to get one?

[Dracolich]

I dont have an answer but will chime in on my thoughts.

I hope they add an additional character slot...to those that are not already above their current max.(IE those that did not take advantage of the server merge by making toons on all servers) Those people already have their extra ones. If they do not add an aditional slot I myself wont be too effected but I can see were others will be.

[narizue]

I think that an additional character slot is pretty much essential from a PR standpoint. I know that I did not open up extra slots via the merger or that other method that shall not be named, but I have a full set of characters. I want to play a monk but would either have to delete an existing character or start playing on a new server. Neither is a particularly appealing option. Some comment one way or the other from our wonderful community relations team would certainly be appreciated. I don't know, or even no is better than silence.

[Memnir]

If the answer is No to the question of getting more character slots, I know a lot of folks who will leave. I'm not saying that as any sort of threat, since I'm not one of them - just stating what I've been told by many friends and acquaintances in the past few weeks. I know a lot of people.

With a brand new MMO fresh out of the gates, this would be a really bad time to give people an excuse to go and check it out.

[Dark_Helmet]

I haven't seen anything anywhere yet so I'm wondering if we can get a definitive answer. Will we be getting an extra character slot for monks? We got an extra slot when drow were introduced and we got extra slots when we hit 1750 favor. I currently have 9 character slots on my main server (with my 1750 favor character). Coincidentally, there are 9 different character classes so during the almost 2 years since we got drow, I reserved one slot for each character class and at least one of each character race and have leveled up a character of each class. I don't have any room to try monks and I don't particularly want to delete a character to create a monk. I like to run a character of every different class and race just to experience the content of DDO from different racial and class perspectives.

Please please please make sure that we get another slot for monks so I can have fun leveling up a monk to add to my stable of characters.

Can I get a confirmation that we will?

If not, can someone explain why we're not going to get one?

Not to mention no slots to handle multi-classed characters or different races...
Before the server consolidation, they advertised that we would have plenty of slots since we could just create characters on other servers... then they consolidated the servers which made me go over the slot count and I didn't want to delete any of them.

Or maybe waive the $25 cost to transfer a character (or 3 ;)) to another server to make room...

[Omega2K]

I remember a day where there were Warforged all over the place (back in Alpha)...

I remember a day where there were Drow all over the place...

Will there be a day with Monks all over the place? Yes, most assuredly... But who will heal these Monks? Perhaps they should give everyone one more Character Slot to make a Cleric or a Bard... And after they level that toon up to say level 8, a Monk slot will open up... Hrmmm...

On a serious note though, I have a lot of Characters (about half of them due to Server Merges) and I am rather attached to them... I am definitely not going to delete 10 or more Characters to open just one Monk Slot... They can forget that... If Turbine wants me to play a Monk (and give myself some new entertainment value for DDO) then they will need to give me another Character Slot... It's just that simple.

[Slapphappy]

Hey it is me again on my character slot soap box. I agree that if giving us an extra slot for monks is not a necessity for Turbine, then it is certainly a very good idea. It is a little thing, but if they don't do it, they will frustrate a LOT of people. Personally, I would like 5 more slots when mod 7 comes out. How about it dev's?

[Samadhi]

Hey it is me again on my character slot soap box. I agree that if giving us an extra slot for monks is not a necessity for Turbine, then it is certainly a very good idea. It is a little thing, but if they don't do it, they will frustrate a LOT of people. Personally, I would like 5 more slots when mod 7 comes out. How about it dev's?

agreed

[Jaywade]

I'm hoping for 2 just one I don't think would be enough (I my self have 9 lvl 16 and I'm deleteing) I would like to try a monk and a bard again ....can't really see a reason not to increase to at least 1...but 2 would be better :)

[Grimtooth333]

Hey it is me again on my character slot soap box. I agree that if giving us an extra slot for monks is not a necessity for Turbine, then it is certainly a very good idea. It is a little thing, but if they don't do it, they will frustrate a LOT of people. Personally, I would like 5 more slots when mod 7 comes out. How about it dev's?
Heck yeah... 5 would be nice. More would be better especially with all the different character builds you can make.

[United]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=147320

That will give you the answer you need. But it is NO. there will not be an additional character slot.

[Inspire]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=147320

That will give you the answer you need. But it is NO. there will not be an additional character slot.

Risia Is A Test Server, Things May Change When Mod7 Goes Live.

[Elaril]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=147320

That will give you the answer you need. But it is NO. there will not be an additional character slot.

I'm not 100% sure that information from Risia is a definitive source for a production server. I'm adopting a wait and see (or wait until I get officail word from a dev) attitude on this one.

[Elaril]

(rolleyes)
Risia Is A Test Server, Things May Change When Mod7 Goes Live.

*grumble* beat me to it.

[Kylstrem]

I don't understand why this is not a SLAM DUNK for Turbine to just announce already.

Turbine's strategy should be to make the people paying them $10-$15/month happy... to keep people paying, people need to have a reason to keep playing.

One thing that keeps people in the game is creating and playing alts... once they create an alt they will spend more time wanting to play that alt and keep paying that monthly fee.

I cannot imagine there is a substantial cost to Turbine for hard drive space to store 1-2 extra characters for every subscriber, but there is substantial cost to them for people getting bored and cancelling their accounts.

Now, maybe to avoid having the LFM screen filled with parties of 5 Level 1-Level 3 monks all looking for a cleric, they may tie the extra slots to some favor total.

That does two positive things:
1) Keeps people playing (carrot in front of them) before they can get the monk.
2) Avoids everyone creating a monk right away and having the LFM situation above.

But it also has a negative:
1) Anger people who just want something really new after over 2 years in the game (of course, those people probably would meet whatever favor requirement Turbine put in).

If I were Turbine, I would give everyone at least one new character slot, and perhaps 2.

[JacknCoke]

If the answer is No to the question of getting more character slots, I know a lot of folks who will leave

LMAO!!! I just spit coffee all over my desk. That's a good one...

[feynman]

Actually, I think they should let us have as many characters as we want, but only allow us to have 2 characters under level 3 at any time. This would keep everyone happy, but prevent people from intentionally filling up the server with level 1 toons (and they'd do it, too). If that becomes a problem, then start archiving characters who haven't been played in, say, a month.

I would also like to address the issues surrounding the monk:

Dear Turbine,

W_T_F?!?!?!?!

I mean, come on, monks?! When the clear weak point of the entire game is the reliance on a single healing class? Druids should have had priority over monks, and I personally would have gone for Favored Souls, mainly to give the clerics a break. Now, I'll grant you that monks are essential to the game, because, um, well, there were all those great books about a... no, he was a wizard... or that movie with... no, they were rogues...or in the TV show...whoops, no monks there...or that legendary monk, um, what's-his-name...or Khelgar in Neverwinter Nights 2, but no, wait, sorry, he sucked if you made him a monk...BRUCE LEE! Yea, that's the ticket! Monks are essential to D&D because Bruce Lee...oh yea, he's dead.

[HighJoe]

Regarding character slots. The folks playing the European servers have 12 slots (read the news announcement from August 27, 2007 here (http://ddo.tentonhammer.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1195)) for character creation. In the past, the reasoning was they had fewer servers to play on. Well, since the server merger, we here in the US/Australia have fewer servers to play on as well. I never really understood the logic of fewer servers/more slots, more servers/less slots.

If (I don't currently, and doubt I would in the future) I have characters on a different server, those characters have no bearing on the characters located on another server. I can't exchange items (unless I pay to have a character moved, but if I've maxed that servers slots, that can't happen either), I can't party with the same people (unless all those in my guild/friends list created characters on that other server as well), I can't acheive 1750 favor on one server and build 32 point characters on every server after that. I'm sure you see where I'm going.

Turbine, If you're going to give one customer base more character slots (or anything else for that matter), it is only prudent to do so across the board. You may think that we have all forgotten the disconnect between what's available in Europe and what's available here but, trust me, many of us have not. With the release of a new character class, bringing Europe and US/Australian account configurations in to a more uniform standard would be an obvious move, I would think.

I'm not going to tell you to do this. I'm not even going to ask, as I have seen over the past 2+ years of play and forum reading, that what your player base most loudly calls for, usually turns out to be the least heard by your management. I'm simply putting this information back out there so the masses that still hold out hope can once again refresh their fervor. You may call it trolling; I call it tired of the fight and passing the torch to the younger, less jaded amongst us.

Enjoy!

[Riggs]

There was a dev post last year sometime about the effect of "When we add new races and classes we will add new characters slots too".

I dont remember who, or exactly when, but I remember reading it very clearly because at the time there was only 5-7 slots and it was, and is, a big deal. Just because something was stated by someone working for Turbine at least a year ago doesnt make it gospel for what is happening now, but it is still a huge deal, and needs to be addressed in something less than another years timeframe from now.

After 2 years of no new classes, it is far too much to expect that a person will not have filled their slots with characters, ones that maybe they dont want to delete. Saying "Sorry you have to delete a character you have been playing for a year or more because we dont have the hard drive space to give everyone 1 extra slot for monks...." wow that would be a real PR achievment.

[GovtMule]

Regarding the extra slots created at the merge...

I thought slots 10+ were "volatile" slots. That is to say, you can have a playable character in that slot but as soon as you delete it, the slot disappears.

If this isn't the case, man, will I feel like a putz for not creating a whack of them :(

[Dracolich]

Regarding the extra slots created at the merge...

I thought slots 10+ were "volatile" slots. That is to say, you can have a playable character in that slot but as soon as you delete it, the slot disappears.

If this isn't the case, man, will I feel like a putz for not creating a whack of them :(

you are correct anything over 9 were only there because of character slots on the other servers being merged. Dont feel bad, because those people that were using the system to gain extra slots will have to delete them down to <9 to be able to create a new one.

[Kreaper]

That is the case Mr. Haynes. The extras will not be replaced until you have nine slots and delete one of them.

[Lizardgrad89]

I dont have an answer but will chime in on my thoughts.

I hope they add an additional character slot...to those that are not already above their current max.(IE those that did not take advantage of the server merge by making toons on all servers) Those people already have their extra ones. If they do not add an aditional slot I myself wont be too effected but I can see were others will be.

/signed


Those with 20 toons were clearly told they could have the extra but couldn't make any new ones without deleting. They made the choice to have 10 mules, they need to live with that decision now.

My advice to the 20 toon crowd: Buy a second account, create 9 new toons, move all your stuff over, delete these mules, create your Monk. Alternatively, have a big vendor sale, delete the mules, build your Monk.

Wouldn't be right for those of us who were farsighted enough to see that the toon overage could become a problem later on to now have to watch while others get a "oh, ok" pat on the head and another new slot and get to keep all those mules as well.

[Samadhi]

/signed


Those with 20 toons were clearly told they could have the extra but couldn't make any new ones without deleting. They made the choice to have 10 mules, they need to live with that decision now.

My advice to the 20 toon crowd: Buy a second account, create 9 new toons, move all your stuff over, delete these mules, create your Monk. Alternatively, have a big vendor sale, delete the mules, build your Monk.

Wouldn't be right for those of us who were farsighted enough to see that the toon overage could become a problem later on to now have to watch while others get a "oh, ok" pat on the head and another new slot and get to keep all those mules as well.

And for those of us that are over 9 without a single mule, but all capped characters? What would you recommend for us?

[Dracolich]

And for those of us that are over 9 without a single mule, but all capped characters? What would you recommend for us?

Buy a second account. Those of us who didnt abuse the character slots during merge are coping just fine with 9 characters.

[geoffhanna]

And for those of us that are over 9 without a single mule, but all capped characters? What would you recommend for us?

I hope you get a new slot for your Monk too. And I hope I do. And I hope we all do.

I don't care how many character you have. Have a hundred. Whatever. I only play my nine. Don't want to delete any of them. But I would like to play a Monk too.

[Rogosh]

I suspect very strongly that there will be a 10th slot added at Mod 7. No evidence, no hearsay. Just a feeling of overall karma and rightness.

[Yaga_Nub]

Risia Is A Preview Server, Things May Change When Mod7 Goes Live.

Fixed that for you.

[ccheath776]

And for those of us that are over 9 without a single mule, but all capped characters? What would you recommend for us?

Read above. If you have 20 chars, even if they are all capped, you will need to delete down to get a monk.

Mis-planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on theirs.

You were told long ago anyone who had over the 9 slot limit because of the server merge would be able to keep those characters. But they would not be able to create a new one until they deleted down.
Makes sense to me.

Plus there was another post, also long ago.
It said basically this.

You got a certain amount of slots 7 I think it was. One additional for drow, one for 1750.
There was a snafu/bug that allowed at one time people to make a 10th. This slot was reserved for when monks came out.
That bug was fixed and some DID in fact make a 10th character.
They were told at that point, you can utilize the 10th slot, we wont delete your character, but you will not get an additional slot when monks come out.

So for those who have 9 slots, you will get a 10th slot.
For those who abused the bug and utilized that 10th slot, you will not get an extra slot.
Those who have 20 + chars because of the server merge, you will also not get an extra slot, delete down until you can create a monk.

Unless this changes or I am corrected, that is how it was stated many months ago.
Requesting an extra slot because you dont want to delete your 20 capped players is not something I sympathize with and I dont know what to tell you on that. That is turbines call. Threaten, beg all you want, but in the end you have double the amount of characters everyone else have, why should you get special treatment? But thats just my opinion. Take it for what its worth.

[wolfy42]

If someone has double the # of characters why not just allow them to transfer half of them to another server?

[Dros_the_Juggernaut]

Personally I agree with the majority, with a new class, we should get at least one more slot. But if we can't do that, here are a couple more ideas....

How about we get an extra slot for each toon over 1750 favor, for me that would be a viable option.

I also would be open to the same system that I had on another MMO, that being you are allowed so many slots free, then pay 1$ for each past that allowed amount. The extra 1-2$ a month won't kill me, and would REALLY enhance my game experience.

I am sure I will get flamed for this...prolly from people who complain about the grind or about the cost. Just my opinion though.

[Lorichie]

Personally I agree with the majority, with a new class, we should get at least one more slot. But if we can't do that, here are a couple more ideas....

How about we get an extra slot for each toon over 1750 favor, for me that would be a viable option.

I also would be open to the same system that I had on another MMO, that being you are allowed so many slots free, then pay 1$ for each past that allowed amount. The extra 1-2$ a month won't kill me, and would REALLY enhance my game experience.

I am sure I will get flamed for this...prolly from people who complain about the grind or about the cost. Just my opinion though.


I would rather have this be done, then be told that because i didnt take advantege of merging servers, and i have to delete a capped toon, that everyone will get one for free, ie: min raised to eight plus favor which equals ten.
So ive already deleted my one like im supposed to, in anticipation of playing monks, i followed the rules, if we are all given one for free, now ive lost a toon that i didnt need to, just for following the rules, and those that did cram in a bunch of toons, have lost nothing.

Sorry, while there may be no easy answer, telling me to pound sand simply because i followed the rules by those that didnt isnt gonna sit well, and no i dont blame Turbine, they set the rule, i followed the rule. Whether i agree'd with it or not wasnt the issue. Period.

Rich

[Dark_Helmet]

Buy a second account. Those of us who didnt abuse the character slots during merge are coping just fine with 9 characters.

Nice ASSumption on your part, but not all of us "abused" the merge. I was on travel during the merge and never created characters just to be mules:

My problem was originally Turbine gave a limited amount of slots and said you have XXX servers to create characters so go make 5 characters on each server. Later on, the favor and mod 5 slots came along (but that is 2 per server).
Then, when they merged 3 servers, we got a measly 2 extra slots instead of triple the slots? At a minimum, they should double the max number (9) and give us 18.

So, there are those of us who were following the advice of Turbine (not abusing it) that are now getting screwed (along with those who were abusing the slot counts by making tons of mules).

[Dariuss]

I would rather have this be done, then be told that because i didnt take advantege of merging servers, and i have to delete a capped toon, that everyone will get one for free, ie: min raised to eight plus favor which equals ten.
So ive already deleted my one like im supposed to, in anticipation of playing monks, i followed the rules, if we are all given one for free, now ive lost a toon that i didnt need to, just for following the rules, and those that did cram in a bunch of toons, have lost nothing.

Sorry, while there may be no easy answer, telling me to pound sand simply because i followed the rules by those that didnt isnt gonna sit well, and no i dont blame Turbine, they set the rule, i followed the rule. Whether i agree'd with it or not wasnt the issue. Period.

Rich

So you deleted one BEFORE finding out if we get an extra slot?

[lissa_981]

Read above. If you have 20 chars, even if they are all capped, you will need to delete down to get a monk.

Mis-planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on theirs.

You were told long ago anyone who had over the 9 slot limit because of the server merge would be able to keep those characters. But they would not be able to create a new one until they deleted down.
Makes sense to me.

Plus there was another post, also long ago.
It said basically this.

You got a certain amount of slots 7 I think it was. One additional for drow, one for 1750.
There was a snafu/bug that allowed at one time people to make a 10th. This slot was reserved for when monks came out.
That bug was fixed and some DID in fact make a 10th character.
They were told at that point, you can utilize the 10th slot, we wont delete your character, but you will not get an additional slot when monks come out.

So for those who have 9 slots, you will get a 10th slot.
For those who abused the bug and utilized that 10th slot, you will not get an extra slot.
Those who have 20 + chars because of the server merge, you will also not get an extra slot, delete down until you can create a monk.

Unless this changes or I am corrected, that is how it was stated many months ago.
Requesting an extra slot because you dont want to delete your 20 capped players is not something I sympathize with and I dont know what to tell you on that. That is turbines call. Threaten, beg all you want, but in the end you have double the amount of characters everyone else have, why should you get special treatment? But thats just my opinion. Take it for what its worth.

Quoted for truth and now the thread can end.

Well said, cc.

[Brummbar]

If I do 'NOT' have 1750 on any server, is 8 the max number of toons?

I was one of those built a bunch of toons on other servers in advance of the merge...but never grinded to earn 1750.

SO without 1750, is 8 the max?

Thanks

[Lorichie]

So you deleted one BEFORE finding out if we get an extra slot?


I did, little while ago, but i did so with the understanding that we were told we had to be below the allowable threshold in order to make a monk. I dont remember the conversation, as another poster pointed out, that we would definitively get an additional slot (tenth with favor) when monks come out, though it doesnt mean that wasnt said.

Could (should) i have waited till the very last minute just in case? Probably, but i took Turbine at its word when they said that would be what needed to happen in order to play a Monk, or build any additional 32 pt build for that matter.

IMO going against what they said just opens the door for more threats and ultimatums in the future and we have enough of that going on already.

Rich

[Dracolich]

Nice ASSumption on your part, but not all of us "abused" the merge. I was on travel during the merge and never created characters just to be mules:

My problem was originally Turbine gave a limited amount of slots and said you have XXX servers to create characters so go make 5 characters on each server. Later on, the favor and mod 5 slots came along (but that is 2 per server).
Then, when they merged 3 servers, we got a measly 2 extra slots instead of triple the slots? At a minimum, they should double the max number (9) and give us 18.

So, there are those of us who were following the advice of Turbine (not abusing it) that are now getting screwed (along with those who were abusing the slot counts by making tons of mules).

Good use of ASSumption quite clever...grow up.

How is having all those character slots you currently have getting screwed? You chose to make those, advice or not. I dont recall anyone advising me to make 5 toons per server. Hey I am all for them giving us an extra slot. If you want an extra slot too above your 18 then great I want 10 more slots to even it out.

[Cyndder]

Let me start by saying that I was one of the eary people who got 2 toons to 1750 way back in mod 3 or 4...and had a 10th slot because of this issue (been playing for 2 years now). When the next mod was released they announced those who had 10 slots got to keep them...that was working up til April. Now I deleted (today) a lvl 16 toon to create another toon (deleted a Wizard to create a sorc) and now it will not allow me to access that 10th slot (this was working in January and April). In my case I was not taking advantage of the server merge, was using what was allocated to me...but now that has been taken away. IF they had announced they were taking it away I would not have deleted the toon to create the new one--because I am unwilling to delete more toons just to create another one.

I will wait and see what response I get from tech-support on this matter...and to see if they do the right thing with the upcoming mod and add character slots.

Now to the point another poster made about the server merge...I am inclinded to agree; if the european servers have been given 12 slots and they reduced the number of servers in the US (the number of servers being the justification for the fewer slots) then the slot count should be increased to be on par with our European breatheren.

[Riggs]

People are missing the point about slots.

Who gives a rats behind if someone has mules, made extra slots for the merge - it is irrelevant.

What is extremely relevant is that when the European servers merged...they went from 5 to 2 servers - so 60&#37; less, and got double character slots pretty much.

NA servers went from like 14 or 15 to 5, a larger reduction, but NA players only got 2 extra slots. Fair?

Some people only like playing 1 or two characters...so they will be fine with no new slots if they even bother to play a monk. Most people like playing and trying out new characters. I have a couple characters that are no longer 'mains', but are level 13ish, and I have put a lot of work into them, and dont really feel like deleting a level 13 character just because we are never getting new slots.

It was promised that we would get extra slots when new races/classes were added....and nothing has been said since even though mod 7 is apparently coming very soon....ish.

If you were to make 1 of every class with no duplicates...thats 9 slots right there. No room for monks unless you want to delete stuff.

So the message isnt 'how many mules did you make before the merge', it is 'is Turbine going to make it easy to enjoy playing the game? or hard to enjoy playing the game?'

I have spent over $700 on DDO since 5 slots was far too few, and I added a second account. I dont think it is too much to ask to have an extra slot or two so I can enjoy new classes without deleting characters.

[borgx]

Turbine, If you're going to give one customer base more character slots (or anything else for that matter), it is only prudent to do so across the board. You may think that we have all forgotten the disconnect between what's available in Europe and what's available here but, trust me, many of us have not. With the release of a new character class, bringing Europe and US/Australian account configurations in to a more uniform standard would be an obvious move, I would think.

Now to the point another poster made about the server merge...I am inclinded to agree; if the european servers have been given 12 slots and they reduced the number of servers in the US (the number of servers being the justification for the fewer slots) then the slot count should be increased to be on par with our European breatheren.

What is extremely relevant is that when the European servers merged...they went from 5 to 2 servers - so 60% less, and got double character slots pretty much.

NA servers went from like 14 or 15 to 5, a larger reduction, but NA players only got 2 extra slots. Fair?

You lot seem to be missing the whole point here. DDO US is run by Turbine and DDO EU is run by Codemasters. So DDO EU's character slots has nothing to do with our character slots. It has been stated before, by Turbine, that Codemasters sets their own rules and has nothing to do with Turbines rules.