best Docent for Barb?

[avatar28]

okay first off, I only see 3 docents worthy of mentioning for the top docent for a tank barb.

Docent of Defiance
+5 bonus
-improved cold,flame,lightning
- random chance a dr/20

Well, I have 2/3 of those resistances already from my cloak, and robe.. could easily pick up a ring to do the lightning.
how long does this random DR last?

I really don't see the hype on this docent.


Titanic Docent
+5 bonus
Dr/30 SR/30 for 15 seconds.

sounds cool, but 15 seconds? c'mon.. using this 1/rest would make me save for end mob fight, in which case it would be done before boss is killed.
seems useless do to the fact of crappy duration of the clickie.


Docent of quickening
+4 bonus
10% attack speed
10% ranged speed
25% striding

wow, like being hasted constantly almost.
stacks with haste pots,
nice to be able to attack and run faster..

my vote is this one for top spot.



i'd like to hear what other people think is best, and why

[Mhykke]

okay first off, I only see 3 docents worthy of mentioning for the top docent for a tank barb.

Docent of Defiance
+5 bonus
-improved cold,flame,lightning
- random chance a dr/20

Well, I have 2/3 of those resistances already from my cloak, and robe.. could easily pick up a ring to do the lightning.
how long does this random DR last?

I really don't see the hype on this docent.


Titanic Docent
+5 bonus
Dr/30 SR/30 for 15 seconds.

sounds cool, but 15 seconds? c'mon.. using this 1/rest would make me save for end mob fight, in which case it would be done before boss is killed.
seems useless do to the fact of crappy duration of the clickie.


Docent of quickening
+4 bonus
10% attack speed
10% ranged speed
25% striding

wow, like being hasted constantly almost.
stacks with haste pots,
nice to be able to attack and run faster..

my vote is this one for top spot.



i'd like to hear what other people think is best, and why

I use a bunch of different docents, but if I had to go with 1, it'd be the docent of defiance.
The docent of quickening doesn't stack with haste. All those alacrity bonuses from items don't stack with haste.

The docent of defiance isn't used for the resists. It's for the DR. On a boss, the DR hits very often, and -20 damage every hit is huge.

[twix]

no competition defiance for sure

[avatar28]

The docent of defiance isn't used for the resists. It's for the DR. On a boss, the DR hits very often, and -20 damage every hit is huge.

okay, my bad DOQ doesn't stack with haste.. even still, 10% bonus to attack speed, coupled with the striding...

and according to ddo wiki there is only a 1% chance per hit of activating the dr/20 on the defiance.
so I fail to see how this could equate into "often"

[Mhykke]

okay, my bad DOQ doesn't stack with haste.. even still, 10% bonus to attack speed, coupled with the striding...

and according to ddo wiki there is only a 1% chance per hit of activating the dr/20 on the defiance.
so I fail to see how this could equate into "often"

You might have misunderstood. The attack speed, nor the striding, stack w/ haste on the docent of quickening. If you're hasted from the spell, you get nothing from that docent.

Also, if the wiki says the on hit DR from defiance is only 1% chance, then it is incorrect. It's much higher.

[Angelus_dead]

okay first off, I only see 3 docents worthy of mentioning for the top docent for a tank barb.
Docent of Defiance's energy resists are good because you can wear other cloaks and rings instead.

Titanic Docent is useless for a barb. If you could trigger it while raging, it would have value once per rest. But you can't even turn it on.

Docent of Quickening is useless for anyone who is Hasted, which should be almost everyone.

The other docent to consider is +5 Fearsome.

[avatar28]

Titantic docent say it does 30 DR and 30 SR 1/rest recharged per day 1 for 15 seconds. That indicates to me that it is activated the same way any other clicky does.

I understand that the DOQ does not stack with haste, but one is not always hasted.. that would indicate that everyone always has haste potions, or a caster in the party.

I don't know how often the DOD triggers DR 20, but it said 1% per hit chance.. so maybe after getting beat on by a mob for 2 mins, it accumualates to 50-60% then triggers. I don't know much about the docent. Is there an effect that shows up top in the buffs that shows that it is active? does it have a timer? how long is it active?


+5 fearsome docent... Is it good to chase mobs who are afraid of you all over the dungeon? How will that help a DPS barb who likes to intimidate mobs, or wail on a tight group of monsters with great gleave and GTHF?

[avatar28]

Titantic docent says it does 30 DR and 30 SR 1/rest recharged per day 1 for 15 seconds. That indicates to me that it is activated the same way any other clicky does.

I understand that the DOQ does not stack with haste, but one is not always hasted.. that would indicate that everyone always has haste potions, or a caster in the party.

I don't know how often the DOD triggers DR 20, but it said 1% per hit chance.. so maybe after getting beat on by a mob for 2 mins, it accumualates to 50-60% then triggers. I don't know much about the docent. Is there an effect that shows up top in the buffs that shows that it is active? does it have a timer? how long is it active?


+5 fearsome docent... Is it good to chase mobs who are afraid of you all over the dungeon? How will that help a DPS barb who likes to intimidate mobs, or wail on a tight group of monsters with great gleave and GTHF?

[Cendaer]

+5 fearsome docent... Is it good to chase mobs who are afraid of you all over the dungeon? How will that help a DPS barb who likes to intimidate mobs, or wail on a tight group of monsters with great gleave and GTHF?

You don't *have* to chase them. Fear doesn't last forever, slaying everything isn't always required, and the ones that don't come back to you again can usually be found hiding around the next corner or two. Keep up the DPS and intimidate for the ones who don't get feared.

If you like tight groups of monsters, then don't even consider the fearsome docent, you probably wouldn't like it; but don't worry, there's other choices.

That's one of the nice things about DDO: Just because someone says something is good, doesn't necessarily make it good for every single build or playstyle. If someone suggests you try something else, go ahead and try it, but if it doesn't feel right to you, or for how you play, then don't worry about it. Chances are you'll find something else that *will* work better for you than what was suggested to you.

[BlackSteel]

proc rate is easily between 5-10% its often enough that it'll be up during most decent size fights, and will always be up during a boss fight. The only time the docent can be a real pain is if you're trying to pull something and it goes off, or if you're just running thru explorer or to an objective in a quest and a random arrow sets it off.

[Mhykke]

Titantic docent says it does 30 DR and 30 SR 1/rest recharged per day 1 for 15 seconds. That indicates to me that it is activated the same way any other clicky does.

I understand that the DOQ does not stack with haste, but one is not always hasted.. that would indicate that everyone always has haste potions, or a caster in the party.

I don't know how often the DOD triggers DR 20, but it said 1% per hit chance.. so maybe after getting beat on by a mob for 2 mins, it accumualates to 50-60% then triggers. I don't know much about the docent. Is there an effect that shows up top in the buffs that shows that it is active? does it have a timer? how long is it active?


+5 fearsome docent... Is it good to chase mobs who are afraid of you all over the dungeon? How will that help a DPS barb who likes to intimidate mobs, or wail on a tight group of monsters with great gleave and GTHF?

Forget the titanic docent for a barb. It doesn't last long enough to click, and then click madstone boots, and then rage. It's not even worth it if you don't have madstone boots and click rage right after it. Don't worry about the titanic docent.

If you run with casters that don't haste you, then you should carry a lot of haste pots. They're relatively cheap, and the benefit is huge. You should always try to be hasted when fighting, either through a spell or a pot, so the doq isn't worth it.

I'll have to check the defiance proc rate again in pvp, but just from using it I can tell you that it goes off much more than 1%. It's much closer to 10% than 1%.

[twix]

I would actually compare the dr from docent of defiance to go off just about as much as the madstone boots.Docent of defiance is really sweet from what i can tell put on both my wf mellees.my wf caster wears fearsome the defiance docent just didnt make sense for him .

[Shima-ra]

Defiance mode may not be handy when mobs run away from you, but at least its hilarious.
The docent of defiance is very good, I'm surely goona wear it for a long while.

Its how the titanic docent should be, and that one is stupid; takes a good 5 seconds to activate that clicky. You barely have time to walk to the mobs before it runs out.

But aside from that, the white dragon scale docent is also very good, its packed with good stuff.

Highest AC docent is the emerauld claw docent, its +6, with extra goodies, but its unreachable.

[Ghoste]

Don't know where it says that docent of defiance only activates on 1% of hits...

I have tested it in PvP though and documented how often it activated. 5% is exactly what my own tests show.

I can't give a lot of advice about using it on a barb, but I know it's awesome for casters. Nothing like standing in the middle of your own blazing firewall with a tower shield up (Defiance is passive DR and thus stacks with the active DR from shield blocking) while monsters make feeble attempts to hurt you (with 100% fortification most can't).

[amysrevenge]

I'm pretty happy with my plain-Jane +1 fearsome docent of moderate fortification...

[Humperdink]

Another one I like to use that is often overlooked is the Docent of Blood as part of a strategy to make you easier to heal. Shade talks about it here, he just accidentally called it the Docent of Flesh:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=1684315&postcount=24

It's essentially +10% healing. So add it to one tier of Healer's Friend and you're only at a -25% healing penalty (instead of -50%) compared to fleshies. Something your local healer will appreciate, especially if they're casting from heal scrolls. :-)

[creithne]

Doesn't defiance slow you down? I had one, and every time the DR triggered, it seemed like I had been hit with a "slow" spell...is this normal or do I need to investigate further?

[Aspenor]

Docent of Defiance for a barb, IMHO. Fearsome docents of Moderate fort are nice for caster type WF.

[Aeneas]

If you're shooting for mega AC, max dex, any +5 docent you like, +8 rr WF armor bracers, no body feats ftw. Mod fort from a reaver head is ideal.

If i had to choose from your list - defiance for sure.

[Angelus_dead]

Doesn't defiance slow you down? I had one, and every time the DR triggered, it seemed like I had been hit with a "slow" spell...is this normal or do I need to investigate further?
That's normal. You use Tumble to keep moving... you should've had a few points of Tumble anyway.

[creithne]

That's normal. You use Tumble to keep moving... you should've had a few points of Tumble anyway.

Thanks, good to know. :)

[MrCow]

[the titanic docent] takes a good 5 seconds to activate

Its actually as fast as a sorcerer casting mage armor (0.5 seconds). The longest part is the time to switch to the titanic docent.

While the titanic docent often doesn't have too much of a use every once in a while there are spots that make it invaluable (opening a door, opening a chest, resting at a shrine, disarming a trap, running through Otto's Sphere of Dancing/Symbol of Stunning/etc.).

As for the original question, the Docent of Defiance is the winner.

[Jefro]

Docent of Featly - Armor Bonus +6, Spell Resistance (22)
Docent of the Claw - +5 Docent, Nightshield 3/day, Reinforced Plating +1(inherent ac bonus), To-hit bonus +1


Maybe in next Mod, you have a easier chance getting these.

[sirgog]

My top picks are Definance and Docent of the Claw, HM to White Dragonscale Docent.

[amysrevenge]

I should mention that I do like to pop the Docent of Blood on when I'm fighting red/purple names. They are immune to Fearsome, and can generally hit my AC whether I have the extra +4 or not, and it helps to let the clerics mass-cure the group and get me the extra healing.

[TommyBoy]

my barb is only at 7, but i really like having a gaurd doent. its nice damaging when ever your hit even if its not a lot.

[Citymorg]

I have all three of these docents (two Titanic). I use the docent of quickening all the time. I solo, I group in many groups, some don't have hasters, and it's a lot easier than pots. I like static effects that, if something runs out (30pt resist, haste, FoM, True Sight, whatever) I am not left in trouble. So, I think the +10% attack speed is better than the temp DR. I have 7 DR/- as a Barb already, and can use the Titanic Docent to go to 30, situationally. In addition, I know and can guarantee when that goes off. I find the slow that comes with the DR making it nearly useless to fight with. Basically, it makes you a turtle, not a DPS machine. I use it mostly when I need the resists and don't have or can't get a someone to give them to me. (I usually have at least the House P buffs, so that is almost never)

That said, the Docent of Defiance is definitely cool, if you do not have any of the others.

[Ghoste]

I agree with what Citymorg said. I prefer docent of quickening on fighting classes. Defiance is great for casters though. So what if it slows you down, you can still tumble. And it's not very easy to run away from a finger of death.

[kr8ztwin]

Quickening Docent is by far my fav docent for barb...or any 2H or 2WF WF build. I'm a huge fan. Should see what a dual vorpal STR Ranger can do with tempest and quickening docent. Oh good lord its fun to watch :P

[Angelus_dead]

Quickening Docent is by far my fav docent for barb...or any 2H or 2WF WF build. I'm a huge fan. Should see what a dual vorpal STR Ranger can do with tempest and quickening docent.
What can he do?

It's not as if he attacks faster or anything...

[Kris_P._Letus]

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I don't know how often the DOD triggers DR 20, but it said 1% per hit chance.. so maybe after getting beat on by a mob for 2 mins, it accumualates to 50-60% then triggers. I don't know much about the docent. Is there an effect that shows up top in the buffs that shows that it is active? does it have a timer? how long is it active?
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yes. i just got one tonight on the ah it has only popped once so far (killed the buggers to fast for them to hit me back), but there is an icon in the corner. it looks KINDA like a angry rage icon....i saw it and thought i was somehow greatest greater rage, or something. then i went to move, didnt move ( :P ), and actually checked out the icon in the buff section. cant remember what it is that it says, but it does show up.

[Ghoste]

Where does it say 1% of the time? That is completely false.

I have repeatedly tested it in PvP, going over my combat log to count exactly how many hits it took to activate it. 5% bare minimum, although the % could be slightly higher.

And yes, there is an effect that shows up on your buff bar. It is the same symbol as rage. And the animation on your character also looks like rage (the little red flecks rising off the wf's body). So if you have a warforged in your party who suddenly appears to be under the effects of rage, and is moving really slowly, clerics please don't cast heal and greater restoration on him over and over until he begins moving at normal speed again.

[Arianrhod]

What can he do?

It's not as if he attacks faster or anything...

Well, if it's one of those barbs who just can't wait for haste, combined with one of those sorcs who refuses to cast it again on anyone who missed it the first time... ;)

[Oxvon]

For bosses where not to much movement is needed - Docent of Defiance
For anything else - A docent that makes you look more B.A.

[Halpo]

Docent of defiance by a long shot I love hoping around like a frog when it procs and it procs alot for me as I have an 18 AC after I am all done raging.

[Weedo]

Docent of Featly - Armor Bonus +6, Spell Resistance (22)
Docent of the Claw - +5 Docent, Nightshield 3/day, Reinforced Plating +1(inherent ac bonus), To-hit bonus +1
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hellooOO, its these two homies

[Forceonature]

Unless you have a high AC Barb build, then any Fearsome docent works well. I wonder if a Fearsome docent of Mod fort is floating around yet. That would be good for a barb.

I've got a +5 (possibly lesser) Fire Guard Docent of Command for my Intimidate/UMD tank. It fits that build well.

Is the new alchemal crafting bonus going to work on Docents (assuming so)? That's an additional +1 AC to a docent in your inventory.

[Kris_P._Letus]

Unless you have a high AC Barb build, then any Fearsome docent works well. I wonder if a Fearsome docent of Mod fort is floating around yet. That would be good for a barb.

I've got a +5 (possibly lesser) Fire Guard Docent of Command for my Intimidate/UMD tank. It fits that build well.

Is the new alchemal crafting bonus going to work on Docents (assuming so)? That's an additional +1 AC to a docent in your inventory.

eh, thats all personal preference. i ran around with a fearsome docent for awhile. got tired of chasing mobs down. in a closed in room (i.e. pop) its ok cuz there not going to go that far. but im lazy. i dont like to run. and my guy dont even know what ranged attacks are.

[Whulffer]

I have all listed docents minus the claw, and I had the option of it. On my barb defiance is what i choose to use. The defiance procks pretty often imo. I just wish ppl would cast tumble on me more often, with my gird, i think then I can tumble flip. Since no one does, I do the frog walk ;-).

Defiance for the win!

[Kris_P._Letus]

I have all listed docents minus the claw, and I had the option of it. On my barb defiance is what i choose to use. The defiance procks pretty often imo. I just wish ppl would cast tumble on me more often, with my gird, i think then I can tumble flip. Since no one does, I do the frog walk ;-).

Defiance for the win!

lol. i like that. "the frog walk". gave me a chuckle.

i have a 2 of the 3 that the op listed, dont have to docent of blood. +10 percent from heals. eh. i also was givin dusk by a party member (thanks, zayhat :) ) out of the necro. so, between the 3 (doq, defiance and dusk) i rotate it out. doq when im not hasted, defiance when im in a boss fight or in the middle of a bunch of mobs (stupid trogs couldnt hit me for more then 3 in my coal chamber run. that was nice) and dusk when i feel like somethin different. 10% miss chance is a neat idea, but not sure how often it happens.

all in all.....i love the toys that us warforged get.

except the frog walk. :)