There is no lag in DDO.

[parvo]

:)

There is no lag in DDO. You're experiencing psuedo-laglike-quasi-symptoms. It's your fault.

--It's your machine
--it's your connection
--It's your imagination

In fact, a few players have already reported not experiencing any real lag. That pretty much covers it. Now, go back to playing and be happy there is no lag.

[Electric_Pulses]

so you're telling me when I have broadband internet, a good graphics card, and 3.4ghz processing power the lag is my fault or imagination? Its turbine having server problems or just having a flat out bad server

[BLAKROC]

there is no lag

all laginess is not real, just imagined

the emergency lag chanel will keep you informed, in the event of real lag, which has not up to this point happened

Have a good day :D

[death_smurf]

when 6 people lag out at the same time there can be no question its their machines and not server lag. same for entire raid groups. clearly almost all players use commodore 64s rather than suitable computers. ty for the clarification that the lag is player based not turbines fault in anyway.

p.s. i have this bridge thats for sale if ur interested.

[Blazer]

/Electric_Pulses rolls d20 vs sarcastic post detection

/Electric_Pulses rolls a 1. Failure!

EDIT: I was going to post again for the rest who don't detect sarcasm very well, but I realized that I'd be here all night posting in this thread. Carry on. :D

[Vormaerin]

Given that Tolero has already said they are investigating this and eagerly welcoming bug reports and other information that'll help, I reckon your snarkiness is unwarranted. Nobody from Turbine has said any such thing.

Its obviously not just "the server isn't running well" because then it would be affecting everyone, I'd think. Wednesday night I played after the hotfix with no issues. Thursday I had bad problems but two others in my party didn't have any. Mine calmed down after I rebooted, but it was still worse than usual. Last night, one of the guys who'd not been having issues the night before was having problems, but I wasn't.

Have any actual insight to share that might help them find the cause?

[Nevthial]

/Adjusts tinfoil hat



It is a form of mass hypnosis. If you have logged in and played since the update, it is too late, you are infected. The implanted suggestion will take hold when you log in after Monday's "Patch".


:)

[Nevthial]

ooops double post...or they are on to me !



/turns on security system and electrifies fence

[Xaxx]

there is no lag...... only ZUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLL

now if we could just find the key master it might solve all the lag

2 points to anyone who gets the reference, your either a child of the 80s or also a nerd.... well done

[Nevthial]

I AM the Keymaster! ( Just have to wipe this ectoplasmic goo out of my eyes to find it ) :)





I am a child of the 70's/80's and a Renaissance Man to boot.

[Dungnmaster001]

there is no lag...... only ZUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLL

now if we could just find the key master it might solve all the lag

2 points to anyone who gets the reference, your either a child of the 80s or also a nerd.... well done

Ghostbusters.... I believe I qualify as both a child of the 80's and a nerd ... do I get double points?

[jmonty]

before this last mod i almost never lagged. srsly.

[Cadaia]

there is no lag...... only ZUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLL

now if we could just find the key master it might solve all the lag

2 points to anyone who gets the reference, your either a child of the 80s or also a nerd.... well done


Easy reference. A tougher one would've been to quote my favorite line from that movie which is, You can't park that here. Don't remember it? Now you're gonna have to watch it again, aren't ya? :D

[Strykersz]

there is no lag...... only ZUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLL

now if we could just find the key master it might solve all the lag

2 points to anyone who gets the reference, your either a child of the 80s or also a nerd.... well done

Ghostbusters isn't exactly restricted to a cult following. It'd be like suggesting you need to be a total sci-fi nerd to get "*I* am your father."

"I'd help with the lag but...
I know, there's a problem with your face."

[Xaxx]

yes yes i know its not a *cult following* movie, and its easier to get then some others, but i still love that line, and having used it a few times ingame voice chat youd be surprised how many of our fellow ddoers dont either catch it or go *man what are you blathering about now*.

[Durten]

I have experienced lag from time to time in the past. However, this incredibly nasty stuff that is happening now didnt start until the latest hotfix for me at least.

[BLAKROC]

there is no lag...... only ZUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLL

now if we could just find the key master it might solve all the lag

2 points to anyone who gets the reference, your either a child of the 80s or also a nerd.... well done



Who ya gonna call......LAGBUSTERS ?

[weyoun]

Given that Tolero has already said they are investigating this and eagerly welcoming bug reports and other information that'll help, I reckon your snarkiness is unwarranted. Nobody from Turbine has said any such thing.

Its obviously not just "the server isn't running well" because then it would be affecting everyone, I'd think. Wednesday night I played after the hotfix with no issues. Thursday I had bad problems but two others in my party didn't have any. Mine calmed down after I rebooted, but it was still worse than usual. Last night, one of the guys who'd not been having issues the night before was having problems, but I wasn't.

Have any actual insight to share that might help them find the cause?

Yeah you're obviously on top of things there . . . since the bug report tool is not functioning. Go troll somewhere else. Lag wiped 3 of my parties last night. I stopped playing because of it. I'll be back on in a few minutes here. The real problem is noone from turbine says anything about the lag. They tell us about the hotfix and the server maintenance that happened days ago but nothing about what they are doing about a condition that is making the game unplayable.

[Arkat]

There is no spoon either.

[petegunn]

Screen shot or the lag never happened !

[Aeneas]

game is very nearly unplayable in almost every quest....seriously. I am kind of getting fed up.

[The10man]

Tolero said he didn't notice it and to please submit a bug report then the next day the bug reporter died funny huh? Just accept that they really screwed up ain't gonna admit it and aren't gonna do anything about it in *GASP* the weekend. Look for mondays patch to be a long downtime. And it might work halfway by tuesday. I won't hold my breath though.

[Shade]

There's lag but its possibly not turbine.

Lag can be anywhere between ur keyboard and there server.. Tons of other servers that could be lagging along the way.

I played a bit last night, and I usually never lag at all but i saw a tiny bit. Other players were complaining about much more then i saw tho.

[moorewr]

Tolero said he didn't notice it and to please submit a bug report then the next day the bug reporter died funny huh? Just accept that they really screwed up ain't gonna admit it and aren't gonna do anything about it in *GASP* the weekend. Look for mondays patch to be a long downtime. And it might work halfway by tuesday. I won't hold my breath though.

tolero=she, not he

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Tolero said he didn't notice it and to please submit a bug report then the next day the bug reporter died funny huh? Just accept that they really screwed up ain't gonna admit it and aren't gonna do anything about it in *GASP* the weekend. Look for mondays patch to be a long downtime. And it might work halfway by tuesday. I won't hold my breath though.

I'm guessing that since this is intermittant, it may take them a while to trace.... don't count on a fix monday (*hopes to be plesantly surprised but works in IT so expects a delay...*)

[ENGRAV0]

tolero=she, not he

You forgot Pregnant, so, don't **** her off, please. (This goes for everyone, you might find plenty of Ham Juice (For fleshy) and Hams (for the Metalic), Haha, meant to be funny.

[Kerrn_Siff]

I'm guessing that since this is intermittant, it may take them a while to trace.... don't count on a fix monday (*hopes to be plesantly surprised but works in IT so expects a delay...*)

Agreed, even though it is widespread on every server (I believe) it is not consistent even within the same group in the same quest. So it should be a fun one to track down.

Maybe they just need to feed their hamsters a higher protein diet?

[moorewr]

You forgot Pregnant, so, don't **** her off, please. (This goes for everyone, you might find plenty of Ham Juice (For fleshy) and Hams (for the Metalic), Haha, meant to be funny.

keeper=pregnent, tolero!=pregnant

[DoctorWhofan]

AND...




Soylent Green is Good.

[moorewr]

AND...




Soylent Green is People Food.

Fixed it for you. :)

[Dariuss]

It's people, it's peeeeeeeeeeeeople!

anyways, i actually haven't had much lag, a bit though. generally i have no lag, the last few days i've had a few spikes... but not even close to making the game 'unplayable'

[moorewr]

It's people, it's peeeeeeeeeeeeople!

anyways, i actually haven't had much lag, a bit though. generally i have no lag, the last few days i've had a few spikes... but not even close to making the game 'unplayable'

Which server are you on? I have a theory that Khyber and Thelanis are shelaqued, and Argo and Sarlona are OK.

[Strykersz]

There's lag but its possibly not turbine.

Lag can be anywhere between ur keyboard and there server.. Tons of other servers that could be lagging along the way.

I played a bit last night, and I usually never lag at all but i saw a tiny bit. Other players were complaining about much more then i saw tho.

It's relatively unlikely to be not on Turbine's end(or at least their ISP) given that it effects entire parties and can be triggered by having a large(15-20) group of monsters aggro'd.

[Aeneas]

agreed strykyerz, this is definitely either server issue or a newly introduced bit of code that's gumming up the works - not our connection or computers.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

agreed strykyerz, this is definitely either server issue or a newly introduced bit of code that's gumming up the works - not our connection or computers.

Well...there is one other possibility, and it will be the toughest to track... It could be the lastest fix added something to the client side processing and that some machines that exceed the minimum standards for the game but don't rely on common driver X or that do use common driver X are having trouble processing situation Y. It could happen to everyone at once if there are a lot of people in that situation (ie - problem is caused by DivX driver, 5 of 6 people have that, trigger happens when 20 mobs enter within X feet... if the group is standing next to each other, client side processing lag will happen at the same time).

I think its the least likely senerio, but I've seen patches cause client side problems and buger up an app before...And the fact that some people have minor annoyances and others have "game destroying" lag makes me wonder if client side could somehow be involved...

[stockwizard5]

No ...

1. We have many guildies with top end computer setups.
2. The "spikes" on occasion appear and disappear in relatively steady state settings (that is group waiting to enter part 2 while someone crafts we start lagging badly).
3. It is persistent - but appears at different times - we have done multiple shroud runs with different party makups - the only reason we get through is limiting and predicting everything (that is no reactive behavior is effective). We are getting it every run.

Server: Thelanis
Time: Evenings

A note - as a test we actually cast a boatload of AoEs waiting to enter and could not "create" lag. We did however have it consistently in the presence of any mobs.

[Vormaerin]

Yeah you're obviously on top of things there . . . since the bug report tool is not functioning. Go troll somewhere else. Lag wiped 3 of my parties last night. I stopped playing because of it. I'll be back on in a few minutes here. The real problem is noone from turbine says anything about the lag. They tell us about the hotfix and the server maintenance that happened days ago but nothing about what they are doing about a condition that is making the game unplayable.

You might use the Dev tracker. Tolero responded twice in a thread that. gasp.. is titled "The Lag is making DDO unplayable" (or something close to that). And she was talking about the lag, surprisingly enough. I have no idea if them disabling the reporting tools is related to the lag or night. I do know its not a straightforward issue, because its intermittant and inconsistent. I ran Cursed Crypt twice last night with no sign of problems in our group (and we have machines and home locations of widely varying nature). As I mentioned, previous sessions some of us were having issues and some weren't... and it was different people in different sessions.

What do you expect them to say that Tolero didn't say? Obviously, they haven't determined the cause or they'd say so. They clearly have not said 'there is no problem, stop bothering us' as the OP implied.

[geoffhanna]

There is no lag ...

... there is only slack.

This was settled years ago. Why are you still debating?

[ArkoHighStar]

the solution to lag is permadeath:D

[moorewr]

"The answer to infection is here!"

[Serpent]

These are not the lag you are looking for.

[toughman]

Solar Flares are the cause, try switching your magnetic poles.

[crschoen]

:)

There is no lag in DDO. You're experiencing psuedo-laglike-quasi-symptoms. It's your fault.

--It's your machine
--it's your connection
--It's your imagination

In fact, a few players have already reported not experiencing any real lag. That pretty much covers it. Now, go back to playing and be happy there is no lag.

Whatever they did in the 4/23/08 updates just really increased the lag issue. My theory is that it's caused by area-effect spells like dancing ball. Hopefully another hot fix will at least put it back to the way it was before.

[Darth_Sizzle]

The lag issue is real.

That is all.

[Electric_Pulses]

/Electric_Pulses rolls d20 vs sarcastic post detection

/Electric_Pulses rolls a 1. Failure!

EDIT: I was going to post again for the rest who don't detect sarcasm very well, but I realized that I'd be here all night posting in this thread. Carry on. :D

lol! next time i post i will make sure to turn off ******** mode

[Qzipoun]

Screen shot or the lag never happened !


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii29/Qzipoun/lag-1.jpg

[transtemporal]

Lol parvo!

Move along, no lag to see here. :D

[Amaras]

*Waves a hand and does Jedi Mind trick*

"These are not the Packets you are looking for"

[parvo]

Bah....you will only believe me if I say there is lag. Then the naysayers would come out and say there isn't. I'm not falling for it this time! There is no lag in DDO!

Wait. I'll prove it...whistles innocently...

[parvo]

All the reasons there is no lag in DDO...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=133394

[stockwizard5]

Did some experimenting in the Shroud Part 1 ...

First off the lag is (has been) horrible since the hotfix and tonight was no exception - even getting to the experiment we had "bad" lag in Meridia and one party member could not get through Vale (why anyone binds anywhere else is a different discussion).

1. So zone into part 1 (fighting through "bad" recent lag) and wait. We had one horrible spike after about 7 minutes that started to clear in about 2 minutes and returned to "bad" lag in an additional two minutes. No mobs agrroed and nothing happening.

2. This is where it gets interesting - rezone into Part 1 and throw every AoE, Buff, Summon, etc we can think of and surprise - no noticable increase beyond the "bad" lag. That is AoEs didn't generate any additional lag for us (of course those poor saps in another group on part 4 probably got wiped - but anyway).

3. Use a single puller to grab mobs from both sides - interesting again - the lag did not get appreciably worse - BUT - as soon as mobs pulled to within party range - game over and everyone froze (same happened on two runs) - implies that one (but not only) problem may be more associated with Mobs aggro mechanic (which in theory was changed this patch) and triggers during their decision making process.

Now this is clearly not the only issue as example 1 had no aggro but if it server wide - well maybe this helps some.

[parvo]

Did some experimenting in the Shroud Part 1 ...

First off the lag is (has been) horrible since the hotfix and tonight was no exception - even getting to the experiment we had "bad" lag in Meridia and one party member could not get through Vale (why anyone binds anywhere else is a different discussion).

1. So zone into part 1 (fighting through "bad" recent lag) and wait. We had one horrible spike after about 7 minutes that started to clear in about 2 minutes and returned to "bad" lag in an additional two minutes. No mobs agrroed and nothing happening.

2. This is where it gets interesting - rezone into Part 1 and throw every AoE, Buff, Summon, etc we can think of and surprise - no noticable increase beyond the "bad" lag. That is AoEs didn't generate any additional lag for us (of course those poor saps in another group on part 4 probably got wiped - but anyway).

3. Use a single puller to grab mobs from both sides - interesting again - the lag did not get appreciably worse - BUT - as soon as mobs pulled to within party range - game over and everyone froze (same happened on two runs) - implies that one (but not only) problem may be more associated with Mobs aggro mechanic (which in theory was changed this patch) and triggers during their decision making process.

Now this is clearly not the only issue as example 1 had no aggro but if it server wide - well maybe this helps some.

Bah...you only lagged because you believed it was possible. In fact, you were begging for it. You may as well be sacrificing sheep to the lag god...

[Kerrn_Siff]

Bah...you only lagged because you believed it was possible. In fact, you were begging for it. You may as well be sacrificing sheep to the lag god...

oooh my bad. I thought we were supposed to be doing that.

[parvo]

oooh my bad. I thought we were supposed to be doing that.

Well, that shows what you know... Don't you get it? Lag can only affect you if you believe it can!

[Kerrn_Siff]

Well, that shows what you know... Don't you get it? Lag can only affect you if you believe it can!

k.. Next round of cool-aid is on me! :)

[Tolero]

Trying to get all our threads in one spot, this way to the central thread (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=145094)....