Monks: early May or late May?

[Shaamis]

we know (sorta) that mod 7 will be out in May, but will it be May 7th, or May 28th?

I am guessing that it will come out on May 14th, just call it a hunch.....

anyone else have a good guess?

[ArkoHighStar]

end of May. They haven't even hit Risia yet

[Jincay]

I would predict before May 17th....

[chester99]

If I ran turbine... I would do many things differently. That said, I would do everything in my power to get monks out before my new competition hits the market on May 20th.

but maybe I'm just a super marketing genius with an eye towards not letting ddo fail.

sigh.

[Ciaran]

Off the top of my head, Mod/Update releases I think have almost always, if not always been late in the month, so I'm going with late May, in which case I may not ever see Monks as I fully intend on being absorbed in AoC and I'm only keeping my DDO account active for the free month that comes with the AoC.

That is, unless my PC can't run AoC, heh.

[Milolyen]

end of May. They haven't even hit Risia yet

I would not look for it to be on risia more than 2 weeks before it goes live. Risia is not a test server but more of a preview server. Unless something big is found I would look for it to be on risia 2 weekends before it goes live. (so about a week and a half before)

Milolyen

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Early May...2009

[JacknCoke]

Soon

[ChildrenofBodom]

Risia is not a test server but more of a preview server.

I disagree.

[Milolyen]

I disagree.

umm

Test server = where a company TESTS the product BEFORE the customers get to see it.
Preview server = where a company lets the customers come in and get a LOOK at the product BEFORE it is finished and released for general use.

Sooooo What makes you think that Risia = test server?

Milolyen

*Edit* DDO does have a test server ... that is where the people that reviewed mod 6 and 7 played to get a before hands look at it and it isn't Risia.

[Dariun]

If I ran turbine... I would do many things differently. That said, I would do everything in my power to get monks out before my new competition hits the market on May 20th.

but maybe I'm just a super marketing genius with an eye towards not letting ddo fail.

sigh.

lol

Seriously, if you let marketing control launch dates, you'll be in for a rough ride :eek:.

[Alavatar]

umm

Test server = where a company TESTS the product BEFORE the customers get to see it.
Preview server = where a company lets the customers come in and get a LOOK at the product BEFORE it is finished and released for general use.

Sooooo What makes you think that Risia = test server?

Milolyen

*Edit* DDO does have a test server ... that is where the people that reviewed mod 6 and 7 played to get a before hands look at it and it isn't Risia.

Risia is a mass stress test server that isn't really utilized. Mournlands is the QA server, granted, but Risia is where the ingenious player-base gets to break the game. Again and again. That at least gives the Devs a head start on a fix for when the module is actually released, allowing the Dev team to put a quickfix out sooner rather then later.

And that test server you are referring to for Mod 6 actually was Risia.

[Hambo]

Soon

The correct technical term for years has been "Real Soon Now"(tm) :D:D:D

[Shaamis]

well, if they are trying to counter any exodus to AoC.....

pre-release downloads begin May 14 (FOURTEENTH), pre-release play begins the 17th, and general release begins May 20th

If I was guessing, and trying to counter the AoC exodus, May 14th would be the release date for my "secret weapon". It will stem the tide of hardcore players at a time when they would be least thinking about DDO, and possibly keep their subs from cancelling on the 15th- 19th. If they can keep the uncertainty from people cancelling on those dates, before AoC's general release, they can possibly squeeze out another months wort h of subs from some people.

Personally, I will dual-sub for a month or two, make my educated decision, snd either go to AoC, or keep my DDO sub active.

and no, no one will get my stuff.

[ArkoHighStar]

well, if they are trying to counter any exodus to AoC.....

pre-release downloads begin May 14 (FOURTEENTH), pre-release play begins the 17th, and general release begins May 20th

If I was guessing, and trying to counter the AoC exodus, May 14th would be the release date for my "secret weapon". It will stem the tide of hardcore players at a time when they would be least thinking about DDO, and possibly keep their subs from cancelling on the 15th- 19th. If they can keep the uncertainty from people cancelling on those dates, before AoC's general release, they can possibly squeeze out another months wort h of subs from some people.

Personally, I will dual-sub for a month or two, make my educated decision, snd either go to AoC, or keep my DDO sub active.

and no, no one will get my stuff.

they don't have to go live by May20th, just have an an anounced date, and have monks on Risia. those going to AOC will be going regardless of mod 7, how good or bad AOC turns out to be will determine how many return to play mod 7

[suitepotato]

Where are we going?

Planet 10!

When are we going?

Real soon!

[Shaamis]

they don't have to go live by May20th, just have an an anounced date, and have monks on Risia. those going to AOC will be going regardless of mod 7, how good or bad AOC turns out to be will determine how many return to play mod 7

I would love it if they gave us an exact release date, but we have history of them not doing that for fear of backlash on not meeting that release date.

I stated my plan, (dual-subbing for 2 mon.) but there are a lot of people that will quit DDO cold turkey, cut their subs, and jump to AoC for the time being. The lack of a release date is working against DDO at this time, because the shiny new apple that is AoC will draw more subs away than the Mod 7 update will retain them for DDO. The more info we are given with the reason for us to stay for another month can only help DDO.

I know it's all a **** shoot, but how long will you let your customer base "sample" another game, before you react, and how detrimental will that be to their chances of coming back will it be, the longer you wait?

Even in this thread, there are those that said once they sink their teeth into AoC, it will either be a long time for them to come back, or never.

Not everyone will leave, and not everyone will stay, it's the fight for those monthly subscriptions is what pays the bills.

[DasLurch]

My guess is May 28th. It's the last Wednesday in May.

[Deriaz]

My guess is May 28th. It's the last Wednesday in May.

My guess as well.

Forget the date of AoC. It shouldn't matter when another game comes out to plan when you should release something. With a playerbase that is (mostly) loyal, from what I've seen, most will probably stay. I see lots of people threaten to quit. Only to have them post in another thread or log in a few days later.

Sure, AoC is a big contender. . . But then again, that's all hype, from what I've heard. Had a friend who said he tried it out. Whether he's telling the truth or not, I dunno, but he said it stunk. He's sticking to WoW (I can't get him to play DDO. :p).

So, while AoC is coming out. . . It shouldn't matter. I would think Turbine will stick to its plans. No reason to rush and release half-baked when you can be thorough, smooth it out, and release with a (hopeful) bang, right?

My two copper.

-D

[Invalid_86]

umm

Test server = where a company TESTS the product BEFORE the customers get to see it.
Preview server = where a company lets the customers come in and get a LOOK at the product BEFORE it is finished and released for general use.

Sooooo What makes you think that Risia = test server?

Milolyen

*Edit* DDO does have a test server ... that is where the people that reviewed mod 6 and 7 played to get a before hands look at it and it isn't Risia.


Well if the Monk hits Risia and people say (for example) that Ki bars are just dumb- and Turbine changes it- it's a test server.
If they don't change it, it's a preview server.
I would suspect the latter.

But who knows, maybe Ki bars will actually work.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Well if the Monk hits Risia and people say (for example) that Ki bars are just dumb- and Turbine changes it- it's a test server.
If they don't change it, it's a preview server.
I would suspect the latter.

But who knows, maybe Ki bars will actually work.


umm

Test server = where a company TESTS the product BEFORE the customers get to see it.
Preview server = where a company lets the customers come in and get a LOOK at the product BEFORE it is finished and released for general use.

Sooooo What makes you think that Risia = test server?

Milolyen

*Edit* DDO does have a test server ... that is where the people that reviewed mod 6 and 7 played to get a before hands look at it and it isn't Risia.



They have changed things people have posted on the forums from risia.

Therefore, it's a test server. Heh, it's even called "Risia Test Server". LOL!!!

[JD2134]

June 9th

[Vardak]

I'm thinking late June.... early August

[Capp]

...2012...

[CSFurious]

i think by now that we know that when Turbine names a month for a mod-release that they mean the last week or day

i have said many times that it would better to just release it on the first, e.g., June 1, 2008

that to me is June whereas May 28 is almost June lol


we know (sorta) that mod 7 will be out in May, but will it be May 7th, or May 28th?

I am guessing that it will come out on May 14th, just call it a hunch.....

anyone else have a good guess?

[Shaamis]

No reason to rush and release half-baked when you can be thorough, smooth it out, and release with a (hopeful) bang, right?

My two copper.

-D

DDO was released early for (Atari's) financial reasons, thats why mobs dont follow the same rules players do, monks, druids, prestige classes, and a ton of other things didnt get into the game at release, and we slobber at every chance to see an update with another "core" rule released.

AoC backed their release date four times I think, to make sure that didnt happen with their MMO. I think it sets a nice precedent for how they run their business, but that's my current philosophy on this subject.

Time will tell.

[Boldrin]

AoC is gonna suck just like LoTR so they'll be back. DDO rocks, despite its faults

[Kingfish]

AoC is gonna suck just like LoTR so they'll be back. DDO rocks, despite its faults

/agreed

So many games have been foretold will be the 'death' of DDO(notice i didn't say DooooooooooooM!!!). Hadn't happened yet.

The fact is, we have prolly 40-60% of the current subscribers have been here since the beginning and probably will always be here. Thats a pretty SOLID core...nothing Turbine can 'retire' on but they can COUNT on us. All they have to do is keep giving us our bread crumbs and we will stick it out WHY? Because its D&D.

Fact is, if this game was some "Generic World Online MMO", it prolly would have died a long time ago but that D&D brand, goes a long way.

[Draclaud]

/agreed

So many games have been foretold will be the 'death' of DDO(notice i didn't say DooooooooooooM!!!). Hadn't happened yet.

The fact is, we have prolly 40-60% of the current subscribers have been here since the beginning and probably will always be here. Thats a pretty SOLID core...nothing Turbine can 'retire' on but they can COUNT on us. All they have to do is keep giving us our bread crumbs and we will stick it out WHY? Because its D&D.

Fact is, if this game was some "Generic World Online MMO", it prolly would have died a long time ago but that D&D brand, goes a long way.


Only one thing will be the death of DDO. That will be a new DnD based MMO that adheres to the core rules instead of "loosely" basing the game on them as DDO does. Kinda doubtful as to that happening as the brand is being liscened to Turbine atm.

[Whippy]

Bypass Risia and go live mid may! Just a thought... lol!

[LOUDRampart]

I expect June:D

[Milolyen]

Risia is a mass stress test server that isn't really utilized. Mournlands is the QA server, granted, but Risia is where the ingenious player-base gets to break the game. Again and again. That at least gives the Devs a head start on a fix for when the module is actually released, allowing the Dev team to put a quickfix out sooner rather then later.

And that test server you are referring to for Mod 6 actually was Risia.

You can call it a test server for the fact that yes it gives a larger player base the chance to go in and test out (or preview if you will) SOME of the new features. If it is a TRUE test server the player base would be able to test ALL of the new features which is not the case.

Those interviewers had access to mournlands for those previews they did a write up on. Unless Risia was recently given the ability to instantly port to quest giver/quest entrance. Remember that little box everyone in the forums was "Ooooo" and "Ahhhh"ing about? Pretty sure that is not on Risia. Oh and they also mentioned in the article about being invited to play on Turbines PRIVATE server.


Well if the Monk hits Risia and people say (for example) that Ki bars are just dumb- and Turbine changes it- it's a test server.
If they don't change it, it's a preview server.
I would suspect the latter.

But who knows, maybe Ki bars will actually work.

Actually if that example did happen and people said it was dumb or wanted something changed about it and they made the change it would still fall in line with what a preview server is for. Let the customer get a look at what is to come, take feedback, and change if you feel is appropriate. Hence the whole change to the death penalty from what was released on Risia and what was released live. When that was released on Risia I am sure it was all working as intended, it was just the player base did not like the way it was working and was very vocal about it and turbine went back and rethought how they where going to make the change.


They have changed things people have posted on the forums from risia.

Therefore, it's a test server. Heh, it's even called "Risia Test Server". LOL!!! They have also changed things people have posted about on these forums also ... so does that make all these servers test servers? No don't think so.

Are you able to go on Risia and access ALL of the content they are going to add in the new mod? Nope.

On Risia do you have to go and flag for the raids or can you just go straight in and test them? Nope. (last I saw)

On Risia you get a preview of what is added. You give them feedback of what you think. Then they decided what they want to do. Therefore as I said in my very first post.

Risia is more of a preview server than a test server.

Milolyen

[ChildrenofBodom]

They have also changed things people have posted about on these forums also ... so does that make all these servers test servers? No don't think so.

Are you able to go on Risia and access ALL of the content they are going to add in the new mod? Nope.

On Risia do you have to go and flag for the raids or can you just go straight in and test them? Nope. (last I saw)

On Risia you get a preview of what is added. You give them feedback of what you think? Then they decided what they want to do. Therefore as I said in my very first post.

Risia is more of a preview server than a test server.

Milolyen

They wouldn't care for your opinions if it was a preview server. Dude, THE NAME OF THE SERVER IS RISIA TEST SERVER DESPITE WHAT YOU SAY.

Your point about the flagging makes no sense. They want you test how flagging is and want to know if it sucks or if it doesn't. So of course they wouldn't let you just go straight in. If they did that, people wouldn't test, they would just run in and get the raid down and be the first ones to do it when it goes live and feel all big and bad. They didn't let you TEST the shroud for this reason most likely.

Yes, you do get access to all of the content on Risia.....

BUT, just not the raids from now on because of what happened with the Abbot.

"Risia Test Server" is a test server not a preview server.

What would be the point of a "Preview Server" anyways....

[Milolyen]

They wouldn't care for your opinions if it was a preview server. Dude, THE NAME OF THE SERVER IS RISIA TEST SERVER DESPITE WHAT YOU SAY.

Your point about the flagging makes no sense. They want you test how flagging is and want to know if it sucks or if it doesn't. So of course they wouldn't let you just go straight in. If they did that, people wouldn't test, they would just run in and get the raid down and be the first ones to do it when it goes live and feel all big and bad. They didn't let you TEST the shroud for this reason most likely.

Yes, you do get access to all of the content on Risia.....

BUT, just not the raids from now on because of what happened with the Abbot.

"Risia Test Server" is a test server not a preview server.

What would be the point of a "Preview Server" anyways....

okay first Mili ... take a deep breath not sure why you getting all bent out of shape.

Second you think that they don't care what people think about the game on these forums? You think codog doesn't care about the feedback he gets from his thread in development discussion? Or Tolero and the others don't take the responses in the tell the devs threads? So what you are saying here is because I (and many many others) do not play on a test server they don't care about what I (and all those other customers) think? The reason they have Risia is because they do care.

Third how can it be an actual test server if they don't allow you to test everything? When you play on a test server one of your responsibilities is to test everything so even though you can go straight into a raid it is your responsibility to flag for it as well and test that. They went and changed the way raid loot works a little bit after mod 4 came out. Did they let you go in on Risia to test it without flagging and without the 3 day timer? Cause if it was a test server wouldn't they want that tested?

The point of a preview server is to give the customers a look at what is about to be released and gather feedback (feedback is used to judge if the changes that are going to be made are good for the product and may bring about changes) before it is ultimatly ready to be released live. You had access to all of mod 6 except for the raid on Risia ... hmmm if I remember right they gave you only brief access to the quests. Sorry but one weekend (if I remember right I could be wrong on how long you had access to the quests but then again even 2 weeks) is NOT enough time for a test server to "test" a quest. But it is enough time to give the player base a "preview" of the quests. Despite the name "Risia Test Server" it is more of a preview server than a test server.

Milolyen