Monk sub-classes?

[Shaamis]

I know there is going to be a huge influx of Monks when they are released, but what kind of monks are we all going to play? not the same I'll bet.

Monk+Rogue=Ninja best split: 1 rogue/ monk (the rest) benefits: UMD.....?
Monk+Cleric=Disciple best split: 1 cleric/ monk (the rest) benefits: slef healing above what a monk can do with his own class skills.....?
Monk+Ftr=Shinobi best split: 2 ftr/ monk (the rest)?benefits: feats, weapon proficiencies .....?
Monk+Pally=Kensai best split: 3 pally/ monk (the rest) benefits: SUPER saving throws.....?
Monk+Ranger=Ronin best split: 6 ranger/ monk (the rest) benefits: if two weapon fight/flurry stacks: tempest monk action.....?
Monk+Wizard=Shukenja best split: 1 wizzy/ monk (the rest) benefits: arcans wand-whipping kunk-fu master; insightful reflexes would make him untouchable for reflex saves. .....?
Monk+Sorc=WuJen best split: 1 sorc/ monk (the rest) benefits: great combo for a WF Monk.....?
Straight Monk=Shaolin benefits: Solid character, highest monk unarmed damage......?

We all know there will be an all-monk group out there, it'll be interesting how balanced or unbalanced a party will be when you join a group of monks with sub classes like above.

[Illuminati]

Monk/Cleric = Disciple?

[MysticTheurge]

Monk/Cleric = Cheese.

;)

[Shaamis]

Monk/Cleric = Disciple?
Huzzah! nice!:D


Monk/Cleric = Cheese.

;)

MT, I didn't know you were a prophet!

:D:D:D:D:D:D

we'll see how the cheese-doodles fall now, won't we ?

[Dracolich]

I actually think it will be the opposite of most of your Ideas. I believe people will maybe take 1-2 levels of monk at most just for the AC bonus from wisdom. Then the purist that will go straight Monk. I think a Robe wearing Cleric with a high dex and High wis. will be a nice combo. Rogue monk to me is ok but too many skills that both classes share like evasion so taking more then 1 level of Monk seems pointless.

Either way its fun to speculate, but until we see the skill and feat progression they will have its too unclear now what I will do. I have been tinkering with the idea of splashing one level of monk with my high dex ranger since he has a decent wisdom and wis AC stacks I would assume with everything.

[Aesop]

Monk/Druid = Kung Fu Panda

[Alavatar]

Monk+Rogue=Ninja best split: 2 rogue/ monk (the rest)? benefits.

Why Rogue 2? Monks get Evasion at L2 and Evasion + Evasion =/= Improved Evasion.

[Dalith]

I think it is all going to come down to what they give the Monks for class abilities, enhancements or require them to use a feat to get. Taking a level of Monk to get some class benefits are going to require that you not wear armor to gain those benefits...that pretty much leaves only high DEX/WIS tank builds. I see more builds mixing Monk with either the Ranger, Rogue, or Cleric...or some funky Pally, Wiz or Sorc builds. I think you could do a cool Barb/Monk build but it would require the Barb to be lvl 13 or 14 to increase the crit range on weapons...then again, in PNP the Monks had to be lawful and the Barbs are non-lawful.

[roadkill525]

I had a wujen in my PNP group once... I don;t want them in DDO. they smell worse then a dwarven barbarian

[ehcsztein]

My first experiment will be a halfling Tempest-monk (8 monk / 6 ranger / 2 fighter) probably not the "best" but that is the flavor I want to check out.

[Shaamis]

I actually think it will be the opposite of most of your Ideas. I believe people will maybe take 1-2 levels of monk at most just for the AC bonus from wisdom. Then the purist that will go straight Monk. I think a Robe wearing Cleric with a high dex and High wis. will be a nice combo. Rogue monk to me is ok but too many skills that both classes share like evasion so taking more then 1 level of Monk seems pointless.

Either way its fun to speculate, but until we see the skill and feat progression they will have its too unclear now what I will do. I have been tinkering with the idea of splashing one level of monk with my high dex ranger since he has a decent wisdom and wis AC stacks I would assume with everything.

Good points Dracolich, I'm just speculating what class combos will be out there, where the majority of the levels will be monk.

I see your point with using monk as THE splash class, just for the two benefits you mention, and the unarmed skill will just be a little more chedder.

I look at a lot of the splash combos above, but i guess some of them (the cleric1/monk (rest)) will probably never happen.

I just wanted to know what everyone else was thinking

[Shaamis]

Why Rogue 2? Monks get Evasion at L2 and Evasion + Evasion =/= Improved Evasion.

I dont know if this is possible, might be a house rule? Since DDO doesnt really go for house rules I'd say probably not, but i did change it to one level of rogue to get the UMD skill as a class skill at max skill levels (even though monk still will pay double cost to do it).

[WeiQuinn]

I was thinking of rolling up a pure Monk, and a Ranger/Monk hybrid of some type to play Tempest with all the Kamas I've been saving.

They'll be 32-point builds, maybe a Human for the pure Monk and a Halfling or Elf for the Tempest hybrid.

[KristovK]

1 Cleric/ X Monk is the build for Sacred Fist, which I'd love to see personally, fun class that's extremely potent against undead and outsiders.

People will be splashing monk thinking 'oh goody, I get dex+wis for AC now!' then complaining when they put on that armor and it doesn't happen. They'll be getting upset when FoB doesn't work for their Tempest build because they aren't using kamas. And so on, there's restrictions for all the Monk goodies, no armor, specific weapons only, have to be Lawful, and unarmed damage with only a splash of Monk is 1d6...not much point in that :)

Best Monk build is pure Monk, max damage potential, max AC potential, abilities and feats..best option all around. There are PrC which make taking something else with the Monk worthwhile, like the Sacred Fist, which costs the build almost nothing for that 1 level of Cleric and allows use of clerical spells as a bonus :) Depends on what enhancements we get with the Monk, but in most cases, splashing something with Monk levels or vice versa isn't worth it usually.

[Depravity]

I'm actually interested in the possibility of monk splash into a rogue - wiht the lvl 10/13/16/19 special abilities, giving up one level for the wis bonus on AC would be interesting. Too bad my pure rogue is true neutral.

Now if we can just get druids and the rogue/druid prestige class with weapon enhancement use while in wild shape class going...nothing like a stealth bear showing up behind the mobs.

[Shaamis]

My first experiment will be a halfling Tempest-monk (8 monk / 6 ranger / 2 fighter) probably not the "best" but that is the flavor I want to check out.


That will be an interesting combo, let us know how that turns out!:)

[Shaamis]

I had a wujen in my PNP group once... I don;t want them in DDO. they smell worse then a dwarven barbarian

WuJen are a crazy bunch, but that's all roleplaying with the fetishes and what-not. having to not bathe, howling at the moon on tuedays, and such....

But I get what you are saying. I just was thinking Sorceror+Monk=oriental style arcane caster, and WuJen came to mind.

[Shaamis]

I think it is all going to come down to what they give the Monks for class abilities, enhancements or require them to use a feat to get. Taking a level of Monk to get some class benefits are going to require that you not wear armor to gain those benefits...that pretty much leaves only high DEX/WIS tank builds. I see more builds mixing Monk with either the Ranger, Rogue, or Cleric...or some funky Pally, Wiz or Sorc builds. I think you could do a cool Barb/Monk build but it would require the Barb to be lvl 13 or 14 to increase the crit range on weapons...then again, in PNP the Monks had to be lawful and the Barbs are non-lawful.

There is still a lot of variables about the monk class in DDO to speculate about, and it's so frustrating, yet exciting to think about the possibilities.

You are right though, until the rules are splayed out for all to see, exactly what details are going to go into my build.

As it stands right now though, I am going straight (Shaolin) monk.

[ehcsztein]

That will be an interesting combo, let us know how that turns out!:)

Will do ... already got her to 6 should be ready to go 9 or 10 when the mod drops.

It's all about tempest + whirlwind attack + flury of blows and trying to see how setting up "combos" will work out.

[Kraki]

I think you could do a cool Barb/Monk build but it would require the Barb to be lvl 13 or 14 to increase the crit range on weapons...then again, in PNP the Monks had to be lawful and the Barbs are non-lawful.


Barbarian + Monk should not be possible. Barbarians are any non lawful class. Monks require lawful.

Same goes with our guitar strumming friends. Apparently, tonsures and harps don't mix.

Kraki

[MysticTheurge]

I'm actually interested in the possibility of monk splash into a rogue - wiht the lvl 10/13/16/19 special abilities, giving up one level for the wis bonus on AC would be interesting. Too bad my pure rogue is true neutral.

Monk 1/Pal 2/Rogue 13?

[jjflanigan]

Keep in mind that in DDO they might do something like they do with the sorc's bonus spellpoints. You won't get your full wis bonus to AC unless you are a full monk. for every % away from being 100% you lose some of the wis bonus to AC.

[captain1z]

Dragon + Monk = Bing!!!

[sigtrent]

To use the monk AC bonus from wisdom you need to ditch armor. This means you either need a monster wisdom (see cleric) or a monster dex (see rogues and rangers & elves/drow). So anyone splashing monk for the wis bonus is probably one of those.

Since I'm betting TWF and Flurry of Blows don't work together in DDO the Monk Ranger doesn't have a ton of appeal beyond the AC and save boosts. For rogues I'd see more insintive to me more monk than roge because you can't just use elective feats to up your flurry, you need monk levels. That limits the benefit from sneak attack, but if you go wtih halfling you have something going there.

For the clerics there arn't a lot of benefits to ditching armor. You could get an evasion cleric I suppose. I'd imagine folks would just do it for fun more than anything else.

A paladin monk who goes sans armor and runs finesse could work too for a kind of evasion pally tactic but rogue seems to have better skill offerings.

Monks are likely to splash various things like fighter for extra bennies, or you could splash cleric for some healing or a 50/50 cleric monk for a kind of self healing tankamathingie.

Arcane monks just don't make much sense. Perhpas bard but its a streatch.

[sigtrent]

My vote for coolest monk build at the moment is....

Halfling Monk X Rogue 1
Great defenses and low agro dps alogn with some rogue skills to taste

For a straight up combat monk I'm thinking
dwarven Monk 16 (possibly splash paladin or fighter)
This is the tough as nails nearly indestructable monk with imaculate saves and strong HP

[MysticTheurge]

Keep in mind that in DDO they might do something like they do with the sorc's bonus spellpoints. You won't get your full wis bonus to AC unless you are a full monk. for every % away from being 100% you lose some of the wis bonus to AC.

And they might make it so only Halfling Monks add wisdom while everyone else adds Comeliness, the new Stat being added in Mod 7.

:rolleyes:

[Nevthial]

IF Monk looks like I think it will, then I will be a Paladin 6 / Fighter 3 / Monk 11 . If not, then Pure Monk Human. ( 32 pointer )

[lopter]

wf monk/clr 6 clr rest monk.. get the bladesword to stack some self healing and other niftyness

[jjflanigan]

And they might make it so only Halfling Monks add wisdom while everyone else adds Comeliness, the new Stat being added in Mod 7.

:rolleyes:

Bah - No need for the sarcasm. There is precedence for them limiting the effectiveness of a pure class granted bonus based upon the number of levels of said class that the player takes. It is not outside the scope of reason (or even slightly stretching it) to believe they may do the same thing for monks.

[MysticTheurge]

There is precedence for them limiting the effectiveness of a pure class granted bonus based upon the number of levels of said class that the player takes. It is not outside the scope of reason (or even slightly stretching it) to believe they may do the same thing for monks.

There is one precedent. And it's an ability that they added on top of the standard D&D abilities.

It's beyond reasonable to think that they would add that sort of thing to abilities directly from D&D.

Now, if you were talking about monk level vs. total level affecting Chi somehow, then yeah, sure, they might do that. But not wisdom bonus to AC.

[jjflanigan]

There is one precedent. And it's an ability that they added on top of the standard D&D abilities.

It's beyond reasonable to think that they would add that sort of thing to abilities directly from D&D.

Now, if you were talking about monk level vs. total level affecting Chi somehow, then yeah, sure, they might do that. But not wisdom bonus to AC.

Regardless -- none of us know yet. I was making a statement that you cannot disprove which was relevant to the discussion should it occur, and you dismissed it out of hand. Saying " I doubt they'd do that because <insert the reasoning from this post>" is much more polite than being completely dismissive and sarcastic :P

*EDIT*

Just for clarification -- I do not think they would actually do something like this, nor would I want them to. Was just stating that, as of this moment, none of us KNOW how they are doing it. So positing that it was possible is within the realm of rational discussion.