1st level toons in the Orchard?

[Quanefel]

Correct me if I am wrong someone but is there not a level limit to get to the slayer area of the Orchard? I thought for sure you had to be 10th level at the very least to be able to step foot in there. So why I am looking at three 1st level toons pop in and out of the slayer area over and over again? Anyone have an answer to this?

*Edit* Accompanied by a 15th level sorc also.

[Dungnmaster001]

I'm not aware of any level restriction, but honestly I've never tried so I could be wrong. Also it could be that lower levels can "piggy back" on the higher level to qualify. But really what's the point... they won't get any XP, loot will be virtually useless (isn't there something that lowers the loot level in chests for characters too far below the quest/area? I seem to recall this but I'm not sure...similar to the powerlevel penalty for XP but for loot instead).

Unless of course they are plat farmers that have discovered some mysterious exploit/duplication method in the orchard....

[Quanefel]

I'm not aware of any level restriction, but honestly I've never tried so I could be wrong. Also it could be that lower levels can "piggy back" on the higher level to qualify. But really what's the point... they won't get any XP, loot will be virtually useless (isn't there something that lowers the loot level in chests for characters too far below the quest/area? I seem to recall this but I'm not sure...similar to the powerlevel penalty for XP but for loot instead).

Unless of course they are plat farmers that have discovered some mysterious exploit/duplication method in the orchard....

Honestly I do not know. I would jump on a lower toon to check the level limit but I have a ticket up right now, if I switch toons my ticket will go bye bye. =/ So, I will wait for a bit and see what it is. Unless someone wants to log into a lvl 1 toon and check it for me? Please? :P

As far as plat farmers exploiting, they are plat farmers. What do you expect? lol

[Auran82]

Could the level 15 sorc be killing nameds and thy level 1s are there for extra chances for tapestries?

[Quanefel]

Could the level 15 sorc be killing nameds and thy level 1s are there for extra chances for tapestries?

Could be, don't know for sure though.

[Ninety]

I'm going to guess the level 1's also have really odd random names... very similar to the ones we all get tells from

[Quanefel]

I'm going to guess the level 1's also have really odd random names... very similar to the ones we all get tells from

Some, yes. But not all of them are random keystrokes like the spammers make.

[Hvymetal]

My guess is that they are there to possibly increase the chance for tapestries.

[Quanefel]

My guess is that they are there to possibly increase the chance for tapestries.

Maybe but taps are virtually useless after you get one helm. You can put them on the AH but they aint worth alot since they are so easy to get.

[Hvymetal]

Maybe but taps are virtually useless after you get one helm. You can put them on the AH but they aint worth alot since they are so easy to get.
True, but they are some money and not everyone has a helm. I have 9 characters on one server and 7 on another, I know I farm for my lower characters using my higher and it would be handy to just have the taps ready for them when they get high enough to use them.

[Quanefel]

True, but they are some money and not everyone has a helm. I have 9 characters on one server and 7 on another, I know I farm for my lower characters using my higher and it would be handy to just have the taps ready for them when they get high enough to use them.

I understand what you are saying. It is nice to have extra, I have like close to 100 taps from running it solo with my mage alot. Got all the helms I need. All you would have to do is do that and save up all the taps you or maybe a guildmate might need. They drop so easily. Btw...how the heck do you manage 16 toons? I think I would go insane trying to manage that many.

[maddmatt70]

Its no different then the 4th level bard who completed a reaver run today.. Just jump in a group with higher level characters and away you go..

[Quanefel]

Its no different then the 4th level bard who completed a reaver run today.. Just jump in a group with higher level characters and away you go..

Well didn't they change that last year? Where if a toon is more than 4 levels difference the loot is reduced down to the lowest level player in group to prevent 1st lvl toons from pulling out items from chests from high end quests such as Beyond the Grave. In fact that was the reason it was changed to lower the loot for everyone grouped together doing that very thing.

[Wildseed]

Well didn't they change that last year? Where if a toon is more than 4 levels difference the loot is reduced down to the lowest level player in group to prevent 1st lvl toons from pulling out items from chests from high end quests such as Beyond the Grave. In fact that was the reason it was changed to lower the loot for everyone grouped together doing that very thing.

Don't know about loot in general, but loot in the orchard is not reduced. It stays high lvl until ransack, now after ransack it drops to like lvl 4/6 or something for a lvl 1 char.

[Shade]

There are no level restriction for getting into any area at all in DDO per character - the restriction is only placed on the group.. So as long as 1 character in the group meets the level requirement - everyone else, even a level1 can enter.

In theory one could have a level1 character with 2675 favor. Yes they could even beat the shroud on elite, at level1. Someone with 2 accounts could do this without much trouble too, in general the lvl1 guy would be a soulstone thru most quests - but just rez him at the end to enter next part/pick up shavarath stone/sigil piece/etc and move on)

Now they would not get any loot or XP no (well the loot would be scaled down to lvl1 due to the lvl difference).. But if the goal was to stay level1 - thats helpful in that case lol.

heh, here's the new challenge for DDO - first to favor cap with a level1 toon!

Also not sure on the tapestries thing - I'm guesing all named loot has 0% chance to drop if your loot table is getting nerfed due to lvl difference ( its something big like 7 levels) but may infact not effect the chance for named loot, but only random loot.

[Shade]

Tho if the loot reduction code delete guarenteed drops like shavarath stones then that wouldnt work - but you know I dont htink it does.. Because I know a friend who was shroud rdy at lvl7.

[nakedfatguy]

he was rdy but couldnt get in shroud. it had a lvl restriction on it....might have been 10, but cant remember that for sure.

As to the op's question, i think you can get in but wont get any xp.....so they probably doing it for tap pieces i guess?

[BlueLightBandit]

Well didn't they change that last year? Where if a toon is more than 4 levels difference the loot is reduced down to the lowest level player in group to prevent 1st lvl toons from pulling out items from chests from high end quests such as Beyond the Grave. In fact that was the reason it was changed to lower the loot for everyone grouped together doing that very thing.

Link to a post, or it's just an opinion.

To the OP... So? How does it affect you?

[brshelton]

Tho if the loot reduction code delete guarenteed drops like shavarath stones then that wouldnt work - but you know I dont htink it does.. Because I know a friend who was shroud rdy at lvl7.

ill be shroud ready at lvl 7 :D gonna have buddys take me in to craft early

[Lifespawn]

Link to a post, or it's just an opinion.

To the OP... So? How does it affect you?

it was changed exactly for the quest from beyond the grave want the post find it yourself

[Quanefel]

Link to a post, or it's just an opinion.

To the OP... So? How does it affect you?

Its not an opinion, its a fact. Like another has said, want the info then please look for it. But if you have been around since early last year then you would know it was changed, they announced it clear as day.


As far as the "So? or How does it effect you?" It is really of little importance how it effects me or how I feel about plat farmers. Besides, most people here know how I feel about them anyways.

[Wildseed]

But, maybe because the Orchard is an outside area it is different, because when the orchard first came out (less than a year ago) I personally have taken a lvl 1 in there right after it came out, looted chest till ransack and I experienced first hand that the loot does not scale down to lvl 1... now occasionally I did get a lvl 8 or lvl 6 item... but still that's not lvl 1

[Serpent]

Its plat farmers. They farm tapestries to sell with stuff on their website as well as sell in the ah. The loot is not that important to them. If you really want to have fun find one of them with a peculiar name and start a conversations. You'll pee your pants in 5 mins guaranteed:D

[Quanefel]

But, maybe because the Orchard is an outside area it is different, because when the orchard first came out (less than a year ago) I personally have taken a lvl 1 in there right after it came out, looted chest till ransack and I experienced first hand that the loot does not scale down to lvl 1... now occasionally I did get a lvl 8 or lvl 6 item... but still that's not lvl 1

I do not have a real problem with real players doing that, if they want to. But if a GM was to ever catch you using an exploit or the like(Not saying you..just a general you), I'd rather not see any real player banned for something like that. Now a plat farmer is a different story. They are not real players, they exploit to make real money from DDO's hard work so I do have a problem with them AND will report them each and every time.

There is a reason they put level limits on quests or slayer areas. To the players who do not understand the loot table being fixed because of Beyond the Grave, sorry you do not believe us. Ask a few of the long time players in game, they should remember it. If they cared to pay attention and actually read those patch release notes from last year when the Dev's changed it. People were a bit mad for awhile but got over it. In case you try to do a search, understand once every few months a "purge" of the threads happens. On purpose or accidently, its all the same since threads get lost. Hope that helps you in your questions.

[Quanefel]

Its plat farmers. They farm tapestries to sell with stuff on their website as well as sell in the ah. The loot is not that important to them. If you really want to have fun find one of them with a peculiar name and start a conversations. You'll pee your pants in 5 mins guaranteed:D

Ha! Yeah, I knew who they were and what they were doing. Mostly put the post up as a retorical question, I already knew the answer. The taps, well I will log in and check them on the AH in a bit and see what is going on there. There is a way to find out if items like that are placed by real players or farmers. I'd tell you and others but, its best people understand things like this themselves. A clue though is they place them pretty much the same as the SP pots that were such a problem in the AH. Thankfully the Dev's FINALLY fixed that but it took much too long.


I know what you mean about conversations with them. I strike up polite convos with them all the time, as I am turning them into a GM, watch them go "Poof" when a GM bans them and they get back on(With a premade new toon - Within 3 seconds!) asking if I am a GM and how sad they were I banned their other toon. I always laugh and tell them I am not a GM nor did I ban them. Leaving out that I am talking to a GM about their new toon! Good times. Good times indeed.

[Aranticus]

Its no different then the 4th level bard who completed a reaver run today.. Just jump in a group with higher level characters and away you go..

didnt they make it that you need to be L10 n above to get the quests for pop, madstone n crucible? if so how did a L4 get those quests and hence advanced the raid?

[Turial]

didnt they make it that you need to be L10 n above to get the quests for pop, madstone n crucible? if so how did a L4 get those quests and hence advanced the raid? As shade said only one person needs to be able to enter for every one to be able to go inside.

[Aranticus]

As shade said only one person needs to be able to enter for every one to be able to go inside.

to my understanding, you just need only one to enter to get the rest in. flagging for reaver requires blaze, jorgundal and nimbus to acknowledge you by 1. getting quest, 2. completing quest then 3. turn in quest. if you do not get the quest you cannot turn in the quest and hence they do not acknowledge you and thus do not lend you their support. unless of coz, you do no need the quest to get the support, then that would mean, its a potential exploit

ps: last i knew, you cannot enter a raid if you are not flagged