Another bad Ranger Story, and a moral:

[Shaamis]

Sometimes you gotta step back, and just say to yourself, WHY?

I was in a Trial by Fire PUG loot run last night, myself on my lvl 13 Warchanter, another guildie on her 16 Sorc, other Pups, and a 16th level Ranger. ranger was not leader of group, with another guildie in the group. no cleric in the group, one spot open for one. we decide to go in anyway.

Focus on the ranger.

/rant on

TWF for sure, dont know if he used a bow, but the point of this post is that this ranger seemed to be the most self-centered ranger I have ever traveled with.

points:
buffed himself only, all resists, barkskin, strength spell, etc. till he killed 50% of his SP.
didnt have a single CSW pot on him, lesser restore pot, no wands whatsoever.

We go halfway through the quest, I decide that he is gonna drain my CSW of all charges, decide to give him the 22 charge wand I have left, leaving myself one full wands, an 9 CSW pots (gave 20 to my guildie when we walked in).

I pull out the buffer all through th eadventure, good hope, bard songs, haste, etc. and we manage to get through......

Has anyone else seen or played rangers that are as self-centered as this?

By the way, he always said "ty" for every lesser restore, CSW, and charge spent on him, but never seemd to help anyone except for a camoflage (probably a mass camo)

but he DID have an impressive kill count, 5 above his ftr friend........

Why didnt he just make a ftr?

/rant off

Moral of the story: BE A TEAM PLAYER, carry pots to assist you when a cleric isnt available/or capable!!

[Geonis]

Not a bad Ranger story, bad Player story.

Get them straight, because if you are telling absolute truth, then regardless what class he was playing, he would have been a drain on resources.


Edit:

Also, why aren't you carrying Resist wands? I am assuming you are a Bard from the songs comment.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

This rant has nothing to do with Rangers.

[adamkatt]

Sometimes you gotta step back, and just say to yourself, WHY?

I was in a Trial by Fire PUG loot run last night, myself on my lvl 13 Warchanter, another guildie on her 16 Sorc, other Pups, and a 16th level Ranger. ranger was not leader of group, with another guildie in the group. no cleric in the group, one spot open for one. we decide to go in anyway.

Focus on the ranger.

/rant on

TWF for sure, dont know if he used a bow, but the point of this post is that this ranger seemed to be the most self-centered ranger I have ever traveled with.

points:
buffed himself only, all resists, barkskin, strength spell, etc. till he killed 50% of his SP.
didnt have a single CSW pot on him, lesser restore pot, no wands whatsoever.

We go halfway through the quest, I decide that he is gonna drain my CSW of all charges, decide to give him the 22 charge wand I have left, leaving myself one full wands, an 9 CSW pots (gave 20 to my guildie when we walked in).

I pull out the buffer all through th eadventure, good hope, bard songs, haste, etc. and we manage to get through......

Has anyone else seen or played rangers that are as self-centered as this?

By the way, he always said "ty" for every lesser restore, CSW, and charge spent on him, but never seemd to help anyone except for a camoflage (probably a mass camo)

but he DID have an impressive kill count, 5 above his ftr friend........

Why didnt he just make a ftr?

/rant off

Moral of the story: BE A TEAM PLAYER, carry pots to assist you when a cleric isnt available/or capable!!

Singling out rangers is lame.. Ive seen many players of all classes play like this..

[Turial]

We go halfway through the quest, I decide that he is gonna drain my CSW of all charges, decide to give him the 22 charge wand I have left, leaving myself one full wands, an 9 CSW pots (gave 20 to my guildie when we walked in).

Moral of the story: BE A TEAM PLAYER, carry pots to assist you when a cleric isnt available/or capable!!

Moral of the story...if any player and I do mean any player is costing you that much you let that player die, unless that players death will cause a wipe. It costs much less to res and heal vs continual wand whipping.

Bad players are a drain on resources and if people don't take them to the side and let them die from time to time all you do is perpetuate the idea that behavior that drains resources without giving any back is ok.

This is an example of a bad player not a bad ranger.

[Shaamis]

Fair enough, I was trying to say the character was bad, but you are right it was just a crappy player.

I am still trying to figure out how he got to 16th level, and still made statements to teh effect of:

"****, I forgot I dont have any pots"
"can I get a lesser restore?"
"cleric can I get a lesser restore?"
and...
"anyone have lesser restore pots I can have"

I shouldn't have blamed the ranger, but instead blame the player.

Thanks

[Darkwolf1071]

Agreed. This has nothing to do with being a bad Ranger, not even necessarily being a bad player other than 'carry your own healing'. Inconsiderate yes, bad no.

[Yaga_Nub]

This is pure class "racism," just like the other post in this forum.

Please stop looking at the class icon and realize it's the player not the class that is at issue here.

[Shaamis]

This is pure class "racism," just like the other post in this forum.

Please stop looking at the class icon and realize it's the player not the class that is at issue here.

I can say "ranger" on this forum and not get banned, but if I say <ranger's name> or <ranger's guild> I would get banned.

I have played since day one, and i was stunned at how this PLAYER took a character class with so much capability, and reduced it to a basic ftr.

You are right, it's not the car that runs over kids, it's the driver. I get it.

[Angelus_dead]

I was in a Trial by Fire PUG loot run last night, myself on my lvl 13 Warchanter, another guildie on her 16 Sorc, other Pups, and a 16th level Ranger. ranger was not leader of group, with another guildie in the group. no cleric in the group, one spot open for one. we decide to go in anyway.
Actually, that's a bad sorcerer story. The blame belongs to him.

Any sorcerer of level 13 or higher should be able to kill all the monsters in TBF before they get a chance to damage any player character. If other people had a chance to kill a monster, it meant he seriously screwed up.

[Shaamis]

Actually, that's a bad sorcerer story. The blame belongs to him.

Any sorcerer of level 13 or higher should be able to kill all the monsters in TBF before they get a chance to damage any player character. If other people had a chance to kill a monster, it meant she seriously screwed up.

you are right, if she was a zerging sorc that managed to stay ahead of the hasted melee ranger, she would have FoD/charmed/WoF everything.

but her Sorc wasnt as fast as the ranger

[Staffman]

To play the devil's advocate...

Maybe he wants to play a high kill count ranger. Maybe he doesn't want to waste his spell points buffing when there are other casters in the group and he needs to save his low spell points for a last minute emergency heal. Maybe he correctly assumed that a TBF run is all about shield wall and casters firewalling down EVERYTHING.

If you think someone isn't playing their class correctly, reconsider that this is a role playing game, not a min-max "I'm the best Ranger ever!!!" game to some people. Not everyone spends hours a day on a video game.

[Shaamis]

To play the devil's advocate...

Maybe he wants to play a high kill count ranger. Maybe he doesn't want to waste his spell points buffing when there are other casters in the group and he needs to save his low spell points for a last minute emergency heal. Maybe he correctly assumed that a TBF run is all about shield wall and casters firewalling down EVERYTHING.

If you think someone isn't playing their class correctly, reconsider that this is a role playing game, not a min-max "I'm the best Ranger ever!!!" game to some people. Not everyone spends hours a day on a video game.

You're right. I was just so stunned that I had to write about this as a way of getting it off of my chest. The quest went from "ho-hum..." to "Whisky-Tango-Foxtrot" with him, so I guess he gave me some excitement in an otherwise dull TbF loot run. I'll just note the name of the character, and try to avoid getting in groups with him for a while.

[flynnsane]

Bad Saaren! Not rangers...idiots.

Try running with Whiskeyjack or my brother's Kharras. Everyone gets resists and barky lovin'. And we both wield dual paralyzers so that our barbarian/ftr/pally/rge/bard friends can whoop up on them big baddies w/o fear of reprisal. Oh, and we carry at least 4 CSW wands at all times. Not to mention that when Whiskey gets older he'll be able to rez and maybe Heal from scrolls.

Oh, and both of us can throw out good DPS when needed. Oh, and if I get overzealous in my pursuit of dps/paralyzation the cleric gets a nice tip from me. ;)

Don't hate the Ranger, hate the moron at the keyboard ;)

Byshop

[Ninety]

You're right. I was just so stunned that I had to write about this as a way of getting it off of my chest. The quest went from "ho-hum..." to "Whisky-Tango-Foxtrot" with him, so I guess he gave me some excitement in an otherwise dull TbF loot run. I'll just note the name of the character, and try to avoid getting in groups with him for a while.



So basically your just angry that he didn't barkskin you, or cast resist with his 200-300 sp? with no extend spell? and by the way... ram's might is super effective for rangers... +2 str and +3 damage for 1 minute per level.. but it's self only.. he can't cast it on you.

What about the sorc and their 2000-2500 sp and extend? I have yet to see a good Sorc not carry resist.

[MysticRhythms]

With Warchanter Bardsongs going, I'd expect the Ranger in that group to go nuts with TWF. He likely had Giants as a Favored Enemy too.

Actually, if I'd have been the Warchanter, I'd have displaced him nearly the whole way.

Although if I were the Ranger (and I have done this quest with both my bard and Ranger), I'd HAVE the Lesser Restoration potions and I'd be using my spellpoints to help heal myself and in between fights, use my own CSW Wands.

[rpasell]

I've NEVER played with a Ranger like this, only Warchanters.

[Shaamis]

With Warchanter Bardsongs going, I'd expect the Ranger in that group to go nuts with TWF. He likely had Giants as a Favored Enemy too.

Actually, if I'd have been the Warchanter, I'd have displaced him nearly the whole way.

Although if I were the Ranger (and I have done this quest with both my bard and Ranger), I'd HAVE the Lesser Restoration potions and I'd be using my spellpoints to help heal myself and in between fights, use my own CSW Wands.

Thats' what I'm talking about. When we go into an event, without a cleric, it is assumed you have a little bit of self healing. The ranger/player was running through the quest with a constant 15-30&#37; of his hitpoint total. I'd give him a couple quick wand whips between chants, and he'd be off again.

my warchanter is currently 11/2 bard/ftr, unfortunately I dont have displacement yet.


I've NEVER played with a Ranger like this, only Warchanters.

Consider yourself lucky. I have played warchanters since critical rage I was a level 2 barb requirement, and I learned that a warchanter is not a tank.

[Gunga]

I think the OP had an experience where a ranger was playing like a noob. So he actually can say that he had another bad ranger experience, if he's had this experience with another badly played ranger in the past. Yes, it was the player that was bad. But, the bad player happened to be playing a ranger.

Also, Bad is a subjective term. If the OP thinks the meaning of a Good ranger is one who stays in the back ranging, wand whipping people and throwing out barkskin, than it's pretty obvious that he would consider the ranger he's posting about to be bad. It's his opinion. His opinion may be flawed, but he's entitled to it.

My suggestion to MT would be to either take some time to help the guy become a better player or add him to the blacklist and not group with him anymore.

[Missing_Minds]

buffed himself only, all resists, barkskin, strength spell, etc. till he killed 50% of his SP.

Are you aware of how much mana a ranger DOESN'T have? Do you know how much barkskin is normally DEMANDED of rangers? My guess is that he blew about 100-130 sp of his 300 or so stock of spell points. Be thankful that he covered himself. And this exact same rant can be said of paladins as well. So no need to single out a class.


didnt have a single CSW pot on him, lesser restore pot, no wands whatsoever.

Now this just speaks baddly of the player not the class as others have stated. At least he/she was polite, however. I've known several that are not.

And... unless you are sneaking around, camouflaged is a completely worthless spell to have if you ask me, and in that quest had no need to be thrown accepct as the obligotory, "see I buffed the party" In fact, I know people that get migraines such that the pattern of camo actually triggers the headaches. They will leave a quest and all buffs just so they don't get migraines when it is tossed on them.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

he didn't carry his own healing?.....bad.....but that would be the same for at least half the players out there.....90% below cap.

He didn't buff you?.....personal preference. But I think since you guys did not have a cleric, he should have done what he could to minimise group damage.

The key to mismatched parties is cooperation.

But far too many people think thier "Uber" toon needs buffs from someone else IMO.

None of my toons hand out individual buffs on everyone, except for special cirsumstances and end fights. Mass buffs....yes, but individual ones take to much SP.

I want to have fun with my SP, not buff you and watch you have fun.

[rpasell]

Thats' what I'm talking about. When we go into an event, without a cleric, it is assumed you have a little bit of self healing. The ranger/player was running through the quest with a constant 15-30% of his hitpoint total. I'd give him a couple quick wand whips between chants, and he'd be off again.

my warchanter is currently 11/2 bard/ftr, unfortunately I dont have displacement yet.

BTW the above post was sarcastic.

To seriously reply to this one though:

I play 4 Rangers, and I have a capped cleric. I do a lot of soloing with my Rangers. It's normal for me to be down to 10% of my health before I worry about healing myself. This goes for when I'm in party as well. I don't care what my HP bar says as long as it isn't RED. Relating to my cleric, it drives me nuts when people complain about not having a fully topped off HP bar. "Are you dead?" "No?" "Then shut up and complain when I let you die."

It's quite possible he was well aware of his HP level and just wasn't concerned. Though I do make a point of telling healers not to worry about me unless it looks like I'm getting creamed (in which case I deserve to die).

[Shaamis]

So basically your just angry that he didn't barkskin you, or cast resist with his 200-300 sp? with no extend spell? and by the way... ram's might is super effective for rangers... +2 str and +3 damage for 1 minute per level.. but it's self only.. he can't cast it on you.

What about the sorc and their 2000-2500 sp and extend? I have yet to see a good Sorc not carry resist.

All I'm saying is if you are gonna pose yourself as the dps/tank of the group, with no cleric in the group (my warchanter is not healing specced) at least have some self-healing to mitigate your own damage.

The sorc did have resists, but the adventure is more physcial damage (spiders and trolls)

When we got down to the last fight, it went super smooth.

[Shaamis]

The key to mismatched parties is cooperation.

QFT




I want to have fun with my SP, not buff you and watch you have fun.

[/quote]

Fair enough, I feel the same way. My kill count at the end of the event was <5, by teh time of the final ballte, I just wanted to get through it for the completion.

[Skinner]

My main is a 28 point Lvl 16 Ranger. I have limited mana and use most of it to buff myself. I do not drain the cleric or sorc/wiz for buffs. If I'm in a party and someone asks me to handle resists, I do, but otherwise, if you do not know as a leader how to use the group resorces, you need to re-think. Ask do not assume. If the player is bad, call them on it, but do not blame the class for the lack of leadership.

[Zenako]

My guess is that the Ranger was used to running in groups with a healer and did not have the supplies on hand to cover himself. I know on my Ranger/Rogue, who can and does solo stuff, which enforces the need to be self sufficient, that I have pretty limited back pack space available, but I do have room for healing wands, one stack of pots (for those few underwater times you need a fix), and various clickies for stuff like Rem Curse, Lesser Restore, etc.

As for casting spells, other than Barkskin on other melee's most other Ranger buffs in most quests at that level are not needed or sought. Most of the "tanks" I end up running with already have the pertinent resists covers with cloaks, etc. Jump, while it can be nice is really not needed in most quests. I stongly suspect that the Camoflauge was the Mass Variety, since the 2nd level spell choice suck compared to 1st and 3rd. I really wish I could slot another 1st level spell in one of the second level spots. As for spell points, if he was smart, those probably all came from some Magi Weapon and were "free" ones to be used up before starting. So a bunch of 10 sp (50) resists, 15 sp bark, 10 sp Rams, 10 sp jump and a 15 sp Mass camo would just use that up.

Also unless you made it clear you were a Warchanter Build, his main experience with Bards may have been with ones who are more happy to spend time buffing, singing and healing. (had the run been with my healing skilled, buffing/CC focused Spellsinger, I bet the run would have been seen differently.) In your case, I would have made sure that everyone had suitable supplies BEFORE you left the Tor once you decided to run sans dedicated healer. You can buys the Pots you need right there.

[DragonKiller]

As was stated... this is a bad player, that had nothing to do with the class/race that player chose to play.

All I can say to all the Rangers who say they don't have the mana to hand out barkskin to others in the party.... Well then I wonder if the Caster has enough mana to keep you blur'd, GH'd & Hasted. :confused: Just saying... you want buff's then handing out what you got is only fair. I ALWAYS hand out Bark to everyone in a Non-RAID run, and in RAID runs I ask who wants it and hand it out when I'm on my Ranger. I will grant you because I took the Arcane Archer line I have almost 500 SP on him, and the 1st thing I need to do it burn though at least 100 SP at the start of the quest so I can swap out my Magi item.

Those of us on Khyber also do have an advantage... QwijiMart... I always buy CSW & Lessor Restore Pots in stacks of 100. Heck I feel embarrassed if I have to ask for anything other than a full restore on just about ANY of my characters. Personally I don't think it matters if you do solo play or not, you should always to the best you can to try and make your character as self sufficient as possible. If you have to have haste, buy pots. If you can use wands, buy them otherwise buy pots (I always buy both... faster to heal up).

[Westerner]

Fair enough, I was trying to say the character was bad, but you are right...

how he ... made statements to teh effect of:

"****, I forgot I dont have any pots"
"can I get a lesser restore?"
"cleric can I get a lesser restore?"
and...
"anyone have lesser restore pots I can have"

I shouldn't have blamed the ranger, but instead blame the player.
I apperciate your acknowledging the ranger vs player concern. I understand your frustration at a player who didn't bring consumables and asks others to supply him. I would suggest that the best way to handle would be to give him constructive feedback about it in-game, perhaps via a tell. I know that type of feedback has helped me in the past to improve my game. :)

[Shaamis]

I think the OP had an experience where a ranger was playing like a noob. So he actually can say that he had another bad ranger experience, if he's had this experience with another badly played ranger in the past. Yes, it was the player that was bad. But, the bad player happened to be playing a ranger.

Also, Bad is a subjective term. If the OP thinks the meaning of a Good ranger is one who stays in the back ranging, wand whipping people and throwing out barkskin, than it's pretty obvious that he would consider the ranger he's posting about to be bad. It's his opinion. His opinion may be flawed, but he's entitled to it.

My suggestion to MT would be to either take some time to help the guy become a better player or add him to the blacklist and not group with him anymore.

I agree with you G, I guess I had a different idea of how the player should have been more of a team member. I know what to do in the future. He was also a member of a decently prominent guild, I figured he was level 16 for a reason :P Thanks for all of the responses

[Turial]

All I can say to all the Rangers who say they don't have the mana to hand out barkskin to others in the party.... Well then I wonder if the Caster has enough mana to keep you blur'd, GH'd & Hasted. :confused: Just saying... you want buff's then handing out what you got is only fair. I ALWAYS hand out Bark to everyone in a Non-RAID run, and in RAID runs I ask who wants it and hand it out when I'm on my Ranger. I will grant you because I took the Arcane Archer line I have almost 500 SP on him, and the 1st thing I need to do it burn though at least 100 SP at the start of the quest so I can swap out my Magi item.

Remember with 500 sp you are an exception to the rule on sp and rangers. Most will have about 200-300 max, good ones have about 500, and the obsessive ones start at 600 and then continually regen sp for some odd reason.

Compare that too the 2000 that some sorcs boast. Yeah it may be cheaper sp wise for a ranger to pass all resists and bark but it does chew up a large amount of total sp for them. (not saying they shouldnt do so, I'm one of those crazy sp obsessive rangers)

[Cupcake]

Sometimes you gotta step back, and just say to yourself, WHY?

I was in a Trial by Fire PUG loot run last night, myself on my lvl 13 Warchanter, another guildie on her 16 Sorc, other Pups, and a 16th level Ranger. ranger was not leader of group, with another guildie in the group. no cleric in the group, one spot open for one. we decide to go in anyway.

Focus on the ranger.

/rant on

TWF for sure, dont know if he used a bow, but the point of this post is that this ranger seemed to be the most self-centered ranger I have ever traveled with.

points:
buffed himself only, all resists, barkskin, strength spell, etc. till he killed 50% of his SP.
didnt have a single CSW pot on him, lesser restore pot, no wands whatsoever.

We go halfway through the quest, I decide that he is gonna drain my CSW of all charges, decide to give him the 22 charge wand I have left, leaving myself one full wands, an 9 CSW pots (gave 20 to my guildie when we walked in).

I pull out the buffer all through th eadventure, good hope, bard songs, haste, etc. and we manage to get through......

Has anyone else seen or played rangers that are as self-centered as this?

By the way, he always said "ty" for every lesser restore, CSW, and charge spent on him, but never seemd to help anyone except for a camoflage (probably a mass camo)

but he DID have an impressive kill count, 5 above his ftr friend........

Why didnt he just make a ftr?

/rant off

Moral of the story: BE A TEAM PLAYER, carry pots to assist you when a cleric isnt available/or capable!!

MT, wherein I feel yer pain,

May I suggest that next time someone posts a similar thread call it Another bad Non Team Player Story.. Versus restricting it to rangers.

I have partied with many a person that falls into your rant and they arent just rangers. I have grouped with wizards/sorcs/bards and clerics that only buff themselves and depend on the party to keep them alive.

As for the moral of your story, that is exactly right. Carrying what you can wands pots whatever is always a good way to help a party out.

And yes I have met self-centered rangers.

[unionyes]

Have to also agree that this is a bad player story, and reiterate that although there are tons of excellent Rangers out there, the class also draws a lot of players into it who are looking to be the hero in every situation, and they are the same ones that play like complete dorks and wind up needing way more assistance from the rest of the party. Of course, they then wind up with a high kill count, or whatever it is they are trying to accomplish. Behind every fighter with a high kill count is a good healer. Behind every sorc with a high kill count is a good meat shield. Behind every Rogue with a high kill count is someone else drawing aggro. Kill counts are party accomplishments anyhow.

Just to comment on the resists. I love Ranger resists, and will often ask the Ranger to cast them on the whole party when we are buffing, and give them DV's to enable them to do this. This frees up manna for the cleric and the arcanes.

[Cupcake]

Without going back to see who said it, as far as ranger mana goes...

Unfortunately Cuppcake, my lvl 5 ranger, only has 55 sp. When I get to where I can get barkskin I wont be able to give every
party member barkskin without a DV from the cleric.

Her wisdom will improve in time, but no way will I ever have 500 sp.

[Zenako]

You know, its LEMONADE time.

The reason so many people like to complain about some rangers, must be that they have such high expectations of what they can do that when they fail to live up those expectations, people notice.

By the same token, since no one complains about fighters, that must be because nobody expects them to more than a dumb bump on a log grunting weapon swinging doofus...

So in a certain way, all these complaints are a compliment.:D

Jareko has 236 SP (336 with the Magic Weapon) at the start of a quest. (12 Ran/4 Rogue)

[rpasell]

Without going back to see who said it, as far as ranger mana goes...

Unfortunately Cuppcake, my lvl 5 ranger, only has 55 sp. When I get to where I can get barkskin I wont be able to give every
party member barkskin without a DV from the cleric.

Her wisdom will improve in time, but no way will I ever have 500 sp.

You'll be surprised how easy it will be to accrue SP. Enhancement line + WIS item + Magi Item + base SP = around 300 even on a 10-12 WIS ranger.

[Cupcake]

You'll be surprised how easy it will be to accrue SP. Enhancement line + WIS item + Magi Item + base SP = around 300 even on a 10-12 WIS ranger.

Thank you sir.

[Arryeo]

Behind every sorc with a high kill count is a good meat shield.

LOL.... yeah... far behind him and running to catch up.

[Altarboy]

All I'm saying is if you are gonna pose yourself as the dps/tank of the group, with no cleric in the group (my warchanter is not healing specced) at least have some self-healing to mitigate your own damage.

The sorc did have resists, but the adventure is more physcial damage (spiders and trolls)

When we got down to the last fight, it went super smooth.
Jeez everyone ready to pounce on ya!
He said something...
was admonished...
admitted his error...
corrected himself....
and is still getting scolded. Cut the guy a break.
I applaud your ability to take what these guys said and not flame it up.
Impressive for these forums

[MondoGrunday]

You know, its LEMONADE time.

The reason so many people like to complain about some rangers, must be that they have such high expectations of what they can do that when they fail to live up those expectations, people notice.

By the same token, since no one complains about fighters, that must be because nobody expects them to more than a dumb bump on a log grunting weapon swinging doofus...

So in a certain way, all these complaints are a compliment.:D

Jareko has 236 SP (336 with the Magic Weapon) at the start of a quest. (12 Ran/4 Rogue)

i find that amusing. i for one usually have low expectations from a ranger. people complain because the ranger can't dps like the fighter that they are expected to keep up with and are let down.

[Shaamis]

MT, wherein I feel yer pain,

May I suggest that next time someone posts a similar thread call it Another bad Non Team Player Story.. Versus restricting it to rangers.

I have partied with many a person that falls into your rant and they arent just rangers. I have grouped with wizards/sorcs/bards and clerics that only buff themselves and depend on the party to keep them alive.

As for the moral of your story, that is exactly right. Carrying what you can wands pots whatever is always a good way to help a party out.

And yes I have met self-centered rangers.

In my early morning coffee (and drive-time) induced rage, I mistyped, and should have said Another bad "player" story, and a moral:

In retrospect, it's a clear case of ranger kill-count glory, which is kinda sad, because my ranger (13/2 ranger/ftr) is all about team effort:

FTR: tank when I have to
RANGER: range when we have enough tanks
ARCANE: buff when I can help
CLERIC: heal in-between adventures
ROGUE: sneak up/ pull enemies

In my mind, thats what rangers are about, filling the gaps, making it work, and getting the job done.

Then fading into the backround to let others get the "glory"

Kinda like Batman (not batMEN)

[Cupcake]

In my early morning coffee (and drive-time) induced rage, I mistyped, and should have said Another bad "player" story, and a moral:

In retrospect, it's a clear case of ranger kill-count glory, which is kinda sad, because my ranger (13/2 ranger/ftr) is all about team effort:

FTR: tank when I have to
RANGER: range when we have enough tanks
ARCANE: buff when I can help
CLERIC: heal in-between adventures
ROGUE: sneak up/ pull enemies

In my mind, thats what rangers are about, filling the gaps, making it work, and getting the job done.

Then fading into the backround to let others get the "glory"

Kinda like Batman (not batMEN)

Ya LOL

Cuppcake on Ghallanda is 13/2 Ranger Fighter.
I try and play as you do and do what is needed where it is needed.

[Shaamis]

Jeez everyone ready to pounce on ya!
He said something...
was admonished...
admitted his error...
corrected himself....
and is still getting scolded. Cut the guy a break.
I applaud your ability to take what these guys said and not flame it up.
Impressive for these forums

I did come into this rant sort of hot, and made a mis-statement about the ranger class in general, so I deserved some of it.

I have jumped on people for just about the same thing :P

Thanks for the compliment though

[DragonKiller]

Remember with 500 sp you are an exception to the rule on sp and rangers. Most will have about 200-300 max, good ones have about 500, and the obsessive ones start at 600 and then continually regen sp for some odd reason.

Compare that too the 2000 that some sorcs boast. Yeah it may be cheaper sp wise for a ranger to pass all resists and bark but it does chew up a large amount of total sp for them. (not saying they shouldnt do so, I'm one of those crazy sp obsessive rangers)

I agree on handing out Resists to the whole party, most Rangers just don't have the Mana for that. But I think most should have enough to resist themselves, and hand out Bark to 4 or 5 other people. I think it's very important to hand it out to the melee types, and the healer as it can really help them avoid damage. Casters it's either way... honestly it won't help a lot of casters (what difference does a 25 ac have over a 20 ac in all content past like mod 4) but I always do it because then everyone looks like a tree and we all feel special and closer to nature :D

[Zenako]

I agree on handing out Resists to the whole party, most Rangers just don't have the Mana for that. But I think most should have enough to resist themselves, and hand out Bark to 4 or 5 other people. I think it's very important to hand it out to the melee types, and the healer as it can really help them avoid damage. Casters it's either way... honestly it won't help a lot of casters (what difference does a 25 ac have over a 20 ac in all content past like mod 4) but I always do it because then everyone looks like a tree and we all feel special and closer to nature :D


I do too on my Ranger...Wood for the Win.

On my Paladin, I try and instill a little VIRTUE on everyone too, but it hardly seems to stick on many of the deviants I end up trying to perserve their souls on. A little looting, A little Mayhem...ah...can we take a moment to talk about the higher powers and how we can all be their devoted servants....slash, crash, boom....bang...slicing and dicing....oh man even the Clerics seem to have fallen from the perch...ah, we try again...Instill VIRTUE on you, and You and You...and wait you Barbarian, you are hopeless no Virtue for you....

[GeneralDiomedes]

In retrospect, it's a clear case of ranger kill-count glory, which is kinda sad, because my ranger (13/2 ranger/ftr) is all about team effort:

FTR: tank when I have to
RANGER: range when we have enough tanks


This is not a ranger story, or a bad player story, it's a Rodney Dangerfield story.

People will only be satisfied when the Ranger leads in kills, places extended buffs on everyone (whether they need it or not), never takes a heal and is a good all-around guy to boot!

[Cupcake]

I do too on my Ranger...Wood for the Win.

On my Paladin, I try and instill a little VIRTUE on everyone too, but it hardly seems to stick on many of the deviants I end up trying to perserve their souls on. A little looting, A little Mayhem...ah...can we take a moment to talk about the higher powers and how we can all be their devoted servants....slash, crash, boom....bang...slicing and dicing....oh man even the Clerics seem to have fallen from the perch...ah, we try again...Instill VIRTUE on you, and You and You...and wait you Barbarian, you are hopeless no Virtue for you....

LOL. I love it. :D

Especially a DWARVEN barbarian.

[rpasell]

and is a good all-around guy to boot!

Dang, I'm automatically disqualified.

[Dracolich]

To the OP and anyone else that wants to post a rant about a specific class. Remeber there is a person controlling the toon you are watching. For god sakes complain about the person and stop making threads about classes. All the bad ranger threads all boiled down to ignorant players(oops forgot I cant say ignorant...oops again)since bad playing spans across all the classes and games on this thing we call our planet. Please get it straight.

For goodness sake some forum mod watch the threads and close them. Start giving infractions since after all they are practically bumping old locked subjects.

[Turial]

Jeez everyone ready to pounce on ya!
He said something...
was admonished...
admitted his error...
corrected himself....
and is still getting scolded. Cut the guy a break.
I applaud your ability to take what these guys said and not flame it up.
Impressive for these forums

Yeah we did jump all over his cake about this one. Its a hot point of contention. The whole bad player vs bad class distinction needs to be made more by players and posters in the forums.

Statements such as "Blank class is bad" build up the justification that some people use in game to refuse capable players access to their groups. Rangers, battle clerics, and Warforged are clasic examples of groups that run into issues with grouping because of player opinions.

The player behind that character may be very capable but because of the stigma created around those groups, by some statements. They find themselves having to make a case to get into the group where someone who may be a "bad player" playing an accepted class will get in with no questions.

[rpasell]

The player behind that character may be very capable but because of the stigma created around those groups, by some statements. They find themselves having to make a case to get into the group where someone who may be a "bad player" playing an accepted class will get in with no questions.

I have never and will never "make a case" to get into a group. I'll just start my own. It's been said before: If an LFM excludes a class, either they are looking for something specific, or are ignorant of the excluded class. Always remember it's a game, and being offended by a game is absurd.

[Altarboy]

I did come into this rant sort of hot, and made a mis-statement about the ranger class in general, so I deserved some of it.

I have jumped on people for just about the same thing :P

Thanks for the compliment though
Granted, but after you conceded and it continued I would have been really hard pressed not to respond with stupidity if it were me.

[Turial]

I have never and will never "make a case" to get into a group. I'll just start my own. It's been said before: If an LFM excludes a class, either they are looking for something specific, or are ignorant of the excluded class. Always remember it's a game, and being offended by a game is absurd.

Yes being offended by a game is absurd.

It is not the game that offends, however.

[barecm]

Any player running a class that can use healing wands (cleric, ranger pally) or umd to use healing wands (bard, rogue, sorc) should have them equipped and use them in all quests. Every class should have heal pots and lesser restore pots equipped and use them. The only caveat I can think of is if you know your cleric has a healthy amount of mana (and is in no threat of running out) and you don't want to burn heal pots / restore pots. However, this is the exception and probably fairly rare when it happens.

I view the clerics job to keep people healed during the fight, I view the job of the wand users to keep everyone topped off between fights. As well as using whatever pots and wands to remove stat damage and whatnot.

Clerics burn plenty of cash buying heal and res scrolls, the least rangers (and other wand users) can do is blow a few plat on some wands every now and again.

[DeadlyDaph]

Well that totally bites with what he did but some people are like that.. It is ruff when you don't have a cleric but I have been in alot of pug groups where having a cleric in is not the best thing.

On my 8 ranger/ 7 rogue she carry 100 serious pots and 100 lesser restore pots and about 4 Cure Serious Wands.. I tend not to give out my barkskin due to it being nerfed cause I 7 levels soon to be 8 levels of rogue.. My resists are not up to snuff but something is better than nothing..

What really grinds my gears is I have been in a few pugs.. I was playing my ranger/rogue and have out healed and saved the party many times with a cleric in our group..

One time we did cabal and things went bad.. I ran around managed to rez a fighter with my rez ring.. Drink pots to keep alive.. Healed the fighter while he grabbed agro and manged to rez the cleric and heal him.. Saving the party from a totally wipe.. So rangers are not the only class it is the player behind the keyboard that makes them who they are. Some people will buff you and help heal and some are there for their own self and just pugging cause they can't solo it..

[Naturelaughslast]

i find that amusing. i for one usually have low expectations from a ranger. people complain because the ranger can't dps like the fighter that they are expected to keep up with and are let down.

Question: What rangers are YOU playing with? Seems you have not kept up on current events- most str based rangers, and dex(with the right weapons in case of dex) can out dps a fighter and keep up with a barbarians (against favored in case of barbarians). Because ranged combat is still broken imo, most rangers are pushed to melee a good 80% of the content only using their bow on and off- if at all, and as such have put quite a bit into their dps.

[DeadlyDaph]

Most groups I'm in on my ranger rogue come to find out I'm very handy.. I back up heal use my Paralayzing bow alot to help the tanks out.. I don't care about kill count.. Getting the instance done the best we can is job 1.. I don't know how many rangers don't use thier bow but I do.. I'm a ranger that likes to crowd control and help save the wizard spell points and do the same for the cleric..

[rpasell]

I would guess his point is there is no way a Ranger "SHOULD" be run other than the way the player want to run it. The same goes for any character class.

My cleric isn't your babysitter, he has spell pen and destruction for a reason :) .

[Shaamis]

I would guess his point is there is no way a Ranger "SHOULD" be run other than the way the player want to run it. The same goes for any character class.

My cleric isn't your babysitter, he has spell pen and destruction for a reason :) .

I agree, no one should tell another person how they should run their character.

I took his reply to the boxed text he quoted me as calling me ignorant for the two points I listed, when I listed five points originally.

I can't figure out how you got his meaning out of what he said :rolleyes: you read minds too? :D

I did bring him back from negs at one point in the adventure, so I should like get a medal or something.

[Puke]

Interesting.

Just a couple days ago my 12th Ranger (who Barked everyone) grouped up with a 14 Bard/1 Ftr who didn't really seem to care if she hit others with haste or other buffs. Now, we did have a Cleric and a Caster in the group but odd that this Bard would haste himself whether or not near other characters and would zerg ahead to the next fight. It was quickly evident this Bard was all about making sure he had the most kills. It wouldn't have been so bad had the caster thrown out more haste but oh well. We all survived.

There are lots of "bad" players in this game and they play many different character types. Also, the term "bad" is relative. Now, I don't know the full story of your Ranger but some just don't have the spell points to go around and maybe a DV or two would've helped. I have no clue and am only guessing though I think you are more right on this that it was just someone who didn't want to help others because it may impede his ability to lead the kill-count.

The worst thing Turbine ever did was put in the kill-count. That immediately sent this game away from cooperation to competition between players. My $.02.

[Depravity]

Not a bad Ranger story, bad Player story.


QFT

Just went through swiped signet on elite with my 2ftr/2rngr, on his way to being a hated bow build. We had a cleric in the group, who knew one of the other characters. Said cleric healed himself and his friend, while I had to wand whip the rest of the group. His sp never dropped below 50%. I don't in any way mind battle clerics, but when I know they could help and they don't, I get a tad ticked off.

[rpasell]

I agree, no one should tell another person how they should run their character.

I took his reply to the boxed text he quoted me as calling me ignorant for the two points I listed, when I listed five points originally.

I can't figure out how you got his meaning out of what he said :rolleyes: you read minds too? :D

I did bring him back from negs at one point in the adventure, so I should like get a medal or something.

/derailed

[Altarboy]

On and on and on and on...etc

[Delt]

Silly thread. Doesn't even sound like the person playing the ranger (even if he was a pure ranger) was all that bad - I mean, he did lead the kill count and the group completed fairly easy. In fact, it sounds like the warchanter is to blame. If people see a bard icon and head into a quest without a cleric, they'll assume the bard is handling the cleric duties (thanks to the stellar healing bards out there). If the person expected to handle the healing duties doesn't have ample supplies, COMMUNICATE that to the party before you head off.

I play two rangers-types and two bard types. One of my rangers (w/ rog splash) will buff others as needed. The other TWF fig/rang/rog will not, he'll actually ask for resists.

My pure bard will heal all day long and buff everyone up - better than most clerics. My battlebard will not spare so much as a blur or a cure wand, unless things have gone completely sideways.