This is just nuts!

[GlassCannon]

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Some of us play classes that are perpetually broke.

Some of us play a lot of those classes... characters that consume huge amounts of resources... and those of us... DO NOT HAVE TIME TO LOOT GRIND. These values shown in the Auction House are plain obscene.

Players should be unable to post auctions for over the items base value x10.

The Plat Cap also needs to be lowered.

These two simple things would be major steps toward a fairer, more reasonable Stormreach.

[GlassCannon]

Also, if this thread gets too many people saying things like "Thats normal, and should be normal" or "I dun want my plat cap nerfed!", I will post even more obscene prices.

I expect people may even begin explaining why they do things like this.... but that's being hopeful and optimistic.


IRL comparison: Why charge $600 for a single shoelace? Sure, a shoelace isn't easy to find right away, but $600 for a shoelace? Come on.

[boldarblood]

Some of us play classes that are perpetually broke.

Some of us play a lot of those classes... characters that consume huge amounts of resources... and those of us... DO NOT HAVE TIME TO LOOT GRIND. These values shown in the Auction House are plain obscene.

Players should be unable to post auctions for over the items base value x10.

The Plat Cap also needs to be lowered.

These two simple things would be major steps toward a fairer, more reasonable Stormreach.

So you are a casual player, and do not have time to loot grind, so you want to put a limit on what others can attain. Sour Grapes. The market sets the value on items, if people are paying that much then keep putting up. Putting a 10x limit would kill the AH, why put anything of value there with that kind of limits.

[Angelus_dead]

Some of us play a lot of those classes... characters that consume huge amounts of resources... and those of us...
DDO has no class which consumes huge resources. Some players may decide to spend a lot, but that's up to you.


DO NOT HAVE TIME TO LOOT GRIND. These values shown in the Auction House are plain obscene.
Yes, they are insane prices for most of those items. What you see here are TRAP values intended to trick the customers of plat farmers into buying lots of plat on their credit cards. They're probably posted by plat farmers, or by legit players who are hoping to sucker some plat out of plat-buyers.

The idea of those prices is that they are at stupid costs which only bad players would be silly enough to buy. It's a way of victimizing unknowledgable players. Assuming you know enough not to pay the stupid prices, it shouldn't bother you, except that it wastes space in the AH window.


Players should be unable to post auctions for over the items base value x10.
The fact is, some items ARE worth more than 10x or 100x over the base value. It would be unfair if that wasn't respected.

[penumbra]

i would suspect plat farmers and follow-the-leaders( those who post AH prices based on the most common) to be responsible for this. there are ml4 and 6 weapons on khyber AH for 100k gp to 500k gp.

[GlassCannon]

So you are a casual player, and do not have time to loot grind, so you want to put a limit on what others can attain. Sour Grapes. The market sets the value on items, if people are paying that much then keep putting up. Putting a 10x limit would kill the AH, why put anything of value there with that kind of limits.

I want the Trade Boards revived for all the major items. The AH makes things too impersonal(and greed based, which is unhealthy). As for me being a casual gamer, I could easily fix it by paying people to grind for me(Plat Farmers), but refuse that service for my own reasons.

I am firm on my request for the balance to the AH and reduction of the Plat Cap.

[Rragnaar]

/Not Signed!!!

Just because you don't pull good loot and don't utilize the Auction House to it's full benefit, doesn't mean they should penalize everyone else.

I myself loot run the vale explorer area or the Orchard when bored and occasionally get things I don't need. I should be able to auction the items I don't need for whatever price I want, not what someone else feels that I deserve for that item.

I'm sorry if someone feels that they are too broke to afford the items, but the simple reply is loot everything you get in a chest, and use whichever toon you have with the highest haggle to sell the things you don't need.

Everyone started out broke, some people just figured out ways to make money more effectively than others.

[Kerrn_Siff]

umm.. don't buy them then?

Why should you be able to buy high end raid items/ingrediants for less just because you don't have time to play alot?

[Lifespawn]

having those items is not your right you don't deserve them just because you want them.

Once a char hits lvl 10 they should start making plat easily lowbies are expensive but thats it.

Send all your high end items with your char with the most haggle it will make a huge difference.

Don't buy the items go find them.

Don't like to grind atall don't expect to get anything for free.

Are they tons of things i can't afford yes do i HAVE to have them no look at it say thats a nice item and move on.

/NOT SIGNED

[Harncw]

I post stuff at high prices all the time on the AH
Just put 5-7 large ingredients on the AH for 150kpp with 250kpp buyout.
Just put a +2 con tome on the AH for 2mill pp buyout... this is on khyber.

You will see that more than likely most of it wont sell (I did sell on large ingredient though at buyout 250kpp), but sometimes it does.

OP:


I dont care.
Keep your rants outta my business.
I dont think there is anything wrong with what I'm doing.
I hope someone is buying plat to pay the high prices.
If you need some plat and are on khyber send me a tell maybe I will give you some.
It is a free market economy.
You sound like a facist.PS:
Learn how to post a screen shot (5 screenshots next to each other? no carriage return?)

Edit:
I specifically target the AH with crazy prices on the weekends cause that is when the kiddies are on!

[xynxie]

As said alot of high prices are plat farmers.....ingredients take a lot of time getting....if you spend your time looting then pull stuff you don't need or want....then it is yours and you have the right to place a value on the time and effort to spent playing to get those items.

For a person that just casually plays the game BUT wants all the bells and whistles such as ingredients for what ever they are wanting to make, to say its greedy to charge you for your laziness in wanting to gt these items, is in and of itsself greedy. You, like alot of people in real life, want to benefit off others hard work at an expense you deem fair.....not what the market dictates. Thats not fair.....you want it, buy it ....if you can't afford it spend the time loot running to find it yourself....or do what you have done up to now....do without it.

The market is fair....its peoples WANTS...not needs that make em feel different.

[Stormanne]

While I agree with the OP that the prices are outrageous, it is the market that drives those prices. If I thought I could get those kind of prices for my ingredients, I'd most certainly post them as such. As it is, those prices help me sell the items I do have because I routinely post my items at about 15-25% lower cost than the least expensive "outrageous" items.

As for the comment about him sounding like a fascist...you are only half correct. The other half of the definition makes it out like you too are a fascist..

fascist
One entry found.

fascism

Main Entry:
fas·cism Listen to the pronunciation of fascism
Pronunciation:
\ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date:
1921

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>

[Grond]

IRL comparison: Why charge $600 for a single shoelace? Sure, a shoelace isn't easy to find right away, but $600 for a shoelace? Come on.


If people will pay $600 for a shoelace, then that's what will get charged for it. If people don't like the prices, don't buy. I don't. If enough people won't buy, then the price will come down.

[boldarblood]

I want the Trade Boards revived for all the major items. The AH makes things too impersonal(and greed based, which is unhealthy). As for me being a casual gamer, I could easily fix it by paying people to grind for me(Plat Farmers), but refuse that service for my own reasons.

I am firm on my request for the balance to the AH and reduction of the Plat Cap.

In all honesty all you will do is kill off the AH, make it completely worthless. I for one would never put anything in the AH again, I am not getting value that I would through trading in general chat, trading on forums, etc. It would not be worth it. Plus you, the casual player, would never find anthing of value there. The casual player does not have time to idle in front of the AH for a long time. Anything of value would be taken within seconds of it being posted.

[BlueLightBandit]

umm.. don't buy them then?

Why should you be able to buy high end raid items/ingrediants for less just because you don't have time to play alot?

BINGO!

And Double Bingo.

[Ringos]

People should be able to post their items for the price they want to get. Guess what, if nobody agrees with the value they place on the item, nobody will buy the item. You think if people were forced to list ingredients for a few thousand plat that they actually would? Do you think that if they DID list ingredients that cheap, you would actually get to purchase them? Nope, they would be gone in 2 minutes. It's not up to a few disgruntled players to set the market. Demand sets the market.

[Mhykke]

I would suggest just running the quests/raids for the items that you need instead of buying them.

Will it take longer? Sure. But if you admittedly don't play as much, shouldn't it take longer? Unless you're asking that someone who plays less should receive the same benefits of someone that puts more time in.

[query]

Clerics therefore are to refuse any type of costlty purchase for healing, raise, or resurrestion items as they do not need to use them, it being the other players who keep dying.


How quick would that work many of you non donating take advantage of assuming clerics will always be able to heal you players?


Oh yeah.


And the AH pricing is unjustly inflated due to plat laundering and poor people copying the so called "normal" listed prices.

They have no idea when the code is mentioned for the illegal sellers to buy and sell the items, and often get nothing but us angry they list something and many of us outright refuse to buy that inflated price plat laundering or not.


So people, post fairly or you will simply be angering some of us legitamately trying to get an item we tried over and over and are not receiving in game play but will not ever buy a outright bull price.


And I went into this in another post, but plat and item scammers, I will report you, always. Go ahead, send another tell. Funny how your web sites keep getting shut down? Must be they eventually trace yoiur accounts back to the source of your IP based on the complaints linked to th DDO account?

Yeah, keep it up. Right clicking is soooo difficult now you future banned scum.

[Kerrn_Siff]

Trade lists on the forums are an unrealistic solution since a very small portion of the gaming population even comes here, never mind comes here looking to post items for trade etc.

I for one hate trade lists since it takes forever, requires coordinating schedules to meet, and you never know if you are getting ripped off. I've done it a few times certainly but I would much rather be able to compare things on the AH and just do a quick BO and go have fun questing.

100kpp is not a lot of money for high level toons. If they want to pay that much to get the last item or two they need to craft a greensteel item (or whatever) as the raid group is waiting on them to zone in then more power to them.

I just don't get the issue I guess. If you want something badly enough then pony up the cash to buy it. If you don't want to buy it then go get it and be resigned to it taking longer.

[Eudimio]

Um, OP is a repeater-based ranger and he doesn't understand why he's broke?

[Eudimio]

Oh, and I love the AH market on Khyber for large ingredients. I completely set the price. When I start buying, minimum bids and buyout prices rise. When I stop buying, they fall. I can't wait for the guy who puts them up for auction to find out that he only has one (buyout) customer.

Capitalism rocks!

P.S. Sorry for the price run-up three weeks ago Khyber. I was making my first tier 3 dual-shard weapon.

[Grenfell]

Is that you, Gov. Spitzer?

/gren

[Whulffer]

Well, consider it like this, if your a casual player and play 3 hours a week, it's not a rare item if you have it. These weapons i think are meant to be uncommon and special.

On another note, there is no reason for you to feel you have to buy these medium ingredients, so why complain about the prices. If you want it and can afford it, buy it, if you don't have the cash to pay for it, or the will to, then you don't. Whats the confusion.

Maybe a player who plays 3 hours a week shouldnt have the best items in the game. ;)

On another note, fi you took those 3 hours and did shroud all the time, you would eventually craft a first upgrade weapon which can be very cool itself.

[Serpent]

Um, OP is a repeater-based ranger and he doesn't understand why he's broke?

Yea I saw that too...

[Steejan]

Um, OP is a repeater-based ranger and he doesn't understand why he's broke?


So let me see if I understand this statement correctly.

You are saying that a repeater-based Ranger should be broke? :confused:
What leads you to make that assumption?

[Steejan]

Is that you, Gov. Spitzer?

/gren



Naaaa, can't be him!

At this very moment Spitzer and Billie-Bob Clinton are sharing a very special cigar and a few late night war stories! :D

Steejan...

[Vormaerin]

I guess if you always fire off paid for special ammo or something? Dunno..

Anyway, the items in question are not rarer for casual players than hardcore players in terms of hours spent in the game, unless by casual you specifically mean "smell the roses" type game play. It takes pretty much the same amount of game time for either player to get the items in question. Its just that the casual player plays less.

Most of the prices on the auction house are poorly thought out. You see tons of items with a minimum bid of the item's full retail price even though the item isn't anything special. And even more stuff that's way beyond the price you'd pay for a broker. On the other hand, some things would never see the light of day if pricing wasn't free. No one would put a Kardin's Eye or similar item up for cash if the auction house system was limited as the OP suggested. So we would be back to the old days where the only way to get an elite item is to already have an elite item you want to trade. Not really any better for the casual player. Cash is easier than elite items and you really want to keep the ones you do get, not trade them away.

[Ranmaru2]

for my view on this subject and some insight as to why it ends up like this, refer to:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=1628601&postcount=82
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=1628624&postcount=86
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=1628650&postcount=89
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=1628681&postcount=94

[Harncw]

The other half of the definition makes it out like you too are a fascist..

So since you think I meet half the definition does that make me a half a fascist for you?

[Zenako]

Asking for X and actually getting X are too very different things entirely.

I could ask for 1,000,000 gold for my +1 flaming kama. I would have 0.000001% of actually ever selling in at that price. It would just be a waste of gold (listing fee) for me to post it. Now for some things like Ingredients, they have very low base values, hence have a very low listing fee. That means the seller can post and repost the item over and over and just hope to get a bite from someone who is just so desparate for just that ingredient that they are willing to pay silly money just to make that item now! Instead of running a few more times and hoping to get it in quest.

Same thing happened (and still does) with Shield Fragments and Tome Pages from the Orchard. They all lead towards making or getting some item that is nice, sometimes very nice. Just like Dragon Armor from GH. Getting 25 Scales is not easy. Which is why the price of scales is still high.

What valid arguement can you post that would dictate a limit on maximum auction house pricing?

As others have indicated, if such draconian rules were put in place, then all those really neat items that everyone covets would likely disappear from the AH entirely and revert to trading spam in the general window and trade forums in other venues like here. So unless you have other really neat items to trade or lots of wealth to part with (which is already an issue based on the complaint) then you would still not be able to obtain the item, nor would you have anywhere near the opporutnity to get it. On the AH at least you have the chance to get a good deal if a given item escapes broad notice and does not get a lot of bidding. With a trade, you will have no real chance to get lucky like that.

Have you ever checked out EBAY and seen some of the stupid buyout (Buy it Now) prices on some items there? Since EBAY charges real world money for the listing and the starting price, most people try to be a bit more reasonable with what they spend to just list an item, but even then, people can still wish and hope. I have seen items listed with minimum bids that are still higher than that item sells for 95% of the time at final bid normally. All it takes is a few people seeing and THINKING that is the market price and more people list them like that, and more people end up with unsold listings. Prices on Orchard items is creeping downward since the demand for Orchard items is declining as well. Are they still high? Yes they are still rare and hard to find.

Now one area I might agree with is pricing on "commodity items", things that Can be purchased from vendors all the time, like most potions, scrolls and wands. Stuff like that. Putting stupid prices on energy cells that can be purchased by just walking to the vendor in the heart of Meridia is hoping to take advantage of ignorance. That is low. Now it is very very seldom that I see any normal item listed for stupid money, everyone knows it is a waste of listing fee and time, but not everyone knew that you could just buy those cells for coin. So if they wanted to put a cap on "those items" that would not be an issue.

[sipior]

While I can appreciate the OP's sticker shock, his "solutions" are not at all well thought-out, for reasons covered thoroughly by the posters above. But the most important reason to be completely unconcerned with the high price of ingredients can be gleaned from the recent pricing behaviour of the AH market. Paralysers, which used to sell for well over a million GP, now barely rate a quarter of that. Same with Gianthold relics, tapestry pieces, dragon scales, etc., ad nauseam. It is certainly true that one occasionally still sees outrageous prices for these items, but these are mostly either inexperienced sellers, or folks hoping to get lucky (or both, I suppose). The high prices shown by the OP are simply due to the relative rarity of ingredients, until a larger fraction of the player base run the Vale quests and become Shroud-flagged. So, give it a couple months. But regulating prices in the manner suggested by the OP is the quickest way to introduce an artificial scarcity of ingredients. Then almost no one will get to buy them, at any price.

Also, I think it would be incredibly interesting to see what fraction of these high-buyout "bait" auctions actually end up being returned unsold to the owner. I suspect that's a pretty high number.

Last, none of these ingredients (certainly the Vale and Shroud part 1 ingredients) are particularly hard to fetch (which also implies that the price collapse will be sooner rather than later). Sharpen your sword and go get them!

[Hendrik]

Those prices seem to be about the norm there Glass.

You know what they say about a fool and his money, or what P.T. Barnum said....

Only 'solution' I have, avoid the AH. I do. Or when I do 'need' to use it, I WAY undercut.

This is the downside to having an in-game AH, greed. I much preferred having the forums as the norm for trades/sales. And even if we got ALL plat farmers out of the game, I only think that prices would drop some, but only after some time had passed and much of the plat hordes were diminished.

Those flavor of the month items, ingredients being it this time around, will always try to take top 'dollar'. I will never pay those kind of prices and get some good laughs at the posters of these auctions. I'll trade with party members or with Guild, thats free.

However, being in favor of a 'market driven economy', not a fan of any restrictions placed on the AH.

[Pecky]

Resize your images. They are too large for the forums.

[Attomic]

So you are a casual player, and do not have time to loot grind, so you want to put a limit on what plat farmers can attain. Sour Grapes. The market sets the value on items, if people using plat farmer services are paying that much then keep putting up. Putting a 10x limit would kill the plat farmers, why put anything of value there with that kind of limits.

A little community-service fix, on the house. ;)

[xynxie]

Greed is in the eye of the beholder. Is it greedy for me to play 8 hours a day everyday....pick up some decent loot after those many hours playing and then sell it for what I believe it is worth after studying the boards and Ah to see what things sell for?

Example...on a smaller scale....3 weeks ago I make a new toon....while leveling to 4 I find 4 masters touch and 3 Merfolks Blessing scrolls....Since I have read the boards I put the Masters Touch scrolls on for 15kpp each and Merfolks on for 8kpp each....Sold all within 24 hours for those buyouts.....that was a bit over 55kpp for a new toon....but only cause I found the knowlege and used it....no plat farmer did it....just me.....wiz need em to burn cause they can't be bought..supply and demand.....now 3 weeks later I can't get that much so I give em away to lowbie wizzes when I run into em.

Or is it greed, you know in the cheap way....where you don't have to spend the resources or deal with bad pugs and spending cash fixing gear on wand whipping in bad pugs...or your own personal time....to get what I have at a price you deem all my effort was worth....all so you can get an ingredient that I have run a quest 20 times for and you have run 2x and didn't find

Its my find.....therefore I get to set what I think it is worth....If the folks don.t buy it I can sell it cheaper or bank it.

As for the weapons and armor.....unless someone in the group I am in needs it....in which case I generally give it away....I sell to potion vendors...just to make sure plat farmers don't get anything I may have thought they can make cash on AH.

All this from a guy that has never had over 100k plat and currently at 50k plat.....enough money doesn't make this game playable...how you use it does

[Cairo]

Just do what I do. I picked up a few ingredients yesterday, searched the AH, and put them both up at 40% of the next lowest buyout. if they sell, I STILL make a huge profit. if not, ill lower it a bit more. If enough people do this, prices come down.

I always undercut the AH by at least 40-50%

[CSFurious]

this made me laugh out loud

although, i did run with a repeater ranger in the orchard once who could definitely solo it with his repeaters of disruption & smiting, he was pretty awesome


Um, OP is a repeater-based ranger and he doesn't understand why he's broke?

[Mindspat]

Some of us play classes that are perpetually broke.

Some of us play a lot of those classes... characters that consume huge amounts of resources... and those of us... DO NOT HAVE TIME TO LOOT GRIND. These values shown in the Auction House are plain obscene.

Players should be unable to post auctions for over the items base value x10.

The Plat Cap also needs to be lowered.

These two simple things would be major steps toward a fairer, more reasonable Stormreach.

Do you understand the basics of "Supply & Demand"? Also, how many times have you attempted to sell items on the auction to reclaim them from the mail 3 days later?

you're proposals are childish. sorry - don't buy them if you don't want to pay the asking price.

And, it's dumb to alledge any class is "perpetually broke". Maybe it's just your playstyle - try a different character or think outside of the box. Either way, be happy you are able to play even though your style is broken.

I hope this doesn't sound like I'm trolling regardless of I'm being frank. ;)

[Missing_Minds]

I want the Trade Boards revived for all the major items. The AH makes things too impersonal(and greed based, which is unhealthy). As for me being a casual gamer, I could easily fix it by paying people to grind for me(Plat Farmers), but refuse that service for my own reasons.

I am firm on my request for the balance to the AH and reduction of the Plat Cap.

You want trade boards.. oh looky.. we have marketplace forums!

I will fight against this idea of a cap EVERY step of the way. The supplier puts up a price, the AH takes a cut one way or another. You are NOT required to even touch the auction house EVER.

Shall we see how far you could get Ebay to put a cap on stuff. Yeah, thought so. Feel free to whine, but it won't happen. If anything the only thing that may happen is that our current plat carrying cap may increase.

[Amaras]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2095/screenshot00007wd7.jpg

OP is complaining about what? That hes unable to control the economy to his wish?

[sirgog]

A fix is BADLY needed to prevent people spamming the auction house with items that are priced ridiculously.

Currently the AH is almost useless for ingredients, as you have to sift through about 20 pages of plat farmer listings like those, to find the few ingredients that are actually priced at amounts that will sell.

Unfortunately, for reasons above, putting a lower cap on max selling price/max buyout will wreck the Auction House even more. If you can't get a fair price for your +3 Banishing Rapier due to a low cap, noone will ever sell good things on it.

Solution: Make the listing fees on the AH 5% of the initial bid amount and/or the buyout price, then, to keep overall fees constant, drop the Final Value Fee from 30% to 25%. People won't post a Medium Glowing Arrowhead for 100k PP if it costs them 5k PP to post such a spam ad. On the other hand, people will still be willing to post their Large Glowing Arrowhead for 100k PP, as at that price it's got a fair chance to sell.

[Stormanne]

So since you think I meet half the definition does that make me a half a fascist for you?

No, it merely means that I am half a fascist as well. I firmly believe in capitalism, but in the case of in game economy, its been taken to extremes ( by fault of plat sellers and those that wish to match their prices). If my post makes me out to think myself above said definition, I apologize, for I am not.

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

that reminds me...I need to post some ingredients...whats the biggest number I can think of...
eleventy billioneny milton kpp...and 2 cp for one useless meduim splintered horn

It has been going on for quite a while...that and people offering to trade non rare tier 1's for quest only tier 1's...1for1....husks for funk anyone?
I will trade you 18 husks for 18 funk...no...really!...
what no one wants my husks?

ok...how about for pebbles...
twigs?
fungus?
I've got 14 petals...
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[KristovK]

AH prices have been a joke since it was introduced, and it's NOT the platsellers who are the main culprits, it's people who play the game and want to get as much coin as possible for everything they have, regardless of what it's worth ingame, either coin or usage, is.

We HAVE trading forums for each server, we've had those since the game started, and what you see on the AH is what you see in the trading forums. People with gear asking for outragous sums/trades for their gear. Like the AH, some people know there's idiots out there that WILL pay stupid sums for items or make stupid trades for items.

Don't like it, don't do it. I use the AH to buy stuff, but I also refuse to pay the sums some people ask because they know there's idiots who'll pay it. I believe the most I've ever spent on a single item in the AH was 400k gold, and that's just because it was something I really really wanted, a Sunblade. Otherwise, if it's over the base price, I usually scroll on by, there's other stuff in the AH at prices that are realistic.

[Steejan]

Um, OP is a repeater-based ranger and he doesn't understand why he's broke?




Since I have ran my 28 point Ranger from level 1 to level 16, I have not experience the poor farm syndrome you speak of.

In fact, my Ranger typically has 10,000 plat in his bank at most times and has no problem supporting himself and keeping all his potions and wands stocked and items completely repaired.

Of course this is all done WITHOUT buying any plat what so ever. Sadly the loot god have frowned upon him and made his loot luck bad, so that he has never pulled one of the big 5 weapons that he could ever really use.

Of course that has not ever stopped him from working hard and killing a ton of beasties and looting, looting, looting to scrounge up enough plat up to buy each of the big 5 weapons.

So from this Rangers prospective, he is not poor or ever will be poor unless he blows all his plat on the AH and then that is only a temporary set back for he will go back out and start looting, looting, looting once again.

Steejan…

[Grimdiegn]

Since I have ran my 28 point Ranger from level 1 to level 16, I have not experience the poor farm syndrome you speak of.

In fact, my Ranger typically has 10,000 plat in his bank at most times and has no problem supporting himself and keeping all his potions and wands stocked and items completely repaired.

Of course this is all done WITHOUT buying any plat what so ever. Sadly the loot god have frowned upon him and made his loot luck bad, so that he has never pulled one of the big 5 weapons that he could ever really use.

Of course that has not ever stopped him from working hard and killing a ton of beasties and looting, looting, looting to scrounge up enough plat up to buy each of the big 5 weapons.

So from this Rangers prospective, he is not poor or ever will be poor unless he blows all his plat on the AH and then that is only a temporary set back for he will go back out and start looting, looting, looting once again.

Steejan…

If you think 10k plat on a level 16 is not broke I'm not sure what to say. I have level 8's with more than that with no buying or pass down of plat.

[Invalid_86]

I'm not sure if I should respond with "then don't buy it" or "take economics 101. I'll just go with both.

[Steejan]

If you think 10k plat on a level 16 is not broke I'm not sure what to say. I have level 8's with more than that with no buying or pass down of plat.


Woops, my bad! :( It appears I missed a zero on my 10,000 it should of read 100,000 plat and that would be a minimum I try not to drop down under, unless I really want an item bad.

To me, being broke is a toon that is in the position where its unable to take care of its self, when it comes to repairing, healing and buying potions and all the other things required to be self sufficient in this game.

See I take pride in my toons being self sufficient and not having someone else nurse me through the dungeons.

Grim, if you have lots of plat on your level 8 toons, well good for you! :)

My repeater Ranger does not go without anything either. In fact a large portion of the time I'm well above the 300k plat level. After all I did buy my para, banishing, disrupting and smiting heavy repeaters off the AH house and to do that task is no small feat and you can't be a broke Ranger at the beginning of any of those transactions. :cool:

Steejan...

[Xenaphon]

AH is working the way it is suppose to. Supply and demand drive the price. If there are people willing to pay 100k plat for a twig or pebble, then why should anyone sell it for less? I remember when Major Mnemonics used to cost about 3k plat, now you cannot even find one at any price... this is a great example of supply and demand. BTW, if there are tons of twigs with buyout at 100k, it means no one wants to buy it at that price.

As for being poor... you have to decide what you are willing to spend on certain quests... good example is Shroud part 4... This fight can be very costly in resources. You have to know when to cut your losses, like when you have one cleric with no mana and 3 fighters left with pit fiend at 40%.... you can still do it, but at what cost, will you chug couple of mana pots??

[Kromize]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=1630907#post1630907

Check it out. I think this would fix the problem for ingredients, now that you can exchange them, instead of waiting for luck, or finding someone with the one you want... But maybe not....nobody buys them from the AH anyways...

[Emili]

It is indeed bloody crazy... you should figure out how to edit pictures when you post:p

Seriously though I do not see why you bothered posting overpriced ingredients on the AH on the forum...
While it's true some people will luck out and take advantage of someone here ... those who work for thier own
plat will also work for thier own ingrediants 99.9% of the time... thus is no bering on you, me or anyone else here.

[CSFurious]

i posted some on khyber ah last night after 6:00pm EST for 25000 plat buyout

by 9:00pm EST, the item had been purchased

obviously, there is a demand

i do the same thing with major mana potions, but i sell them for more usually around 30,000 to 40,000 buyout, they get bought out real fast

[Steejan]

i posted some on khyber ah last night after 6:00pm EST for 25000 plat buyout

by 9:00pm EST, the item had been purchased

obviously, there is a demand

i do the same thing with major mana potions, but i sell them for more usually around 30,000 to 40,000 buyout, they get bought out real fast


Very nice profit there!!!


Yup, the bottom line to this whole thread is: If a person wants an item off the Auction House and they have the plat, by all means knock your self out and go get that item if YOU think its worth the asking price.

The Auction House can be a very good means to make your toon some very quick cash or find yourself some very good items.

All in all, it just another tool in this great game we all love playing. ;)

Steejan...