How is it that people still cannot grasp...

[jjflanigan]

The fact that rangers are good melee characters and can bring a lot to the table with DPS, buffs and healing (especially in the Shroud raid).

I just don't get the logic behind excluding rangers from a LFM for the raid when you are accepting paladins, fighters and barbarians. Could someone who does this type of thing explain to me why you do it?


*EDIT*

And yes, I know everyone has a right to only accept what they want into their groups -- I just am curious as to why they would limit it that way.

[~Jules921]

Consider me one of the reformed masses. I use to think that rangers were not tanks - in fact I would hesitate taking one on at all unless it was a guildie. But running with has opened my eyes - that and running a couple of rangers myself has helped a lot as well :rolleyes:. Now I include rangers in my lfm and just state Tank needed when I need that type of spot filled.

Jules

[lostinjapan]

Because there are a lot of bad rangers out there. I've seen rangers with the HP of a harbor kobold, kiting mobs all over the place because they shot them and did minimal damage before someone else got aggro, and by kiting they keep the melees running to get aggro back/kill, these rangers die all the time and give the good ones a bad name.

I suggest you just send them a tell explaining your build, the fact you can buff, self-heal and that you have construct and evil outsiders as 2 of your preferred enemies.

Or join a heavy raiding guild that runs Shroud completions on a daily basis.

It's not a good answer but it's the only one I have.

[MrCow]

It boils down to the fact that the more versatile classes are easier to have bad run-ins that shadow a person's perception that the class isn't all that good (a badly played rogue, ranger, and bard stick out).

Also, there are enough people who still equate ranger with ranged weaponry only. :(

[Borror0]

I've seen rangers with the HP of a harbor kobold, kiting mobs all over the place because they shot them and did minimal damage before someone else got aggro, and by kiting they keep the melees running to get aggro back/kill, these rangers die all the time and give the good ones a bad name.

Sooooo true, I've seen a level 16 ranger with 136 HP!:eek: I mean, I'm ok if you're low HP... but even my caster beats you to it... then they have a bad bow as their main bow, and probbly no greater bane... and use House D arrows...

TWF rangers are beasts when built right! Bows are good if the player at the other end is too. But ranger is not an easy to play class...

[Freeman]

I'm not prejudiced against rangers, so I'll always take one. But I do it with the expectation that it is a **** shoot as to what you will get. I still remember many moons ago, looting some of the desert quests. The ranger in our PUG just couldn't grasp the concept that every time he ran off with a mob chasing him, he ended up bringing more mobs he'd just aggro'd/spawned back to the party. We ended up wiping after he managed to drag back 3-4 arcane skellies at once.(We were all in the level 10 range at the time) That kind of experience can quickly spoil a person's view of rangers. Fortunately, I'm a little more tolerant that most people. I'll try anything twice, on the assumption that it might not have been done right the first time. Just like with rogues and bards, adding a pug ranger means you are adding an unknown element to your group.

[Ringos]

The Shroud really shows off what a Ranger can do IMO. A lot of people are coming around. Some Rangers take note of Ranger excluders and make it a point to get in groups with them to change their minds. Others take note and throw them on the DNG list. Post about things like the all-Ranger Veleh Elite kill a little while back help out I think. Getting your own friends and guildies to start putting Ranger in their LFMs helps a lot. One Ranger in the party already doesn't equal the max number, but some think 'why have more than one?'. I've educated some of my old runnin' mates on that fact.

Another issue is the tank vs dps. If someone is looking for a tank, I don't try to get my TWF DEX build Ranger in the party. I don't have a sky-high AC, damage reduction or over 300 hp. If they are lookin' for DPS, yeah, I can do that. A problem is that some Rangers think they can 'tank' when they can't. There ARE some that can but a lot more think they can be a true tank than actually fit the bill.

There are some GREAT Rangers on this server, and I've had the pleasure of running with some of the best. If people open their minds, and thier groups, they will probably be pleasantly surprised at what a Ranger can bring to the party.

[Borror0]

Just like with rogues and bards, adding a pug ranger means you are adding an unknown element to your group.

Bah, bards and rogue are more useful. Ranger's fortitude save mgith be too high and they would be bad testers for spiders and snake.;)

[sigtrent]

I like rangers. The general quality of the ranger pool has been increasing as of late, or so it seems to me.

I tend to put rangers in the DPS cattegory as they are rarely built for tanking, but even the dex rangers can put out good damage at high level. Even the archer oriented ones are usualy pretty decent unless you end up with "Sir Kitesalot" which is just irritating in most parties.

And I love having the extra resist caster in the party, makes life easier for the other casters. And who doesn't like barkskin?

I wouldn't make a ranger my only melee in a challenging quest though. Too much agro for them in that case. Although really I'll run a party of darn near anything most of the time and just adjust tactics to what we have to work with.

[Borror0]

And who doesn't like barkskin?

You haven't read my caster's bio then:

Note that Barkskin is a waste on a 10 AC, don't cast it on me unless you feel better looking at me all in brown.

[Freeman]

Bah, bards and rogue are more useful. Ranger's fortitude save mgith be too high and they would be bad testers for spiders and snake.;)

Hey, even characters with high saves can be useful. I remember one Tangleroot run where we needed a volunteer to distract Whisperdoom while the rest of the party destroyed her eggs. We sent in one paladin. About two seconds later, we see "Your party member, Karisu, has died." Fortunately, I had had the foresight to bring another paladin with me for just such a situation. He was somewhat nervous, but I simply instructed him to run faster that the last paladin. We eventually made it past the level, thank's to my superb leadership. Or sheer luck. One or the other.

[Borror0]

He was somewhat nervous, but I simply instructed him to run faster that the last paladin.

Brilliant!!


We eventually made it past the level, thank's to my superb leadership. Or sheer luck.

:rolleyes:

Freeman is much better for this, he can haste himself and run like a sissy crying for help.:D I'll stop there, if I want to keep on getting Inspire Heroics though.;)

[Naturelaughslast]

The problem with rangers is most people can't play them well. The strength of a ranger is found in their balance of bow and melee attacks. Some people...lets just say alot, tend to lean to heavily one way or the other- although i find the ones leaning toward melee more often are better. "Usually" its the guy who insists on shooting and kiting entire mobs and when they come close to the party does not switch to melee *even though rangers have great twf* because he has **** hp's or no clue(my very first ranger I was guilty of this as well). Most people tend to prefer fighters and other classes because they can actually take down mobs faster up close(defending the group) then a ranger who is just ranging and running away from everyone. This is not the case in the Shroud raid where Ranged based rangers are awesome to have- but while ranged attacks are still slower and in my opinion still broken in the game, its not something to always rely on. Rangers are highly survivable with great buffs an excellent enhancement line and lots of great free inherent feats. Although I would love to see many-shot become a stance and have a ranged alacrity added.. the problem is not the fault of a broke class but of ignorance of how to play it leading to bad experiences and ranger bias. The problem I belief has gotten much better with the addition of the Tempest line and I for one feel much worse for the poor rogues and pallys who are gimped more atm.

[Borror0]

I for one feel much worse for the poor rogues

Rogues are uber, if you say that, you haven't played with my rogue guildies.

[jjflanigan]

A lot of good points, thank you all for taking the time to answer me.

I was getting extremely frustrated trying to get into a shroud group this evening after getting rejected from 4 different groups because they didn't see a use for rangers and none of them would give me any reason as to why -- the closest I got was "I don't like them, if you want rangers in the Shroud raid start your own party" (paraphrased, but fairly close to the exact words).

My ranger is my first melee character I've ever really built up to be decent. I can put on a shield and get my AC to 51, but I'm also a tempest build with a +37 to hit (before favored bonuses) while dual wielding. He's strength based and when I put on ram's might, my strength is sitting at 32. That on top of the favored enemy enhancements and I can put out some really nice numbers. I have 380 sp (I know not that much, but I don't have a wisdom item currently) and 352 hp. All around I feel that Palosin is a decent build and I'd like to think I'm a good player. It just gets under my skin when people won't even allow me the opportunity to prove it one way or the other.

My guild is really good about being open to all builds and to give everyone a shot. I've also had some *Great* experiences running with some other guilds (Rox and IFV both this evening were great Shroud runs). I know it's not everyone on the server that feels this way so I just wanted to "get in the heads" of those that did to try to understand it. I'm used to it with Prayst since he's still viewed as a "gimp build" by a lot of people (I love him to death though), just caught me off guard to get an even worse reaction with a "pure bred" character.

[roggane]

Rogues are uber, if you say that, you haven't played with my rogue guildies.

uber!

don't sweat the ranger hate, just show them everytime you do get in a grp what they're missing. :)

[Borror0]

I've also had some *Great* experiences running with some other guilds (Rox and IFV both this evening were great Shroud runs).

I'd have been surprised that we'd be in the "no ranger" guilds as we usually do the Shroud with, idealy, :


A bard
Three clerics
Four DPS/tank
Two casters
The rest split between casters and ranged types

So, a good ranger is usually more than welcomed. Surprised there is still rangerphobia, thought that was gone... sad to hear that jj.

[Humperdink]

I think lostinjapan has it right. While it's unfair that some people have these existing prejudices, take a moment to educate them by sharing a small amount of character details as you've done here. I have a dwarven ranger who dual wields dwarven axes. I've sent tells to party leaders before who don't have a ranger in the LFM. Something like "dwarven melee focus ranger. 32Str, 385HP, dual wield dwarven axes". Or perhaps you know something about the quest they are running and can define your role for them. For example if it's a shroud raid: "I know how to solve the puzzles in part 3 and I can two-man some of the bosses in part 2." Some people use the term tank differently. They may just mean "enough beef to last several fights and/or heal cycles while putting out decent DPS". I've used both methods to get my ranger into groups that weren't looking for them.

[petegunn]

And theres me thinking about rolling a ranger as my next alt .
well here goes nothing , i'm gonna bang it out anyway , only around 150 fav to unlock 32 pointer's .

[JFeenstra]

You haven't read my caster's bio then:

Note that Barkskin is a waste on a 10 AC, don't cast it on me unless you feel better looking at me all in brown.

i always make comments about how i should tank when i see elantras ac over 20 due to buffs...her base is 11, 15 with the blue scale robe on

'so guys, im tanking the reaver, right?'
*laughs from the party*
'well why is my ac 28 then?'

as for rangers, my favourite shroud party is still 6 rangers, 2 clerics, 2 casters, 1 fighter/barb and a bard

[lostinjapan]

i always make comments about how i should tank when i see elantras ac over 20 due to buffs...her base is 11, 15 with the blue scale robe on

'so guys, im tanking the reaver, right?'
*laughs from the party*
'well why is my ac 28 then?'

My ranger has so many spell points to waste I can fully buff her and just run down the list of everyone in party with bs and fom. I don't bother asking or choosing who would benefit and who wouldn't...just F1, F2, F3, etc.

[Shyver]

I've seen a level 16 ranger with 136 HP!:eek:

Heh heh. Shyv's starting con was 6 +6 item +2 tome = 14 total. After GFL, toughness, ect. I sit at 238. So there is no excuse not to have Hp close to 200 at least.


There are some GREAT Rangers on this server

Murnk from Attacks the Darkness is a beast and a half!!



I wouldn't make a ranger my only melee in a challenging quest though.

If build right Rangers can easily be the main and or only tank in a party. We often run with Murnk as the only tank or on occasion I'll even run Shyv as the main tank, and I wear a robe!! :eek:


Note that Barkskin is a waste on a 10 AC, don't cast it on me unless you feel better looking at me all in brown.

Quoted for freakin truth. Unless that bark is going to push your AC into the mid to high 40's + on end game quests you're not getting one. So don't ask. :D


The strength of a ranger is found in their balance of bow and melee attacks.

I don't think that the strength is in the balanced build of the two lines. But more that the strength is knowing when to back off and use the bow even though you're a melee build.


I was getting extremely frustrated trying to get into a shroud group this evening after getting rejected from 4 different groups because they didn't see a use for rangers and none of them would give me any reason as to why

I honestly feel your pain. This still happens on occasion to me as well. Shyv~13 ranger/2 fighter/1 wizard.:eek:

Usualy goes something like:

We already have 1 ranger. So, take another. :D

I don't want any squishies. My AC is 50 while dual weilding and I have 20 min. of displacement. Who's squishy?

I don't like archers. Pretty sure these are swords in my hands. But I could be wrong.


I'd have been surprised that we'd be in the "no ranger" guilds as we usually do the Shroud with, idealy, :


A bard
Three clerics
Four DPS/tank
Two casters
The rest split between casters and ranged types

So, a good ranger is usually more than welcomed. Surprised there is still rangerphobia, thought that was gone... sad to hear that jj.

My favorite shroud build.

1 Bard
3 Clerics
3 DPS Warriors
2 Casters
3 Ranged DPS Characters (ranger/rogue/bard, ect)

Makes it easy to put one cleric on each DPS build while the rest take care of themselves. Saves on the clerics resources not having to mass heal but instead each one only using the heal spell on their specific target. Meanwhile the casters hit targets with fire prot and stoneskin. Everyone else ranged DPS.

Rangers can be the best class and they can be the worst class. It all depends on the player behind the keys on this class. Granted that goes for all the class's but I think it holds particularly true of rangers.

As for me. Well Shyv has become more of an "thing" than an actual ranger. Wonder if I can get a different icon for that. :D

[Raelg14]

A lot of good points, thank you all for taking the time to answer me.

I was getting extremely frustrated trying to get into a shroud group this evening after getting rejected from 4 different groups because they didn't see a use for rangers and none of them would give me any reason as to why -- the closest I got was "I don't like them, if you want rangers in the Shroud raid start your own party" (paraphrased, but fairly close to the exact words).

My ranger is my first melee character I've ever really built up to be decent. I can put on a shield and get my AC to 51, but I'm also a tempest build with a +37 to hit (before favored bonuses) while dual wielding. He's strength based and when I put on ram's might, my strength is sitting at 32. That on top of the favored enemy enhancements and I can put out some really nice numbers. I have 380 sp (I know not that much, but I don't have a wisdom item currently) and 352 hp. All around I feel that Palosin is a decent build and I'd like to think I'm a good player. It just gets under my skin when people won't even allow me the opportunity to prove it one way or the other.

My guild is really good about being open to all builds and to give everyone a shot. I've also had some *Great* experiences running with some other guilds (Rox and IFV both this evening were great Shroud runs). I know it's not everyone on the server that feels this way so I just wanted to "get in the heads" of those that did to try to understand it. I'm used to it with Prayst since he's still viewed as a "gimp build" by a lot of people (I love him to death though), just caught me off guard to get an even worse reaction with a "pure bred" character.

Well Palosin will always be welcome on our Shroud runs, if nothing else you will understand "Barkskin in the middle' :) Oh and I see you finally leveled Palosin.

[Ministry]

The fact that rangers are good melee characters and can bring a lot to the table with DPS, buffs and healing (especially in the Shroud raid).

I just don't get the logic behind excluding rangers from a LFM for the raid when you are accepting paladins, fighters and barbarians. Could someone who does this type of thing explain to me why you do it?

And yes, I know everyone has a right to only accept what they want into their groups -- I just am curious as to why they would limit it that way.

This has been a thorn in my side for as long as I've played this game. I made my Drow Ranger (Hybrid) as soon as I opened Drow back about 1.5 years ago. Back on Xoriat it wasn't so terribly difficult to get him onto teams because there were:

1 - A lot of smart players that knew what a Ranger could do
2 - I had a fair amount of friends there, that knew it's not the toon, it's the player
3 - A lot of smart players that knew what a GOOD Ranger could do

It comes down to 2 major factors... similar to why many groups (not me) will wait forever for a cleric or not take Bards:

1 - (as lostinjapan stated) People have been witness to either a higher propensity of poorly built and played Rangers who have few hps and can't melee or much else (easy to make a bad Ranger) and...
2 - Too many not so confident / not so great players that fear anything outside of a party consisiting of the prototypical team of 2 Tanks, 2 Arcanes, 1 Cleric and a Rogue.

There are other factors, but those I find are the most common.

My best toon by far is my Ranger.. hands down, no question; and if you look at Ren's Ranger, Keedo, Eriik, Dellek, Rosaceae, and so many more, you will soon see that some of the best players I have seen will make you so envious of their Ranger, you will stop playing everything else you are playing and make a Ranger so fast you won't even realize what you have done.

Either do as those posting above me have stated, and create your own teams, be patient, etc. etc.

If you are one of the GOOD Rangers, people will learn and start inviting / accepting you, and if you are not, you will also know... haha

The other night we were on a Shroud run and something flukey happened and we lost all of our tanks on part 4, leaving us with 2 Rangers, a Cleric and a Sorc and we finished that big monkey off with little challenge. I was using a Transmuting Bow of Evil Outsider bane and with Many Shot... OMG... I have never seen a Tank do the damage a Ranger can do in that situation, coupled with Greater 2 Weapon fighting with 2 Greater Evil Outsider bane melee weapons when required (I didn't even have to that time).

Add to it the self buffing, healing, evasion, etc.. etc.. and... well, you get it.

Be patient, make more friends to team with and in the end, you will prolly still not get accepted sometimes.

Ultimately I remember the advice a good friend gave me a long time ago... "Some will, Some won't, So what!"

;)

[Huebacca]

"Some will, Some won't, So what!";)
Thats basically what it boils down to.

[Pittminion]

I know I'm having a blast with my mostly ranger, Pigtails. If a group doesn't want me, meh, I'll go dps someplace else. Tempest I is a very very powerful enhancement. I can't wait till L12 and evasion. L14 and greater two weapon fighting. Granted I'm a couple levels behind a pure ranger, but I have divine grace, fear and disease immunity built in. I've never had rangerphobia. I've dealt with some great ones, and some squelch ones.

[incubo]

That is why I never allow Palosin into my parties :P dwarf ranger... oh dang it, he did make it into my party:D :cool::cool:

I don't know what the problem or misconception about rangers is... they are one of the most versatile classes specializing in high amounts of DPS, they get evasion, spells that buff the party, can kite stuff around while the rest of the party recouperates. If I remember it right, a ranger was the first to solo the Demon Queen raid... named Nessa and a good friend of mine in this game and I'm glad to have him back, but as GreatNessa

[Pittminion]

I don't know what the problem or misconception about rangers is... they are one of the most versatile classes ...
It's because the more versatile a class is, the easier it is to screw it up. Jack of all trades, master of none.

[narizue]

Ranger hate is what it is. Usually the product of bad experiences with bad players who happened to be a ranger.

Rangers are not easy to play or to build well. IMO they are one of the most challenging classes to build, and one of the most challenging classes to properly equip. Personally my ranger took 3 rerolls before I had a build that I was truly happy with.

A well built and well playerd ranger adds tremendously to a party. Of course a well built and well played (insert random class here) adds tremendously to a party. ;)

[AkromaAoW]

Just wanted to drop by and say hi!

[Ringos]

Just wanted to drop by and say hi!

Troll!

:)

[Murgatroyd]

I think it's just a phase.

Early on in Thelanis' early days, bards were hard pressed to find a group (when 12 was the cap). Forget that the bard songs were still useful even though they were only 4 minutes. Once the cap raised and they got GH and extended songs, there was no longer such a thing as bard hate.

Now it's what rangers are going through. I'm personally on my 3rd ranger because I just couldn't seem to get the build right. Now that I'm satisfied, i'm finding it difficult to find a pug. A TWF build is a godsend. Dual wield paralyzers/disruptors/vorpals/banishers/wounders and you get a good mix of control and dps. I think it's all in the play style. Rangers can be squishie, but a smart ranger will know when to pull off and turtle up.

I guess people are just sick of chasing after mobs from those ranged kiting types.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Because people are stupid! Period.

because everyone knows there is only one way to play this game.

Buff, Buff, buff, Swing, Swing swing, heal, heal, heal. Add Firewall, firewall, firewall. And the only non-buff spells a Sorc should have are FW, FOD, and that disco ball.....which is the only form of CC accepted.

Solution to bigger badder bosses......throw a bigger Barbarian at him.
Solution to tough mobs......throw more FW at them.

Any other tactic is taboo and will not be listened to.

Most of the community is a melee focues crowd......they play Brbs, Ftrs and Pals......and think of themselves as DPS, even when they are not.

DPS rangers exist, but none of their friends play one, so they don't understand them.
All they remember is the guy in the harbor making them chase after kobolds cause they didn't put points into Intimidate.

It's amazing how so many of the self-proclaimed Uber elite, have never really left the harbor, or the same tactics they used to succeed there.

(BTW, Did you know Rangers can range? And it's actually a good tactic to do so? And every class can range too! Bet ya didn't know that!.......my healing specced cleric prefers to kill the rednamed beholder at the end of Von3 before raising the rest of the party!)

[Renegade66]

Archer's in general suck. Rangers don't even make the best Archers. I'd mix fighter/Rogue/Ranger with most fighter. Archers aren't even situational, they are mainly just a pain to play with. I had an archer build Manticore who always had the most kills in the group (because I can't handle it otherwise), but he did so by cheating . . . kinda. He carried a stack of 100 greater slaying arrows for every mob type in the game, then shoot through entire mobs instakilling most.

Anyway, archers suck, but TWF rangers are great.

Dex based TWF rangers are a bit situational. They can be monsterous killing machines with w/p, banishing & smiting rapiers. However their STR, DPS and HPs suffer making them not a great choice for beating down the Pit Fiend.

Str based TWF rangers are uber and if you don't believe me, run a few quests with my new Ranger Guilloteen (uh oh, bragging - my sincerest apologies to those who might be offended by such brash statements). Tempest Ranger and Ram's might are very cool, plus you can buff to around 60 AC without giving up DPS. He has nearly 400 HP and can reach 38 str. He misses out on the Barb crit range but attacks faster with Tempest Ranger. Dual wielding triple upgraded Acid Khopeshes and with favored enemy, my ranger probably does as much if not more DPS on the pit fiend than anyone else in Legion including my own Barbarian Jellybean and the other even higher DPS based Barbarians. He has the evasion to stand up to the DB Fireballs and is hardly squishy. He can also back out in the end and many shot him.

In short, allowing a ranger in your party is risky and hit or miss. Still today, I tend to avoid them, but have loosened up on it lately. If you're an archer you better be using slaying arrows or a paralyzer with improved precise shot, because you'll never group with me again if I have to chase down your monster that you're slowly plinking to death and kiting all over hell (**** you Ilundel). However, if you get a chance to group with a STR based TWF ranger then you won't be disappointed. They can be some of the toughest tanks in the game and I'd take one of those over a Fighter any day.

[Rayzorlew]

Str based TWF rangers are uber and if you don't believe me, run a few quests with my new Ranger Guilloteen (uh oh, bragging - my sincerest apologies to those who might be offended by such brash statements).

I just told on you, you dirty elitist, so I hope you and your oh so uber ranger burn in hell!


I was RP'ing how was I?
:D

[Clay]

I am just waiting for you to call it the Guilloteen/Munkollis build, like you did the Jellybean/Rayzor build...


just a matter of time, i figure

[Club'in]

I know I'm having a blast with my mostly ranger, Pigtails. If a group doesn't want me, meh, I'll go dps someplace else. Tempest I is a very very powerful enhancement. I can't wait till L12 and evasion. L14 and greater two weapon fighting. Granted I'm a couple levels behind a pure ranger, but I have divine grace, fear and disease immunity built in. I've never had rangerphobia. I've dealt with some great ones, and some squelch ones.

I just ran with Pigtails through Pit elite and BAM. He was kicking ass and taking names. Don't hesitate to let him join your group. I'm sure he'll vouch for Hemmi as well. We're both mutts (him with a little pally, me with quite a bit of fighter), but both consider ourselves rangers. I'm also gonna have to wait for level 14 to fully bloom (well, maybe 15, which is when I'll finally get Oversized TWF, but at 14 I'll be able to get Tempest).

[Rayzorlew]

I am just waiting for you to call it the Guilloteen/Munkollis build, like you did the Jellybean/Rayzor build...


just a matter of time, i figure

I just told on you for real and booted you from guild.....again!
You dirty japacanadian!

;)

[Pittminion]

I just ran with Pigtails through Pit elite and BAM. He was kicking ass and taking names. Don't hesitate to let him join your group. I'm sure he'll vouch for Hemmi as well. We're both mutts (him with a little pally, me with quite a bit of fighter), but both consider ourselves rangers. I'm also gonna have to wait for level 14 to fully bloom (well, maybe 15, which is when I'll finally get Oversized TWF, but at 14 I'll be able to get Tempest).

Tempest=fun. I've been trying to build my item list around using a Jay's collar for that extra 10% of super spicy whoopassness.

[Scarsgaard]

Ok...

One pet peeve on rangers...

STOP shooting a mob when the tank is holding aggro in the Reaver. You're breaking aggro and making the run messy. Lately to me it seems that there are more than a few really stupid people playing the ranger... did someone cancel LotRO w/o telling me first?:D

[Pittminion]

It's not just rangers doing that. A real ranger will be using w/p bows dinging the elementals in a reaver raid, not taking potshots at big ugly.

[Scarsgaard]

It's not just rangers doing that. A real ranger will be using w/p bows dinging the elementals in a reaver raid, not taking potshots at big ugly.

LOL...

Yeppers...

We have a few doozy puggers lately though... no? :)

[Renegade66]

Tempest=fun. I've been trying to build my item list around using a Jay's collar for that extra 10% of super spicy whoopassness.

FYI, the 10% attack boots from the collar does NOT stack with haste.

[Shyver]

It's not just rangers doing that. A real ranger will be using w/p bows dinging the elementals in a reaver raid, not taking potshots at big ugly.

BAH!! A "real" ranger will /sit and watch the show till it's time to collect the loot. :D

This is the caster/cleric/one fighter show. Let them enjoy their fun. :eek:

[Pittminion]

FYI, the 10% attack boots from the collar does NOT stack with haste.Oh I know, but sometimes I'm too cheap to suck down a pot after the casters have dumped their collective mana pools on FoD. (Yes I'm guilty of the same thing)

[Pittminion]

BAH!! A "real" ranger will /sit and watch the show till it's time to collect the loot. :D

This is the caster/cleric/one fighter show. Let them enjoy their fun. :eek:Heh, I love running reaver on my fighter. I /sit and wait till it's time to wade in with my giantbanes. (alignment issues prevent me from using really good weapons)

[Ministry]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... I'm not a "Real Ranger" because I have been the tank on Reaver Runs and have Tanked the Pit Fiend with my Ranger.

Hmmm....

Maybe I'm a "Power Ranger"?

Can I be the Blue Ranger...

Please, Please, Pretty Please.

:cool:

[Scarsgaard]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... I'm not a "Real Ranger" because I have been the tank on Reaver Runs and have Tanked the Pit Fiend with my Ranger.

Hmmm....

Maybe I'm a "Power Ranger"?

Can I be the Blue Ranger...

Please, Please, Pretty Please.

:cool:


Sorry man.. Blue Ranger is taken but I'm sure there is a spot on the Pink Team :P

[Ringos]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... I'm not a "Real Ranger" because I have been the tank on Reaver Runs and have Tanked the Pit Fiend with my Ranger.

Hmmm....

Maybe I'm a "Power Ranger"?

Can I be the Blue Ranger...

Please, Please, Pretty Please.

:cool:

I'm sure you are a Ranger...I just heard from Scars that it was a 'special' kind of Ranger!

:)

[Phalkhan]

This thread has actually gotten me to go read up on UI Skinning ( some of the new ones are kinda cool..BTW, and the Map bugs seem to be worked out :) , but We still have AH bugs ? :( what gives? )

You might ask "How/What does Ranger love/hate have to do with UI skinning? "

Answer.. Make all the 'class' tags be 'ranger' tags....

that way no matter what the LFM says ..it looks like ranger to you .... or maybe we could get those who have problems with a ranger running in group, to use it ........

Hmm I might just make this just for ***** N' giggles

prolly make all the race tags 'warforged' too :p

[Shyver]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... I'm not a "Real Ranger" because I have been the tank on Reaver Runs and have Tanked the Pit Fiend with my Ranger.

Hmmm....

Maybe I'm a "Power Ranger"?

Can I be the Blue Ranger...

Please, Please, Pretty Please.

:cool:

Hmmmdid anyone see this coming outa left field? :eek: With the panties in a wad I'm gonna guess pink Power Ranger all the way. Grats you've tanked the reaver and fiend on a ranger. A lot of us have, not a new trick by any means. The "real" ranger thing was a joke leading to the /sit in the reaver. Take a deep breath look for the :D and see it for what it was, a joke.

[Ministry]

Hmmmdid anyone see this coming outa left field? :eek: With the panties in a wad I'm gonna guess pink Power Ranger all the way. Grats you've tanked the reaver and fiend on a ranger. A lot of us have, not a new trick by any means. The "real" ranger thing was a joke leading to the /sit in the reaver. Take a deep breath look for the :D and see it for what it was, a joke.

Umm... jokes on you... or better still, is you.

I was having fun and laughing all along... now only at you.

See ya in game... soon.

[Shyver]

Umm... jokes on you... or maybe is you.

I was laughing all along... now only at you.

See ya in game.

Ya know, after I hit submit I thought "wow, that was kinda ****y". I blame the infected wisdom tooth that comes out on Saturday. I've been a bit nasty as of late. Time to take some meds, drink a beer, and kill some things. Stepping away from the forums before my foot gets deeper into the mouth. :eek:

/salute

[Phalkhan]

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm164/joedayley/rangersforever.jpg

:eek: :p ;) :) :D

[BlackPantha2]

Dex based TWF rangers are a bit situational. They can be monsterous killing machines with w/p, banishing & smiting rapiers. However their STR, DPS and HPs suffer making them not a great choice for beating down the Pit Fiend.


Str based TWF rangers are uber and if you don't believe me, run a few quests with my new Ranger Guilloteen (uh oh, bragging - my sincerest apologies to those who might be offended by such brash statements). Tempest Ranger and Ram's might are very cool, plus you can buff to around 60 AC without giving up DPS. He has nearly 400 HP and can reach 38 str. He misses out on the Barb crit range but attacks faster with Tempest Ranger. Dual wielding triple upgraded Acid Khopeshes and with favored enemy, my ranger probably does as much if not more DPS on the pit fiend than anyone else in Legion including my own Barbarian Jellybean and the other even higher DPS based Barbarians. He has the evasion to stand up to the DB Fireballs and is hardly squishy. He can also back out in the end and many shot him.



As you know, i've made a proverbial **** ton of rangers, strength based, dex based, halfling, warforged, and even dwarf. And I have to say the elf dex based variant is the best.


My dex based ranger can hit a 32 strength(only 3 damage behind your strength based ranger not including racial bonuses(which essential puts me 1 damage behind)) and reach crits of 100-114 with my +5 transmuting rapier, while having a 30+ reflex save, 338 hp(with one upgrade left on goggles and no con tome), 38 dex(alllll the time), a higher ac in my birthday suit and did I mention she looked good?