Favor for Devil Assault?

[Rallie]

I would expect this quest to give 'The Twelve' favor, but I'm told there is no favor. Is that correct, and if so, why?

[Dane_McArdy]

However, with the quest dissappearing in a few weeks, that means anyone that wasn't able to do it at the time, can't get that favor for it, and really, that's not fair.

[jwbarry]

However, with the quest dissappearing in a few weeks, that means anyone that wasn't able to do it at the time, can't get that favor for it, and really, that's not fair.


Ding ding ding, 2 points for Dane.

[dragnmoon]

Ding ding ding, 2 points for Dane.

Dane has enough points!

[Dane_McArdy]

Ding ding ding, 2 points for Dane.

A rrrrace!

I hoppa I win!

[MysticTheurge]

Ding ding ding, 2 points for Dane.

How many more til he gets kicked off the island. :D

[Rallie]

So long as it isn't REQUIRED to hit a certain favor level in the future, I don't think it's really 'unfair'. Say the Twelve favor reward after this is 200. If the max possible without this quest is 204, then everyone still has the same opportunity to get the 200, the only difference being that those who have this quest's favor could get it without doing one quest that the guy without devil assault had to do.

[dragnmoon]

How many more til he gets kicked off the island. :D

Depends how bad you want him off the island.... ;)

[dragons1ayer74]

Why are we throwing out a quest, even a relativley small one? We want more content not less and it was nice to see this new quest availble to lower level characters (even if it wasn't balance right for low levels).

[Dane_McArdy]

How many more til he gets kicked off the island. :D

These are good points!

[MysticTheurge]

These are good points!

Or so you'd like us to think. :p

[Vizzini]

Personally I'd love to see this quest give favor, I understand that it would be gone in a week or two but I think it would be a cool way to help people get, just a little bit close to that 200 favor for the twelve ;)

[query]

Are they going away in a few weeks?

Come on, just have periodic temp quests that do offer favor. It might even get new people to SIGN UP fopr the BONUS FAVOR!

But the ring of spell storing and trollish regeneration were bad ideas and are gone forever...oh wait!


If something doesn't work, remove it. If you can make it work, keep it or put it back.

I usually go DE-DE-DE, but I think I'll skip the duh and just say a no-brainer.

[Dane_McArdy]

Or so you'd like us to think. :p

No card for joo!

[Gratch]

Hey... I was told to be around during the anniversary celebration in order to get something special that no others would get. Given other peoples stole all my tasty hams. I also want my 2 points of anniversary bonus favor (on elite) that Dane just got.


A rrrrace!

I hoppa I win!

You rat.

[Dane_McArdy]

You rat.

Congrats! Well done. :D

Now just Push away, Mrs. Hitler!

[query]

Congrats! Well done. :D

Now just Push away, Mrs. Hitler!

NO CAKE FOR YOU!
[Ooh, can I be a cake Nazi...wait they actually may GIVE me that title...nevermind ;) ]

[Dane_McArdy]

NO CAKE FOR YOU!
[Ooh, can I be a cake Nazi...wait they actually may GIVE me that title...nevermind ;) ]

Gratch knew what I was quoting.

[Gratch]

Gratch knew what I was quoting.

Ut oh... must erase memory now.

My wife loves Rowan... and Mr. Cleese. Though Amy Smart... Mmm... Smart choice.

[Yaga_Nub]

I would love this quest to give "general" favor and that it begin the precedent of live events giving favor.

Telling me that favor isn't being given for this quest because everyone that EVER subscribes to the game won't have that chance is like telling me that because I was actually playing the game during beta or the first few days after go-live instead of posting on the forums I don't deserve a Founder title.

You rewarded those early posters now reward TODAY's paying subscribers and give us favor for this quest. Then plan on having 3 or 4 live events each year that give a "general" favor that helps for the overall 1750.

[query]

2 Points and next choice to Yaga.
(Oh, I hope he continues on the "Obvious to Us" category...)


I would love this quest to give "general" favor and that it begin the precedent of live events giving favor.

Telling me that favor isn't being given for this quest because everyone that EVER subscribes to the game won't have that chance is like telling me that because I was actually playing the game during beta or the first few days after go-live instead of posting on the forums I don't deserve a Founder title.

You rewarded those early posters now reward TODAY's paying subscribers and give us favor for this quest. Then plan on having 3 or 4 live events each year that give a "general" favor that helps for the overall 1750.

[Dane_McArdy]

I would love this quest to give "general" favor and that it begin the precedent of live events giving favor.

Telling me that favor isn't being given for this quest because everyone that EVER subscribes to the game won't have that chance is like telling me that because I was actually playing the game during beta or the first few days after go-live instead of posting on the forums I don't deserve a Founder title.

You rewarded those early posters now reward TODAY's paying subscribers and give us favor for this quest. Then plan on having 3 or 4 live events each year that give a "general" favor that helps for the overall 1750.

Honestly, let it go. So you don't have founder title, because you didn't follow the directions. It doesn't make you any less a member of the community.

Game play isn't effected by having a founder title. I'm sure any favore attached to a quest like this wouldn't.

But considering how upset you still are about not having a founding title, how do you think people are going to react when they learn they will always be 24 favor behind people that played during the Invasion?

Believe me, people will. After all, it's two years later, and people are still upset over the founder title.

[Dariuss]

i want my founders title too :(

at the time i really didn't think i'd ever bother posting on the forums... turns out i am here every day haha

ah well, it's no biggie

like favor for this quest... sure, it would be nice, getting up to 1750 is tough for alot of people and a bit of helpm ight make it a tiny bit easier, but complaining there was no extra bonus to the bonus quest revealed in the bonus event.... well... that's just silly

[Dane_McArdy]

i want my founders title too :(

at the time i really didn't think i'd ever bother posting on the forums... turns out i am here every day haha

ah well, it's no biggie

like favor for this quest... sure, it would be nice, getting up to 1750 is tough for alot of people and a bit of helpm ight make it a tiny bit easier, but complaining there was no extra bonus to the bonus quest revealed in the bonus event.... well... that's just silly

See. Why advocate another thing that will just create more Star Belly Sneetches Syndrom.

[Oreg]

See. Why advocate another thing that will just create more Star Belly Sneetches Syndrom.

Just read that to my daughter last night !

Professor McMonkey McBean wasn't it?

[MysticTheurge]

Just read that to my daughter last night !

I prefer the Butter Battle Book.

[Luthen]

Ding ding ding, 2 points for Dane.

How about favor for the Shroud? Maby I am just bugged but it's not showing any favor for completion still nor is it in the quest log.

P.S. Couldn't one of the benefits for having, and using, an active subscription during this time be a nice incentive to give some favor for this quest?

[Yaga_Nub]

Honestly, let it go. So you don't have founder title, because you didn't follow the directions. It doesn't make you any less a member of the community.

Game play isn't effected by having a founder title. I'm sure any favore attached to a quest like this wouldn't.

But considering how upset you still are about not having a founding title, how do you think people are going to react when they learn they will always be 24 favor behind people that played during the Invasion?

Believe me, people will. After all, it's two years later, and people are still upset over the founder title.

Well we're back to being completely obtuse are we Dane?

The point isn't that I want a founders title. You can't find any post on these forums that have ever said that. It's called an EXAMPLE (nor is it a lack of following directs, I was just enjoying actually playing the game, go figure).

Founders were rewarded with something that no one else will ever be able to get because of when they logged onto the forums. People are also getting a special pricing that no one else will be able to get after April 7th or something like that. So there is a precedent that has been set by Turbine to reward people who are in the game NOW something that someone 6 months from now will not ever be able to get.

EDIT: There are also special items that only founders have and/or were only available for special events as well.

[Dane_McArdy]

Well we're back to being completely obtuse are we Dane?

The point isn't that I want a founders title. You can't find any post on these forums that have ever said that. It's called an EXAMPLE (nor is it a lack of following directs, I was just enjoying actually playing the game, go figure).

Founders were rewarded with something that no one else will ever be able to get because of when they logged onto the forums. People are also getting a special pricing that no one else will be able to get after April 7th or something like that. So there is a precedent that has been set by Turbine to reward people who are in the game NOW something that someone 6 months from now will not ever be able to get.

EDIT: There are also special items that only founders have and/or were only available for special events as well.

I'm not being obtuse. Every time you disagree with someone, you have to get insulting.

Your wording on your post makes it sound like you do have an issue with founder status. It's not clear that you are using that as an example. NOW that you have explained...

Your example doesn't support a reason to give favor for a limited time quest. All it does show is that when they have given rewards that can only be gotten for a set amount of time, causes discord in those that have and those that don't. As exampled in Dariuss post after mine.

So giving favor will just add another, I have/I don't have complaint about the game.

Mistakes should not be encouraged to be repeated because "Well you did it in the past" logic to support a point of view. Because then all you do is keep making the same mistakes, to make who ever is upset at the time happy.

[Tanka]

ring of spell storing
Still drops, man. They added it back after making the Exclusive tag.

[Yaga_Nub]

I'm not being obtuse. Every time you disagree with someone, you have to get insulting.

Your wording on your post makes it sound like you do have an issue with founder status. It's not clear that you are using that as an example. NOW that you have explained...

Your example doesn't support a reason to give favor for a limited time quest. All it does show is that when they have given rewards that can only be gotten for a set amount of time, causes discord in those that have and those that don't. As exampled in Dariuss post after mine.

So giving favor will just add another, I have/I don't have complaint about the game.

Mistakes should not be encouraged to be repeated because "Well you did it in the past" logic to support a point of view. Because then all you do is keep making the same mistakes, to make who ever is upset at the time happy.

Or every time certain people post you read more into it than necessary. Maybe that's more the issue. There was nothing insulting in my first post. And there is nothing wrong about rewarding people for different events. Each person has to decide whether it's a motivator or a something that "degrades" them in a certain way.

I worked at a company that for each major milestone they gave out a pin that hung on a banner outsider your office, cube, etc. After 3 years some people had many pins because it was a start up company and there were many "firsts." One day, a person that had recently been hired complained to the HR director and she told the CEO that all banners and pins needed to be taken down (she also had started later in the life of the company). When the CEO sent out an email that told everyone to take their banners down, many newer employees emailed him and told him how much they looked forward to getting their pins and how they made goals of getting them. The CEO reversed himself and the stayed up at least until I left but I don't know what happened after that.

The point is they can be good or bad but it's up to the individual to decide which it is.

The devs had decided that there is no favor and I'm okay with that. I'm just voicing a difference of opinion. And I thought I did it in a non-insulting way. I apologize to any that were insulted by my harsh objection to the devs decisions.

[Vinos]

However, with the quest dissappearing in a few weeks, that means anyone that wasn't able to do it at the time, can't get that favor for it, and really, that's not fair.

I don't know if I buy that. Founders got some special items that others didn't get. Is that fair? Founders were there so they got it. See no reason we can't get a little favor for it maybe 2/4/6 for n/h/e or even 4 favor period regardless of diff level. Hardly game breaking but a little momento that says we were there. If not that than a little "you stopped the devils" little item like a distinctive helm or something.

[Vinos]

See. Why advocate another thing that will just create more Star Belly Sneetches Syndrom.


Props for the Dr Suess reference though.

[Solmage]

Ding ding ding, 2 points for Dane.

I still have favor on my old caster for miller's debt, etc all on elite, so that means I have favor other, newer players no longer have.

Provided the favor isn't unique (ie it's very own category) but simply adds to say the 12 favor, and doesn't earn you a special reward, but simply makes it easier to reach existing rewards, I fail to see the real problem.

(Yes, it can be argued that this will create discord, blah blah. With this playerbase EVERYTHING you EVER do will create discord. INCLUDING not doing anything. So, might as well do something, and reward the people who did want to come and take part in the 2nd anniversary celebrations with a little extra something)

[Kerrn_Siff]

Ding ding ding, 2 points for Dane.

why is this fair? We did it, we were here, we should get favor. Why is it fair founders get stuff when poeple who joined a month or so shy don't?

something doesn't track imo.

[Riddikulus]

"City of Heroes" has a badge system where special events award certain badges... you miss an event you can't get the badge, in some cases forever. It really drives the completionists nuts.


As an aside, there was a huge uproar on their forums because there was one badge, called "Isolator" which was added when the badge system was created a couple modules in, but it required you to kill 100 mobs in the tutorial quest. So any character created after the badge module went live could get that badge, but any character created before could not because there was no way to go back to the tutorial (ala Euphoria's challenge).

To pacify the completionists the devs have a single mob from the tutorial zone spawn once every couple hours in the middle of the end-game PvP zone. I don't think Turbine's devs could even imagine anything that evil.

[Vinos]

"City of Heroes" has a badge system where special events award certain badges... you miss an event you can't get the badge, in some cases forever. It really drives the completionists nuts.


As an aside, there was a huge uproar on their forums because there was one badge, called "Isolator" which was added when the badge system was created a couple modules in, but it required you to kill 100 mobs in the tutorial quest. So any character created after the badge module went live could get that badge, but any character created before could not because there was no way to go back to the tutorial (ala Euphoria's challenge).

To pacify the completionists the devs have a single mob from the tutorial zone spawn once every couple hours in the middle of the end-game PvP zone. I don't think Turbine's devs could even imagine anything that evil.

I remember that. I was such a badge *****.

[Yaga_Nub]

I would love this quest to give "general" favor and that it begin the precedent of live events giving favor.

Telling me that favor isn't being given for this quest because everyone that EVER subscribes to the game won't have that chance is like telling me that because I was actually playing the game during beta or the first few days after go-live instead of posting on the forums I don't deserve a Founder title.

You rewarded those early posters now reward TODAY's paying subscribers and give us favor for this quest. Then plan on having 3 or 4 live events each year that give a "general" favor that helps for the overall 1750.


I remember that. I was such a badge *****.

Sorry I have to derail the thread for a second. Why is wh*re a forbidden word?

[Riddikulus]

Sorry I have to derail the thread for a second.
Rule #2. Actually you broke rule #2 with a deliberate circumvention of the language filter.

Not that I care... Turbine needs to make the rules reflect the reality that our teens use much harsher language than we do ourselves, so the language rules are really a joke for a Teen rated game.

[MysticTheurge]

Rule #2. Actually you broke rule #2 with a deliberate circumvention of the language filter.

And you violated Guideline #13. ;)

[Riddikulus]

And you violated Guideline #13. ;)
Doh! Fixed. :o

[Dane_McArdy]

Not having a founder title bothers people, because it was limited to a certain time frame and registering during a certain time.

People don't like that some people have special items in the game, that were tied to being a founder.

It's all worded as unfair.

So now we want to introduce another point for people to say it was unfair that anyone who played at such and such time got Favpr for a quest that was taken out after a few weeks?

And you call this fair, because it's been done in the past. Just because it's been done in the past isn't an excuse on why you should keep making the same mistakes.

[Yaga_Nub]

And you call this fair, because it's been done in the past. Just because it's been done in the past isn't an excuse on why you should keep making the same mistakes.

Dane, it wasn't a mistake. TO SOME PEOPLE. To others it was.

Either way it's not a mistake. It was a choice and not everyone will agree with the choice made no matter what it is.

As I said before, for my part, I just would like the devs to know that I do agree with giving special titles, favor, items, etc. I, me, Yaga, think that it adds a little something to the game. I also think that people will keep pushing the devs to do special events, in part, to get these little treasures. I think it gives us something to strive for besides just leveling and loot.

I do understand that some people are/will be mad about the founder's title, or maybe special favor, or maybe things like the titan wand that were only given out during a special event. Unfortunately, there will always be those people that complain because others have what they want.

Do we want to give in to those people and be on the negative side of this issue or be on the positive side?

[Dane_McArdy]

Dane, it wasn't a mistake. TO SOME PEOPLE. To others it was.

Either way it's not a mistake. It was a choice and not everyone will agree with the choice made no matter what it is.

As I said before, for my part, I just would like the devs to know that I do agree with giving special titles, favor, items, etc. I, me, Yaga, think that it adds a little something to the game. I also think that people will keep pushing the devs to do special events, in part, to get these little treasures. I think it gives us something to strive for besides just leveling and loot.

I do understand that some people are/will be mad about the founder's title, or maybe special favor, or maybe things like the titan wand that were only given out during a special event. Unfortunately, there will always be those people that complain because others have what they want.

Do we want to give in to those people and be on the negative side of this issue or be on the positive side?

It doesn't matter if I see it as a mistake or not, and the same for everyone else. It matters if Turbine is getting a lot of complaints about it. If they are, then it makes sense that the remedy for players coming to them and saying, "This is unfair" is to not introduce anymore cases where that can happen.

They have to think about the player base as a whole. And that often involves making choice not to give special one time offers to players currently in the game, if it's going to lead to players being upset.

It's not about you or me, it's about the player base, as a whole, and the perception. It's a shame we can't have things like this, because it is fun.

Right after one of my posts, Dariuss comes and says it's still a sore point for him, 2 YEARS later. Players never forget if they feel they have been cheated.

I bet in 6-9 months, we will see people asking if they could rerun the invasion live event, because it sounded fun, and they weren't playing DDO when it happened.

[Yaga_Nub]

It doesn't matter if I see it as a mistake or not, and the same for everyone else. It matters if Turbine is getting a lot of complaints about it. If they are, then it makes sense that the remedy for players coming to them and saying, "This is unfair" is to not introduce anymore cases where that can happen.

They have to think about the player base as a whole. And that often involves making choice not to give special one time offers to players currently in the game, if it's going to lead to players being upset.

It's not about you or me, it's about the player base, as a whole, and the perception. It's a shame we can't have things like this, because it is fun.

Right after one of my posts, Dariuss comes and says it's still a sore point for him, 2 YEARS later. Players never forget if they feel they have been cheated.

I bet in 6-9 months, we will see people asking if they could rerun the invasion live event, because it sounded fun, and they weren't playing DDO when it happened.

I agree with all of that but what if more people are complaining about not getting favor FOR THIS ONE SINGLE QUEST than are complaining about getting favor FOR THIS ONE SINGLE QUEST. Shouldn't you go with the majority if you are thinking of the player base as a whole?

[Aspenor]

Considering having a founders title is nothing more than some letters on a screen and bits on a hard disk, and favor in-game actually offers rewards, I'm going to have to go with Dane on this one.

If the majority of the player-base wanted free +5 tomes, would that be best for the game?

[Yaga_Nub]

Considering having a founders title is nothing more than some letters on a screen and bits on a hard disk, and favor in-game actually offers rewards, I'm going to have to go with Dane on this one.

If the majority of the player-base wanted free +5 tomes, would that be best for the game?

We aren't talking about +5 free tomes. Start that discussion somewhere else.

We are talking about favor which could help everyone (that is a current customer) get to 400 or 1750 a little faster.

If I was going to add to the discussion I would suggest that this quest remain in the game permanently but that discussion is in another thread.

[Aspenor]

We aren't talking about +5 free tomes. Start that discussion somewhere else.

We are talking about favor which could help everyone (that is a current customer) get to 400 or 1750 a little faster.

If I was going to add to the discussion I would suggest that this quest remain in the game permanently but that discussion is in another thread.

No, but you were talking about "if most players want it then it's best for the game" and I think we can both agree that most players would LOVE free +5 tomes, so by your logic that makes them best for the game.

While I wouldn't complain about getting favor for completing that quest on elite, I certainly don't think I deserve anything for it.

I would also think that, in general, it would be bad for Turbine to reward us and not leave the quest live, permanently. As you said, that's a discussion in another thread.

But since the plan is to remove the quest, I really don't think favor should be offered. We have enough of an imbalanced playing field as-is (haves and have nots, like me: have and Yaga: has not :p ).

[Yaga_Nub]

No, but you were talking about "if most players want it then it's best for the game" and I think we can both agree that most players would LOVE free +5 tomes, so by your logic that makes them best for the game.

While I wouldn't complain about getting favor for completing that quest on elite, I certainly don't think I deserve anything for it.

I would also think that, in general, it would be bad for Turbine to reward us and not leave the quest live, permanently. As you said, that's a discussion in another thread.

But since the plan is to remove the quest, I really don't think favor should be offered. We have enough of an imbalanced playing field as-is (haves and have nots, like me: have and Yaga: has not :p ).

There fixed it. Are you happy now? Just for that last comment I'm repairing your armor at that 3-fingered guy in the harbor every time it takes damage. :p

[Aspenor]

There fixed it. Are you happy now? Just for that last comment I'm repairing your armor at that 3-fingered guy in the harbor every time it takes damage. :p

That's fine. There's no difference between Thad and anybody else, anyway.

And I know Vorpaal doesn't have 400 free agent so..../shrug

[Dane_McArdy]

The quest is tied to the live event. Leaving it in the game will eventually mean that it becomes disjointed. It doesn't work as a one off quest, because it's part of a story. Also the difficulty levels don't match the standard in how things are set up, and will confuse players coming to the game that don't have the knowledge of why it's like that.

They are trying to make live events more like actual adventures, with real time occurances. This is part of the live event, and in some ways, the reward. 4 chests that you can get right off the market, with just having to fight off waves.

So the quest shouldn't stay, in it's current form because after a while it won't make sense, and won't fit in with the way quests are set up.

Alot of it comes down to percpetion. The perception will be that some players got more then others, even though we all pay the same.

[MysticTheurge]

If the majority of the player-base wanted free +5 tomes, would that be best for the game?

What do you mean "if"?

[Dane_McArdy]

What do you mean "if"?

HA HA HA~!

[Vinos]

Not having a founder title bothers people, because it was limited to a certain time frame and registering during a certain time.

People don't like that some people have special items in the game, that were tied to being a founder.

It's all worded as unfair.

So now we want to introduce another point for people to say it was unfair that anyone who played at such and such time got Favpr for a quest that was taken out after a few weeks?

And you call this fair, because it's been done in the past. Just because it's been done in the past isn't an excuse on why you should keep making the same mistakes.

This discussion is really moot since I doubt the devs will say "ok let's add some favor" but I don't think that founder goodies are a mistake like I don't think getting something unique to this event is a mistake. A mistake is the whisperdoom quest when it 1st came out.

[Dariuss]

Right after one of my posts, Dariuss comes and says it's still a sore point for him, 2 YEARS later. Players never forget if they feel they have been cheated.



i gotta point that i don't feel cheated, i knew what was up at the time, just was saying i would like a founders title....

my main point is that i think people should learn to appreciate what they have and stop asking for more and more on top ofthe free stuff they already got

[Yaga_Nub]

i gotta point that i don't feel cheated, i knew what was up at the time, just was saying i would like a founders title....

my main point is that i think people should learn to appreciate what they have and stop asking for more and more on top ofthe free stuff they already got

What about asking for more and more free stuff BESIDE the stuff we already have.

I agree that piling it up will eventually cause a hazard but side by side should be okay.

[Kerrn_Siff]

This discussion is really moot since I doubt the devs will say "ok let's add some favor" but I don't think that founder goodies are a mistake like I don't think getting something unique to this event is a mistake. A mistake is the whisperdoom quest when it 1st came out.

much better said then my post, but exactly what I meant :)

[Dane_McArdy]

i gotta point that i don't feel cheated, i knew what was up at the time, just was saying i would like a founders title....

my main point is that i think people should learn to appreciate what they have and stop asking for more and more on top ofthe free stuff they already got

But you still brought it up. It still is an issue with you. You would like a founder title, even though you acknowledge that it's your fault. Two years later.

[Yaga_Nub]

But you still brought it up. It still is an issue with you. You would like a founder title, even though you acknowledge that it's your fault. Two years later.

He brought it up after it had already be mentioned. Anyone would say something if it's already been mentioned. He didn't make a new thread about it or campaign for it (that I can remember like others have done).

I was talking to a couple of buddies from high school the other day and we were talking about a district championship football game and one of them said he wished he would have been able to play in the game. Trust me, this guy hasn't thought about that every single day of his life since then but we all get together and bring up high school sports it seems like he should be able to voice that wish without us telling him to quit living in the past or telling him it was his fault for breaking his arm making a tackle.

In all fairness, since I'm trying to be nicer on the forums, it's not fair to tell him it's his fault. It seems like he understands why he doesn't have his founders title from what I can tell by his post.

[Riddikulus]

But you still brought it up. It still is an issue with you. You would like a founder title, even though you acknowledge that it's your fault. Two years later.
I'd like a founders title too. Never mind that I came 2 months too late. :)

If they want to give out small bits of favor for people who attend an event why not?

As long as it doesn't become the single determining factor in receiving a large reward I have no issue with it (e.g. you must have completed every single special event favor quest in order to receive the +5 tome reward, or if not completing it would leave you just short of attaining the next rank of "the 12" favor even if you did everything else).

D&D is all about the ability to customize and player choices. This is no different.

[Yaga_Nub]

I'd like a founders title too. Never mind that I came 2 months too late. :)

How about an early adopters title? :)

[Dane_McArdy]

He brought it up after it had already be mentioned. Anyone would say something if it's already been mentioned. He didn't make a new thread about it or campaign for it (that I can remember like others have done).

I was talking to a couple of buddies from high school the other day and we were talking about a district championship football game and one of them said he wished he would have been able to play in the game. Trust me, this guy hasn't thought about that every single day of his life since then but we all get together and bring up high school sports it seems like he should be able to voice that wish without us telling him to quit living in the past or telling him it was his fault for breaking his arm making a tackle.

In all fairness, since I'm trying to be nicer on the forums, it's not fair to tell him it's his fault. It seems like he understands why he doesn't have his founders title from what I can tell by his post.

Yaga, he brought it up that he wants his founder title. It doesn't matter how it came up. He still expressed his desire to have one.

That is my whole point.

I didn't tell him it was his fault. I said he acknowledged that it was his fault he doesn't have one.

I also didn't say that he is pinning every day. So adding that serves what purpose? That doesn't change the fact that two years later, Dariuss still wants founder title, even though he knows why he doesn't have one.

If you are going to call people obtuse, don't open yourself to the same critizism.

[Dariuss]

But you still brought it up. It still is an issue with you. You would like a founder title, even though you acknowledge that it's your fault. Two years later.

i'm just trying to agree with you dane :)

[Dane_McArdy]

i'm just trying to agree with you dane :)

I know. I'm using you as an example.

It's two years later. You are reasonable about it. Others, are not so reasonable about it. If a reasonable person will still mention it two years after the fact, what are unreasonable people going to be like?

Ugh, I have editor mistakes I need to fix...

later.

[Yaga_Nub]

That doesn't change the fact that two years later, Dariuss still wants founder title

Here's the difference between what I am saying and what you are saying Dane.

I think it's OK that he still wants his founder title. I also think it would be OK that others would want special titles/favor/items/etc. that they can't have.

You think it's a bad thing that he still wants his founder title. You think it would be BAD for others to want special titles/favor/items/etc. that they can't have.

As I said before, a dev has spoken on this so it's not really an issue. I just want to say that for my part, I think favor should be given for this quest even though some people might complain about it later. It's better to do more than less.

Love,

Yaga

PS Let's just agree to disagree on the subject. There's nothing wrong with a little disagreement.

EDIT: I just thought about this. Maybe we could have T put this up as the April question. Then we could get a little bit of feedback from the community regarding this topic.

[Darth_Sizzle]

Um, Dariuss has a Founder Title....

dunno if this was just recently changed?

[Dariuss]

Um, Dariuss has a Founder Title....

dunno if this was just recently changed?

woot! :)

[Dane_McArdy]

woot! :)

Then quit complaining! Look at all the trouble you caused when you had what you wanted!

And for the record, I'm glad that Turbine relaxed on this.

[Yaga_Nub]

Um, Dariuss has a Founder Title....

dunno if this was just recently changed?


woot! :)

Very nice!

[Dariuss]

thanks forum gods!

/does happy dwarf dance

[MysticTheurge]

Hey! Where's my Founder title!?!?

[Yaga_Nub]

Hey! Where's my Founder title!?!?

You have a title!

In fact you have one from a contest that probably won't ever be held again so no one besides the winners will ever be able to get it. :)