I Need Build Advice

[Staffman]

I have drow unlocked, but do NOT have 32 build favor yet. I am leaning towards a TWF ranger/rogue (and possibly paladin) multi-class character. I am torn on which way to go. I need advice that will not only help me from having to make yet another character down the road, but also one that is useful in end game raids, etc.

Can I get a good Dex build and a good str build (including weapons and armor)? Thank you.

[Suavedevil]

I'm rather new to the game myself and am in the same boat as you, I've been messing with the planner for a bit and this was my idea for a ranger - pally - rogue combo. It doesnt include any gear or tome info, so stats are totally unmodified, hope it helps some. I designed it to be a longbow/ dual rapier setup.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.85
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 16 Lawful Good Drow Male
(3 Paladin \ 1 Rogue \ 12 Ranger)
Hit Points: 168
Spell Points: 82
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 19
Will: 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 16)
Strength 16 20
Dexterity 16 21
Constitution 12 12
Intelligence 14 14
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 12 12

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 16)
Balance 7 9
Bluff 1 1
Concentration 1 1
Diplomacy 1 1
Disable Device 6 22
Haggle 5 5
Heal -1 -1
Hide 3 5
Intimidate 1 1
Jump 7 9
Listen -1 1
Move Silently 3 5
Open Lock 7 25
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 2 2
Search 6 22
Spot 3 19
Swim 7 9
Tumble 7 9
Use Magic Device 5 11.5

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Ranged Damage I

Level 2 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I

Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I

Level 5 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Ranger Spot I

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Paladin Saves Boost I

Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II

Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I

Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Drow Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance III

Level 10 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I

Level 11 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I

Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

Level 13 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Drow Ranged Attack II

Level 14 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II

Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II

Level 16 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III




I if did this correct and you put skills into DD,OL,Spot,Search and UMD as 5th choice you should be a pretty effective trapmonkey on top of the moderate dps. I started this setup yesterday and am already about to ding lvl 4 and so far its been a smooth ride. Hope it helps.

[Staffman]

I was wondering if a drow is better than a 28 dwarf? Also, how bad is the 8 wisdom thing (for that many levels of ragner).

[Suavedevil]

Well dwarf has a few real nice str builds posted around the forums, i took a drow for the extra stats elsewhere. Since im doing a mostly dps ranger the low wis for spells hopefully wont hinder me too much, ill be searching for the largest wis bonus gear I can find as I go to try to compensate some.

[Xithos]

Here is a rough template for a guy that should give you a few ideas if you decide to go with a Dwarven version of what you are describing. It is pretty dated but it might get your wheels turning. Unfortunately, the great forum wipe got rid of a build that I thought was a pretty slick that featured a Drow Hybrid Rang/Pal/Rogue that even had combat expertise worked in if I remember correctly.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=94859

[Gol]

Everybody knows I'm a fan of Str-based Rangers, so I'll chime in...

Here's my build: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=122743

Since you don't have 32 pt access yet, drop Str and Wis 1 point each. The rest is the same.

[Ninety]

I'm rather new to the game myself and am in the same boat as you, I've been messing with the planner for a bit and this was my idea for a ranger - pally - rogue combo. It doesnt include any gear or tome info, so stats are totally unmodified, hope it helps some. I designed it to be a longbow/ dual rapier setup.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.85
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 16 Lawful Good Drow Male
(3 Paladin \ 1 Rogue \ 12 Ranger)
Hit Points: 168
Spell Points: 82
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 19
Will: 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 16)
Strength 16 20
Dexterity 16 21
Constitution 12 12
Intelligence 14 14
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 12 12

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 16)
Balance 7 9
Bluff 1 1
Concentration 1 1
Diplomacy 1 1
Disable Device 6 22
Haggle 5 5
Heal -1 -1
Hide 3 5
Intimidate 1 1
Jump 7 9
Listen -1 1
Move Silently 3 5
Open Lock 7 25
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 2 2
Search 6 22
Spot 3 19
Swim 7 9
Tumble 7 9
Use Magic Device 5 11.5

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Ranged Damage I

Level 2 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I

Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I

Level 5 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Ranger Spot I

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Paladin Saves Boost I

Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II

Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I

Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Drow Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance III

Level 10 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I

Level 11 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I

Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

Level 13 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Drow Ranged Attack II

Level 14 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II

Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II

Level 16 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III




I if did this correct and you put skills into DD,OL,Spot,Search and UMD as 5th choice you should be a pretty effective trapmonkey on top of the moderate dps. I started this setup yesterday and am already about to ding lvl 4 and so far its been a smooth ride. Hope it helps.


you realize with 8 wisdom you won't be able to cast spells right?

[EinarMal]

you realize with 8 wisdom you won't be able to cast spells right?

Yes you can with a wisdom item.

[Ninety]

I have a dex based dwarf ranger.

they are seriously the way to go.
though str based ones rock too.

[Staffman]

My goal is to be able to keep SEARCH, DD, OL maxed (do I need UMD?). The math makes my head hurt trying to get this right, but I don't want to keep wasting time re-rolling tunes. (What I want is a tune that is badass in group and soloing).

I was thinking a level or two rogue for the DD, OL, search. What I dont know is the other classes. I can imagine TWF with dual dwarven axes, but not if it makes more sense to do a dex build with light weapons...or am i better off doing THF? Keep in mind I have drow unlocked, but not the 32 build.

I need everything from starting stats to starting gear...I am poor and have a few items like +1 mithril full plate, etc, but nothing great, and no tomes, but I don't want to make a build that ignores the ability to add tomes later.

[Staffman]

How does this look? Any advice for what enchancements are a must would also be appreciated.



Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.85
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Strength28 Rng15/Rog1
Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(1 Rogue \ 15 Ranger)
Hit Points: 194
Spell Points: 184
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 13
Will: 6

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16)
Strength 14 18 18
Dexterity 14 14 14
Constitution 16 16 16
Intelligence 14 14 14
Wisdom 12 12 12
Charisma 6 6 6

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16)
Balance 6 6 10
Bluff -2 -2 -2
Concentration 3 3 3
Diplomacy -2 -2 -2
Disable Device 6 21 21
Haggle -2 -2 -2
Heal 1 1 1
Hide 4 4 4
Intimidate -2 -2 -2
Jump 6 8 8
Listen 5 5 5
Move Silently 4 4 4
Open Lock 6 21 21
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 2 2 2
Search 6 21 23
Spot 5 20 20
Swim 2 4 4
Tumble 6 6 6
Use Magic Device 2 17 17

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Giant Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus (Dwarf)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Trip

Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy

Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard

Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble

Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack

Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot

Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy

Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (2): Barkskin
Spell (2): Bear's Endurance
Spell (2): Camouflage, Mass
Spell (2): Cat's Grace
Spell (2): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (2): Hold Animal
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Protection From Energy
Spell (2): Snare
Spell (2): Spike Growth
Spell (2): Summon Nature's Ally II

Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion (Ranger)

Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental

Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot
Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Neutralize Poison
Spell (3): Remove Disease
Spell (3): Summon Nature's Ally III
Spell (3): Wild Instincts

Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Spell (4): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Longstrider, Mass
Spell (4): Summon Nature's Ally IV

Level 16 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct