Trap the Soul, 20-30 HD results

[Angelus_dead]

Collecting
Obtained: 10,000 Khyber Dragonshard Fragments
Becomes: 100 Tiny Khyber Shards (10 HD)
Becomes: 20 Small Khyber Shards (20 HD)
Becomes: 8 Average Khyber Shards (30 HD)

Casting 20-HD version of Trap the Soul
Earth Elemental (CR 5): Weak Essence of Earth
Earth Elemental (CR 7): Essence of Earth
Fire Elemental (CR 7): Essence of Fire
Earth Elemental (CR 10): Immune
Air Elemental (CR 11): Immune
Ghaele (CR 16): Essence of the Rebel

Casting 30-HD version of Trap the Soul
Air Elemental (CR 11): Strong Essence of Air

Placing Soul Essences on Eldritch Machine
Essence of Earth: fits in slot
Weak Essence of Earth: rejected by slot
Others: rejected by slot

Placing Soul Essences on Altar of Fecundity
All rejected.

Note1: By the monster manual, Elementals generally have HD about twice their CR. Outsiders, such as Devils and Eladrins, have HD about CR +/-2.
Note2: Apparently, Air Essences below Strong do not exist in DDO.

A warning: Many outsiders like Devils and Eladrins have Spell Resistance. To avoid wasting Kyber Shards, be sure to pick up a Spell Penetration VIII item before casting Trap the Soul on them, and hire an assistant to club it with Shattermantle. Whenever possible, target a no-SR outsider of the desired alignment, such as an Efreet instead of a Devil.

[The_Phenx]

Excellent work.. thanks

[Mad_Bombardier]

/hat off :)


Note2: Apparently, Air Essences below Strong do not exist in DDO.I'm trying to think if there are any "summoned" Air Elementals that might be <CR:10. I don't think so. :( We really only saw air eles in Mod3 in L10+ quests.

[Oreg]

Wait.

Are you saying 100 tiny shards yields 20 small shards?
Can you put 50 tiny to get 10 small? or 10 small for 4 average?

Thanks

[liamfrancais]

Excellent work now if I can just figure out what all this means

[Angelus_dead]

Are you saying 100 tiny shards yields 20 small shards?
Can you put 50 tiny to get 10 small? or 10 small for 4 average?
The machine will convert:
1000 Fragments -> 10 Tiny
100 Tiny -> 20 Small
10 Small -> 4 Average

50 Tiny to 10 Small does not appear to work. Also note that high-level chests drop fragments in stacks of average 500.

[mudfud]

It's for getting trapped soul gems and for use in the adamantine ritual.
If I am not mistaken they go into the altars of change only, not the other ones.

[MrCow]

Note2: Apparently, Air Essenses below Strong do not exist in DDO.

Invisible Stalker, perhaps? I don't know their HD, but they are close to a 1:1 CR to HD ratio and there are a couple CR 10 stalkers in Tomb of the Shadow King. They may fit on the HD 20 version of Trap the Soul

[Oreg]

The machine will convert:
1000 Fragments -> 10 Tiny
100 Tiny -> 20 Small
10 Small -> 4 Average

Also note that high-level chests drop fragments in stacks of average 500.

yep gotcha. was just confused because i thought i tried 50 tiny (dont have 100 yet) and got nothing. I will wait until i get 100.

[MrWizard]

you should be a dev/gm. Wonder why they would never tell anyone about this.

now we know what it takes to get the trap the soul spell to work, wow.

after having done all the quests out there a few times, even some elite. And after having cleared the vale a few times, I have a grand total of 621 khyber dragon shards.

wow. Really wish I had selected another spell. What a complete waste of a slot for my wiz. bummer.

funny thing is, my sorc is the one with all the spell pen. I figure at this rate, sometime next year I will have enough shards to cast the high level version (30 HD) only to find it will not work in the elite mobs I encounter like the running devils as they probably ahve more than 30HD..

sigh.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Invisible Stalker, perhaps? I don't know their HD, but they are close to a 1:1 CR to HD ratio and there are a couple CR 10 stalkers in Tomb of the Shadow King. They may fit on the HD 20 version of Trap the SoulOr could you hit a CR:11 Air Elemental with Enervation a few times? Do negative levels actually lower HD, or just apply penalties?

[bobbryan2]

So are you saying that Strong essences of earth do not fit onto the altar?

So the large dragonshards are not used for crafting at this time?

[Angelus_dead]

* The Soul Essense gems produced by Trap the Soul can be placed on the Auction House, but they do not go into any category and cannot be viewed or bidded.

* A Celestial Hound (CR <1) produces no soul gem. According to the pattern, it should output a Weak Essense of the Saint (or whatever name attaches to Neutral Good outsiders)

[Angelus_dead]

So are you saying that Strong essences of earth do not fit onto the altar?
I didn't want to waste my shards on a strong earth essence. That question wasn't interesting enough for me to spend a very limited component, at this point in time.

[Zenako]

Now we just need the silly things to stack more than 1000 at a time. Or it looks like I am gonna be making bank space on mule for these things....

[Angelus_dead]

Now we just need the silly things to stack more than 1000 at a time. Or it looks like I am gonna be making bank space on mule for these things....
It's true, they should stack more both in main inventory, and inside ingredients bags.
However, you can avoid wasting bank space by bringing them to the Eldritch Machine each time you get 1000 fragments. Convert them into 10 Tiny Shards immediately, then keep them in your ingredient bag. That's very manageable.

[MrCow]

Or could you hit a CR:11 Air Elemental with Enervation a few times? Do negative levels actually lower HD, or just apply penalties?

Negative levels do not allow spells like Daze Monster, Insta-death Cloudkill, Circle of Death, etc. to work. Negative levels also do not change the HD part of the formula for Intimidation or Diplomacy. In another thread someone (Ghoste I think) mentioned that they tried to trap the soul of a Huge Earth Elemental (HD higher than 10) and the enervation method didn't work for making a weak soul gem.

Edit: The CR 10 invisible stalker has 11 HD. They should work find to make medium air soul gems.

[Velorn]

Man, I don't know about the rest of you but this is gonna be a huge grind to get the components I need for this spell given the current drop rate. As was discussed, even the Devs are dissappointed with that. I hope it changes soon. I have pulled a total of 6...YES 6!!! Kyber DS fragments...but I have 852 Syberys DS fragments. I have one character flagged for the shroud and 3 more well on their way. At this rate I'll be able to cast this spell on a HD20 (since the 10's don't work in the device) sometime next year.

[JayDubya]

I have 600 khyber shards and 500 siberys shards. Just have to keep running it :)

[The_Phenx]

6600 so far... however I wasted a thousand trapping low level earthies before I realized I needed the 20 HD variation. :rolleyes:

This number is from two guys at about 10 full loot runs through the vale.. with donations from guildies who are tired of hearing me complain my blue dragonscale got broken.

[frederjoe1]

Does anyone know if these are just random drops for the shards?

The reason I ask is that I have been running TBF lately and I nearly always get a ton on the end chest after you kill Rotseer (or whatever his name is) last night i got 483 syb shards in one run, in one chest and 65 khyber shards in the same chest. I have comparable numbers for that same chest for the past few days.

Am I just having a good roll week or is this happening all the time?

[Mad_Bombardier]

Negative levels do not allow spells like Daze Monster, Insta-death Cloudkill, Circle of Death, etc. to work. Negative levels also do not change the HD part of the formula for Intimidation or Diplomacy. In another thread someone (Ghoste I think) mentioned that they tried to trap the soul of a Huge Earth Elemental (HD higher than 10) and the enervation method didn't work for making a weak soul gem.Thanks, MrCow! moooOOOOoooo. :D

[marcosoneghett]

Does anyone know if these are just random drops for the shards?

The reason I ask is that I have been running TBF lately and I nearly always get a ton on the end chest after you kill Rotseer (or whatever his name is) last night i got 483 syb shards in one run, in one chest and 65 khyber shards in the same chest. I have comparable numbers for that same chest for the past few days.

Am I just having a good roll week or is this happening all the time?

Im also running trial by fire and getting shards, albeit in a lesser number than you can get at the vale. Also have looted some decent numbers on desert loot runs.

[Shade]

To avoid wasting Kyber Shards, be sure to pick up a Spell Penetration VIII item before casting Trap the Soul on them, and hire an assistant to club it with Shattermantle. .

These actually exist?

[Glenalth]

Do mephits give you elemental essences? Might be able to get some weaker air essences that way.

[MrCow]

Mephits are outsiders, not elementals. They probably give one of the alignment-style outsider gems.

[bobbryan2]

Essence of the Undecided, I believe.

[mistygo]

So? That means that Soul Trap gems are worthless unless they are a Meduim Ground Ensense Gems can the rest of the gems be used for somthing? It makes all the other gems seem worthless there must be somthing u can do with the rest?

[Angelus_dead]

So? That means that Soul Trap gems are worthless unless they are a Meduim Ground Ensense Gems can the rest of the gems be used for somthing? It makes all the other gems seem worthless there must be somthing u can do with the rest?
The descriptive text of a Shard of Power (found in The Shroud) claims that it can be combined with "focuses or essences", which suggested that these other soul essences would have some use in crafting.

So far, that has not appeared to be true.

[Corvid7]

Has anyone tried combining weak essences to make more powerful ones?

Like 10 weak giant essences (smells like cheese) to make a medium one or anything like that?

[Angelus_dead]

Has anyone tried combining weak essences to make more powerful ones?
They won't even fit on the machine.

[Deaths_ward]

Maybe I've just been running Vale quests to much, but last count I have

-18,976 Kyber Dragonshard Fragments
-16,789 Siberys Dragonshard Fragments

That's after Ransacking 2 Alts on each of the 5 Vale quests on norm.

~~EDIT~~

No, I will not sell or trade any of them.

[Grimshadow]

Can someone explain the point of the soul stones on equipment. Is it something different than just the Adamantite Ritual of adding durability and hardness?

[Glenalth]

The machine will convert:
1000 Fragments -> 10 Tiny
100 Tiny -> 20 Small
10 Small -> 4 Average

50 Tiny to 10 Small does not appear to work. Also note that high-level chests drop fragments in stacks of average 500.

I've also pulled "1 Tiny Khyber Dragonshard" from a chest in Ritual Sacrifice. That would lead me to believe that larger shards might exist in chests as well.

[Boulderun]

Can someone explain the point of the soul stones on equipment. Is it something different than just the Adamantite Ritual of adding durability and hardness?

In the future they will be used for other rituals similar to that, and in the more general (non-raid) crafting systems. The Adamantine Ritual w/ Earth Essence stones is simply the only one implemented so far.

[smithers]

Thank you for your early experimenting. This thread is all I needed to pull this together. Screenie as thanks in return :)

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh203/jsumisu/adamantineritual.jpg

Saigo/MrTea/Coldpint/Ironpint/Halfpint of Eternal Wrath on Sarlona

[alchilito]

thanks for the info OP, confirms what we had suspected

can you say Ultimate Grind fast enough ???

must coincide with one of the posters, in terms of this spell being completely useless for a normal quest

What I usually do is setup mindfog, curse and enervate + have melee use shattermantle

[ebt-dnd]

Thank you for your early experimenting. This thread is all I needed to pull this together. Screenie as thanks in return :)


Interesting screenshot there. Makes one wonder what the max durability/hardness could be... :)

[Mystikill]

Interesting screenshot there. Makes one wonder what the max durability/hardness could be... :)

I've heard of 3 adamantine rituals possible (not confirmed). If you find out what the combination of the 2nd tier of adamantine rituals is, please let us know. I am fearful that it might be in increments of 10 ie: 20 adamantine ore, possibly 20 soul gems :eek:...but of course that is just pure speculation.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Interesting screenshot there. Makes one wonder what the max durability/hardness could be... :)"Further Adamantine Rituals will increase this item's Durability." So, I'm guessing the max Hardness is +5. ;)

[Gratch]

Placing Soul Essences on Altar of Fecundity
All rejected.


What about the 3 raid altars? The Altar of Fecundity is really just for building up green steel weapons. The interesting altars would be Invasion, Subjugation, and Devestation used for enhancing items. I'll have some normal and strong essences soon. I'll try it next time I'm in the raid unless someone else has done that.

Edit: Made some essences:
Depths of Discord on hard: CR7 earthies using 20HD gave essence of earth
Threnal Ruins: Elder Elementals: CR10 earthies using 30HD gave strong essence of earth
Taming the Flames (elite): Fire Elementals: CR9 tried 20HD immune. Using 30HD gave strong essence of fire
Red Named (Landslide) in discord: Immune (duh... but had to try once. He was CR8... tried HD20 spell on him)

Side Notes: None of the correct HD targetted mobs made their saves against my CR16 wizard. I used enlarge when casting the spell so the target mob was not yet aggroed, not grabbing, moving out of arc or attacking to cause a concentration failure.

[krud]

I'm tempted to try TTS out since i've amassed quite a few shards, but have a few questions. Does TTS know which HD shard to subtract from your inventory? i.e. does it automatically pick the lowest one that will work, the highest you have, or does it select by inventory location (upper-left first)?

[Angelus_dead]

I'm tempted to try TTS out since i've amassed quite a few shards, but have a few questions. Does TTS know which HD shard to subtract from your inventory? i.e. does it automatically pick the lowest one that will work, the highest you have, or does it select by inventory location (upper-left first)?
The wizard picks which version as the spell is cast.

[krud]

do you hot-key as 10, 20, or 30HD TTS? or is it a drop down menu like resist?

[Boulderun]

It's a multi-select menu like resist. You can drag the individual ones from the pop up to your toolbar, though.

[Gratch]

None of Weak Essence of Earth, Essence of Earth, or Strong Essence of Earth would go on the Altar of Invasion. So I'm guessing the initial conclusions are correct... these are for future stone of change rituals and not intended for the green-steel items.

Edit: obviously the Essence of Earth is for the one current ritual.

[chrisrtld]

A CR:15 Bearded Devil in the Vale produces an Essecense of the Dominator Gem! Many halflings sacrificed their lives for this test!

[Angelus_dead]

A CR:15 Bearded Devil in the Vale produces an Essecense of the Dominator Gem! Many halflings sacrificed their lives for this test!
An easier way to get Essence of the Dominator is from Efreetis in Court of Laliat, as they do not have Spell Resistance to waste your khybers.

[Beerthirty]

Ya. Cant put the strong earth essences anywhere except for the bank.

[Molotov]

i recently did the addy ritual on a +6 con ring because it had like 6 hardness and 10 durability, after the first ritual it made the hardness 7, and after the addy ritual2 the hardness remained at 7... i think i got screwed... :mad:

[Mad_Bombardier]

i recently did the addy ritual on a +6 con ring because it had like 6 hardness and 10 durability, after the first ritual it made the hardness 7, and after the addy ritual2 the hardness remained at 7... i think i got screwed... :mad:The bugged jewelry items had Hardness 2 and Durability 8-10. IIRC, Adamantine Ritual I adds 5 Hardness and 10 Durability. So, 7 Hardness is right. Adamantine Ritual II only adds more Durability. Again, 7 Hardness is correct, but you should now be at 28-30 Durability.

[Molotov]

The bugged jewelry items had Hardness 2 and Durability 8-10. IIRC, Adamantine Ritual I adds 5 Hardness and 10 Durability. So, 7 Hardness is right. Adamantine Ritual II only adds more Durability. Again, 7 Hardness is correct, but you should now be at 28-30 Durability.


hmmm, ok then, thanks for clearing that up, i still feel i got screwed though, was really hoping to increase that hardness some more, oh well...

[alchilito]

A_D

thanks for the info man, just wanted to ask you if there is currently any reason to harvest any souls other than earth elementals

[Venar]

No.
I have collected every single kind of Soul Gems available.
I have captured every single mobs in the game (including Gelatinous Cubes and Living Spells, and most orange names).
The only Gem that fits any altar is the Essence of Earth, regular size.

Really disapointed.

[Turial]

No.
I have collected every single kind of Soul Gems available.
I have captured every single mobs in the game (including Gelatinous Cubes and Living Spells, and most orange names).
The only Gem that fits any altar is the Essence of Earth, regular size.

Really disapointed.

I salute your tenacious and maybe a bit odd collecting of the souls. The devs do need to find a use for them.

[alchilito]

I salute your tenacious and maybe a bit odd collecting of the souls. The devs do need to find a use for them.

/signed

As it is Trap the Soul is pretty much a waste of a spell, with much potential for the future I must admit.

[Falcone]

OK so no one will likely build a Vacuum weapon for DPS purposes, but I recently made a longsword for my bard/rogue (-EE, AEE, -EE/AEE) and though I certainly could've gotten the same Int and Charisma with 12 less larges, this sword is really entertaining! Nobody is surprised by vorpal effects any more (Hey devs, let the heads roll!) but it's been fun to hear some "What the !?" exclamations when a spider or tiefling disappears and a gem shatters overhead on the way to Vision.

And if you really want to collect a lot of Soul gems, it's certainly faster than collecting 10,000 khyber shards. The challenge is to do as little damage as possible, so as to avoid killing the mob before the effect goes off. Fortunately a nice low strength (10) as well as the ability to displace, haste, and self-heal have worked out well for my bard. And let's face it, this bard is more likely to kill something with a DC 30 Trap the Soul than she is to confirm a vorpal anyway.

To get the Essence of Earth, Depths of Despair on Elite works, but for some reason those elementals seem to have no DR, and low hitpoints. Part 2 of Grey Moon on Hard gives you 4 CR7 Earth Elementals with DR and plenty hitpoints. I've captured as many as 3 out of 4 in one run.

[Angelus_dead]

Some people like these infos

[Judo]

i REALLY hope they find future uses for soul gems....i crafted a TTS bow, and now have run out of inventory lol

i have at least 130, spread between most of the possibilities in game

TTS w/ multishot ftw, guaranteed at least one soul per, whats really fun is kiting mass mobs, then letting go, ive gotten used to the sweet music a shattering gem makes

Gotta collect them all!

[alchilito]

Some dude had already at some point screenshotted and posted all the info on TtS. It is a very cool spell to use if you have the frags to cast it, but it is a shame that it is so costly to use and the benefits of the trapped soul gems is minimal if not none, except for the addy ritual of course.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

What HD are the Frost Giants?
And has anyone tried TtS on them yet?

[gordgray]

Casting 30-HD version of Trap the Soul
Air Elemental (CR 11): Strong Essence of Air

Placing Soul Essences on Eldritch Machine
Essence of Earth: fits in slot
Weak Essence of Earth: rejected by slot
Others: rejected by slot

Placing Soul Essences on Altar of Fecundity
All rejected.

Note1: By the monster manual, Elementals generally have HD about twice their CR. Outsiders, such as Devils and Eladrins, have HD about CR +/-2.
Note2: Apparently, Air Essences below Strong do not exist in DDO.

A warning: Many outsiders like Devils and Eladrins have Spell Resistance. To avoid wasting Kyber Shards, be sure to pick up a Spell Penetration VIII item before casting Trap the Soul on them, and hire an assistant to club it with Shattermantle. Whenever possible, target a no-SR outsider of the desired alignment, such as an Efreet instead of a Devil.

I'm not trying to be nave but is this to be used on any weapon?

[GlorkTheInvader]

Hey, look, a sixteen month necro!

[vVAnjilaVv]

*breaks out the greater disruptors and Kealth's Touch*

BRING IT!!!!

[Arakasia]

Collecting
Obtained: 10,000 Khyber Dragonshard Fragments
Becomes: 100 Tiny Khyber Shards (10 HD)
Becomes: 20 Small Khyber Shards (20 HD)
Becomes: 8 Average Khyber Shards (30 HD)

Casting 20-HD version of Trap the Soul
Earth Elemental (CR 5): Weak Essence of Earth
Earth Elemental (CR 7): Essence of Earth
Fire Elemental (CR 7): Essence of Fire
Earth Elemental (CR 10): Immune
Air Elemental (CR 11): Immune
Ghaele (CR 16): Essence of the Rebel

Casting 30-HD version of Trap the Soul
Air Elemental (CR 11): Strong Essence of Air

Placing Soul Essences on Eldritch Machine
Essence of Earth: fits in slot
Weak Essence of Earth: rejected by slot
Others: rejected by slot

Placing Soul Essences on Altar of Fecundity
All rejected.

Note1: By the monster manual, Elementals generally have HD about twice their CR. Outsiders, such as Devils and Eladrins, have HD about CR +/-2.
Note2: Apparently, Air Essences below Strong do not exist in DDO.

A warning: Many outsiders like Devils and Eladrins have Spell Resistance. To avoid wasting Kyber Shards, be sure to pick up a Spell Penetration VIII item before casting Trap the Soul on them, and hire an assistant to club it with Shattermantle. Whenever possible, target a no-SR outsider of the desired alignment, such as an Efreet instead of a Devil.

Ok my question is if im collecting these things, why am i, only 11th lvl wiz at the moment but obviously they are hot property,my question is why

[Merlocke]

You can buy the shards now.

[Adken]

I play very often with a rogue mech. Trapmaking is nice (and better for mechs) so i need some soul gems to craft good traps. I have a wizard too, so that's my source of soul gems.

For trapmaking are better strong gems, and I've tried to get at least one of each element. The elementals of Eyes of Stone (in the part where you must free the coinlords) in hard works really nice to get strong elemental gems, but i haven't beed able to get strong essence of water gems yet. I've tried with the elementals of Eyes of Stone, Fathom the Depths, Into the Deep and some other quests, and the 30 HD version gives a medium gem or the elementals are too high to be affected by the spell. In the particular case of Into the Deep, there's water elementals that give medium gems in hard, and immune on elite.

Does anyone know what's the formula to get a strong essence gem?
It's probably a high HD and the 30 HD version, but i'm not sure.

[UnderwearModel]

in the 12 vendor. That big building where you get your small ingredients bag.

1 tiny khyber dragonshard = about 120 plat depending on your haggle.

[TheDearLeader]

in the 12 vendor. That big building where you get your small ingredients bag.

1 tiny khyber dragonshard = about 120 plat depending on your haggle.

Wow. I would have sent a PM. I love how this thread seems to receive multiple Necros.

This page on the wiki (http://ddowiki.com/page/Khyber_Dragonshard) contains much of the information on where to purchase Tiny Khyber Dragonshards, or Soul Gem Bags. I know, because I remember running around and getting all the NPC Vendor names a while back to add it all in there.

Read it. Use it. Don't Necro it again, for the love of god.

Edit: Also, there's a rather recent thread about where to get different Soul Gems going right now. (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=297081)

[oberon131313]

Wow. I would have sent a PM. I love how this thread seems to receive multiple Necros.

This page on the wiki (http://ddowiki.com/page/Khyber_Dragonshard) contains much of the information on where to purchase Tiny Khyber Dragonshards, or Soul Gem Bags. I know, because I remember running around and getting all the NPC Vendor names a while back to add it all in there.

Read it. Use it. Don't Necro it again, for the love of god.

Edit: Also, there's a rather recent thread about where to get different Soul Gems going right now. (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=297081)

the person above him was the necro'er....

[ReaperAlexEU]

well i'm a pale master, so necroing is in character.

just wanted to add that rainbow on elite is a good source of strong aberration gems. keep resetting the quest until you get rust monster down the first hole. web them then hit them with some befuffs (i did two energy drains to be sure) and hit them with the 30 HD trap the soul.

the first beholder is also easy to get, but he only gives normal gems, not strong ones.

would be nice to see the first post get an update, so here's hoping Angelus_dead is still about!

[mleger]

i still don't understand what the point is.

i just got this spell and wonder why bother with all the shards, what good are the soul shards gonna get me?

[Mister_Peace]

http://ddowiki.com/page/Trap_the_Soul

http://ddowiki.com/page/Soul_Gem:_Essence_of_Earth

http://ddowiki.com/page/Trapmaking