Vulkoors Assassin

[Impaqt]

L16 opens up some nice posibilities for Rogues. Heres my latest "Rogue-adin" combonation. Full Rogue Skills OF course, Way of the Assassin (For the added flare now that Mod 6 gave it a small Boost), Greater TWF/Improved Crit, Awesome Saves, and Top Notch UMD.

Introducing Vulkoors Assassin

Level 16 Lawful Good Drow Male
(3 Paladin \ 13 Rogue)
L20 Projection 15Rogue/3Paly/2Fighter(TO Pick Up SUperior 2WF (COuld go 16/3/1 as well))

Hit Points: 144
20 Heroic Durability
78 L13Rogue
30 L3 Paly
10 Dragonic Vitality
64 CON Bonus
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202
30 Greater False Life
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232 Unbufed Hit Points

Spell Points: 0
BAB: 12\12\17\22
12 BAB
12 DEX
3 Avg Weapon
1 Vulkoor SS
2 Drow SS/Rapier
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+30 Unbuffed Sword and Board
-2 Two Weapon Fighting
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+28 Unbuffed TWF
+4 Greater Heroism
+2 Recitation
+1 Haste
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+35 First attack with buffs


Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 36
Will: 28

3/1/1 L3 Paly
4/8/4 L13 Rogue
2/2/2 Paly Aura
7/7/7 Divine Grace
4/12/7 Attribute Bonus(FOrce of Personality for Will)
4/4/4 Resistance Item
2/2/2 Head of Good Fortune
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26/36/27 Unbuffed Saves - Solid Saves for a Rogue Build
4/4/4 Greater Heroism
2/2/2 Recitation
0/6/0 Uncanny DOdge
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32/46/33 - Pretty Rediculous Buffed Saves for a Rogue



Abilities (Level 1) (Level 16)
{16}Strength 9+1 Tome +6 Item
{34}Dexterity 18 +4 Levels +2 Elf +2 Rogue +6Item +2 Favor TOme
{18}Constitution 12+6Item
{20}Intelligence 14+6Item
{10-16)Wisdom 9+1Tome +4/6 Item as needed
{24}Charisma 16+1Tome +1 Paly CHR +6Item

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 7



Skills (Level 1) (Level 16)
Balance 8 19

Diplomacy 23

{56+}Disable Device
19 Ranks +5 INT +7 Tools +13 Item +2 Head +2 ENH = 48 +4GH +5Boost =57 "I cant fail this trap Mode"

Haggle 9
Hide 12
Jump 19

Move Silently 12

Open Lock
Maxed Skill Open Lock

Search
19 Ranks +2Drow +3ENH +13Item +2 Head +5 INT =44 +4GH +5Boost =53

Spot
19 Ranks +13 Item +2 Drow +3 ENH = 37 +4 GH +3 Wisdom = 44 If Needed

Tumble 27

Use Magic Device
19 Ranks +3 SF +3 Cartouse +2 Head +7CHR = 34 +4GH +5 Boost = 43 (Auto Succeed L7 Scrolls!)

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 2 (Rogue)

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse

Level 4 (Paladin)

Level 5 (Rogue)

Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device

Level 7 (Paladin)

Level 8 (Rogue)

Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 10 (Rogue)

Level 11 (Rogue)

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion

Level 14 (Rogue)

Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Elven Perception II
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes II
Enhancement: Follower of Vulkoor
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Way of the Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

[Clay]

I like it Impaqt, but personally, i'd raise Int and drop cha. Also would rather start with 8 wis and put that point in str.

[flatlyne2001]

Are you really going to use TWF before level 6? Couldn't you swap around TWF and SF:UMD?

[Impaqt]

If ya dont want to plan on Tome Useage, Sure, 10Str, 8 Wis is fine. Tomes cap out at +3 Right now and in PnP +5. In a class that has no Wisdom or STR Bonus enhancements, Starting at an odd stat makes more sense to me. But I plan on using Tomes.

As for the Int/Chr thing.. Nah. The extra CHR gives me Bonus to UMD and Saving throws. The Extra Int would jsut give me one more skill point a level and +1 to my already top notch DD and Search.

Why wouldnt I use TWF before l6? If you play y our cards right you wont be getting aggro and 2-3 Quick hits Dual Wielding will take down most mobs before they get a chance to even swing at ya.

I suppose if you have some RR ML3 Stuff the SF Early could help, but I cant see any other reason to take SF: UMD Early.

[Ironwind]

Impaqt,
I'm very interested in this build.
As a new-ish player, I have a few questions.

1. Do paladins get the +2 AC and +2 saves from their own aura?
2. Does the aura stack with all other AC and Save bonuses?

[Impaqt]

Impaqt,
I'm very interested in this build.
As a new-ish player, I have a few questions.

1. Do paladins get the +2 AC and +2 saves from their own aura?
2. Does the aura stack with all other AC and Save bonuses?

Yes and Yes.

The one thing ya have to be real careful with in a build like this is the Squish Factor. Its hard to level if ya dont have the gear to back it up.

Of course, with XP Debt going away, that will get easier.....

[pepsik]

I dont get it the build basicly says that i have first open a pala in char creation till lvl 3 and then ill go as a rogue?

[adamkatt]

I dont get it the build basicly says that i have first open a pala in char creation till lvl 3 and then ill go as a rogue?


Re read this part again....

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 2 (Rogue)

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse

Level 4 (Paladin)

Level 5 (Rogue)

Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device

Level 7 (Paladin)

Level 8 (Rogue)

Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 10 (Rogue)

Level 11 (Rogue)

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion

Level 14 (Rogue)

Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 16 (Rogue)

[FalconDance]

I realize I am now guilty of Thread Necromancy, but I see this over and over again and wish to clarify something:

Do racial stat enhancements stack with class stat enhancements? I thought they did NOT. I.e. You have listed Elven Dex and later Rogue Dex as enhancements. It is my understanding that these do not stack. Please verify one way or the other.

[Ironforge_Clan]

I realize I am now guilty of Thread Necromancy, but I see this over and over again and wish to clarify something:

Do racial stat enhancements stack with class stat enhancements? I thought they did NOT. I.e. You have listed Elven Dex and later Rogue Dex as enhancements. It is my understanding that these do not stack. Please verify one way or the other.

Racial bonuses and Class bonuses DO stack.

[FalconDance]

Racial bonuses and Class bonuses DO stack.

Ok, thanks. I guess I can now re-think my next set of enhancements on a couple girls ;).

(Where in the world did I get the idea that they didn't? I *had* to have read it somewhere.......)


ETA: my confusion seems to be (besides a lack of caffeine) the multi-class enhancements not stacking, i.e. Rogue Dex and Ranger Dex, for example. I guess I applied that wholesale to racial versus profession. Thanks for clearing it up!

[unbongwah]

ETA: my confusion seems to be (besides a lack of caffeine) the multi-class enhancements not stacking, i.e. Rogue Dex and Ranger Dex, for example.
Just to clarify: you cannot take enhancement bonuses to the same stat from different classes simultaneously; i.e., you can take either rogue DEX or ranger DEX, but not both; likewise monk WIS or cleric WIS, etc. However, you can take class enhancements to different stats simultaneously: e.g., barb CON & ftr STR. All will stack with your racial stat enhancements.

[Ayra_matao]

nice build im actually rolling it now, tough i might change the UMD focus with toughness for added survivability.
however i am considering going 1 lvl of fighter at lvl 17 for another feat, however if i do what do i loose compeered to rouge 17 ?

[Draccus]

Just so everyone understands, this build was developed over two years ago and the game has changed DRAMATICALLY for rogues since then. Splashing other classes into a rogue build was very popular -- and for good reason, when there was little to be gained by going pure rogue.

Now, however, splash builds give up some significant damage verses pure rogues. That doesn't mean splash builds are worthless, quite the contrary. It simply means that there are now some very, very good reasons to stay pure that didn't exist when this build was developed.

A Rogue17/Pal3 gives up a whopping 6d6 of sneak attack damage compared to a pure rogue assassin. 6d6 of SA damage is the equivalent of 11 rogue levels. Eleven! It also gives up the vorpal effect of Assassin III. Is all that damage worth what you gain with 3 paladin levels? Maybe. But it gives up FAR more today than it did in January of 2008.

[Varr]

Hehe, someone had to dig deep to find a non str based build by impaqt. I can't believe my eyes, it did exist!

Stop, necro time.......mc hammer music goes here.

[Impaqt]

Hehe, someone had to dig deep to find a non str based build by impaqt. I can't believe my eyes, it did exist!

Stop, necro time.......mc hammer music goes here.


I think this one is still in my build index... I need to clear out some of the older, not so effective, builds from that.

This was a theme build at the time as I recall and does give up a lot in todays game. I would probobly go 18/2paly today if you wanted the saves from paly.