Terrible new trend

[Trugaard]

I wanted to take time to address something that is bothering me and making it more difficult for me to enjoy my adventures in Stormreach. I am extending my neck here to either get it hacked off or joined by other necks. The problem I see is the repeated rude and "Elitist" attitude amongst players in the game, behavior that seems to have no provocation.

Let me preface this by saying I have played a little over a year and have been with Major and Minor sized guilds. I have seen alot of my favorite players leave and unfortunately the people with poor attitudes seem to stay forever and multiply themselves. If this doesn't apply to you than take it for what it's worth.

I have never treated someone poorly because they were new to the game and in reality we should welcome these new players. It takes only one bad experience to turn people off the game forever. As much as you "Elitists" hate newbies think what would happen to the game if nobody wanted to begin playing. We are all ambassadors of this game and it's all of our responsibilities to make everyone welcome.

I sent a tell to a player in game, regarding a post he placed on the forums containing his trade list. The guy got immediately upset because I missunderstood what he had written. Really, this person knows who he is and it really isn't just about that incident. The most fun I have ever had is playing with real characters (my friends in game) and just laughing about the newb dorf who dies every 15-18 seconds and I'm the cleric!

If you manage to build the most powerful and comprehensive group of characters with every magical item, and in the process alienate half the server and drive away any new players, what exactly have you accomplished?

We all love Dungeons and Dragons, that alone should be enough! Stop the random acts of hate and cruelty. Make fun of this post if you must but if you have feedback let me have it.

[KoboldKiller]

I have not experienced this attitude in game, however I would agree that if their are people who are being rude to new players or in general, if you really care about this game then maybe you need to stop and think before you act or speak. Also if your in a PUG with one of these players you could either send a tell to the offender or a tell to the new player explaining that this is an isolated case and offer to run something else with that player to give them a better experience.

[Ringos]

Gee, I guess we must run into different folks. For the most part, people I meet are pretty decent and it's rare that I run across a 'jerk', although I have. I guess the best thing to do would be to try and find more people that you DO like running with and make it a point to quest with them more often. Although most people are pretty decent, I do have a couple of guilds I enjoy running with the most due to the fact that the people are competent AND fun. To me that is the best combination. Take care!

[Jaywade]

...you know you are talking about one person...maybe you caught him on a bad day, maybe you had a bad day....also so much stuff effects people differently what might make you upset might not bug me at all......

good example ...doing a reaver pug last night w/ my 2WF takanobu (dwarf 10/2/2 fighter/pally/rogue) grp is kinda of lagging getting going from time I joib to the party even steps inside is at least 15 min...so I take a afk ...... I come back everyone is in and the the entire grp is standing around the reaver and over voice chat people are asking who got fly....so I run over (with everyone else) and start wacking away at the reaver ....lead tank gets mad a couple of people get dead (1 cleic 1 wizz and a ranger) the lead tank makes a comment for the cleric not to heal my toon casue I've messed up the whole raid....anyway 1 one tank gets fly goes west I get fly go east we beat it okay....at the the end I could of said bunk you , I could of fussed, he as well could of started up some stuff ...you know what we both just shut up...in the end we won,I've seen better run raids but I've seen worst in the end we won....a lot would be better if we sometimes just let things go

[Beherit_Baphomar]

I was rude the other day.

Some people deserve rudeness.

Generally Im a happy-go-lucky kinda guy.

Now, a guildie of mine doesnt like to die. He isnt rude, per se (still cant do it), but when he dies....grab for yer headphones
cause there finna be some cursin'.

[Braegan]

I would have to agree that elitist attitiude to the point of being mean is the minority - and not cool at all. I prefer being the elitist that lets actions speak louder than my own braggin :p Most folks I have met have been very cool to hang with, but there are jerks everywhere in life - even in game. But it comes down to the fact that if you run into someone that rubs you the wrong way just avoid them. Don't let someone else ruin your experience. And take things with a grain of salt, as another poster mentioned sometimes you have a bad day or run into someone having a bad day and things get blown out of proportion.

[roggane]

Unfortunately it happens, it takes all kinds of peeps to make this game what it is, good and bad.

It's a small community no matter what and he'll find himself on the outside looking in at some point.

I find most people that have your attitude stay in the game longer and find it more enjoyable. Karma will always come back to you.

[DoctorWhofan]

I have.

My first TS run, my first SC run, for starters. This is why I play the way I do. But I just bet for every egoist in the game, there is 20 people showing people around quests, helping in the harbor, and aswering questions over general chat. THat's cuz there is too many good people and we try not let the bad apples spoil the game for new people. But a few get by and I am sorry you expiranced it

[death_smurf]

A jerk is a jerk. whether that player has been playing since beta or last week. remember this is a group game and if people cant treat group members with the same amount of respect they would like to receive they have no purpose in any group. If you can't find a way to be cival in groups .... just solo save your self and the population a lot of hassel. as far as helping new people getting acclimated to the game i find that is an awsome way to enjoy the game more myself. I dont particularly care how well someone plays just how well they present themselves in groups.

[Deadslug]

I AM ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I don't believe I'm gonna chime in here. In the last couple of weeks here on the Thelanis Forums we have seen examples of this "elitist attitude" that Trugaard is talking about. I've also bumped into it in the short week that I've been back in game.

To help explain my point, find the post entitled "Something Better". This post is a guild recruiting thread. A very good guild with brilliant, top quality players. There is nothing wrong with the guild or the post. It does however show an "elitist attitude". Here is a group of seasoned veteran players who really want to play with other seasoned veteran players. If I am a noob that just installed my new DDO game, and then went to the forum to check it out and that was the only thread that I read, I might feel excluded as a new player, but I may have also read "Aussie Guild", I may have also read "Legends of Zen recruiting" or "The Madborn are recruiting" and I'll read posts about people looking for guilds and people suggesting great guilds like The Exploration Society or Fellowship of Golden Night, Order of the Sword and Rose, The Band Of Shifting Sands, The Infamous Flaming Vagabonds, Umberhulks. People talking about their in game families (Legion, DWAT, Silver Waffle). I may realize that there is a wide variety of people and guilds some that are accomadating to my experience level and some that are not so accomodating. So you can find elitism on the forums, but you can find "Class is in Session" on the boards too.

In game: The other night, I was actually on as Deadslug. (lvl 1/1 rogue / wizard). Not what you'd consider a powerhouse. A friend of mine, Onyxius invited me to a group that was doing Missing in Action. We had a Fighter lvl 3, a Ranger lvl 2, a cleric lvl 4 and me? The ranger pushed the issue of doing the adventure on hard then on elite. Half way through the elite, he started cursing out our cleric and our fighter because he kept getting agro, "We have a fighter that can't fight, and a cleric that can't heal! I can't stand playing with idiots like you!" He then recalled out and broke from our group. This is "elitist attitude. Hey look! Kobold Shaman rated at CR 4, Kobold Warriors CR 4 and Trog shaman CR 5 can hurt really bad, really fast. He was dead a lot. Not because the Fighter was bad not because the Cleric was terrible. Maybe because all four of us were trying a quest on elite that may have been too hard for the character's abilities. We got through hard okay. A fighter lvl 3 M/T 1/1 and clr 4, are noobs by any standard. I may be a seasoned barbarian at lvl 13, but I may be terrible as a mage, because I'm new at playing that class. The fighter was brand new to the game, and the cleric is brand new to the game. Is this one guy just 'the jerk'. Or are there other people giving people this attitude often. Don't just assume that a guild name means rerolled / twinked character or veteran player. This guy felt perfectly justified in his anger at us? Beherit Baphomer tells us that he has a guildmate that will cuss you out if he dies. I get the impression that his guildmate feels justified when doing it. I also got the impression that Beherit Baphomer excuses his guildmate or feels that he is justified. If you do something "stupid" or "inexperienced" you deserve to get flame-sprayed or cussed out. :confused:
This is a growing trend. This trend will hurt our server in the long run. Not everyone is an offender.
If you think they aren't playing well, give them helpful suggestions. If they aren't receptive to them, be polite, wait for the end of the quest and find a new PUG.

I'm Deadslug, and that's what I think

[Ringos]

Nice post Deadslug (boy do I feel stupid typing that!). I had a pretty bad encounter tonight, the worst of my 1+ years in DDO. I won't go into that though. Why? Because I also had one of the best experiences I've had in DDO tonight...actually on the same run. The great experience came when someone did things for other people without any kind of payback. Without going into detail, this guy gave a couple of folks on our run in the GH quite a few nice, actually pretty uber, pieces of gear. He asked nothing in return. I know that some of us go pass out UW action items, some FP and a bit of plat, the newer folks may feel great about it (makes me feel good too), but what this guy did was pretty cool. He totally hooked up a guy with a lvl 10 Pali (his highest toon, on his first Giant Hold run) and gave my guildmate something VERY nice too. Since we really understand what he gave to those folks, it was sincerly appreciated. He helped a couple of guys that might never see those items a chance to have the best. Not only that, but when we wiped the second time on the end fight (someone opened on Elite rather than Hard), he jumped out, grabbed a different toon and saved the quest for us.

I'd like to personally thank the leader of Cataclysm for his actions and for showing again the types of folks that still run around this server of ours.

/salute

[DoctorWhofan]

I AM ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I don't believe I'm gonna chime in here. In the last couple of weeks here on the Thelanis Forums we have seen examples of this "elitist attitude" that Trugaard is talking about. I've also bumped into it in the short week that I've been back in game.

To help explain my point, find the post entitled "Something Better". This post is a guild recruiting thread. A very good guild with brilliant, top quality players. There is nothing wrong with the guild or the post. It does however show an "elitist attitude". Here is a group of seasoned veteran players who really want to play with other seasoned veteran players. If I am a noob that just installed my new DDO game, and then went to the forum to check it out and that was the only thread that I read, I might feel excluded as a new player, but I may have also read "Aussie Guild", I may have also read "Legends of Zen recruiting" or "The Madborn are recruiting" and I'll read posts about people looking for guilds and people suggesting great guilds like The Exploration Society or Fellowship of Golden Night, Order of the Sword and Rose, The Band Of Shifting Sands, The Infamous Flaming Vagabonds, Umberhulks. People talking about their in game families (Legion, DWAT, Silver Waffle). I may realize that there is a wide variety of people and guilds some that are accomadating to my experience level and some that are not so accomodating. So you can find elitism on the forums, but you can find "Class is in Session" on the boards too.

In game: The other night, I was actually on as Deadslug. (lvl 1/1 rogue / wizard). Not what you'd consider a powerhouse. A friend of mine, Onyxius invited me to a group that was doing Missing in Action. We had a Fighter lvl 3, a Ranger lvl 2, a cleric lvl 4 and me? The ranger pushed the issue of doing the adventure on hard then on elite. Half way through the elite, he started cursing out our cleric and our fighter because he kept getting agro, "We have a fighter that can't fight, and a cleric that can't heal! I can't stand playing with idiots like you!" He then recalled out and broke from our group. This is "elitist attitude. Hey look! Kobold Shaman rated at CR 4, Kobold Warriors CR 4 and Trog shaman CR 5 can hurt really bad, really fast. He was dead a lot. Not because the Fighter was bad not because the Cleric was terrible. Maybe because all four of us were trying a quest on elite that may have been too hard for the character's abilities. We got through hard okay. A fighter lvl 3 M/T 1/1 and clr 4, are noobs by any standard. I may be a seasoned barbarian at lvl 13, but I may be terrible as a mage, because I'm new at playing that class. The fighter was brand new to the game, and the cleric is brand new to the game. Is this one guy just 'the jerk'. Or are there other people giving people this attitude often. Don't just assume that a guild name means rerolled / twinked character or veteran player. This guy felt perfectly justified in his anger at us? Beherit Baphomer tells us that he has a guildmate that will cuss you out if he dies. I get the impression that his guildmate feels justified when doing it. I also got the impression that Beherit Baphomer excuses his guildmate or feels that he is justified. If you do something "stupid" or "inexperienced" you deserve to get flame-sprayed or cussed out. :confused:
This is a growing trend. This trend will hurt our server in the long run. Not everyone is an offender.
If you think they aren't playing well, give them helpful suggestions. If they aren't receptive to them, be polite, wait for the end of the quest and find a new PUG.

I'm Deadslug, and that's what I think

True True. To point I made my guild a PuG only guild to 1) help new people with quests. 2) assist new people with the game. 3) To help PuGgers, who need help or on a LFM. 4) Never to quit a party 5) to be the 6th (or 12th) man in a guild sponsored raid/quest.

That means all my guildies need to know what the heck is going on and knowthe quests well. THey have to be able to play well with others. But that means I cannot invite new people to my guild.

Guilds that are "uber elitists jerks" tend to get other likeminded people in their guild. And the tend to play within theguild. However, if they want to make a another toon, and noone else can/wants to, they have to PuG it. And then we get the jerks showing up in the harbor. And we have to deal with it.

[Ringos]

Quit following me DoctorWhoFan!!!

[DoctorWhofan]

Quit following me DoctorWhoFan!!!

bah, you are following me!:D

[Luthen]

I wanted to take time to address something that is bothering me and making it more difficult for me to enjoy my adventures in Stormreach. I am extending my neck here to either get it hacked off or joined by other necks. The problem I see is the repeated rude and "Elitist" attitude amongst players in the game, behavior that seems to have no provocation.

Let me preface this by saying I have played a little over a year and have been with Major and Minor sized guilds. I have seen alot of my favorite players leave and unfortunately the people with poor attitudes seem to stay forever and multiply themselves. If this doesn't apply to you than take it for what it's worth.

I have never treated someone poorly because they were new to the game and in reality we should welcome these new players. It takes only one bad experience to turn people off the game forever. As much as you "Elitists" hate newbies think what would happen to the game if nobody wanted to begin playing. We are all ambassadors of this game and it's all of our responsibilities to make everyone welcome.

I sent a tell to a player in game, regarding a post he placed on the forums containing his trade list. The guy got immediately upset because I missunderstood what he had written. Really, this person knows who he is and it really isn't just about that incident. The most fun I have ever had is playing with real characters (my friends in game) and just laughing about the newb dorf who dies every 15-18 seconds and I'm the cleric!

If you manage to build the most powerful and comprehensive group of characters with every magical item, and in the process alienate half the server and drive away any new players, what exactly have you accomplished?

We all love Dungeons and Dragons, that alone should be enough! Stop the random acts of hate and cruelty. Make fun of this post if you must but if you have feedback let me have it.

I have to admit I am a little torn on this topic. I can easily see either side of this topic and if you give me a moment I would like to explain myself. I am a member of DWAT. We have been around since day one but never actually made ourselves a guild until maby 6 months or so after DDO went live. We have a saying which is part of our founding principles... "Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome". We try to live by that. I have seen hunbdreds, maby more, players in the two years since I was in BETA. People come and go. Why is it the "Elitist" players stay longer then most? Tougher skin. Now I have helped my fair share of new players, guiding them or giving out gear or advice. Not everyone is on the same playing level. Whether by choice or ability.

I personally don't have a problem with new players. What I get annoyed with are newer players who refuse to hear what long term expierienced players have to say and learn from that expierience. I would take a 120 hit point Rogue who listens or follows the lead of someone more expierienced rather then a 400-500 hit point fighter who does his own thing and has very little clue how to party with others well, then gets the party wiped because he's an idiot. As an example we have a newer member who started a Rogue and soon after grouping with us joined DWAT. He listens well and learns and is a great team player. He eventualy rebuilt his toon with some smarter choices because he was willing to listen and learn. Those out there who don't listen or want to learn can go play with themselves.

Another "rule" we have in DWAT, at least amongst ourselves, is that in order to be a member you have to have thick skin. Why? because we're going to tell you when you're being stupid and you need to be able to suck it up and hear it. Each and every member has had themselves chewed out over something they've done that was a bone head move. I am not knocking the "sensitive" players. In fact I applaud them. But we're all stuck together and it's the people who refuse to adapt to one another who are most likely going to leave first because those "Elitist" players are the ones with the tougher skin (normally) and will normally outlast your "average" player.

On the other side of this though I can certainly feel for those who are not "Elitist" players. It must be frustrating to want to slowly go through a quest and enjoy every little detail when you have a zerger or an elite player who wants to rush through and get it over with to maximize the efficiancy of their time. It has got to be as frustrating for a more casual player to deal with an "Elitist" as it is the other way around. I just don;t see a quick fix for this kind of problem. We're talking play style and personality conflicts and those will never change.

[Brai]

I'm an Elitist, but you can be one and still be civil. Take for example the two failed 9-12 Dragon raids I've run on my lvl(then 9 now 10) SRC Kaliss. Both times I thought the leaders, sorry, were a little less than what I prefer a raid leader to be, and there where a fair number of inexperienced players. Not to say that generally they where bad players or bad leaders but still my standards are pretty high. The first raid ran into some problems, but nothing major. I knew it was going to be rough when we went to do the doors in the north hall. We had one fighter type with STR over 25, a guildie of mine who had 30 STR at lvl 10. The next Highest was 24, my guildie had to rage this other tank to get him above 25. We ran into a few issues but there was a long delay with a problem talking to some of the faces, bug? maybe. Well my guildie ran out of time and had to take off. We finnished without tooo much more problems and went on to the Dragon. We had a ranger without Precise shot, wasn't high enough lvl, but the tanks did a good job getting the pillars down. Went on to the Dragon to try and beat her but there was just not enough DPS. Well we switched to hero mode and the tank didn't do it well. Basically everyone was dead but two or three of us and all three clerics were. I was trying to get a cleric up with scrolls but I have to roll an 18 so it wasn't going good. Well the other last person standing decided to kamakazee and I died to in the middle of trying to res the clerics, it was my own fault I guess for not saying what I was doing but I did not complain, I just recalled and left the party after senselessly wasting 10 res scrolls. Now this was friday night I was wathching the Pats - Giants game that had just started when we started VoN5, sadly the game was done before we finished VoN5. Still I did My best to help get a completion, no yelling or screaming even though I wanted to.

On the second one, we did VoN 5 on hard and we ran into some problems right away that gave me another bad juju feeling. The rogues were having problems finding the traps. All in all everything else in VoN 5 went quite decent, and we finnished. The real problems were on VoN 6 where not alot of people understood what was going on, and one person was getting ansi. One person, who I will never raid with again was being annoying as usual, this was a new Char for a widely known, through our guild at least, bad player. One other guy died out on an island and we were trying to recover, but it was not going well. One of the tanks, the dude getting ansi, died and we were trying to get him to bring him in but the person who picked up his stone and was trying to save him got pushed off the island by the mephits, a mistake? yes, but this guy went nuts. Yes it sucks but still it is an honest mistakes and this guy IMO was not good enough to have the right to yell at someone for an honest mistake. Anyway we failed to even get the pillars down but I got lvl 10 so I didn't complain at all.

Moral of the stories: I'm an elitist when I pug I know people are usually not up to my standards and I expect that and play accordingly without an attitude.

[mardersteinel]

Nice post Deadslug (boy do I feel stupid typing that!). I had a pretty bad encounter tonight, the worst of my 1+ years in DDO. I won't go into that though. Why? Because I also had one of the best experiences I've had in DDO tonight...actually on the same run. The great experience came when someone did things for other people without any kind of payback. Without going into detail, this guy gave a couple of folks on our run in the GH quite a few nice, actually pretty uber, pieces of gear. He asked nothing in return. I know that some of us go pass out UW action items, some FP and a bit of plat, the newer folks may feel great about it (makes me feel good too), but what this guy did was pretty cool. He totally hooked up a guy with a lvl 10 Pali (his highest toon, on his first Giant Hold run) and gave my guildmate something VERY nice too. Since we really understand what he gave to those folks, it was sincerly appreciated. He helped a couple of guys that might never see those items a chance to have the best. Not only that, but when we wiped the second time on the end fight (someone opened on Elite rather than Hard), he jumped out, grabbed a different toon and saved the quest for us.

I'd like to personally thank the leader of Cataclysm for his actions and for showing again the types of folks that still run around this server of ours.

/salute

As a new player and beneficiary of the kindness of others, I would second this sentiment wholeheartedly. Any problems I have are universally of my own doing. People are remarkably helpful and want you to do well and get better.

The end fight Ringos is describing was surreal. Being incapacitated like everyone else the view gets blurred - but what I did see was him float down from above - then a wave of what looked like explosions. Then he rezzed me - but everything that killed us was already dead. Quite a force he was.

[Clay]

to be honest, I don't see a growing trend towards more "elitism."

I remember when I was a couple of months into the game, still learning my way around, unguildied and with a small friends list. I was unaware of the forums, of the "elite." I learned the hard way, by trial and error, well lots of error.

In learning the game largely solo, there were large gaps of knowledge, and many bad habits. I had the good fortune to run into an "elite" player named Picks who took me and my small group of friends thru Tangleroot for the first time. He was patient and ran things fast, but didn't finish every fight by himself or spoil every nuance of the quest.

It opened my eyes to a different aspect of the game and a new challenge. A big new challenge. I wanted to be as good.

Soon after I ran into another "elite" player with a Paralyzing great axe. The original kind. We were doing CO6 and it was the most boring time I have ever had in the game. I did not feel inspired or want to be that kind of player.

Two striking examples of elite payers... and I think pretty much the situation is largely unchanged. There are some bad apples who give a bad example, but in my experience they are a vast minority. Not all are like Picks, or the guy Ringos mentions, but most are decent and considerate people.

As a guy who pugs ALOT, I have rarely had bad experiences and they usually don't stick in memory. I do remember the good guys tho, and the new names on my friends list.

[Ghoste]

Reminds me of an STK run I did earlier today.

4 party members were from the same guild and organized the party. Then there was myself and a rogue who appeared to be fairly new to the game. At one point the party leader sent me a tell apologizing for the rogue, but thanking me for my patience. I replied that what was actually bothering me was being in a party with all these fleshlings, especially the smelly dwarf. He started cracking up over voice chat, and everyone forgot the rogue was struggling and had a good time.

[MrWizard]

I wanted to take time to address something that is bothering me and making it more difficult for me to enjoy my adventures in Stormreach. I am extending my neck here to either get it hacked off or joined by other necks. The problem I see is the repeated rude and "Elitist" attitude amongst players in the game, behavior that seems to have no provocation.

Welcome to Xoriat....:mad: Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

Let me preface this by saying I have played a little over a year and have been with Major and Minor sized guilds. I have seen alot of my favorite players leave and unfortunately the people with poor attitudes seem to stay forever and multiply themselves. If this doesn't apply to you than take it for what it's worth.

A lot of people are drinking heavily as mod6 is taking forever and the mortgage is going up too fast

I have never treated someone poorly because they were new to the game and in reality we should welcome these new players. It takes only one bad experience to turn people off the game forever. As much as you "Elitists" hate newbies think what would happen to the game if nobody wanted to begin playing. We are all ambassadors of this game and it's all of our responsibilities to make everyone welcome.

Today's dumb newbs are tomrrow's elitist buttheads

I sent a tell to a player in game, regarding a post he placed on the forums containing his trade list. The guy got immediately upset because I missunderstood what he had written. Really, this person knows who he is and it really isn't just about that incident. The most fun I have ever had is playing with real characters (my friends in game) and just laughing about the newb dorf who dies every 15-18 seconds and I'm the cleric!

What?

If you manage to build the most powerful and comprehensive group of characters with every magical item, and in the process alienate half the server and drive away any new players, what exactly have you accomplished?

Xoriat reborn?

We all love Dungeons and Dragons, that alone should be enough! Stop the random acts of hate and cruelty. Make fun of this post if you must but if you have feedback let me have it.

A new hate thread...awesome!





knowing none of my comments will be taken as tongue-in-cheek, go candy cane yourself. :eek:


..

[Uamhas]

*unloads new bazooka, lines up on the ex-xorian, fires away and unloads masses of froofroo butterflies, glittery pouftah dust included.*
Happy New Year!

[Ghoste]

*unloads new bazooka, lines up on the ex-xorian, fires away and unloads masses of froofroo butterflies, glittery pouftah dust included.*
Happy New Year!
Ooh, pouftah dust! I ran out of that spell component earlier today.

/quickly gathers up as much pouftah dust as he can.

[Luthen]

If you manage to build the most powerful and comprehensive group of characters with every magical item, and in the process alienate half the server and drive away any new players, what exactly have you accomplished?

Response?


Xoriat reborn?

Classic. Absofrigginlutely CLASSIC!!! (Not to mention TRUE!)

And some people thought the Xorian's were in hiding. nah... we're just subverting you from the inside.

[KoboldKiller]

Greetings Thelanis. I am branching to your server from Argonnessen and will see for myself if the OP's comments hold true. I hope to meet many of you.

[Ringos]

Welcome KoboldKiller. 95% of us here are great...the rest are from Xoriat! (j/k folks!)

[Prinstoni]

I just hope that I wasn't the guy you sent a tell to regarding a trade. lol

[MysticRhythms]

95% of us here are great...the rest are from Xoriat!

Post. Of. The. Week.

[KoboldKiller]

Actually, while I'm here, what's the best rp guild out there? I actually dabble a bit with one of my alts on Argo and was interested in seeing how it works with others that rp.

[Renegade66]

Actually, while I'm here, what's the best rp guild out there?

Oh God.

I guess I should mention that the new Xoriat (aka Thelanis) has put a moratorium on role playing guilds. The elitest guilds have set up a fund to pay for character transfers to Argonnessen. We had $452,689.37 roll in the first day, so I have plenty to ship them all over, plus build my new dream home. I recommend staying put and keeping an eye out for flying pokadotted horses and fluffy bunny rabbits heading your way. You will most likely find them having a tea party in the Leaky Dingy or giving a play in Delara's Graveyard.

[Rayzorlew]

What the hell I'll throw in..........
Not all elitists hate pugging, I myself love it, yet I never do it.
The reason is simple, its not the 9 nice people that you meet, its that tenth!
That tenth jackass that just has to do it his way, the guy who can single handedly ruin 2 hours of your free time.
For example, awhile back I was leading a Dragon raid, their were only a few guildies on so we pugged the rest of the spots.
We received quite a few newbs into the party, so we took it kinda slow, I was actually enjoying the group.
We defeated the Prequest and entered the Dragon quest.
Soon the pillars were down and we were buffing up for the attack.
I started as normal saying "OK for those of you who havent been here before, what we're going to do is.........."
.......and all of a sudden this "Warfoged fighter" takes off swinging his axe at the Dragon."
Wiping us...
Needless to say I came unglued.

I believe your gaming attitude should be the same as your real life attitude.
Simply put:
"If you don't act ********, I won't treat you as a ******!" ;)

[KoboldKiller]

Oh God.

I guess I should mention that the new Xoriat (aka Thelanis) has put a moratorium on role playing guilds. The elitest guilds have set up a fund to pay for character transfers to Argonnessen. We had $452,689.37 roll in the first day, so I have plenty to ship them all over, plus build my new dream home. I recommend staying put and keeping an eye out for flying pokadotted horses and fluffy bunny rabbits heading your way. You will most likely find them having a tea party in the Leaky Dingy or giving a play in Delara's Graveyard.

I will take your recomendations in consideration, however I need a new home for my halfling builds and have chosen Thelanis.

[juniorpfactors]

bah, you are following me!:D

Trissa!!!!

I know you are reffering to JRPfactors....but I cant find my twin to run with.... I thought it was Trissa but she doesnt pay the beholder slayers bounty in TS.... you have more characters slots now----->would love to see a killing cleric named Trissafactor:D

TS wouldnt be the same again.... go get your own bounty...then ya never have to pay the $100,000 gold ;)

the new lfm ..... "Goddess of TS holding court and paying 10000k plat to the beholder slayer"

[Elvejon]

Everyone has friends, and Everyone has enemies. ITs life, one without the other can sometimes be boring..... sometimes.

[TommyBoy]

to op its not just Thelanis. I saw/heard a cleric and a fighter get into an agruement over whose fault it was that they died.

the cleric (who's name resembled spell casting tools (the long wooden kind)) argued that its was the fighters fault for not grabbing aggro

the fighter argued that the cleric would heal him so he wasnt able to grab aggro as he was trying to shrine to get hps.

they were both quite loud about it. I take the fighters side as my bard was doing all the healing before he went incap at the boss and the rest of the group took the boss to the other side of the map.

but just know it happens elsewhere

[Uamhas]

Actually, while I'm here, what's the best rp guild out there? I actually dabble a bit with one of my alts on Argo and was interested in seeing how it works with others that rp.

Don't mind Ren, he's just peeved cuz Hennebux started roleplaying as a prophet. There are actually several roleplaying guilds on this server, and we ain't leavin'. Rather than cluttering up the post any further, I'll just say click on the Thelanis Thursday link in my sig to see a listing of some roleplaying guilds in Thelanis. Try each of us out, see which fits you. Welcome.

[KoboldKiller]

Don't mind Ren, he's just peeved cuz Hennebux started roleplaying as a prophet. There are actually several roleplaying guilds on this server, and we ain't leavin'. Rather than cluttering up the post any further, I'll just say click on the Thelanis Thursday link in my sig to see a listing of some roleplaying guilds in Thelanis. Try each of us out, see which fits you. Welcome.

Many thanks

[Citymorg]

Where's Scarrsgarrd when you need him, too bad he's gone. This was going to happen when they merged Xoriat with Thelanis. Xoriat was a hardcore server, where people would let you know if you screwed up. That being said, being elite does not mean being an ass. I have led countless Titan raids, and many full of new people. Whenever people listen, everything goes well. I explain the entire quest, where I want people to go, and what I need them to do to complete it. This is especially true when it comes to the boss. Invariably, there is someone there who thinks they know more than I do, and goes and starts doing the pillars their own way (and I have many different ways to do them), without regard to what I just said. This can put the entire party and raid at risk. I have no problem giving these people a piece of my mind, then a piece of their's. Basically, if you don't know what you're doing you should ask and follow directions. If you don't, any screw up is at your own risk. It is the responsibility of the elite to teach the new, but it is also the responsibility of the new to learn before doing.

In all honesty, there have been more than a few times I have explained things to people like they were 9, because that is the level that some people need things explained to them to get it. I never know who is on the other side of the keyboard, and I would rather overexplain something than wind up with the responsibility of the party wiping being on my shoulders because I didn't explain something.

[Ringos]

Where's Scarrsgarrd when you need him, too bad he's gone. This was going to happen when they merged Xoriat with Thelanis. Xoriat was a hardcore server, where people would let you know if you screwed up. That being said, being elite does not mean being an ass. I have led countless Titan raids, and many full of new people. Whenever people listen, everything goes well. I explain the entire quest, where I want people to go, and what I need them to do to complete it. This is especially true when it comes to the boss. Invariably, there is someone there who thinks they know more than I do, and goes and starts doing the pillars their own way (and I have many different ways to do them), without regard to what I just said. This can put the entire party and raid at risk. I have no problem giving these people a piece of my mind, then a piece of their's. Basically, if you don't know what you're doing you should ask and follow directions. If you don't, any screw up is at your own risk. It is the responsibility of the elite to teach the new, but it is also the responsibility of the new to learn before doing.

In all honesty, there have been more than a few times I have explained things to people like they were 9, because that is the level that some people need things explained to them to get it. I never know who is on the other side of the keyboard, and I would rather overexplain something than wind up with the responsibility of the party wiping being on my shoulders because I didn't explain something.

Nice post.

[Brai]

So to sum up two pages of bumbling.

1. It is the party leaders job to lead and give direction.

2. It is the party members duty to follow and maybe give an opinion on a strategy, but to follow the leaders decision no matter what.

3. If you die it is no ones fault but your own, except in the case of a party wipe which puts blame on the party leader.

Did I get all that? Anything else?

[Renegade66]

3. If you die it is no ones fault but your own, except in the case of a party wipe which puts blame on the party leader.

It only takes one idiot to get people killed. Rayzor had a good example. If you aren't an expert at a given quest then listen close and take direction from the one who does. Otherwise, if you blindly do something that gets someone killed then expect to get verbally flogged. This can be a considerate Thelanis style flogging or a harsh get it right or forever solo Xoriat style flogging. Either way, consider it a learning experience and move on. Remember, there's no crying in DDO.

[Rayzorlew]

Remember, there's no crying in DDO.

Liar, remember that idiot in crucible.....the one whos stone we dropped in the water, or that cleric in Necro.
Then there was the Warforge wiz in the dessert, lol, now that was funny.
Hell, I got a tell crying about you just the other day....DOH! ;)

[Uamhas]

But Womp, you made me cry. I told you it was too big.

[Rayzorlew]

But Womp, you made me cry. I told you it was too big.

Lol........tears of joy don't count seacrane.

[Mapa]

What set Xoriat apart was the fact that if you didn't know what was going on, you asked someone to explain. You were expected to have thick skin and be able to take it. Now I have seen a few examples of people being called to account for stupid mistakes in the last few months and not all of the yelling or rudeness was coming from Xorians. It came from people who were tired and frustrated. Now my favorite was from Renn. We wiped in, I believe, the 3rd or 4th run of 6 Reaver Marathon because people were sloppy. We needed a swift kick in the pants and he delivered it in ear splitting make you feel like a kindergardener detail. No blood, no foul. On the other hand some guildies and I wanted to take some level 8 - 10 characters to do the Wiz King and PUGed the last 2 slots. We were about half way through and I was ready to unleash on the PUG Sorc when one of my guildies told me in guild chat to go get a drink. By the time I got back he had discovered that the 2 PUGs that we had picked up were a father, who was a casual player and a more into the game 12 year son who had never done the quest and were afraid to say anything because we seemed to know what we were doing and the son "recognized" Xoriat in our guild name and thought he knew what it stood for. After this revelation, we slowed down, explained what and why, and everyone had a really good time. Am I a jerk because I almost yelled at a 12 year old for ticking me off in a video game? I don't think so but I am glad someone saw it coming and stopped me.

[captain1z]

Most people....about 90% of the ones I meet in-game are very kind and helpful to everyone. thats my experience and its all I really have to say on the matter.

[Ringos]

Hats off for stepping back in that situation Mapa. I must admit that it's kinda cool that Xoriat in a guild name 'warns' folks of what to expect. Not much butterfly dust sprinkled around when the buffs are gettin' passed out!

[Generals]

Xoriat born, Xoriat bred!!! POW on Thelanis ("Nice" cell though) :Shudder:


Mapa, what could liberate you from being a POW? Is there any hope? :confused:

:)

From my experience, the Thelanis player base rox. It's a unique mix of young, old, male, female, brothers, sisters, mom's, dad's (etc. etc.), friends, lovers (:eek:) and haters, newbies, old timers and all types in between. It's been a wild ride in this neck of the woods as well. The Xorian's have been, for the most part imo, honorable, proud, talented and reasonable players. There are a few nuts but nobody's perfect I guess. As a whole I'd say we benefit from the new player base changes. Look forward to more.

[Rayzorlew]

From my experience, the Thelanis player base rox. It's a unique mix of young, old, male, female, brothers, sisters, mom's, dad's (etc. etc.), friends, lovers (:eek:) and haters, newbies, old timers and all types in between. It's been a wild ride in this neck of the woods as well. The Xorian's have been, for the most part imo, honorable, proud, talented and reasonable players. There are a few nuts but nobody's perfect I guess. As a whole I'd say we benefit from the new player base changes. Look forward to more.

In all honesty your right.
Thelanis in my opinion is filled with great people, we've guilded quite a few actually.
...and from what I've seen these particular "Thelonians" have no problem setting a group straight when need be.
I do however think Xorians are a little more agressive, or abrassive, and all around less patient.
Yet, I still think it comes down to the newb, and as long as they listen and pay attention they'll be fine.
I personally haven't played with anyone who is mean to puggers for absolutely no reason.
The way I see it is, most of us probably don't have enough free time as it is so when we get some, and decide to play DDO we try to make the best of it.
Then when someone ruins that precious free time well......they get what they deserve. ;)

Mapa, I think the way you handled yourself was perfect.
When someone tells me they're new I slow it down and try to be helpfull, and how nice I am is totally up to them and how well they listen.

[seldarin]

End of the day you have many different types of players. You have good players, bad players, good people, bad people. A good player isnt always a good person, same as a bad player isnt always a bad person. Additionally sometimes you get people on a bad day. I have been playing since march 2006 and have come across all kinds of people/players. The good ones are those that if they know what they are doing, will help those that dont rather than disparage them, or if they dont know what they are doing, will listen to those that do. I have come across many new players that dont know what they are doing, but hey, we were all new once and even though you may have played DND for 20 years, DDO is something different in many aspects.

If you come across a player that is genuinely an ass towards everyone, easy solution, dont group with them again. That is the great thing about a friends list, either use it for those u like grouping with, or those that you dont, easy way to keep track.

I can understand your angst about perceived elite players, been on the receiving end of it myself.

Example: I was on an all guild raid, back when i was in a guild large enough to run them. I was playing my rogue for the first time on the Dragon Raid. I was doing the dragging mobs back to home base deal, back when you could. I wasnt doing a good job of it because i didnt know what i was doing and no one explained it to me. After making a slight mess of it to begin with, rather than explain it, another party member (guildie) and he was an officer in the guild, said "Out of the way, i will do it, i KNOW what im doing". Did he explain it, did he tell me what needed doing and let me do it, nope, not on your life. Guild Leader was on the raid too, did anything get said to him, not a word. Elitist play, definitely, bad enough in general, but to your own guildies and being you are an officer, somewhat unforgiveable.

End of the day, i made a decision, that if he was along, i just wouldnt group with him, that is how i handle elitist players. Was he better than me, NO, more experienced at that aspect, YES, better at helping people, not in a blind fit.

The game is all about enjoyment, sometimes it gets interfered with, sometimes it doesnt. There are certain people around that think they are the bees knees because they have all the great gear. I for one believe that the essence of a good player/person is one that can do things without needing to rely on the special toys, having all the toys doesnt make you better, just means you spend more time gaming than others :)

You get it everywhere in life, not just in the game, just ignore them, they eventually will get sick of themselves or just group with other Elitists.

[MistressofDeath]

I understand that they (Elitist) have worked hard to get where they are, but like Truggard stated, we are here just to enjoy the game. I too, have been a member of major and minor guilds, but always have the most fun with those who are not afraid to try (and if we die...then so be it). These types of parties always have the most fun!

My current guild always tries to welcome newbs to the game, and we take them along with us (explaining the chance of death). But, in the end they always tell us they had a great time, and they thank us for showing them the world of Stormreach.

I am with you, Truggard. ;)

[ace_mason]

The problem is not with the "elitist" it is with the people who think they are elite. An elite player will not complain that the party is wiping over and over again. An elite player is a player that can bring a group that is otherwise not that good to become a group that can zerg throgh quest with very little difficulty. Read this very carefull all you Elite players out there. If you are frustrated becuase you are wasting to many resources or the quest is taking to long then you ARE NOT ELITE!If your party wipes you ARE NOT ELITE! There are very few people that I would put in the group of elite players. I can think of 3 people that I have grouped with that would make this list and I know most of the people on our server through one of there alts. I consider myself to be a very good player and pride myself on being prepared for every situation. I have every item in the game have 7 capped toons and I have soloed every quest that is soloable. And i still do not put myself on the same page as that small handfull of people that are elite. I am little off topic, but I feel that all you "elite" players need to have a reality check and relize that although you may be good you ARE NOT ELITE! So when you ar getting ****ed because you pug group isnt doing as well as it should take solace in the fact that there are people who make your lvl 14 capped toon with your dual weilding w/p rapiers or 2200 sp look like a lvl 1 toon wearing starter armor.

[Quanefel]

I think people also need to take into account is the fact that when experienced players act all "elitist" to the newer players, it will cause some to leave the game. Do we really need more people dropping from the game because of these "elitist" attitudes?

[Mapa]

Mapa, what could liberate you from being a POW? Is there any hope? :confused:

:)

From my experience, the Thelanis player base rox. It's a unique mix of young, old, male, female, brothers, sisters, mom's, dad's (etc. etc.), friends, lovers (:eek:) and haters, newbies, old timers and all types in between. It's been a wild ride in this neck of the woods as well. The Xorian's have been, for the most part imo, honorable, proud, talented and reasonable players. There are a few nuts but nobody's perfect I guess. As a whole I'd say we benefit from the new player base changes. Look forward to more.

That sig was triggered by a specific event and is getting more tongue in cheek every day. I like it here and I believe that the people that survived the merger are stronger because of it. And I can assure you that if a certain player returns I will change it. I will also quit assuming that any lowbee in the Harbor is a alt of someone that knows what they are doing.

[Renegade66]

I love helping newbs. However, I lose my patience when they don't listen and blindly run ahead even though it's their first time.

Ace, you qualify as "elite" in my book and my list is pretty damned short too.

[Ringos]

The problem is not with the "elitist" it is with the people who think they are elite. An elite player will not complain that the party is wiping over and over again. An elite player is a player that can bring a group that is otherwise not that good to become a group that can zerg throgh quest with very little difficulty. Read this very carefull all you Elite players out there. If you are frustrated becuase you are wasting to many resources or the quest is taking to long then you ARE NOT ELITE!If your party wipes you ARE NOT ELITE! There are very few people that I would put in the group of elite players. I can think of 3 people that I have grouped with that would make this list and I know most of the people on our server through one of there alts. I consider myself to be a very good player and pride myself on being prepared for every situation. I have every item in the game have 7 capped toons and I have soloed every quest that is soloable. And i still do not put myself on the same page as that small handfull of people that are elite. I am little off topic, but I feel that all you "elite" players need to have a reality check and relize that although you may be good you ARE NOT ELITE! So when you ar getting ****ed because you pug group isnt doing as well as it should take solace in the fact that there are people who make your lvl 14 capped toon with your dual weilding w/p rapiers or 2200 sp look like a lvl 1 toon wearing starter armor.

I never looked at it that way before. Good points.

[Ringos]

I love helping newbs. However, I lose my patience when they don't listen and blindly run ahead even though it's their first time.

Ace, you qualify as "elite" in my book and my list is pretty damned short too.

The zergin' lowbies are really the thing that get my goat in this game. If I am going to solo a quest with a lower alt, sometimes I'll throw out an LFM stating newer folks are welcome. I ask everyone to wait outside the quest for everyone else before starting, but there are usually a couple that pop in and start up without the group. That drives me nuts because the main reason I through out the group was so that newer folks could run the whole quest with the group and pick up some tips along the way.

BTW, although I live in Iowa, I do not actually own a goat. Just an FYI...

[Uamhas]

By no stretch of the imagination could I be considered elite, and I'm ok with this. I have fun in this game. Sometimes I answer the LFM that says "We need help! We're new!" by offering my experience. I try to answer every general tell I find that asks for information about something having to do with gameplay. However, I DO get frustrated and a little short when dealing with chronic stupidity, and there are some days when I just want to surround myself with competence (those are the days when I'll put something like "no babysitting" or "be self-sufficient" in my LFM). I pug alot. I meet alot of new people. I make alot of new friends. So far, I've only had to squelch one person, and that was just.... well, I don't want to talk about it. I use my friends' list for those people that stand out, and sometimes that's not a good thing. There's this one cleric that has a note and a date that makes sure I don't quest with him ever again.
*sigh*
I miss Havanti. He was an elite s.o.b. but I liked him.
/ramble off

[Shamguard]

BTW, although I live in Iowa, I do not actually own a goat. Just an FYI...

I though everyone in Iowa had a goat to feed the corn cobs to.:p Oh wait that's pigs sorry:p.

"I'm from Iowa, I only work in outerspace." J. Kirk

[Renegade66]

I miss Havanti. He was an elite s.o.b. but I liked him.
/ramble off

Havanti's back. He has his first toon up to level 14.

[Clay]

The problem is ... you ARE NOT ELITE! If your party wipes you ARE NOT ELITE! ... you ARE NOT ELITE! So ... there ... .

I SAID I WAS SORRY!!!

(How come everyone's always pickin on me?)

/sniffle

[DoctorWhofan]

Trissa!!!!

I know you are reffering to JRPfactors....but I cant find my twin to run with.... I thought it was Trissa but she doesnt pay the beholder slayers bounty in TS.... you have more characters slots now----->would love to see a killing cleric named Trissafactor:D

TS wouldnt be the same again.... go get your own bounty...then ya never have to pay the $100,000 gold ;)

the new lfm ..... "Goddess of TS holding court and paying 10000k plat to the beholder slayer"

a "killing cleric"?????

BAH!

I hire my killers. I just make sure they stay alive long enough to get the job done.

As for "Trissafactors" ....bbbrrrrrr! scary!

[Uamhas]

Havanti's back. He has his first toon up to level 14.

Yay! Now I can stalk him agai.. ahem... say hello on occasion when he's busy doing other things... repeatedly... alot. :D

[Ministry]

I think of my first couple of days in the game when I fell to my death repeatedly in STK and the team I was on was full of a guild players that had been friends in RL for years and had played games like this together for a long time. I could have imagined the looks on their faces. And yet, I laughed and apologized and explained I've only been playing for 2 days. They slowed down for me and in the end invited me to their guild. Within a month I knew the game very well and was made an officer in that guild.

My secret to any success in life and in this game... explain what you know and can do or don't know and can't do and then have thick skin to deal with how people may react.

I think that is why I faired well on Xoriat.

Every person thinks they are special and after a long time playing the game and accomplishing much feel that they are pretty good. They spend so much time learning the hard way how to do these quests that sometimes they can get frustrated if someone comes in and doesn't know much or contributes little or worse still... messes things up and blows the quest.

I don't think these people necessary think of themselves as the "elite" because of that. Or maybe some do... who knows what goes through everyone's mind.

Anyways... simple as this... make sure you are honest about what you know and don't know when joining a team and then understand if they decide you may not be the best fit at the time. Most of the best players will take anyone onto the team and make it work no matter what, even if they have to use 100 heal scrolls or recall 3 times for mana. I can't count how many times I've had to sacrifice to make sure our team succeeds, but in the end I feel good about myself and hopefully I've gained some respect and / or friends. I know for one, if someone is honest with me upfront, I will keep them on team and just spend a bit more time explaining, or if I'm in a hurry, I will just tell them to stand back, watch and learn and hopefully that is okay.

BUT (big but, not butt)... There are many of us, and I have done this... where we have limited time one night and really want to get a quest done. We make a team to do it and someone messes it up... intentionally or not and we get a tad upset. So... to those... when you make a team, let people know what your situation is... limited time or patience... etc. Or, just stack a team this time with people you know well and don't make the poor new player feel like ***** when the quest goes ary.

And... do not make the mistake I sometimes make... When I try to get onto a team and I'm not accepted... yea, it's happened 2 or 3 times that I can think of... don't take it personal. Maybe you just weren't the right fit. One guy even let me onto team, but when I was taking a few extra seconds to get to the quest he booted me from team. Yea... I remember that person, someone who thinks they are an elitist... ask me in game and I will tell you who that is.... ahhaa

Anyways... just don't forget the first time you fell off your bike... I hope for your sake the person leading you that day didn't laugh at you and make you feel bad.

[TreknaQudane]

Anyways... just don't forget the first time you fell off your bike... I hope for your sake the person leading you that day didn't laugh at you and make you feel bad.

Actually they did :(

Of course they then proceeded to help me back up and tell me what I did wrong and helped me try again -without- falling.

[JacknCoke]

I'm new to this game. I have played a few mmos and i can say from my experience this is the most helpful and respectful group of players as a whole I have experienced. I had ran into a few rude people but its not hard to ignore them and make a mental note to just pay no attention to them.

[MrWizard]

I wanted to take time to address something that is bothering me and making it more difficult for me to enjoy my adventures in Stormreach. I am extending my neck here to either get it hacked off or joined by other necks. The problem I see is the repeated rude and "Elitist" attitude amongst players in the game, behavior that seems to have no provocation.

Let me preface this by saying I have played a little over a year and have been with Major and Minor sized guilds. I have seen alot of my favorite players leave and unfortunately the people with poor attitudes seem to stay forever and multiply themselves. If this doesn't apply to you than take it for what it's worth.

I have never treated someone poorly because they were new to the game and in reality we should welcome these new players. It takes only one bad experience to turn people off the game forever. As much as you "Elitists" hate newbies think what would happen to the game if nobody wanted to begin playing. We are all ambassadors of this game and it's all of our responsibilities to make everyone welcome.

I sent a tell to a player in game, regarding a post he placed on the forums containing his trade list. The guy got immediately upset because I missunderstood what he had written. Really, this person knows who he is and it really isn't just about that incident. The most fun I have ever had is playing with real characters (my friends in game) and just laughing about the newb dorf who dies every 15-18 seconds and I'm the cleric!

If you manage to build the most powerful and comprehensive group of characters with every magical item, and in the process alienate half the server and drive away any new players, what exactly have you accomplished?

We all love Dungeons and Dragons, that alone should be enough! Stop the random acts of hate and cruelty. Make fun of this post if you must but if you have feedback let me have it.



sometimes what you type and how it sounds is totally dependent on the person 'listening' to the tell. Also, when in mortal combat I tend to be a bit 'quick and terse in replies'. Perhaps he wrote something and you 'felt' he had a meaner meaning to it...or you caught him in the middle of a big fight...or maybe he was stoned?

just take a breather, let it go, and contimue playing'

[Trugaard]

Well lett me address a couple things:

I always give the benfit of the doubt and I am smart enough to know when I'm being talked down to.

I think there is also a misconception on who should be thick skinned. If someone dishes it out then by all means fling it back. Thick skin should not be implied. That person you feel needs to talked to or requires you to address them may be having a bad experience. The last 5 guys that talked to him might have been real "Richards". Think about that when you're having a bad day.

I am by no means elitist but I have grouped with new players that are either extremly annoying (i.e. question after question in a screeching voice) or are detrimental to the groups ability to finish the quest and enjoy the ride.

I leave you all with my greatest memory of this game I love. I was doind a PoP run (of course) and had grouped with an individual who had a thick southern drawl and used it about every 6-8 seconds. He was extremely bossy and ordered a group of 14th level characters around like we were newbs. After a bit I found him actually to be pretty comical and the group began to take shots (verbal jabs if you will) at him after every numb skull thing he'd say. By the end we had defeated "Chatahoochie" the warforged and he insisted on grabbing the docent. I grabbed it prior to him and he died. It wasn't a big deal but I laughed probably for 8 minutes after that. I don't dislike the guy and I would group with him again in a heartbeat, but the doggone thing was fun and funny. It may have been because I was without sleep for about 18 hours straight.

Either way its always fun and sometimes when you start what feels like a painfilled quest, Instant d'Karma chimes and causes you to actually enjoy yourself.

[sigtrent]

By the end we had defeated "Chatahoochie" the warforged and he insisted on grabbing the docent. I grabbed it prior to him and he died. It wasn't a big deal but I laughed probably for 8 minutes after that. I don't dislike the guy and I would group with him again in a heartbeat, but the doggone thing was fun and funny. It may have been because I was without sleep for about 18 hours straight.


Nice! Ya sometimes you have to get a little revenge where you can get it. There are certainly folks I don't like to play with. Generaly I'll finish out a quest with them and then avoid them thereafter. It's often not worth the drama to confront them directly unless they really force the issue.

The hardest for me are the little kids that can just be hard to communicate with. You don't want to get mad at them but on the other hand they can really ruin a group if they won't stop talking or just won't pay any attention to what's going on. I feel bad for ditching them after the quest is over but I just can't let someone else make the game un-fun for me to play. A lack of skill is fine, you can help wtih that, but a lack of willingness to adapt to others is a killer you can't do much about.

[binnsr]

I roll *alot* of lowbie characters, trying out different concepts (they usually get rerolled when I stumble across something that piques my interest more since I've got a pile of capped and near-capped characters too). In all the time I've spent in the Harbor, I've only had 1 bad PUGer.
I had just rolled up a battle bard and done the goodblade low road and solo quests to get lvl2 (1bard / 1 fighter).
After leveling, I looked and an LFM for waterworks that wanted any class - so I joined them. Being about 2 hours old and totally untwinked, I did stop off and buy as many CLW pots as I could afford (15 or so, I think) on the way to the quest. The party at that point consisted of a barb3, fighter2, 2 rangers and myself (i could be wrong about the levels and such, but you get the drift).
They decided to get started while they waited for a sixth - at which point, I mentioned that I was a battle bard (as if the greatsword wasn't enough of a clue) and didn't have any onboard healing (lvl1 spell was hypno). The decision was to go on ahead and start anyway. By the time we got to the sleeping-kobold room, we hadn't picked up anyone else yet and the fighter was nearly out of red-bar. He told me to 'use the shrine and memorize CLW' so we'd have some healing. I told him that I couldn't do that; he then said 'at least wand heal then.' To which, I mentioned my character's age and lack of twinkage. He then cussed me out in VC, called me 'the worst bard ever', recalled and dropped group.
I thought 'what a prick' and we went ahead and finished the quest with 4. one of the others had to leave after we finished WW1, so the group disbanded, and I went ahead and solo'ed WW2 (using the minimalist approach:)) - at some point, I noticed that I had new mail and just figured it was a plat-seller (since the character name had been around for a looong time). After finishing out, I discovered that my friend the fighter had sent me a single copper piece with a note saying that I had won the 'worst bard of the year' award and enclosed were my winnings. I returned the mail to him with his copper piece and something semi-witty in response and promptly forgot all about him (don't even remember his name anymore).

I've met a few folks like him ingame and it really doesn't bother me all that much that there are jerks out there - but imagine the impression this display might have made to a brand-new player about our community.

[Ringos]

Yeah Binnsr, I try to avoid people like that if at all possible...they really chap my hide. If I'm running lowbie quests and someone seems like they may not have a clue, I'll try to politely suggest or hint at things that might help out, but I just can't handle the type of person that has to impose their will on others. They are the only folks on my short DNG list, well, them and the Ranger excluders! Grrr...

[seldarin]

He told me to 'use the shrine and memorize CLW' so we'd have some healing. I told him that I couldn't do that; he then said 'at least wand heal then.' To which, I mentioned my character's age and lack of twinkage. He then cussed me out in VC, called me 'the worst bard ever', recalled and dropped group.

Ah, another of those esteemed souls who believes that healing is the sole realm of classes that have healing spells, rather than trying to be a bit self sufficient, i would suppose that he believed that all a fighters contribution to a quest is, is to bring a sword.

I was in a situation once with my cleric, joined the group and every second some clown was asking for a remove curse or remove disease or lesser restore or something. In the end i just said "well they have potions for that". The response i got for that was "thats what a cleric is for". I may be a little wrong about everything but a cleric doesnt always join a group just to stand around and heal everyones ailments, (one we cant heal is stupidity, no spell for that yet). For mine, if you were soloing a quest, you wouldnt have a cleric with you to help you out, so who would do your curse removals etc then. A quest is no different, if you help a cleric out along the way, it greatly increases your odds of finding one the next time you need one for a quest you are doing. Thats just my personal views anyways. All 9 of my toons are self sufficient and dont rely on a cleric for anything, unless its to bring me back upright when im incapped.

But never ceases to amaze me the amount of players i come across that will spend the family budget on that well crafted +5 Full Plate, +5 Greatsword and other assorted +5 gear that they cant use till they hit lvl 8, they were lvl 4 at the time, but they cant seem to be able to afford a solitary cure light wounds potion.

[Clay]

... They are the only folks on my short DNG list, well, them and the Ranger excluders! Grrr...

Rangers suck!

Just ask Eriik!

;)

[Ringos]

Rangers suck!

Just ask Eriik!

;)

Lol! Yeah, he's the sheet, but some folks would be quick to point out that he's not 'all' Ranger...so there goes using him as an example. I guess others have to help bring our reputations up in the eyes of the adventuring world. Just because we kill quickly, heal and remove an ocassional disease doesn't mean squat I guess!

As a side note, I wonder how the all-Ranger DQ raid went?

/highjack off

[Uamhas]

I took my ranger into the PvP arena once just for spits and giggles, when there were a few Ironwolf people in there. It was just to see what would happen when I started using a paralyzing bow... well, how could I resist hitting a couple of them with a few wounding puncturing arrows? Shortly after this began, I found myself lining up 6 or more of them pesky wolf critters in a row of glowy green auras, and giggling maniacally as the w/p whittled them down. Before I knew it there were wolves everywhere, and Solonora was outmatched. I love rangers.

[Ringos]

I took my ranger into the PvP arena once just for spits and giggles, when there were a few Ironwolf people in there. It was just to see what would happen when I started using a paralyzing bow... well, how could I resist hitting a couple of them with a few wounding puncturing arrows? Shortly after this began, I found myself lining up 6 or more of them pesky wolf critters in a row of glowy green auras, and giggling maniacally as the w/p whittled them down. Before I knew it there were wolves everywhere, and Solonora was outmatched. I love rangers.

Improved Wild Empathy and the Lioness (barked of course!), coupled with TWF will get a Ranger out of a jam like that!

[Uamhas]

Improved Wild Empathy and the Lioness (barked of course!), coupled with TWF will get a Ranger out of a jam like that!
"Wolves" in this case refers to the people of Ironwolf Guild. Good buncha folks (mrowr Kiim and Pwe... prrr) and you can't summon creatures in pvp.

[CrimsonFalcon]

I know what you mean about the "Elitist Attitude" and I feel the same way as everyone else does, I've been playing since release and have experienced it since then. So what I'm trying to start here on thelanis is a guild for newbies to teach them the game and to get more accustomed to the mechanics, so that noobs don't feel alienated by the more veteran or advanced players. In general I'm trying to do my small part to make Thelanis one of the most enjoyable servers in the game for everyone noobs and vets alike.

[Ringos]

"Wolves" in this case refers to the people of Ironwolf Guild. Good buncha folks (mrowr Kiim and Pwe... prrr) and you can't summon creatures in pvp.

Ahhh, no wonder I suck at PVP against those guys. Improved Wild Empathy never actually worked, I just assumed it should!

Shows how closely I read at times...I was hoppin' back and forth between the game and the boards, so don't think I'm totally stupid! I won't edit my original post to keep myself further humbled...

[stewy1956]

doing a co6 run with a level 5 rogue got to the next to last part and could not see the boxes for traps our healer and tank dropped even tho i asked to get some items for boosting my int so we reformed grp and i got a foxs cunning wand and hero potion and with a bard in the grp i was able to disarm the level 10 quest boxes and we finished the quest so patience sometimes does win out if u listen and work together

[Clay]

Stewy you are right... but did you happen to notice the date of the previous post?

[roadkill525]

I'm a new player and I've had a great time on this server so far. started playing friday night/saterday morning and have met nothing but nice helpfull people. I normaly explain to the group while we are gathering that I played way back when with that preorder beta thing and not sence.

I do the same thing now, if someone in the gorup could use something I got that I can't I offer it up and people have been giving me stuff I can use. I love playing a rogue, and aparently my spot sucks cause I can;t spot anything but the group leaders been great about showing me where the traps are to search and disable them. I done WW and STK a few times and am really lovin em, but it makes me relize I need to focus more on traps then dammage. and don try to do STK on eliete with a lvl 4 rogue unless ya know that rogue specilized for traps. I even had a blast gettin blown up by critical failures on disable device.

[RazorrX]

I have only met a few ‘jerks’ on Thelanis. I do not pug as much now as I used to (guild always seems to have something going on when I log in) but when I do I try to pay back what I have been given/taught. There are a few players who are on my “cool forever” list that really took time and helped me out, taught me how to play smarter, etc. I try to help new players as I was helped out, I show them smart ways I have been taught to do a quest, where possible wipes happen and how to avoid them, etc.

I am still not an uber player by any means, but it was fun to save a gwylans run gone bad with a pug when one of the players quit after dying and I joined for the third try at it. When I got there and they told me how hard it had been, I replied . . . “Well we are in luck on this quest, because a little halfling cleric I know showed me how to run this sucker, lets go beat this thing.” And we did. :D

So while there may be elitists and jerks, there are still a LOT of great folk that more than make up for it.

[roadkill525]

do people leave after dieing? we were trying to run STK on eliete and all of us racked up a huge repair bill trying and failing to get past the traps I couldn't disarm. it was a blast though. no one left and we musta died a dozen times or more

[RazorrX]

Yeah it happens. Most times it is someone who thinks that they are gods gift to the game, then when the group wipes they ALWAYS say that it was the other people who screwed up. They rant, cuss, etc. and drop group. I have seen this happen in the middle of a quest and they leave the group stranded. SO, it made the whole 3rd try on same difficulty setting win all that more sweet. :cool:

[Ringos]

I can't remember leaving a quest because of dying. I usually just gut it out. The only time I remember leaving a group mad was when I joined a group for a gianthold run when it was new, with my Cleric. I let them know that I had no idea how to get there, but they ran out ahead before I even zoned in. After repeatedly asking for help in figuring out where to go, I run into a mob and die. I res out and try again. Still no response to my requests for help, and by that time they had jumped in the quest so I didn't even have their dots to help guide me. Another mob, another death. Rather than open up on them at how very pessed off I was, I pulled out my network cable. Nothing good woulda came if I would have spoken my mind at that time! (and I'm pretty easy going)