Was I in the wrong?

[Suzaku]

I was playing a battle cleric on STK and I was doing very well (although I was never the highest kills, but often tied with second place and within 8 of the highest kills), I kept everyone healed although I did have two people die through out the course of the campaign (But they went ahead of me by themselves as I was shrining when it happed while everyone else stayed and waited). No one brought anything up until after the campaign was over and almost everyone up for something else. I asked for the paladin and ranger if they could purchase wands to cure themselves and carry some pots of remove curse or whatever cure for any debuffs that may come on next quest because I was taking a large hit on my wallet and it would ease up on it.

However they start spewing that it was my job to keep them healed and they were tanks or damage dealers. I respond with saying it's not my job to baby sit them and one or two cure light wands won't hurt them but they continued saying it was my job to heal them and if I couldn't do that I shouldn't be playing cleric. So rather then put up with them I decided to just quit, when I play ranger (haven't play paladin) bard I always carry wands to self heal myself to take pressure off the cleric or save mana for something else.

What I was right for requesting people to carry wands and/or cures for debuffs for the quest you're going into and/or for leaving for not wanting to baby sit them. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with healing but sometimes people could share a burden even if it's just a small amount of help.

[RACRGUY]

I say you were in the right. In fact can you PM me the names so I can avoid them.

[Strakeln]

You were absolutely in the right.

Any paladin or ranger that does not carry wands should have their accounts banned. Pronto.

[Impaqt]

I was playing a battle cleric on STK and I was doing very well (although I was never the highest kills, but often tied with second place and within 8 of the highest kills), I kept everyone healed although I did have two people die through out the course of the campaign (But they went ahead of me by themselves as I was shrining when it happed while everyone else stayed and waited). No one brought anything up until after the campaign was over and almost everyone up for something else. I asked for the paladin and ranger if they could purchase wands to cure themselves and carry some pots of remove curse or whatever cure for any debuffs that may come on next quest because I was taking a large hit on my wallet and it would ease up on it.

However they start spewing that it was my job to keep them healed and they were tanks or damage dealers. I respond with saying it's not my job to baby sit them and one or two cure light wands won't hurt them but they continued saying it was my job to heal them and if I couldn't do that I shouldn't be playing cleric. So rather then put up with them I decided to just quit, when I play ranger (haven't play paladin) bard I always carry wands to self heal myself to take pressure off the cleric or save mana for something else.

What I was right for requesting people to carry wands and/or cures for debuffs for the quest you're going into and/or for leaving for not wanting to baby sit them. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with healing but sometimes people could share a burden even if it's just a small amount of help.

You were toally in the right...... Theres no reason for anyone to totally rely on the cleric for Everything.. thats just poor gameplay. If more clerics spoke up ike you did the game would be significantly better.

OK, then, if you cant help support yourself, good luck finding a cleric to replace me.
XXXX Has left the group.

[Ghoste]

Lol, I completely agree with the op.

Next time it comes up, refer to the player complaining about it in this manner:

*looking at the xp report*
"Simplicimus' kill count with a babysitter: <insert actual number>"
"Simplicimus' kill count without a babysitter: <insert a MUCH lower number>"
"My kill count with a babysitter: <insert actual number>"
"My kill count without a babysitter: <insert same number>"

"Well Simplicimus, looks like the party could get along a lot better than you think with me replacing you as a tank. The recall button is in the top right corner of your screen, please don't cry too much on your way out."

[Lizzybrat]

Totally in the right - make sure to add them to your /squelch list so you don't have to deal with them anymore.

[DDO_Ironwolf]

In fact if anyone disagrees with this post I will thump' em on the melon. This whole you are the cleric so I can just rush in like an idiot and take unneeded damage all the time without any tactics or care needs to stop. If everyone just carried potions or wands for themselves the clerical healing can be saved up for the big battles and they can have some offensive spell casting fun as well. One phrase we have always stressed guild wise is to have everyone be self sufficient.

[Jeannie]

OK, I have to laugh, I started a thread of a rather similar nature a few weeks ago :) Many people agreed, some told me I was playing wrong if I used up so many resources - some even told me that the whole discussion was "So last year" and that I was lame to even bring it up. I feel for you, man.

Please PM me the names of these "gems" you met up with so I will know to avoid them.
I wish I could remember the name of that jerk of a pally from Delera's....

[caliestro]

all people should be self sustaning at all times. if you have to rely on someone else just to be a good tank caster ect. then you should turn off your pc and go play mario bros. i would of told them to go jump into a lake cause not even my cleric would keep them alive if they didn't have pots or something. so your in the right no ranger or pally should go without a wand. i know once and a while my toons need help but i still keep enough to keep my guys going for prolonged fights.

[Kalanth]

As already stated, you were completely in the right. Next step was good, though I would have done it differently. I would have stayed in the group, but never tossed a single heal to the two people that refused to buy supplies to help you. When they died, and likely they would, grab their stones and carry them along with you. If there is a point where you can drop the stones into a nearly impossible to retrieve from location, do so (Lava pit, deep casim, off the edge of the ledges in VoN 2, etc). Then leave a parting message that these kinds of things don't happen when you are nice to the cleric and make an effort to help. Then recall and quit the group. Sure, mean spirited, and likely to have you added to a couple ignore lists, but did you really want to group with those guys again after that?

Course, use this trick in moderation as using it to often will result in a need to change servers. :)

[Albel]

The very first character I made was a pure barbarian, and he was the worst at keeping himself healed (320+ HP at lvl 10 when 10 was the cap) but he still carried a ton of pots, now every character I've built has wand/magic using capabilities and uses them to full benefit of the party. I just built my first cleric and got him to lvl 3 and am already noticing the lack of preparation in other players characters, although I am forgiving right now as they were all lvl 2-3 and two of them openly announced they were brand new to ddo (yay new blood :) ). I only hope that in a few levels time I won't have to completely babysit other players and that some will prove to be as self sufficient as my other toons are.

As for the topic at hand I believe you were absolutely in the right to do exactly what you did, I can tell you right now I won't put up with that kind of attitude on my cleric any more than I do on my non-clerics.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

/snip
What I was right for requesting people to carry wands and/or cures for debuffs for the quest you're going into and/or for leaving for not wanting to baby sit them. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with healing but sometimes people could share a burden even if it's just a small amount of help.

Absolutely. I've run into this before when I was leveling my clerics.

My solution(in non-guild parties) is to only rely on mana, or wands/etc that other people in the party have donated. They get the point real fast when my cleric is out of mana after the second or third fight, and they have to sit around waiting for their babysitter while I recall out for mana. For most quests it's not necessary, but every so often you get that one "special" group that deserves to sit around being bored because they don't want to be self-sufficient.

[twix]

i have a bb casting cleric and i amost never join pugs anymore because people will sit there wondering why they arent being healed between fights . lol buy some pots.Ill keep ya up during a fight but other then that you can take pots,use wands restore yourself with a pot.Im not rich and im not wasting resourses for things you should be able to handle yourself. As you can tell i fully agree with the op .

[Generals]

Self sustainment is fundamental. Healers are worth their weight in gold, but depending on others for your own survival is always risky.

If everyone knows your role up front then no one should complain.

..and it's never a good idea to **** off a cleric. Especially one with a big stick.

[DDO_Ironwolf]

Self sustainment is fundamental. Healers are worth their weight in gold, but depending on others for your own survival is always risky.

If everyone knows your role up front then no one should complain.

..and it's never a good idea to **** off a cleric. Especially one with a big stick.



Agreed...never upset the cleric lol... hey bro go on any good hikes lately ?

[Ghoste]

When I play my cleric, I have the following statement copied to my clipboard and ready to paste for quick responses:

"don't thank me, fleshling. My god despises you, and I despise you. Thank fate that I consider you more useful to me whole than broken."

It helps keep expectations low.

[Generals]

/temp hijack


Agreed...never upset the cleric lol... hey bro go on any good hikes lately ?

As a matter of fact I'm headed up to the hills tomorrow night, got a chilly date with the Max Patch trailhead Saturday morning. By nightfall I should be in wilderness solitude enjoying noodles by the campfire with a fat stogie :rolleyes:

/end hijack

We now return you to your regularly scheduled rant.

[DoctorWhofan]

never NEVER upset the cleric. You were right. And please add me to the list of PM'ing names, so they can be added to my watch list.

[Lizzybrat]

When I play my cleric, I have the following statement copied to my clipboard and ready to paste for quick responses:

"don't thank me, fleshling. My god despises you, and I despise you. Thank fate that I consider you more useful to me whole than broken."

It helps keep expectations low.

OMG! That has got to be the best bio yet! I think I am in love (again).

[Ringos]

Agreed. I always try to let folks know when I hit the shrine...if they choose to go on without me, that's their issue. I also try to stay with the cleric (when playing a melee-type) if they are shrining and I let people know that as well. As a low-level cleric, I've been jumped running up to the group or after taking a wrong turn and it's not fun. Not much a cleric with Nimbus of Light can do against 3 trolls. Just wait until you hit the Gianthold and the group runs out to the quest before you zone in. Nothing better than making the run by yourself running through mana trying to stay alive to start your evening!

[MrWizard]

I was playing a battle cleric on STK and I was doing very well (although I was never the highest kills, but often tied with second place and within 8 of the highest kills), I kept everyone healed although I did have two people die through out the course of the campaign (But they went ahead of me by themselves as I was shrining when it happed while everyone else stayed and waited). No one brought anything up until after the campaign was over and almost everyone up for something else. I asked for the paladin and ranger if they could purchase wands to cure themselves and carry some pots of remove curse or whatever cure for any debuffs that may come on next quest because I was taking a large hit on my wallet and it would ease up on it.

However they start spewing that it was my job to keep them healed and they were tanks or damage dealers. I respond with saying it's not my job to baby sit them and one or two cure light wands won't hurt them but they continued saying it was my job to heal them and if I couldn't do that I shouldn't be playing cleric. So rather then put up with them I decided to just quit, when I play ranger (haven't play paladin) bard I always carry wands to self heal myself to take pressure off the cleric or save mana for something else.

What I was right for requesting people to carry wands and/or cures for debuffs for the quest you're going into and/or for leaving for not wanting to baby sit them. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with healing but sometimes people could share a burden even if it's just a small amount of help.


If you are a new player (read: broke) then it is understandable to not have pots or wands.
If you have cash there is no reason to not have remove fear, remove curse, poison neut, and cure potions.
As a ranger and pally, if you do not carry wands to heal, then you suq as a ranger or a pally. Why do you think you can cast spells like cure light wounds and such? You ARE A HEALER...just not as uber as a cleric.

I have been in a group where everyone had mana bars...14s....my cleric had to...

put out resists- no one had memmed resist...neither ranger or pally or sorc!!!
throw out deathward- hello..paladin? hello?

no one had wands, but pally had lay on hands...for himself..

I had to beg for a jump and a blur (the only two buffs my cleric needs)....wow.

When writng those guide books for the contest, hope soemone lets people know what they can do with their toons, since ddo does a bad job of letting you know...most new rangers have no idea they can use cure wands...

[Theris]

I'm really sorry you had to experiance that, the Thelanis community on a whole should know better. Maybe this is a sign that we need to spread the word even more in-game that clerics are a privilege, not a resource to be abused.

[Brai]

I'm really sorry you had to experiance that, the Thelanis community on a whole should know better. Maybe this is a sign that we need to spread the word even more in-game that clerics are a privilege, not a resource to be abused.

Perfect statement but unless people speak out like tho OP fools will aways repeat this mistake.

[infernalmal]

Too bad some people are having these problems as clerics still...
Although it can go far the other way as well! I have a 14 clr and have ran many a pug & guild group through many a quest. Yet, the other night I was playing my 14 wiz human in my guild group of me and 4 other clerics. Go through about 3/4 of the quest w/o a heal notice I am at 1/3 HP, don't say anything... wait a little while... still no heal... so I slap on my jungle cloak & take care o business. At the end i'm like "How cus no one healed me?" and their response is "Ohh you needed a heal? just ask!"
lol.
Guess I haveto call out in voice chat for heals now, guess thats the respect I get for hardly ever dying.

[Generals]

On my cleric I woulda healed you, but to their defense they probably assumed you had pots. Wizards don't have that many HP's anyway so a few pots woulda done the trick. I carry a few hundred, they don't weigh that much.

I will say this though. If I give plat to a cleric I expect to get what I pay for. Sometimes I overpay them grossly, but if they accept then I expect to not have to worry about my HP bar in or out of battle.

[Clay]

You were absolutely in the right.

Any paladin or ranger that does not carry wands should have their accounts banned. Pronto.

Lol

I like this answer. You can carry it a little further...

Any melee that can't self heal and doesn't carry pots and doesn't carry wands to give a cleric should have their account banned.

[Sutek]

Lol, I completely agree with the op.

Next time it comes up, refer to the player complaining about it in this manner:

*looking at the xp report*
"Simplicimus' kill count with a babysitter: <insert actual number>"
"Simplicimus' kill count without a babysitter: <insert a MUCH lower number>"
"My kill count with a babysitter: <insert actual number>"
"My kill count without a babysitter: <insert same number>"

"Well Simplicimus, looks like the party could get along a lot better than you think with me replacing you as a tank. The recall button is in the top right corner of your screen, please don't cry too much on your way out."

ROFL can I use this in my cleric's in game BIO?

[Ironforge_Clan]

Just one more opinion to add to the list...you were totally right. I play all different types of characters with most of them being able to whip a wand. The one Barbarian I play who can't has an entire backpack tab filled with pots (always with over 100 cure serious). In addition just because I can't whip a wand it does not mean that I don't carry one or two for those who can. Having a cleric as my main I definitely know what it is like to be handed a wand, a scroll, or some cash to help out with the cost of being a healer.

Live and learn, just don't group with those characters again.

[Aspenor]

I was playing a battle cleric on STK and I was doing very well (although I was never the highest kills, but often tied with second place and within 8 of the highest kills), I kept everyone healed although I did have two people die through out the course of the campaign (But they went ahead of me by themselves as I was shrining when it happed while everyone else stayed and waited). No one brought anything up until after the campaign was over and almost everyone up for something else. I asked for the paladin and ranger if they could purchase wands to cure themselves and carry some pots of remove curse or whatever cure for any debuffs that may come on next quest because I was taking a large hit on my wallet and it would ease up on it.

However they start spewing that it was my job to keep them healed and they were tanks or damage dealers. I respond with saying it's not my job to baby sit them and one or two cure light wands won't hurt them but they continued saying it was my job to heal them and if I couldn't do that I shouldn't be playing cleric. So rather then put up with them I decided to just quit, when I play ranger (haven't play paladin) bard I always carry wands to self heal myself to take pressure off the cleric or save mana for something else.

What I was right for requesting people to carry wands and/or cures for debuffs for the quest you're going into and/or for leaving for not wanting to baby sit them. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with healing but sometimes people could share a burden even if it's just a small amount of help.

You were right and they were wrong. If you have the ability to self-heal with wands, you are OBLIGED to carry some, IMHO.

And everybody that can't self medicate should have pots to fix fear, curse, stat damage, and blindness.

[Yshkabibble]

I do agree with you on this one. However, like Mr. Wizard said above. If the players are new to the game it can be excused for ignorance and/or lack of plat. I would simply ask them if they were new. If so, then explain to them how your character is played, and that if they stay close, they will be healed. If they are experienced then they have no excuse and frankly are morons if they are getting killed in WW anyway. Good news is the jokes on them, you wont have any problems gettin another group hehe.

DDO offers more character options than any of its competitors that I have seen. From what I have seen in games like WOW or EQ2, when you pick a class, you pick a role/play style. Here there is a lot more depth to a character with many different ways to play within a class. Lots of new folks see cleric and expect you to stand in the back and be a healbot.

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

Yeah...Seems reasonable, to expect somone to be a little self sufficient.
Played too many support characters not to get that.

But please, Don't see this as a "I never heal anyone that can heal themselves" thread...It isn't....right?
PUGs are tough. Always BYOH...(Healing...lol) At least something...A stack potions and maybe a wand or two? To hand off if you cant use them.
:/
To the OP: Got burned last night. Not happy. I feel for yah man...

[Poad]

I was playing a battle cleric on STK and I was doing very well (although I was never the highest kills, but often tied with second place and within 8 of the highest kills), I kept everyone healed although I did have two people die through out the course of the campaign (But they went ahead of me by themselves as I was shrining when it happed while everyone else stayed and waited). No one brought anything up until after the campaign was over and almost everyone up for something else. I asked for the paladin and ranger if they could purchase wands to cure themselves and carry some pots of remove curse or whatever cure for any debuffs that may come on next quest because I was taking a large hit on my wallet and it would ease up on it.

However they start spewing that it was my job to keep them healed and they were tanks or damage dealers. I respond with saying it's not my job to baby sit them and one or two cure light wands won't hurt them but they continued saying it was my job to heal them and if I couldn't do that I shouldn't be playing cleric. So rather then put up with them I decided to just quit, when I play ranger (haven't play paladin) bard I always carry wands to self heal myself to take pressure off the cleric or save mana for something else.

What I was right for requesting people to carry wands and/or cures for debuffs for the quest you're going into and/or for leaving for not wanting to baby sit them. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with healing but sometimes people could share a burden even if it's just a small amount of help.

A battle cleric doesn't come to the boards and write a post asking "Am I wrong?". If your going to play any type of cleric your going to run into tools who think all you should do is heal them. Big deal. My advice is to stay away from playing clerics or grow a set.

[Lizzybrat]

A battle cleric doesn't come to the boards and write a post asking "Am I wrong?". If your going to play any type of cleric your going to run into tools who think all you should do is heal them. Big deal. My advice is to stay away from playing clerics or grow a set.

Thank you for posting the most uninformative, unhelpful, unnecessary post of the day.
And even more so, thank you for having your alts in your sig.

[juniorpfactors]

Heck No....you are actually teaching these muppets how to play smarter....as my moto---- "if playing a paly, ranger, rogue & soc "umd" WAND yourself 95&#37; of the time....cleric burst heals in battle to keep you alive only --- thats they way i play all my characters and i still cant understand palys who are 14 lvl and expect clerics to heal them in between fights "muppets" are everywhere ...just dont play with them next time....if those muppets cant understand they heal themselves and use pots of remove curse they are "muppets" drop them and go play with better players

[RTN]

Everyone who is able should carry heal wands. Everyone should carry healing potions (a big stack of them). They should be used to top off between battles or when things get really chaotic and a primary healer can't keep up. If you have a high UMD, then you should probably carry some rez and Heal scrolls for emergencies.

Everyone should carry lesser restoration potions, wands or clickies for the times you get a couple pts of stat damage or exhaustion. Everyone should carry remove curse, cure disease and cure poison potions or clickies. Why would you make a caster waste valuable mana on things that you can easily buy?! Clerics shouldn't have to ever cast remove curse or cure poison/disease, unless everyone is brand new to the game and doesn't have enough money to buy the potions or clickies.

Unless you're on your first character and still don't have any money, you should have enough money to buy either clickies or potions for all these conditions. It should be common sense.

[Uamhas]

I just can't resist a thread about cleric stuffs. Nope, you weren't in the wrong. Anyone in a class that can use wands that refuses to (even if it's just on themselves) can discover how quickly their redbar lasts without supplementing from my bluebar. There've been a couple times that I've had to use the tough love method: where I heal them enough to get them through combat, but leave their hitpoints where they ended the last swing on until the next mob. Mostly, though... it's been unnecessary.
And Mo is awesome. Like... totally.

[Lizzybrat]

And Mo is awesome. Like... totally.

You just love me cause I heal you ;)

[Ironforge_Clan]

You just love me cause I heal you ;)

And here I thought it was because you grew up in Danbury!

[Uamhas]

No.. no I swear... I love you for your mind!
*shifty eyes*

[Ironforge_Clan]

No.. no I swear... I love you for your mind!
*shifty eyes*

/puts on the hip boots since the stuff is getting pretty deep in here!

[Lizzybrat]

No.. no I swear... I love you for your mind!
*shifty eyes*

So when I start up my own 900 number you'll call often? :D

[Uamhas]

Mo darlin, if I had money to blow, it'd go to hearing you talk dirty to me.:D

[Lizzybrat]

A battle cleric doesn't come to the boards and write a post asking "Am I wrong?". If your going to play any type of cleric your going to run into tools who think all you should do is heal them. Big deal. My advice is to stay away from playing clerics or grow a set.

Thanks for the mail! Glad to know your maturity level knows no bounds!

[Uamhas]

*Puffs up, protects the Mo!... then petpetpets the Tatotot*
Tatty couldn't be prettier cuz it's Erda that runs her.

[Pyromaniac]

Definitely the OP is in the right. I find it gets better as you level, as people are more likely to carry the necessary wands/pots for quests.

Heck, I've been kicked from a group on my cleric cause I wouldn't cure disease after asking everyone multiple times to put on disease immunity items in Wiz King. They need you, don't worry you'll find another competent group to run with.

[Wotansdottir]

*Puffs up, protects the Mo!... then petpetpets the Tatotot*
Tatty couldn't be prettier cuz it's Erda that runs her.


You're so sweet :-) I should check back here more often, as I am missing a lot of Uma lovin'. Thank you, sweet thing.


~S~