Sigh

[Cheg]

So.

3 times i reported Aadfgre. 3 Times i recieved a reply from a senior GM. 3 times Aadfgre remained online.

Now it's all well and good putting preventions in place, like the trial account mail limiting, and the "must register with a credit card" stuff. But a few still get in. Those that do get in, should be dealt with by the GM's, if not the SENIOR GM.

I know the response to this already. "We cant do anything until they do something first". Bull. You tell me the last time Aashjgawe made it to level 2, or was a non plat-farmer character. Never. You tell me how many innocent people you will hurt by banning Ajhawe as soon as it's reported? Zero.

Why does there have to be a reason for it, when i know he is, the population knows he is, the GM probably knows he is, but nothing can be done because it some term someplace it states that you cannot be banned without doing anything.

Let's apply that in real life - You don't get sentenced for Intent to do this, or intent to do that - right? WRONG. If the police think your going to do something wrong, they'll stop you. They dont sit back and say "Hey Joe, that guy looks like he's about to shoot someone" "Oh, well he hasnt done it yet, lets wait and see if he does".

Yes it's yet another rant about plat farmers. Yes it's because its another time where nothing is being done.

Good day.

[Svetelana]

Why don't you report my mule while your at it. I inteded to transfer some things. Oh no! Something came up and I stayed logged on. Report me, report me!!!!!

I love sea lawyers! lol

[Cheg]

Is your name Asfdfd?

If it is, then yes, you deserve to be reported :D

By the way: 45 minutes after i first reported the guy, i recieved a spam email. But he couldnt of been a spammer, he didnt get banned back then!

[StanC]

Did he send you a plat tell or email ?
You cant ban someone just becuase they name their character ALKJPOIYUJ

[Cheg]

That is why this post was made. Because thats dumb. Show me proof of someone called Ahgasejawee becoming a legitimate character, who uctually levels up, and this argument is void. Until then its legit.

[StanC]

So you are saying that if I make a character named LJKJOKLJOUY and choose not to level him, I should be banned ?

[Svetelana]

Is your name Asfdfd?

If it is, then yes, you deserve to be reported :D

By the way: 45 minutes after i first reported the guy, i recieved a spam email. But he couldnt of been a spammer, he didnt get banned back then!

No, my mule is Asfdfe! Make sure you don't mix us up lol

Don't be a racial, errr...name profiler

[Cheg]

Then yes, you deserve to be :)

[rpasell]

Let's apply that in real life - You don't get sentenced for Intent to do this, or intent to do that - right? WRONG. If the police think your going to do something wrong, they'll stop you. They dont sit back and say "Hey Joe, that guy looks like he's about to shoot someone" "Oh, well he hasnt done it yet, lets wait and see if he does".



Unless they have probable cause then no they can't just arrest you without cause.

"Hey Joe, that guy looks like he's about to shoot someone" would mean he has drawn a gun and is threatening someone. Not he's standing there doing nothing and the cops arrest him anyway. That would be profiling and a civil rights violation. This attitude doesn't surprise me though, nor does the complete lack of understanding of police powers by the average American.

[Cheg]

Nice profiling that to be an American's judgement, but i am not American.

[Cheg]

But judging by the replies, everyone so far has indicated their willingness to recieve spam tells and emails and a regular basis.

I have fallen on deaf ears.

End of topic.

[Kreaper]

Cheg, you don't report people just because they have what you deem a stupid name. If they send you a spam mail or tell, THEN you turn them in.

[rpasell]

Nice profiling that to be an American's judgement, but i am not American.

My apologies then, I didn't realize you already lived in a police state. We aren't quite there yet.

[RictrasShard]

If someone has not yet broken any of the rules of DDO, they cannot and should not be punished. This applies in real life as well. If people were punished merely for looking suspicious, half our population would be in prison.

[WeaselKing]

That is why this post was made. Because thats dumb. Show me proof of someone called Ahgasejawee becoming a legitimate character, who actually levels up, and this argument is void. Until then its legit.

I don't know about that name but on Argonnesson I often see a high level (about 12, I think) fighter in a PUG on the LFM's named something like dfdglg. He might be a farmer for all I know but you would think they would be more clever than to have a name like that and pug. At any rate there is a counter example. Next time I see him I will try to remember to take a screenshot and deliver the proof. Maybe I'll even send him a tell and ask if he's a farmer.

Anyway some of those crazy names might just be acronyms like iepokplyfb could be "I eat pieces of kobold poo like you for breakfast". (You eat pieces of poo for breakfast?!?) Just a thought, but yes I do hate spammers and can't figure out why I get more mail from them (yes, mail) then I did before they limited trial account mailing.

[Aspenor]

If I want to name my level 1 MULE which will never see a quest jlhdagasdgadgak I am allowed to. The situation has been investigated, you are wrong.

[woodspider]

I recieved two mails from an unamed person(once on my wiz about 8 am est, and once on my fighter at 930 est), i reported them both times, they came about 1.5 hours apart, Now tell me why was this plat. seller on for a extra hour and half?

[Aspenor]

I recieved two mails from an unamed person(once on my wiz about 8 am est, and once on my fighter at 930 est), i reported them both times, they came about 1.5 hours apart, Now tell me why was this plat. seller on for a extra hour and half?

Everyone is entitled to their investigation.

[Down_Under_Down_Und]

I relate with the poster. Mules log in and out while spammers sit there for hours. I think there should be an ongoing in game event where everyone sends them tells and emails... This would slow them down and annoy them.. As well be fun... Run your toons around them attacking them too. Why not. It would make us all feel better. LOL Think about what it would be like if even 5 people were doing it....

[Kalanth]

I have known people with those kinds of names that were not plat farmers. Just because someone is to lazy to type a legible name does not a plat farmer make. Wait for the /tell or e-mail, and go from there.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

So.

3 times i reported Aadfgre. 3 Times i recieved a reply from a senior GM. 3 times Aadfgre remained online.

Now it's all well and good putting preventions in place, like the trial account mail limiting, and the "must register with a credit card" stuff. But a few still get in. Those that do get in, should be dealt with by the GM's, if not the SENIOR GM.

I know the response to this already. "We cant do anything until they do something first". Bull. You tell me the last time Aashjgawe made it to level 2, or was a non plat-farmer character. Never. You tell me how many innocent people you will hurt by banning Ajhawe as soon as it's reported? Zero.

Why does there have to be a reason for it, when i know he is, the population knows he is, the GM probably knows he is, but nothing can be done because it some term someplace it states that you cannot be banned without doing anything.

Let's apply that in real life - You don't get sentenced for Intent to do this, or intent to do that - right? WRONG. If the police think your going to do something wrong, they'll stop you.
Perhaps in your country. In this one, they can watch you, and look for something that is actually illegal. But just "looking suspicious" is not something they can arrest you for, and people have gotten court cases thrown out because they hadn't displayed "probably cause" for the police to arrest them. No matter what their intentions were, or if the police were correct in their guess at their intentions.
They dont sit back and say "Hey Joe, that guy looks like he's about to shoot someone" "Oh, well he hasnt done it yet, lets wait and see if he does".

Yes it's yet another rant about plat farmers. Yes it's because its another time where nothing is being done.

Good day.

Well, I'm pretty sure that one of my guildies has "asdfjkl" chosen as one of his characters. I'm pretty sure he'd be a little annoyed if he were to get banned just because you said he should be.

Reported for naming violation? Sure thing... Banned? No.

[Hence]

Ok, the police will not stop you from doing something.

My ex-girlfriend and I were driving, stopped at a red light, when all of a sudden a car pulls next to us with 2 guys and girl inside. It was her ex-boyfriend and some of his gangster cronies. They start shouting at us, but we ignore them and drive away when the light turns green. They speed ahead of us illegally, get right in front of us and slam on their breaks, they start getting out of their car, in the middle of the road. We pull around them and take off. Again they speed ahead and in front of us, this time trying to hit our car. We avoided the collision, and drove around them again. This happened about 5 times, they kept trying to run us off the road, get out, and beat me up.

We called the police, met an officer and described what was going on. The policeman said, did he hit your car? No! Because we were lucky enough to slam on our breaks and stop fast enough. Would he have hit our car had we not taken drastic measures? YES!

The policeman said, well, we cannot do anything about the alleged attack because no property was damaged... We should have let him hit our car, that way he would instantly have a warrant for a hit and run. Stupid isn't it?

So unless they have real evidence, it is just heresay.

[~KindoRaber]

I once received two tells from a single plat seller within 5 mins of one another, and then mail from the same one.

The group I was with decided it would be fun if we spammed him. So we did. Constantly, for 5-10 minutes. Then filled his mail box also. With a copper in each mail just so he can't delete it without opening it.

It was immature, but dang, it made us feel better :)

[wundernewb]

Let's apply that in real life - You don't get sentenced for Intent to do this, or intent to do that - right? WRONG. If the police think your going to do something wrong, they'll stop you. They dont sit back and say "Hey Joe, that guy looks like he's about to shoot someone" "Oh, well he hasnt done it yet, lets wait and see if he does".



The difference is, intent to commit certain crimes is a lesser crime in itself. In the above example, any charge of attempted murder, or assault with a weapon, would be laughed out of court. Yes, the cops could stop that guy from shooting someone today, but until the suspect actually does something illegal, he's free to try again and again until he gets to shoot somebody.

And while certain "intent" charges, are reasonably easy to convict, try convicting somebody for intent to harm another person. You'll need a whole lot more evidence than some police officer's suspicions.

[Kronik]

Name profiling is a bad thing.

The fact of the matter here is that you really do not know who is farming and selling their goods.

I have played since day one and have never seen a group of farmers running around. This leads me to

believe that some people in the game that you may see all the time might be the ones actually selling their

plat and gear. I just dont see how it is possible for all this farming to go with characters named ags;df;jkl.

I bet they only use those quick builds to deliver their illegal merchandise.

Just my opinion, and that is, I think your following the wrong lead.

[Cheg]

Name profiling is a bad thing.

The fact of the matter here is that you really do not know who is farming and selling their goods.

I have played since day one and have never seen a group of farmers running around. This leads me to

believe that some people in the game that you may see all the time might be the ones actually selling their

plat and gear. I just dont see how it is possible for all this farming to go with characters named ags;df;jkl.

I bet they only use those quick builds to deliver their illegal merchandise.

Just my opinion, and that is, I think your following the wrong lead.

On Ghallandra there is a guild called DDO Korea. Sprang out of nowhere with 15+ people who cant speak English. Thats my bet for where they get the goods.

[Kronik]

On Ghallandra there is a guild called DDO Korea. Sprang out of nowhere with 15+ people who cant speak English. Thats my bet for where they get the goods.

Could be, but they have to have groups on every server. You cannot transfer loot and plat from server to server.

[RictrasShard]

So, first advocating the concept of guilty until proven innocent, now advocating bigotry. I guess we can write you off as a troll, and ignore you from now on.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Let's apply that in real life - You don't get sentenced for Intent to do this, or intent to do that - right? WRONG. If the police think your going to do something wrong, they'll stop you. They dont sit back and say "Hey Joe, that guy looks like he's about to shoot someone" "Oh, well he hasnt done it yet, lets wait and see if he does". .

Actually you are totally wrong. The police need probably cause. Having a suspicious name isn't probable cause of anything, and that's pretty much all you have.



That is why this post was made. Because thats dumb. Show me proof of someone called Ahgasejawee becoming a legitimate character, who uctually levels up, and this argument is void. Until then its legit.

I've seen a mule by that name by a guildy who did it just because of people like you. He likes ****ing ppl off who make assumptions without facts.

[Down_Under_Down_Und]

People are using jurisprudence to discuss profiling due to the wierd names. Others getting offended for other reasons. I have yet heard one person put all the issues mentioned together and dispute the possibility that this profile = spammers. WIERD NAME;LEVEL 1;Sitting at the mailbox without being logged out for inactivity for hours. I have not heard anyone refute that these things put together = spammer. Great some level 14 cleric's name is #@$#$. I want to hear about a legitimate reason for some toon to have all three of these described characteristics. Peace Out

[rpasell]

People are using jurisprudence to discuss profiling due to the wierd names. Others getting offended for other reasons. I have yet heard one person put all the issues mentioned together and dispute the possibility that this profile = spammers. WIERD NAME;LEVEL 1;Sitting at the mailbox without being logged out for inactivity for hours. I have not heard anyone refute that these things put together = spammer. Great some level 14 cleric's name is #@$#$. I want to hear about a legitimate reason for some toon to have all three of these described characteristics. Peace Out

Lets keep beating this horse. I didn't see the OP say that person was sitting at the mail box inactively for hours. The problem is making assumptions without evidence. Circumstantial evidence is fine, when you have substantial evidence to back it up, otherwise what you have is a person with a weird name who happens to be level 1. I want spammers to be eliminated as much as anyone, but lets make sure they are actually spammers.

I am however resigned (and have been for a long time) to the fact that reason will almost never prevail in a forum such as this.

[Cheg]

Enjoy your spam mails. :)

[issiana]

Name profiling is a bad thing.

The fact of the matter here is that you really do not know who is farming and selling their goods.

I have played since day one and have never seen a group of farmers running around. This leads me to

believe that some people in the game that you may see all the time might be the ones actually selling their

plat and gear. I just dont see how it is possible for all this farming to go with characters named ags;df;jkl.

I bet they only use those quick builds to deliver their illegal merchandise.

Just my opinion, and that is, I think your following the wrong lead.

you would be correct sir. theres no way a lvl 1 character named rerkjteterte could get dragon scales etc. so there must be groups of high lvl farmers. why your never see them is most likey that they wont group with others, will be anonyamous and unguilded. if done right we'rd never even know they where doing it, and guess what .... we dont.

all we see is the expendable mules used for advertising and item transfers. it is possible that those mules are alts from a main account so if account flagging was to happe nthen maybe we might see a reduction of farming. just maybe.

p.s i also have had a HUGE increase in spam tells and mails lately and after talking to a korean player who was on the korean servers (he deffinatly wasnt a farmer as he said he hated playing with fellow koreans as they only wanted to loot and not mess around and have fun) i've come to the conclusion it increased about the time the korean servers where shut down.

does it bother me? sometimes.. but i just delete the mail carry on my way and ignore tells that come it.
should i report them? yeah iguess i should
do i? no because atm i see it as a waste of my time as nothing seems to get done about it.

[Cheg]

should i report them? yeah iguess i should
do i? no because atm i see it as a waste of my time as nothing seems to get done about it.

Ding. Even if every Dev's are on this forum saying "We are working very hard to remove them", how can that be so if they cant even accomplish the basics?

Now, the guy i was talking about, hadnt done anything yet. But it was obvious to anyone that he would. I reported him twice during that, but nothing happened, a senior GM just closed the ticket and said they were looking. I then recieved a mail from the guy, so i reported again. Once more a senior GM closes the ticket saying they are looking into it. How about they look as far as my mailbox? He still didnt get banned. There he sat, online for a while more.

Let's see where "profiling" would have got us - If Banning could be done because you know the characteristics.

Pro's

Guy would've been banned.
Me and whoever else wouldn't have recieved spam mail.
I wouldn't have wasted time keeping tabs on this guy, even when it turned out unfruitful.

Con's

None.

[issiana]

the best solution i've heard yet to the farmer troubles was to flag an account each time a spam mail report comes in. it wouldnt take to long to sort out what acount was doing it and then ban them for farming. sure that'd mean that nothing could happen straight away apart from the offending character being given a short term ban which would force them to ...

a/ stop what they are doing and actually play the game for fun.
b/ reroll another mail mule and carry on spamming

if b occured then yet another report from someone would cause another account flag. after so many (maybe 3-6) such flags the account got banned.

if I knew this was what turbine was "looking' into then i'd waste my time reporting them. until i know turbine is doing something then i just hit delete and carry on.

[Aesop]

I have known people with those kinds of names that were not plat farmers. Just because someone is to lazy to type a legible name does not a plat farmer make. Wait for the /tell or e-mail, and go from there.

Ya know Kal... way off topic here but anyway... I must say when I'm feeling a little blah your Electric Worry video always makes me feel better :)

Thanks

Aesop

[Grond]

Ding. Even if every Dev's are on this forum saying "We are working very hard to remove them", how can that be so if they cant even accomplish the basics?

Now, the guy i was talking about, hadnt done anything yet. But it was obvious to anyone that he would. I reported him twice during that, but nothing happened, a senior GM just closed the ticket and said they were looking. I then recieved a mail from the guy, so i reported again. Once more a senior GM closes the ticket saying they are looking into it. How about they look as far as my mailbox? He still didnt get banned. There he sat, online for a while more.

Let's see where "profiling" would have got us - If Banning could be done because you know the characteristics.

Pro's

Guy would've been banned.
Me and whoever else wouldn't have recieved spam mail.
I wouldn't have wasted time keeping tabs on this guy, even when it turned out unfruitful.

Con's

None.

Cons none, in this specific case. Now that you know he was a spammer. Let's take another of your cases, the DDO Korea guys. You're sure they're farmers, are you? Well, I have news for you, I play with them quite regularly. I don't think they're farmers at all, there's one guy that usually is lead that speaks English fairly well, the rest type it better than they speak it. If we're going to say they're farmers just because of their nationality, why aren't we going after the Austrailians also? We've got a large population of them on Ghalanda...

So, if we ban the DDO Korea guys on your say so, since they must be plat farmers in your opinion, because they don't speak English, I'd say the cons are pretty bad. I'd much rather they take their time and get the bans right than knee jerk ban anyone on your (or any other player's ) say so. If that means I've got to delete a few more emails, it's no big deal.

[Chrimson]

I agree with Cheg on this one, the spamming is out of control and annoying. Further, it is real simple for Turbine to fix it. In fact, they have the fix in place in LoTR. Trial accounts can't mail or send tells. Why is that so hard to implement in DDO? I believe WoW has the same criteria. Keep kidding yourself that aldkalj; is a legit name (or innocent until proven guilty). Or is it that your just flaming to get a reaction? I'll keep reporting aldkaj; or his friends everytime I see one standing at the mailbox until this is fixed. Everyone else should do the same. Instead of telling Cheg he's off base, everyone should be demanding the Turbine address this along with the ten thousand other issues they need to fix.

[Grond]

Keep kidding yourself that aldkalj; is a legit name (or innocent until proven guilty). Or is it that your just flaming to get a reaction? I'll keep reporting aldkaj; or his friends everytime I see one standing at the mailbox until this is fixed. Everyone else should do the same. Instead of telling Cheg he's off base, everyone should be demanding the Turbine address this along with the ten thousand other issues they need to fix.


Well, here's the deal. Say you report aldkaj every time you see him, without getting any email spam from him.

a) He could be a spammer, as happened to Cheg, and you got him, good for you.

b) He may not be a spammer, he may be an alt or a mule, aldkaj is quite pronounceable. For all I know, it might mean something in a language I don't speak. Learned that playing SWG with a bunch of folks from Europe, some of the Swedish (Nowegian? Can't remember exactly, maybe was Czech or Polish) names look like alphabet soup to me... We've got a Cmk on the server who is most definitly not a spammer... does that name fit your 'report on sight' criteria? If you report names like that on sight, before any evidence of wrongdoing, and the GMs check them out and find nothing wrong, you'll get a reputation as someone who reports things incorrectly, ala the little boy who cried wolf. Kind of hard to complain that no one listens to you when you get it wrong all the time... especially if you report the same person repeatedly and they're not a spammer.

As to not liking the attitude of 'innocent until proven guilty,' would you like for Turbine to ban you on another player's say so? Quite frankly, I'd rather they take the time to check your behavior out for themselves before banning you.

[Kreaper]

Cheg maybe the problem was that the guy wasn't sending spam. I was at the box a couple of days ago and got a spam from the guy standing next to me. I reported it. The guy vanished. Did the GM get him? I dunno. But I had mail from him on every one of my alts. It is more likely that he had sent all of his spam, saw me and sent me some too (New alt) and deleted his own guy.

I used to play with a guy that bought some plat. He told me that the people that are doing the farming are on regular characters and that the delivery alts are temps. You need to remember also that the delivery mules are not going to be on the same account as the playing alts. The farmers are shady. Don't you think they might stoop to credit card fraud and identity theft to get spam and delivery alts? Account flagging would be useless. They have all the time in the world to quick start some alts and do their deal. Why do you think it takes them a half hour of so to make an electronic delivery? They have to create a new mule every time.


As for the DDO Korea, well, DDO has recently started getting quite large in Korea. In fact, if I remember correctly, it has only recently launched in Korea.

[Attomic]

But judging by the replies, everyone so far has indicated their willingness to recieve spam tells and emails and a regular basis.

I have fallen on deaf ears.

End of topic.

That's because it just isn't that big of an issue, buddy. If it actually got in the way of gameplay, I'd be right there with you, but this is like wanting to sue City Hall because there are a few homeless people you have to walk around on your way to work - about 100% overreaction. It's a tiny, tiny issue and this is an overreaction. End of problem.

[akla_thornfist]

my mules name is dmkqmakla, gonna ban him hes been lev 2 for a year and a half, cant seem to get him to do any quest he is kind of lazy

[Kreaper]

Just thought I would let you guys know, they are on to us.

I was standing in the harbor Saturday morning on my brand new level two guy and all of a sudden"You've got mail!"...



Huh? Mail? But how can they find out so fast that I have a new guy? I even have him set to anonymous! So I turn and there he is. Standing right next to me was hktkthyuu. Oh maaaan... So I reported him and off I went to run some quests. About half way through Information I got a second spam. GRRRRRR!!!!! Well, beat the mission and hauled Dwaven hiney and made a bee line to the mail box. And there he was. Still standing there sending out spam! As I was running to the mail box, I noticed a message in general chat about this guy being there. YAY! I HAVE HELP!!! Within a few minutes there were four of us standing there jumping around this guy and swinging away causing a bit of stress I am sure. So then in general chat I say, let's all invite him to group! So we did! It didn't take too long with him not being able to do anything but decline invites and trade windows before he took off! YAY SOME MORE!!! We did it!!!

Well...

I was back on that afternoon and another canned, processed meat pusher was on. Off I went again!!! More fun!!! I go up to the mbox and check my mail and confirm that this is the guy that sent it. Yep, it was him! So I report him and send out my first invite and trade window...

...

(imagine the sound of crickets about now)

...


ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT (screeching brakes) Not so fast oh stubby legged one. It seems they figured out how to turn off invite and trade windows... :(


So now we need a new plan.

[iruka41]

On Ghallandra there is a guild called DDO Korea. Sprang out of nowhere with 15+ people who cant speak English. Thats my bet for where they get the goods.

Well this has been put long time ago, but I gotta put some comment on it.

In short, you made a worng bet.

DDO Korea ppl came from the Korean server, which is closed now.
(The company who published DDO in Korea managed this great game so poorly, ppl leaved.)
Those 15+ people came to Ghallanda because they liked the game and wanted to play more, even with the language barrier.

So, they are the opposite of plat farmers actually. They enjoy the game, prefer XP and raids than plats.

Think about, if DDO closes all servers in North America and Europe, leaving only Japanese server, where all other ppl speaks Japanese,
and if you still love this game and thus make a toon in that server in Japan, are you gonna be there for plat farming?
Not a Korean will want to farm with a languege barrier when there's already whole bunch of games to farm which is being serviced in their own laguege.
(i.e. Lineage, Lineage II, WoW, etc.)

One more thing, we (yes I am a member of DDO Korea too and I think I will have to use 'we' instead of 'they') have people who can speak English :)

[Lorien_the_First_One]

3 times i reported Aadfgre. 3 Times i recieved a reply from a senior GM. 3 times Aadfgre remained online.

Now it's all well and good putting preventions in place, like the trial account mail limiting, and the "must register with a credit card" stuff. But a few still get in. Those that do get in, should be dealt with by the GM's, if not the SENIOR GM.

I know the response to this already. "We cant do anything until they do something first". Bull. You tell me the last time Aashjgawe made it to level 2, or was a non plat-farmer character. Never. You tell me how many innocent people you will hurt by banning Ajhawe as soon as it's reported? Zero.

Actually I ran a few days ago with a alphabet soup char from a major guild, he said he did it as a joke and to **** off players who like to play cop.


Let's apply that in real life - You don't get sentenced for Intent to do this, or intent to do that - right? WRONG. If the police think your going to do something wrong, they'll stop you. They dont sit back and say "Hey Joe, that guy looks like he's about to shoot someone" "Oh, well he hasnt done it yet, lets wait and see if he does".

Actually you are wrong. In most civilized countries they can't detain you because they suspect something, they need evidence. Well except for all that anti terrorism legislation that's creeped into some countries that suspends your constitutional rights....

[feynman]

You are advocating indiscriminate banning of random players based on unsupported claims of circumstantial evidence about suspicious behavior in a virtual world. Now, what will you do after Turbine shuts down because they only have one player left?

At any rate, there is a much better way to fix spam: IP banning. Yes, we'll close off those NAT'd networks, but all you have to do is contact the ISP and ask THEM to trace the packets and block that individual customer; if they're stupid enough to have registered their REAL ddo account with the same name as their Internet account, then they'll be royally screwed. It's a little more work, but only for a little while....

[captain1z]

- thread necro

- cheg no longer plays DDO

- DDO Korea has gotten the seal of approval many times over (great guild ... no one is disputing that today)

- plat farmers and spammers............ we still got em /shrug

- this thread should be closed and forgotten.......... please

[suitepotato]

Nice profiling that to be an American's judgement, but i am not American.

You forget how our nation works. ANYONE is a potential American. Did you ever see Alien Nation? We don't care where people are from.

[knghtstalkr]

**** Necro!!!

I feel like I've been rickroll'd!!!

[captain1z]

**** Necro!!!

I feel like I've been rickroll'd!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


LOL

[DoctorWhofan]

Well this has been put long time ago, but I gotta put some comment on it.

In short, you made a worng bet.

DDO Korea ppl came from the Korean server, which is closed now.
(The company who published DDO in Korea managed this great game so poorly, ppl leaved.)
Those 15+ people came to Ghallanda because they liked the game and wanted to play more, even with the language barrier.

So, they are the opposite of plat farmers actually. They enjoy the game, prefer XP and raids than plats.

Think about, if DDO closes all servers in North America and Europe, leaving only Japanese server, where all other ppl speaks Japanese,
and if you still love this game and thus make a toon in that server in Japan, are you gonna be there for plat farming?
Not a Korean will want to farm with a languege barrier when there's already whole bunch of games to farm which is being serviced in their own laguege.
(i.e. Lineage, Lineage II, WoW, etc.)

One more thing, we (yes I am a member of DDO Korea too and I think I will have to use 'we' instead of 'they') have people who can speak English :)

Welcome to DDO America, where we accept everyone from jerks to nice people from foreign countries! Don't worry, I am sure there will be a ton of idiots who will say "Hey, DDO Korea = Plat farmers!" Like Plat farmers are going to advertise like that, and 2) putting everyone in the same grouping because of where they come from is a wonderful idea that should have died with WWII.

But this is America, thorns and all. Isn't the freedom of speech wonderful? Though, Turbine can govern that since this is a privatly owned site. It's just a matter of time before the thread closes!

However, to all of DDO Korea, welcome! We on THelanis has some real nice Aussies, Canadians, and South Americans. Glad to add another country to the party!

[ShadowHand2]

For the ones who do not know or are not aware, players have NO power to ban as alot seem the OP has done or wants done. You report, DDO does the rest. Before, I hear anyone whine that the OP or anyone reporting like this takes up GM time in game....may I remind you that OP has the right like anyone else to report. If the GM feels it is not important or a non-issue, that is THEIR choice. Not the rest of you who feel reports and the contents of them should be flirter through the masses. One person reporting as far as I am aware is equal to any other player in the game. All I see here is the cyber-bullies coming out to dictate to the OP what they feel falls under their idea of a legit report. I think the OP has a right to be pro-active in his reporting. Only time people even report is AFTER the fact. I also find it dis hearting to see people with opposing thoughts who also type in same thread that reporting is either a waste of time or they do not report anything....how can you have such strong opinions against the OP when at the start you make it know you care ZIP for the subject of reporting at hand?

For my fellow Americans, this applies to you.....in most states police can still hold you for questioning.....which most of you know this, but give the OP the impression that you need solid proof. The term "proof" seems to get tossed around by thread closers as I have seen happen time after time. You always demand proof of something but the real truth is the proof you are interested in is to inflame people. Think about this, one persons proof of something means something else to each person looking at it right? Look at a glass of water, is it half full or half empty.....it means something else to each person. It boils down to that is is ambiguous.

I also find it distasteful to inject the OP's intent as if he might have been talking about a player with a mule or such of same name type. Like " My mule has similar name....I must be a spammer too?" Really now, unless that toon was in same place/time/server as the OP observed I am pretty sure your wrong and only stated such things to flame. Stop trying to label it as profiling or some other negative subject matter that only means is to make the OP's subject of less value by doing such things. I also see tactic of thread closers stating they think the tread should be closed......a clue they wish to have the thread closed by any means necessary.

More then likely it will be closed by cyber-bullies in DDO forums. See, what I learned is DDO does not stop bullies from closing threads. You can have 99% of people on a thread acting mature, then you get that 1% who have DDO wrapped around their fingers. I say this because DDO can issue all the infraction points they want to them, only thing is the thread the bullies intended to get closed...gets closed anyways and locked out. End result, real forum goers get displaced and shut down from doing what is within the terms of forums they can do. Bullies get what they want 100% of the time on here. I think DDO needs to re-work their polices on cyber-bullies they have on forums. Delete and remove THEIR stuff and leave a thread be until the thread losses people's interest, but do not shut out legit players posting stuff because of a small group.

[Strakeln]

That is why this post was made. Because thats dumb. Show me proof of someone called Ahgasejawee becoming a legitimate character, who uctually levels up, and this argument is void. Until then its legit.My next character will be a random grouping of hastily typed characters, to give you hall monitors something to do.

[Jondallar]

Just spoke with an ex guildy who came back after a bunch of time off. His chars all had zxtjlkj type names. He came back to a closed acct and had to start fresh

[Razvan]

Ok, the police will not stop you from doing something.

My ex-girlfriend and I were driving, stopped at a red light, when all of a sudden a car pulls next to us with 2 guys and girl inside. It was her ex-boyfriend and some of his gangster cronies. They start shouting at us, but we ignore them and drive away when the light turns green. They speed ahead of us illegally, get right in front of us and slam on their breaks, they start getting out of their car, in the middle of the road. We pull around them and take off. Again they speed ahead and in front of us, this time trying to hit our car. We avoided the collision, and drove around them again. This happened about 5 times, they kept trying to run us off the road, get out, and beat me up.

We called the police, met an officer and described what was going on. The policeman said, did he hit your car? No! Because we were lucky enough to slam on our breaks and stop fast enough. Would he have hit our car had we not taken drastic measures? YES!

The policeman said, well, we cannot do anything about the alleged attack because no property was damaged... We should have let him hit our car, that way he would instantly have a warrant for a hit and run. Stupid isn't it?

So unless they have real evidence, it is just heresay.


Want to hear something even more stupid: If you would ahve hit his car from behind while he applied his brakes, it would have been you who was at fault! Gotta love american democracy!

[Baron]

Having a Koren wife and family and having lived there for many years I can tell you I understand whuy DDO Korea would move to an American server over a Japanese one after the Korean one was closed down. No love between those two countries at all. Congrats on the move. Hope you are adjusting to the slower connections well.

Anyway, Last Christmas I created a new toon to send my secret Santa stuff to each of my Guildies. In the time it took for me to move the gifts to that toon and mail the items out from that toon and then delete the toon afterward I got more hate mail and tells from folks thinking I was a spammer than I ever thought possible. Seeing as I deleted the toon right after sending all the presents out I am sure I fit the profile of a spammer in Turbines eyes as well.

I suggest people not unwind on someone until they actually get some spam from them.

Also: Possible Good news for the future, I have heard there may be a DDO server added back to Korea at about the same time as the LODR expansion there.

[query]

Logic and Reason were beaten into a pulp by them; Logic and Reason for them are dead as the horse between the two.

[jaitee]

isnt this like a 8 month old post? eeeerrrrrr