Dragonmarks and Extend Spell

[Knightrose]

Do they work together?

If I take Extend Spell and use a Glove of Invulnerability (Sentinel) Dragonmark, will it last longer?

[Kalanth]

No. The metamagic feats are for magic themselves, and not the spell like abilities. Now, there are items in the PnP campaign setting that will do this, but wether Turbine brings them into DDO or not is another story.

[MrCow]

The metamagic feats are for magic themselves, and not the spell like abilities.

And yet... how many halfling dragonmarked builds have we seen taking all three dragonmark feats along with maximize and empower because they work on the variable heals (cure light/cure serious)?

DDO bent this rule to help keep the usability of dragonmarks more viable, so I wouldn't be surprised to see if extend will extend dragonmarks. Easiest way to test is to make a level 1 human wizard and see if the least sentinel dragonmark can be extended.


Edit:

Ok, I made a flesh bag wizard for testing purposes on this and have confirmation that the dragonmarks are extended:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/Ukenburger/Forum/ScreenShot00302.jpg

And for the heck of it, quicken also makes the dragonmark cast faster, although thats not something you are likely to worry about.

One flesh bag was killed after the test results were verified. :D

[Strakeln]

No. The metamagic feats are for magic themselves, and not the spell like abilities. Now, there are items in the PnP campaign setting that will do this, but wether Turbine brings them into DDO or not is another story.Tsk tsk tsk. Response without actual knowledge, just a lot of assumptions.

[MrCow]

There are plenty of things I have posted out of assumption too only to kick myself in the head after someone pointed out otherwise, or I found out myself I was an idiot and presumed too soon. It happens to all of us.

I mean, for instance, I assumed Ice Flensers used CHA as their spell-like ability stat. I was wrong. Of all the mental stats it is based off of WIS, which is kinda silly when you get down to it. The flenser is using arcane spell-like abilities [Niac's and Cone of Cold] (so I would think either INT or CHA) only to find out that they are WIS-based. Even more insane was that their Ice Shards spell-like ability seems to actually be no-stat based. :confused:

Information via assumption of the rules can be horridly false information. It took me a while to learn that one myself so I now put disclaimers in.

[Strakeln]

There are plenty of things I have posted out of assumption too only to kick myself in the head after someone pointed out otherwise, or I found out myself I was an idiot and presumed too soon. It happens to all of us.That's why I went with "tsk tsk tsk" instead of "you freakin ******** redheaded stepchild!" :p

I've found the solution to be - as you said - to put a disclaimer in when I am not 100% certain. As in, "I think that they would not effect dragonmarks, but I have not tested myself".

[MTG]

Extend works with passage. Thats the only one ive taken

[Tanka]

I know I could Extend Passage on a Cleric, but I haven't tried to take Extend on a non-caster to verify.

I'll give it a go sometime to be sure.

[moorewr]

Yes, metamagics work on marks in DDO.

I built a 1 Bard / 5 Fighter (he'll end up 1/13) with the Mark of Shadows - and took extend for my displacements. Works great.

He runs with an ASF of 85%, and I could care less. I do use the songs now and then, and focusing chant has no asf, so I grab the extra +1 now and then.

[Tanka]

The question is not whether a metamagic feat will work on a Dragonmark, the question is if non-casters can take those metamagics. :p

[Strakeln]

The question is not whether a metamagic feat will work on a Dragonmark, the question is if non-casters can take those metamagics. :pNow that is an interesting question. I built up a fighter in the character generator, and according to that, the answer is "no". Haven't tried it in DDO.

Guess that would mean that multi-classing with any other class except fighter/barbarian/rogue would be required.

[Fennario]

The question is not whether a metamagic feat will work on a Dragonmark, the question is if non-casters can take those metamagics. :p

They can not. The feats are not even on the list at character creation. And choosing a Dragonmark does not open them up either. In fact, a Ranger or Paladin can not choose a metamagic at creation either. Only once they get their spells. I've never tested with Fred, so I don't know what is possible by using shards and swapping around feats.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

Extend works on Dragonmarks. I have a human Cleric with extended Expeditious Retreat.

[Kalanth]

That's why I went with "tsk tsk tsk" instead of "you freakin ******** redheaded stepchild!" :p

I've found the solution to be - as you said - to put a disclaimer in when I am not 100% certain. As in, "I think that they would not effect dragonmarks, but I have not tested myself".

I do take offense either way, but that is neither here nor there. I did make the assumption based on the fact that the feats do not work in that manner in PnP. Good to know that I am wrong, not that I would ever make a fighter with Extend just to make Shield of Faith last longer, but its an idea.

[Nuckin]

yes they work and no metamagic feats cannot be taken by classes that cannot cast spells, and can only be taken by classes that cast spells if they meet the min lvl of spells able to be cast. Eg extend spell u need to be able to cast 1st lvl spells so couldnt be taken by a fighter but could be taken by a ranger at lvl 4 when they get their first lvl spells, or u could just always splash a lvl of spell caster that gets spells at 1st level :)

[Strakeln]

...not that I would ever make a fighter with Extend just to make Shield of Faith last longer, but its an idea.How about empowered heal and cure spells?

I was thinking about halfling fighter10/rog2/wiz2... access to metamagics, evasion, lots of feats, able to self-cast 2 minutes of shield (4 with extend). Would make a very interesting self-sufficient high AC two-handed weapon of destruction.

[QuantumFX]

Extend Spell works with the Elven Dragonmarks of Shadow. (Invisibility and Displacement) Look up Malrani for a demonstration.