What's the deal?

[Suzaku]

I had a couple of clerics leave because I like to go ahead of the group and kill monsters ahead of the group. Now I use wands to keep myself healed and don't really rely on the cleric on heals in fact most of the time I tell them to back off unless I'm close to dead.

[XFracture]

Zerging isn't particularly appealing to a good portion of this server. While it was the norm and expected by many when the servers merged (different communities with different customs) it's still frowned upon by alot of people.

More than likely that's what happened. Just move on and forget about it bro.

[Kerr]

Some people don't like zergers or people who can't be a team member.

I'm one of them.

If you want to solo, why group with a Cleric or much anyone else at all? You can always step into a quest by yourself and not waste anyone elses time.

[Jundak]

*Pfft*

Just continue to have fun doing what you're doing, man...just don't get mad at the cleric if you die or happen to be out-of-range for healing. Hell...the last three days of levelling, I've been in more groups with no cleric than not. Cleric's are nice to have around, but not an absolute necessity. Especially if you can self-heal with wands/potions. Don't let a few people get your panties in a bunch...and definitely don't let anyone try to direct how you should play.

If you want to be a zerging psychopath, then so be it! :cool:

[Impaqt]

I love Zerging...... WHen thats how the group decides to run a quest.....
Vons 1-4 in 45Minutes... SIgn me up.....


But when 1 out of 6 is on the Zerg Plan, it flat out ruins the instance. What fun is the quest if the quest consists of getting to areas that are already cleared, or catching up to someones soulstone?

It has nothng to do with how well you take care of your self.. If you Zerg ahead of the group, You beter take care of yourself. I'm not wasting my time or Mana tryng to keep up healing you. I get enough Out of range and Blocked messages when the groups are sticking together.

[juniorpfactors]

I love Zerging...... WHen thats how the group decides to run a quest.....
Vons 1-4 in 45Minutes... SIgn me up.....


But when 1 out of 6 is on the Zerg Plan, it flat out ruins the instance. What fun is the quest if the quest consists of getting to areas that are already cleared, or catching up to someones soulstone?

It has nothng to do with how well you take care of your self.. If you Zerg ahead of the group, You beter take care of yourself. I'm not wasting my time or Mana tryng to keep up healing you. I get enough Out of range and Blocked messages when the groups are sticking together.


thats what I hate ...i see your health drop ..your a mile away but i dont know that---> i waist my time trying to heal you and all i get is------>Out of range and Blocked messages

if you and 2 others are taking hits and you are blocked I am waisting my efforts getting these messages when my teamates could be getting helped that are in range

[~Trilou]

in fact most of the time I tell them to back off unless I'm close to dead.

wow... you can do it all on your own... unless your about to die... then you want help??? Did you read your post before you submitted it?

[Jundak]

Nope...not disagreeing with you two at all. If you're the cleric and said Zerging Psychopath is way ahead, then just don't heal him at all. As a matter of fact, ignore his red bar completely. If you are catching up to his soulstone, make him a pocket zerger: NO RAISE FOR YOU! That's the price you pay when you zerg...it comes with the territory.

If I died while zerging ahead, I'd be downright shocked if the party cleric gave me a raise. But that's just me.

[Kerr]

There's a difference between doing a fast run for prereqs for a raid or intentionally zerging a quest to get it done for faction or whatever. This guy, however, has stated he wants to stay ahead of the rest of the group and asks the rest of the group to back off while he runs the quest. That's the kind of zerging I can't abide, and that's the kind of corpse I'd leave to rot in a quest if he died. Of course, as soon as he recalls, kick him from the group and invite a team player.

[Rayzorlew]

I had a couple of clerics leave because I like to go ahead of the group and kill monsters ahead of the group. Now I use wands to keep myself healed and don't really rely on the cleric on heals in fact most of the time I tell them to back off unless I'm close to dead.

Long live the ZERGER's!
The way I figure it on my cleric is, as long as you don't get me killed, and your keeping yourself alive, cool.
Now, if some idiot run's off and get's killed......man they hate it when a cleric carries their stone through a quest.
Then drop's it at the end chest. ;)
........But it sounds like your fine.

[Clay]

impaqt makes a good point tho.

Anyone who knows me (hey LostinJapan) I love to zerg, but am pretty independent. However, i always make that clear at the beginning of the quest. I agree with the opinion of that if 5 out of 6 are not interested in zergin, it is not any fun to run through a completed quest.

My advise to the OP, is not that you are doing anything "wrong" just that you should be clear at the beginning, before the quest is started. then there are no surprises for anyone. The other 5 are not there to support you should trouble arise. They are there for their own entertainment as well.

[juniorpfactors]

well if he is running ahead gets in trouble and brings the whole world back with him....thats when the clerics probably walk

[Pittminion]

I like a good zerg, it's the bad zergs I hate. If you are going to charge ahead by yourself, you **** well better be able to take care of yourself. But one rusher in a party of butterfly watchers is not a good thing. The will get bored with seeing nothing but bodies, or a trainwreck you caused by rushing through a doorway and breaking your train. For a good zerg, EVERYONE needs to be on the same page. Period. It's all zerg or no zerg.

[Renegade66]

PotP is a good example. I hate standing around waiting for lower life forms to continue getting lost and getting themselves owned by the two puny dwarves on the way out to the quest. Or, waiting for people who feel they need to run to House K to buy a few Lesser Restore pots before making it to the quest. This is especially painful when I can clear to the top with my sorc and recall for mana and get back while the rest of the crew is high-fiveing themselves for running the gauntlet and actually making it to the quest. It continues to confound me why people would not appreciate the head start on the grind. With that said, I'll ask if the group minds if I start clearing. Typically, they'll say yes and away I go. Sometimes they say no and I just recall and move onto something less painful.

Zergers that run ahead, get killed and leave a mess for everyone else all the while crying for a heal, suck. Simply clean up their mess once, pick up their stone and drop it in the nearest lava pit. You can quickly tell these idiots from the guys that know what they are doing but happen to get unlucky and get killed (e.g rolling a 1 on hold person). The latter zergers most likely will recall and catch back up to the rest of the group before it causes a disruption anyway.

Zergers that know what they are doing, really speed up the time requirement per quest and help ensure your success. Try to keep up. You'll learn a lot. If you don't like them in your group, just put "no zergers" in your LFM. Zergers will never join a group with that shown in the LFM.

Zergers get a bad rap when it really should be the dingleberries that waste everyone's time getting killed or screwing around instead of getting out to the quest. If you can't make to the quest alive, you probably aren't going to add much value in the quest.

[juniorpfactors]

I was assuming he is a low level new player.....high end, gear characters have at it

[Lizzybrat]

For a good zerg, EVERYONE needs to be on the same page. Period. It's all zerg or no zerg.

Amen.

And when that happens it's not zerging, it's efficient use of time management.

I'm all for the zerg. H3ll, I am not sure my boys can do anything but (love you guys!) but there is a difference between zerging as a group and thinking you are uber by yourself. Most of those people end up dragging everything back with them. Not only that but why in the world would I want to be in a group where one person gets to do everything. How horribly boring for the rest of the party. If I am going to let one person have all the fun why am I logged on to a video game?

[Clay]

But Ren, you are missing an important point.

You ask. Tell, inform... whatever. And if the answer is no... YOU recall, and drop.

You don't just start it up and expect everyone to thank you for "doing all the work--let's get some applause--see-how-uber-I-am."

BIG difference.

If I am in a group, on a non-capped character, I hate going into a quest, regardless of whether or not I have gone to House P to get some buffs, zoning in and finding I am starting with and 80% xp penalty--WITH NO PRIOR DIALOGUE. That is just rude and selfish play and I would drop such a group.

[Braegan]

Well I agree that it is great time management if everyone is all about zerging. I myself like to charge ahead alot, and well if I get in something over my head I'll take a death rather than bring all of hell back to the party. But I play my cleric alot, sometimes more than my main - which is weird, but I don't ever let it bother me if someone runs ahead and dies. I don't get stressed out, I don't yell, I don't get mad. When I get to you and mob up any mess you're around I'll rez you and send you back into the fray. And if I do get some annoying lil' chump who keeps asking for a rez I let them know that right now they are not a priority and to sit tight...a rez will be coming soon.

But it comes down to what you see posted all over these boards is lack of communication makes a party lame. If I am in a slow-paced newer to quest/game group I won't leave em behind, if I am with a bunch of crazy, haste-adicts I'll keep up. But if I don't know the plan...well than I make up my own and not everyone likes my plans :D

[Olaustt]

I had a couple of clerics leave because I like to go ahead of the group and kill monsters ahead of the group. Now I use wands to keep myself healed and don't really rely on the cleric on heals in fact most of the time I tell them to back off unless I'm close to dead.

Well if you can run the quest by yourself why don't you just go solo and not have to deal with other people. A lot of what I enjoy about the group is the social interaction while killing monsters I enjoy sticking with the group. When I feel like I don't want to talk or deal with anybody I go solo.

[Ghoste]

Some people don't like zergers or people who can't be a team member.

I'm one of them.

If you want to solo, why group with a Cleric or much anyone else at all? You can always step into a quest by yourself and not waste anyone elses time.
You've got an interesting definition of wasting time. You are suggesting that speeding the quest up, as opposed to always waiting for everyone else, results in their time being "wasted".

I think you mean something more along the lines of wrecking someone's sense of immersive game play by not playing how they want you to play, or at the pace they want.

But as far as wasting time, nope, quite the opposite in fact. That's why zergers and crawlers dont get along so well. Zergers ruin the crawlers' experience, and crawlers waste the zergers' time. That blade cuts both ways.

Another thing, zergers and non-team player are two terms often used synonomously, but aren't. It's a thing of beauty to see a party full of zergers split up and work together smoothly to simultaneously complete various quest objectives.

Let me put forward the notion to you that people who ask others not to split up, even if they can very safely split up to complete objectives, are not team players, but socialites, which is a very different creature that is often mistaken for a team player.

[Clay]

Another thing, zergers and non-team player are two terms often used synonomously, but aren't. It's a thing of beauty to see a party full of zergers split up and work together smoothly to simultaneously complete various quest objectives.

Hear hear.

Wow. I am actually in agreement with Ghoste about something! ;)

[Suzaku]

What I meant by zerging is going ahead while people standing still and then dragging out mobs back to the group with as little as possible. I take minimimal damage but sometimes I get that unlucky critical hit or pulled too much mobs. But I'll just often just use wands to heal myself and or top off members. Granted if I don't know the area I'll just back off to learn the layout and/or traps.

[TechNoFear]

What I meant by zerging is going ahead while people standing still and then dragging out mobs back to the group with as little as possible.

Do you ask if everybody is ready before you zerg off?

I hate it when players run off while I am casting buffs (and they miss you), I cast buffs so I have to heal you less. Casting them twice is not conserving my mana.

I hate it when we stop so I can heal ALL the players (it may take some time if I am using wands to conserve mana) and one player runs off (after I have healed him but) before I am finished healing the rest of the party.

Then they bring back the mobs and I have to struggle to keep everybody alive (and use lots of mana healing that I could use on fun things like holding, commanding, dismissing).

[Ghoste]

Do you ask if everybody is ready before you zerg off?

I hate it when players run off while I am casting buffs (and they miss you), I cast buffs so I have to heal you less. Casting them twice is not conserving my mana.

I hate it when we stop so I can heal ALL the players (it may take some time if I am using wands to conserve mana) and one player runs off (after I have healed him but) before I am finished healing the rest of the party.

Then they bring back the mobs and I have to struggle to keep everybody alive (and use lots of mana healing that I could use on fun things like holding, commanding, dismissing).
Do you ask if everyone wants to wait for you while you drag your feet? Do you ask if everyone wants to crawl as opposed to fast power leveling? If you do, you're unique; I've never been asked.

Fortunately I have managed to find a lot of friends who like my ninja-wizard-zerging, and as a result it can be difficult grouping with pugs who have an unspoken expectation for me to sit still.

[Olaustt]

Do you ask if everyone wants to wait for you while you drag your feet? Do you ask if everyone wants to crawl as opposed to fast power leveling? If you do, you're unique; I've never been asked.

Fortunately I have managed to find a lot of friends who like my ninja-wizard-zerging, and as a result it can be difficult grouping with pugs who have an unspoken expectation for me to sit still.



No I prefer to post in my LFM if im Zerging or Not......... that way I do not have to ask, and rely on the other persons attention to detail and I can say I told You So, LOL.

[Suzaku]

Do you ask if everybody is ready before you zerg off?

I hate it when players run off while I am casting buffs (and they miss you), I cast buffs so I have to heal you less. Casting them twice is not conserving my mana.

I hate it when we stop so I can heal ALL the players (it may take some time if I am using wands to conserve mana) and one player runs off (after I have healed him but) before I am finished healing the rest of the party.

Then they bring back the mobs and I have to struggle to keep everybody alive (and use lots of mana healing that I could use on fun things like holding, commanding, dismissing).

No (or yes) but if you're goofing off talk about who won Cowboys game or what was that new episode of family guy for 5-10 minutes or so I'm going to pull something to get people back into the game. Now I don't care if you talk about cowboy but please continue playing the game, not glorified chat room with 3D graphics.

P.S. If you pause once in awhile I'll ask before pulling but not every 5 minutes for 5 minutes of 'gameplay'.

[Purgatory]

What I meant by zerging is going ahead while people standing still and then dragging out mobs back to the group with as little as possible. I take minimimal damage but sometimes I get that unlucky critical hit or pulled too much mobs. But I'll just often just use wands to heal myself and or top off members. Granted if I don't know the area I'll just back off to learn the layout and/or traps.


hahah this so funny, and you cant figure out why cleric leave?

[Braegan]

hahah this so funny, and you cant figure out why cleric leave?

you're cleric left cuz they are lame and cannot keep up! shoot me an invite when I am on Phalse and not busy and I'll both zerg with you and keep up in kills:p

P.S. I'm done being nice! You took the snake into your home when he was sick and wonder why he bit you afterwards?

[Lizzybrat]

Maybe I am having a senior moment, but your original post you mention going off and killing mobs AHEAD of the party then now you are stating you PULL mobs BACK to the party.

Soooo, which is it? Are you zerging or pulling. Inquiring minds want to know.

[Braegan]

Maybe I am having a senior moment, but your original post you mention going off and killing mobs AHEAD of the party then now you are stating you PULL mobs BACK to the party.

Soooo, which is it? Are you zerging or pulling. Inquiring minds want to know.

You are not having a senior moment...it was all the beer I offered you in the other post :D

[Lizzybrat]

You are not having a senior moment...it was all the beer I offered you in the other post :D

*whispers* Jack Daniels gets me drunk faster and is much better tasting *nods solemnly*

[Suzaku]

Maybe I am having a senior moment, but your original post you mention going off and killing mobs AHEAD of the party then now you are stating you PULL mobs BACK to the party.

Soooo, which is it? Are you zerging or pulling. Inquiring minds want to know.

I was having a senior moment and was last playing Ranger which I usually run backwards firing arrows.

[Lizzybrat]

I was having a senior moment and was last playing Ranger which I usually run backwards firing arrows.

So you were firing into the party then? No wonder why they won't heal you, they are too busy ducking incoming friendly fire. :D

[Braegan]

*whispers* Jack Daniels gets me drunk faster and is much better tasting *nods solemnly*

noted :D

[Ringos]

So, you run ahead and kite groups of bad guys back into the party and wonder why the cleric may be miffed...is that correct?

I would probably suggest running things solo or finding others that want to play the same style as you. If people jump in a pug, unless otherwise stated, they have expectations (not right or wrong) on how someone will play. The other day my newish cleric ran with a Sorcerer who decided to melee 3/4 of the time. He wasn't dealin' much pain, but he was getting beat up pretty good. As a cleric this p!ssed me off, as keeping him alive (2-3 hits and he would be dead) caused me to become less offensive and it prolonged the battles. Sure, I could have stopped healing him and drug him to the shrines along the way, but it's not my style. If you are in my party, I'm keeping you alive if I can. Now that I know HIS style however, I will chose not to run with him again.

[Renegade66]

Sure, I could have stopped healing him and drug him to the shrines along the way, but it's not my style.

He's missing out on a learning experience and you're missing out on a lot of fun.

[Suzaku]

So, you run ahead and kite groups of bad guys back into the party and wonder why the cleric may be miffed...is that correct?

I would probably suggest running things solo or finding others that want to play the same style as you. If people jump in a pug, unless otherwise stated, they have expectations (not right or wrong) on how someone will play. The other day my newish cleric ran with a Sorcerer who decided to melee 3/4 of the time. He wasn't dealin' much pain, but he was getting beat up pretty good. As a cleric this p!ssed me off, as keeping him alive (2-3 hits and he would be dead) caused me to become less offensive and it prolonged the battles. Sure, I could have stopped healing him and drug him to the shrines along the way, but it's not my style. If you are in my party, I'm keeping you alive if I can. Now that I know HIS style however, I will chose not to run with him again.

Hmm you're right no one was complaining about me rushing last night, and I couldn't go afk for 15 min and find no one has moved. Although one time I was told to speed it up the pulling...