My biggest pet peeve.

[Thargorv]

Been playing since Beta and I've noticed there's one thing that just gets under my skin for some reason and I thought I'd post to see how others feel about it.

I absolutely hate joining a group and someone in it grilling me about my stats to make sure I'm up to par for whatever we're running. Biggest example is in the Reaver Raid a lot of times when I'm playing my tank I get asked my AC, Damage output, etc. What's it matter? You wanna take on the Reaver go ahead, want me to do it cool I will. What's my AC? At about 72 degrees right now as I like to keep it cool in the house lol. Worse is when I play my cleric and someone starts badgering me about how much my heals do. Pester me about it and they heal for 0 as far as you're concerned...hope ya got potions.

The truth is I don't keep track of stuff like that....cause I don't care. All I note is when I tank I generally lead kills and when I cleric I rarely let a party member die.

This bug anyone else?

[iconiclastic]

I play my sorc.T'slanil most of the time and I specked him to be balanced between giving it the finger and burning it down or freezing it solid.I dont change spells out.I am sick of being told I need to get disintigrate,especially for a few stinkin quests that drop lousy loot.Does anyone else think that the silver flame is a waste of mainframe space?Also watch your combat log while fighting the black abbot,the dice are rolling funny for me and I'd like to know if it was just a fluke.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

Here's my latest pet peeve: was in a PUG Reaver Raid and a discussion ensued about the Head of Good Fortune dropping. Somebody said that only non-casters should roll on it and casters should allow the non-casters to roll on it because.... wait for it.... casters have Pearls of Power in their trinket slots and don't need the Head of Good Fortune. LMFAO! Talk about ignorant in the classic definition of the the word! My bards use Magi Weapons, not Pearls. The mummified bat is in most of my trinket slots. ANY of my characters can use the head of good fortune, if it shows up in my Raid Chest, I fully intend to keep it.

Again, players making assumption about how other characters are set up and then trying to enforce the ridiculous "Need before Greed" argument for raid loot really annoy me. As far as I'm concerned, the "Need before Greed" people tend to be the greediest bunch out there because their "assumptions" about how a character should be built show them to be an arrogant lot looking for excuses as to why someone else SHOULDN'T have something rather than the other way around. Utter hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned.

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

I just growl at them...and kill things...
and occasionally just go mic dead.

[Qzipoun]

Don't you think that the person doing a specific task should be the best at doing so? I'm referring to being asked your AC for the reaver: Why would YOU tank the Reaver if someone else has more hitpoints and a higher armor class. If it didn't matter, sorcerers would be tanking him...

If you're in a pug group, people can't just assume what type of character you are. Just because you belong to one class or another doesn't mean anything. My ranger can tank the reaver better than most fighters I have played with so I ALWAYS ask what they're AC is. Why bother having a guy sitting in front of a huge giant getting wacked and have a cleric desperately trying to keep him alive when you can have a self-healing ranger tanking him and rarely getting hit.

Now as to asking about your cleric's healing ability I would be bothers by that for two reasons. First, it really does not matter, it is safe to assume my cleric can heal people and will do his best doing so. Second, whatever I say someone will brag about how their cleric is better just for the sake of bragging.

[Qzipoun]

Here's my latest pet peeve: was in a PUG Reaver Raid and a discussion ensued about the Head of Good Fortune dropping. Somebody said that only non-casters should roll on it and casters should allow the non-casters to roll on it because.... wait for it.... casters have Pearls of Power in their trinket slots and don't need the Head of Good Fortune. LMFAO! Talk about ignorant in the classic definition of the the word!

I fail to see how that is ignorant. MANY caster classes use pearls of powers or other similar trinkets. It is a very safe assumption to make. How about not calling a person ignorant and simply explaining to them how you are built differently.

So I guess my pet peeve is people getting angry when others make assumptions about their build.

[Laggin]

Well this game to some people is all about the perfect party. Thats where all the

questions and suggestions come from. I just lie and smile when I'm asked my

stats for trivial things like attacking the Reaver.

To the OP the kill count is not a totally accurate stat. I have a ranger that is

always in the top 2 and I do zero physical damage, but I will

puncture/curse/hamstring the ***** outta them.

I have a good cleric as well, but people will die. If they run off, or are behind

the pillar, or well maybe there just a jagoff?

I just don't like some people's elitist attitude, I was in a party with a

ranger(yes a ranger) and I had to ask for Barkskin, then he still didn't give to

me? Pffft, be a long time before that guy gets any buffs from any of my

toons! Stupid rangers!

[Zenako]

I often ask people about their stats and skills. It does help when making choices.

My clerics ask about HP, so that I can KNOW which healing spells are enough and which are overkill. No point in dropping a 350+ point HEAL on a 50 point wounded caster is there? Cure serious will do nicely, or even better get a whole bunch cured up with a Mass Cure Serious. Ask about Fortification as well, helps me know how urgent it is to get to those dropping hit points on the melees. Lacking Heavy Fort, pretty much everyone starts the battle with one foot in the triage center. If that barbarian has 500+ HP, I then KNOW how much margin he has left. 1/4 health is still over 100.

As for tankage in the Reaver. It is a group endevor. Makes the most "group" sense to have the melee types best suited to taking him on, with a minimum of healing required do it, letting the casters and healers focus on the other things in the room. The few party wipes I have seen have been when the "tanks" overestimated their prowess and kept getting wiped and soon the party had noone to hold his attention. It is not a pretty sight watching a bunch of squishies getting smushed by the giant and his hordes of elementals. I often try to have a good Paladin be one of the main tanks, they can quickly self heal even if the cleric is out of range or on their back from elemental tossing. But if the Paladin is a 30 AC DPS build, that might not be a good fit for that encounter. Killing the giant is not the problem, killing him "slowly" while getting all the spheres spinning is.

[Cashiry]

I often ask people about their stats and skills. It does help when making choices.

My clerics ask about HP, so that I can KNOW which healing spells are enough and which are overkill. No point in dropping a 350+ point HEAL on a 50 point wounded caster is there? Cure serious will do nicely, or even better get a whole bunch cured up with a Mass Cure Serious.

I know what ya mean, when playing my cleric, I know what my heal spells can do, so I kinda like to know what peoples hp's totals are, so I can estimate in how much dire need a person may be from death.

For the OP, I agree it can be a little bit annoying to get asked these questions, I for one, get asked these questions quite abit, not usually in the manor your talking about, but as in build advice. But I can see how it can affect some players. Some people have a very narrow view on how a charcter class should be built or played. I say, build it how you want to as long as your having fun. who cares what others think of your build, if they say your gimped, so be it, prove them wrong with how ya play, and make them believers.

Anyways, have fun.

V/R Cashiry

[Zenako]

I know what ya mean, when playing my cleric, I know what my heal spells can do, so I kinda like to know what peoples hp's totals are, so I can estimate in how much dire need a person may be from death.

For the OP, I agree it can be a little bit annoying to get asked these questions, I for one, get asked these questions quite abit, not usually in the manor your talking about, but as in build advice. But I can see how it can affect some players. Some people have a very narrow view on how a charcter class should be built or played. I say, build it how you want to as long as your having fun. who cares what others think of your build, if they say your gimped, so be it, prove them wrong with how ya play, and make them believers.

Anyways, have fun.

V/R Cashiry


Characters like Sorcs are often the most variable in Hit points. I have seen some with barely 100, and others well into the 200's with their build and CON focus. Makes a Huge difference.

[Thargorv]

I can see why a cleric would ask about HP but generally within a few battles in a quest you can probably figure out which spells to use on whom. See a dwarf barbarian not carrying a shield? Might wanna use Heal. Elf Wizard in a dress? Probably not gonna need as much....ah go ahead and wand em. But it is a fairly valid question. When asked "How much does your Heal normally do" "How much do you rely on wands" etc I reply that I don't discuss my build in Pugs cause as was mentioned it matters not what I say some other party member will always tell me in length how much better his cleric alt is.

As for the Reaver....it's not that hard of a quest. The real challenge is the puzzle and if anyone asks "Hey can you do the puzzle" that's a question that makes sense to me. "Is your AC a few points higher or lower than mine" isn't, cause just like with the cleric scenario you always get the guy who's gonna claim the highest AC just so he get the "glory" of tanking the Reaver.

If I thought I was being asked in the honest interest of it really mattering to the quest(and no in the Reaver it doesn't matter if your AC is a few points higher or lower than mine) I'd be more inclined to answer. But the fact is I've always got the feeling I'm being asked just so some schmoe can BS about how great he is.

[Zenako]

In most quests I agree that within a few battles you have figured out who is the real deal and who is more talk than thump. Problem with a quest like the reaver, is that there are no warm up battles most of the time. So you have to trust that the players answer honestly.

The puzzle question is a Player question, not a character question, so it falls into another whole realm.

Those who ask to later diss on you or brag about their own are immature and just looking for ways to gain ego boosts within a fantasy world.

I also ask casters about how deep their spell point pools are. Does that bard have 500 spell points or 1000 spell points.

One other point, while on some scales those few points of AC might not seem like much (and in quite a few circumstances they are not important) there are some battles where the difference between a 42 and 44 AC can make a real difference. You might end up going from getting hit 20% of the time to 10% of the time, or halving the incoming damage. Same thing about boosted Spell DCs (via Spellsong for example). Going from a DC28 to a DC29 might mean that only 2 out of 20 elementals save vs 3 out of 20. You cut the number of elementals running about by 50% (3 to 2). Now if those mobs all need 20's to save with an 8 Will save, nothing matters. But if they had 10 Will Saves then it does.

[SidBadguy]

I will also ask people what the HP totals are (mostly casters) to better use my SP.

But I did join a group looking for a cleric to do the Reaver about a week ago and no sooner had I joined and gotten like 2 hellos when one of the tanks asks how much my max heal does. I said "Not sure probably around 200 (figguring not to include crits) and the guy goes off on how his cleric can do 300+ yada yada... So I kindly voice to the group..."oh ok then you got a cleric, I was just trying to help out...don't need the loot...later." And off I go. About 5 minutes later the raid leader sends me a tell and asks me to come back because "bigmouth" won't switch to his cleric and they couldn't find another. Anyhow I went back and "accidentally" walked into a air elemental when the bigmouth (who insisted on tanking though took insane amounts of healing to keep up) was at about 10% and he died...oh well guess he was right, my 200 wasn't good enough

[moops]

I'd have to disagree about AC not mattering on the Reaver--my view may be tainted because I usually do it on eilte.

The Reaver is easy as cake provided you have people doing certain tasks, it's good to find out ahead of time who has Disco balls, and if no one does what the strategy is, etc. This is so for a few other quests in the game too. Like If I pug a caster for Inferno I always make sure that they have a fire and cold for the torches.

As a cleric, esp if I am the only one in the group I prefer one of the high AC tanks to be on the Giant, it's just easier. It means I can try to get mana buffs using mass heals and not worry about a tank that is going to go down to 20% in one hit. It means that if there is only one other caster in the raid that I can Zap the Eles too. Believe me, I've done this raid a few times with a tank that had less than 50 AC and it ate my mana bar fast as well as made it hard for me to throw the constant mass heals needed for all of us to get the mana buffs.

Also, when I pug I have found that it's best not to assume. Pug'd one of the Pre Raids recently, thought everyone knew what was up--not so. I ended up having to take 8 Majors to make sure we didn't wipe, as well as using quite a few scrolls. Very expensive and a little communication beforehand could've prevented alot of this.

Sometimes it's just better to communicate on certain quests. My guild still asks about AC sometimes when doing the Reaver, its hard to keep track of who has what when there are so many alts.

When I run quests I want to do what I can to keep the costs down for everyone, as well as make them as efficient as possible.

[Laggin]

Do people not do it on elite?

[Kronik]

I'd have to disagree about AC not mattering on the Reaver--my view maybe tainted because I usually do it on eilte.

The Reaver is easy as cake provided you have people doing certain tasks, it's good to find out ahead of time who has Disco balls, and if no one does what the strategy is, etc. This is so for a few other quests in the game too. Like If I pug a caster for Inferno I always make sure that they have a fire and cold for the torches.

As a cleric, esp if I am the only one in the group I prefer one of the high AC tanks to be on the Giant, it's just easier. It means I can try to get mana buffs using mass heals and not worry about a tank that is going to go down to 20% in one hit. It means that if there is only one other caster in the raid that I can Zap the Eles too. Believe me, I've done this raid a few times with a tank that had less than 50 AC and it ate my mana bar fast as well as made it hard for me to throw the constant mass heals needed for all of us to get the mana buffs.

Also, when I pug I have found that it's best not to assume. Pug'd one of the Pre Raids recently, thought everyone knew what was up--not so. I ended up having to take 8 Majors to make sure we didn't wipe, as well as using quite a few scrolls. Very expensive and a little communication beforehand could've prevented alot of this.

Sometimes it's just better to communicate on certain quests. My guild still asks about AC sometimes when doing the Reaver, its hard to keep track of who has what when there are so many alts.

When I run quests I want to do what I can to keep the costs down for everyone, as well as make them as efficient as possible.

I agree 100% Moops.

For the OP, I think you should not take it personal. especially on the Reaver Raid, because if done correctly, you only need 1 or 2 tanks distracting the Giant. All you have to do is hit the "i" key and check your AC after buffs and send the 2 highest AC tanks in. It sounds like you are taking the question like a personal challenge and not really understanding why people ask it.

I know there are other instances where some player like to brag and show off their uber gear, but I dont think it is the case in the Reaver Raid.

[ErgonomicCat]

I agree 100% Moops.

For the OP, I think you should not take it personal. especially on the Reaver Raid, because if done correctly, you only need 1 or 2 tanks distracting the Giant. All you have to do is hit the "i" key and check your AC after buffs and send the 2 highest AC tanks in. It sounds like you are taking the question like a personal challenge and not really understanding why people ask it.

I know there are other instances where some player like to brag and show off their uber gear, but I dont think it is the case in the Reaver Raid.

I think the issue is that High AC <> Best Tank.

It's a *facet* of being the best Tank. But it's not the be-all end-all. There may be people that sacrificed 3 points of AC (say by not taking dodge, and not having all the Fighter Armor Mastery enhancements), but the 3 points are more than made up for by X, where X is whatever they did get (more HP, a never miss stunning blow, whatever). But when someone says "What's your AC?" you either spend 15 minutes defending your build, or just get dismissed....

Note that I have no experience with high end content in DDO, but I'm betting stuff I've learned in other MMOs applies just as relevantly here, in this regard.

[Grinndal]

Aw
Well this game to some people is all about the perfect party. Thats where all the

questions and suggestions come from. I just lie and smile when I'm asked my

stats for trivial things like attacking the Reaver.

To the OP the kill count is not a totally accurate stat. I have a ranger that is

always in the top 2 and I do zero physical damage, but I will

puncture/curse/hamstring the ***** outta them.

I have a good cleric as well, but people will die. If they run off, or are behind

the pillar, or well maybe there just a jagoff?

I just don't like some people's elitist attitude, I was in a party with a

ranger(yes a ranger) and I had to ask for Barkskin, then he still didn't give to

me? Pffft, be a long time before that guy gets any buffs from any of my

toons! Stupid rangers!

Hey that is just how I roll. did you think i got my rangers sp up to almost 500 so i could buff you? It is so i can have Bark, FOM, Jump, and tumble plus resist everything. Then I have to heal myself. I mean somtimes I will throw a heal at an incapped party member. But otherwise it is for me.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that a full ranger that doesn't almost automaticaly barkskin is pretty much a waste of space.

[samagee]

I can see where someone might want to get to know their adventuring comrades, so the group can set up a marching order. However,I don't want to hear what spells my sorceror should be using. I tweak him to be as versatile as I can. I bet you dont want me fingering things to death when there is a horde breathing down our neck. I bet you like the fact that I can make them dance for us while you stick your blades in them.

Last night was a prime example. There was one fighter that ran back to us being chased by three mind flayers and a horde of ogres. I threw up a dancing ball first then used an item to increase my fire damage and laid in a fire wall, flaming sphere, and then pounded in the fireballs. The other caster was doing similar things as the cleric dropped in meteors. That horde didn't stand a chance and the fighter just kinda watched.

It's all about how you play your character, besides a person with a handycap just means you have to use your head.

[baylensman]

Got to go along with Thar on this one. (oh my gawd actually agreeing with a dwarf). The reaver raid rn any other raid, i think that asking a level 14 dwarf barb build his AC or DPS is redundant. the answer should be "higher than yours" and be done with it. Asking a warforged about healing and repair makes a little sense, but most us who play the UBER race are used to it and try to stay self sufficient.

I've seen some charachters with awesome stats, that just aren't played well. Other who do a great job with a gimped build and are a credit to most runs (My first Pally build for example).

I'd rather be asked about strategy and tactics. Possible tricks and tips for certain encounters, or even if heard any good jokes lately.

[wiglin]

Problem solved....


Don't pug.

[Ekental]

Not pugging might be preferable, but lets take a look at a common problem.

Guildie A has 1 character
Guildie B has 2 characters
Guildie C has 3 characters.

Guildie C wants to do Reaver with all his characters. He doesn't want to solo one with his last character and he'd like better chances at loot that might drop that others might not want.

Maybe there's a guild out there that has enough people for everyone to raid as much as they want in a full 12 person group one elite whenever they want. That guild is amazing, and is likely organized and scheduled to raid by computer.

For the rest of us that are still on the biological chipset, we might have to consider pugging.

[Kargon]

The reaver raid rn any other raid, i think that asking a level 14 dwarf barb build his AC or DPS is redundant. the answer should be "higher than yours" and be done with it.

In specifimic case of Reavamer Raid where AC can mean differemence between wipe or raid loot (or angry broke clerimic), this make absolutamally no sense at all, unless evermary single barbarian baylensman ever met alwamays focus very very much on AC, which in Kargon experimience, are almost nevermer. AC for palamadins and fightermers ;). DPS maybe have point, not much out dps almost any type of barbarian, as that what barbarian made for, but AC? that just crazy, Kargon team with levamel 14 barbarian with ac from 16 ac to 60 ac all time, are impossimable to tell just from look at barbarian and know what AC are. In fact, Kargon have two barbarian for just this reasamon, one 10 ac max hp+DPS, and one more balamanced with high 40s low 50s ac and a bit less DPS and HP.

As for OP, Kargon think op not understamand from clerimic point of view how importamant AC on tank are in specifimic case of Reavamer Raid, or OP not be so frustrumated with it at all.

As for being angry about being ask exactamally how much clerimic heal for with differement spells... op have nice point. That just silly.

[Mudcnd]

Aw

Hey that is just how I roll. did you think i got my rangers sp up to almost 500 so i could buff you? It is so i can have Bark, FOM, Jump, and tumble plus resist everything. Then I have to heal myself. I mean somtimes I will throw a heal at an incapped party member. But otherwise it is for me.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that a full ranger that doesn't almost automaticaly barkskin is pretty much a waste of space.

Wow thats some buffs you have well its good that you can buff yourself, because it will be nice to save some sp, andnow we know you dont need any other buffs from the rest of the party. I think on my bard im just going to run around with displacement full time and give up on buffing other party members, yeah maybe I might throw a heal on someone incapped ....maybe.

[HorridForm]

I would consider it flattery to be asked my build and then be awarded the caretaker of the n00b brigade. The Pug leader is really asking you if you are good enough to carry them through the raid. Possibly because it is to complicated for the PUG casters to debuff the Reaver. Hopefully if you are a prime specimen of a tank then the leader can rest his worries on your shoulders.

The Reaver raid can be broken down into 1 DPS tank, 1 cc/air ele slayer, 1 healer. If 1 of those 3 can fly and another can do the puzzle it doesnt matter what the other 9 do.

I say tell them to stand in the middle of the level so that they can auto die on the first reverse gravity. Then you dont have to worry about them pulling reaver aggro or waisting the non PUG cleric's SP. In my raid pugs you are just another number roll for higher loot probability.

I am 1 of the first players on the server to advocate player skill before group builds. If everyone is on the same page then it really shouldn't matter what class they are using or what numbers theu have.

[Borror0]

Being ask about your AC is the most normal thing for the Reaver, I'd do it all the time.

You simply the highest AC tanking him to make it less costy on the heals. If I'd think you could not handle it, I wouldn't ask your AC.

Well, I don't because my main is an AC tank. :D But I would otherwise.

It's not a matter of knowing if you're a gimp or not, it's a matter of knowing who's going to be the best at it, period.
I'm not looking to know if you're a gimp, just want to know what your AC is to know who's tanking.

[HorridForm]

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