Legion forum request [Archive] - Dungeons & Dragons Online Forums

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 09:51 AM

First of all, PLEASE!:
1. Do not get this thread closed.
2. Do not start a flame war in this thread.

As you all know there are quite a few Legion members that frequent the forums.
Me, Loki, Renegade, Scar, Drak, Clay, Pana, Xundrin,.....etc.
Just to name a few.
......and for the record we know that a lot of you, dislike us.
That’s fine, we have the friends we play with in our guild, and that’s all we need.

As for the request:
If for some reason you hate us, for some personal reason, PLEASE PM us with your problem.
Or just ignore us, and we'll ignore you.

Reason's for asking:
1. We enjoy posting our accomplishments like a lot of you, but ours always get closed.
Anyone else's is left alone, it be nice to be able to just keep one open.

2. We enjoy a good debate, but as soon as some of you get your feelings hurt.....you report us.

3. If it’s in a PM I'll know who the spineless.......I'll know who reported me.

4. Honestly.....we can't afford any more infraction points/warnings.
We seem to be getting reported for anything anymore.

So in conclusion please note:
1. Don't stalk us out just to flame us, get a response, and report us.

2. If we are in a debate with someone (not you), don't just report us because you hate us.

3. Don't pick a debate/argument with us if you can't hang.

4. it’s fine to hate us, we probably dislike you too.
.....but to flame us, just to flame us, that’s not hate......that’s insecurity.
(Don't hate us, 'cause you ain't us!)

Mr. Gelatinous Cube, hopefully this will help out.
Either this or we have to find a way to guild you and the Kommunity Kobold.:D

Thanx,
Womp

lenric

10-03-2007, 09:58 AM

/signed.

I'm not even part of the Legion but I do see you guys getting flamed/harassed more than anyone else on the forums. I enjoy reading about what you guys do, you are truly the elite players here on DDO and you have offered me a lot of insight both in and out of game and I hate to see you treated poorly because of the way some people feel about you.

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 10:07 AM

pana

10-03-2007, 10:10 AM

but but womp if they dont flame us how will i lite my cig?

Memnir

10-03-2007, 10:10 AM

loki523

10-03-2007, 10:15 AM

Also the boards make us sound a lot more arrogant than we really are (especially me lol). 95% of the people on the forums who flame me for being arrogant and big-headed have never grouped with me. Of the other 5%, ask them if they've ever had a problem with me in game and you'll get, "Ummmm...well....no....." ;)

It's been suggested to me by "management" that I refrain from ensnaring myself in heated debates on the forums and report people instead of defending myself from flaming, so I'm sad to say that the loki of old that everyone loves to hate is being replaced by loki the narc. Insult me? Reported/ignored. Try to provoke me? Reported/ignored. I hate being reduced to this and I wish these boards were more inclined towards the adult crowd but I am about to become Cubie's biggest customer. :(

lenric

10-03-2007, 10:16 AM

TY lenric :D

Your quite welcome...strange though a roleplayer making friends with l337(is that how its done?) gamers. :D Now if only you could teach me how to farm butterflies as well as one of your members (don't remember the name honestly) taught me a nice quick route to farm tapestries.

Crarites

10-03-2007, 10:23 AM

Or just ignore us, and we'll ignore you.

In an effort to faciliate the ops request, could you please post the forum names of legion's members. I shall promptly add them to my growing ignore list.

Scarsgaard

10-03-2007, 10:32 AM

In an effort to faciliate the ops request, could you please post the forum names of legion's members. I shall promptly add them to my growing ignore list.

lol... I'm very obviously Legion.. in fact I'm the Guild's Forum Troll:D

For those folkes who want to bug me.. go for it.. in most cases I deserve the friendly ribbing (I give enough out)... and if you have an issue with me.. send me a PM...

/peace

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 10:32 AM

I'll agree to this as soon as you can get Loki to drop his condecending ways when he posts. The reaction you get to your posts is due in no small ammount to the way he comes across to others. And, since it's a well established fact that he does not care when he ruffles feathers - people will in turn not care to do likewise in Legion posts.

You cannot have it both ways - and I see this as Loki mearly reaping what he sows. If you want to be treated with repsect - you need to give a little too. Since Loki has no respect for the vast majority of the DDO community, he gets none from most it as well.

I'm just pointing this out. I've had my arguments and problems with Legion - but I'm also friends with a lot of it's members. I have no issues with Loki anymore. He & I have found (at least in my mind) a position of mutual respect. Please don't think this is in any way a flame or trying to start up anything. My point is you cannot ask for people to play nice if your members - all of them, from the top down - are not willing to give the same in return.

You get what you give - on the internet as well as in real life.

Mem,
I think you misunderstood a little.
As you know, myself and Loki are very opinionated, and that will not change.
If someone disagree's with what we post, please bring on the arguement, we enjoy it.
For example you Mem, if the two of us get in a heated arguement thats all it is.
I never have to worry about you reporting me out of spite.
...But that is whats happening lately.
People have been reporting us for any, and everything, after they've brought the fight to us.
I don't see us changing, but at the same time I won't report someone for a personal beef either.
Besides if we changed, the boards entertainment value would plummit, lol. ;)

lenric

10-03-2007, 10:40 AM

eaten by cube

This was quite rude remark to make...and thats all I have to say.

Scarsgaard

10-03-2007, 10:42 AM

eaten by cube

Ahh isn't JayDubya cute... I'm going to ask my mom if I can take him home and make him my bestest friend evaarr!!! I'll put him in a pink dress, serve him tea and cookies and then let my cat Memphis hump his leg...:D

loki523

10-03-2007, 10:44 AM

Thanks Jay! Reported/ignored.

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 10:46 AM

eaten by cube

WOW!
Ty for the example:
I've never even heard of you and yet this is on the first page.
So now you'll probably get my thread closed......and if I lower my self to answer back at the level your on.
You probably get butthurt and hit the report button....which is what my whole point for the thread is.

LOL

lenric

10-03-2007, 10:48 AM

Just out of curiosity how many of y'all are seeing the new unicorn "happy place" background? Or have they not implamented that yet. Who knows.

loki523

10-03-2007, 10:49 AM

but at the same time I won't report someone for a personal beef either.

I will. Hate it. Wish we could just have old-school flame wars where I could just crush people's feelings without all the infraction points, bans, etc. but that's what I've been told to do....

Report/ignore...

JayDubya

10-03-2007, 10:50 AM

WOW!
Ty for the example:
I've never even heard of you and yet this is on the first page.
So now you'll probably get my thread closed......and if I lower my self to answer back at the level your on.
You probably get butthurt and hit the report button....which is what my whole point for the thread is.

I've never used the report button, and never plan to. That's not what this was about.

*Edit* - since the Cube ate my post. The point, Rayzorlew, is that you saw it as an attack. I used, practically word for word, paragraphs of text that Scar and Loki and others have used in the forums, and turned them back on you. And you see that as an attack.

So how should everyone else in the forum world feel? When you guys post how uber you are, and how pathetic (almost) everyone else is.... Why is it that you're supposed to get a free pass on this, and no one else?

You all seem like decent folks when I've grouped with you, and I recognize the difference between a forum personality and a game personality. But it seems to me that your current issue(s) exactly fall under the definition of "Reaping what you sow."

The_Mighty_Cube

10-03-2007, 10:56 AM

I'll just toss this out here out of my general observations

Some of you enjoy DDO
Some of you enjoy it a lot
Some of you want the came to continue to grow and evolve and be great

... and in line with that, it would perhaps be a good idea to make it an environment that is conducive to new players actually staying around.

Those who chose to line their well thought out wording with unhelpful things such as insults and provoking commentary will find their posts and threads have been engulfed by the cube.

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 10:57 AM

I've never used the report button, and never plan to. That's not what this was about.

Then apparently this thread wasn't for you was it....and I have no problems going round and round with someone who can take it, ask any Xorian original.
I don't even mind getting reported for crossing the line, but thats not whats happening either.

Memnir

10-03-2007, 11:08 AM

Rayz, I understand that perfectly - and I think it's really low and empty of people to do that. However, I remain strong in my view that this is the end result of what many (right or wrong) see as Legion's superiority complex on the forums; and the attitude perceived from the language of your posts. In many ways, Legion has brought this backlash upon itself. Even when your making a plea for civility, Rayz - you interject with things like "(Don't hate us, 'cause you ain't us!)". To some people, saying things like that is not taken as the humor it was intended as - but rather like a cheese grater over rugburn.

And this has been Legion's posting habit for a very, very long time now. It makes people want to flame you, and scuttle then to the nearest grownup if you react in kind - just to get you in trouble.

I deeply respect you guys for saying enough is enough, and making changes. I for one hope it's something your comitted to. Legion is a great guild made up of some of the most amazing players in the game. Just understand that it will take the fourm-at-large a while to play acordingly. This forum wide wave of hostility did not happen overnight, and the peace accord will also take a while to spread around. That's the nature of the beast, I'm afraid.

Vhlad

10-03-2007, 11:09 AM

In an effort to faciliate the ops request, could you please post the forum names of legion's members. I shall promptly add them to my growing ignore list.

Grow up. The thing between IFV and Legions was good for the server, and it is unfortunate to see Legions get slack from haters for being dedicated and having good guild morale. People reaching out to instil some excitement and worth to the game is a good thing.

The ddo community is not very large. My friends list is mostly a graveyard of former players, and it is depressing. Exclusive grouping behaviour is simply unsustainable long term with the player base the way it is, especially with certain games that shall not be named coming out in the future. Choosing to ignore entire guilds who you don't really even know is unwise. Unless you are from a different server, in which case I must ask: what are you doing posting here aside from Trolling?

Legions is in my good books. But I guess that is expected considering we have a few members who have toons in both Indago and Legions. I'm not sure how Legions feels about that (and some members of Indago have reservations regarding the matter), but I personally see anything that brings more Thelanis Elite together as a big positive. The list of people who 100% will not need any hand holding, who get sh!t done and do it quickly, is not very large.

juniorpfactors

10-03-2007, 11:10 AM

JayDubya

10-03-2007, 11:19 AM

Then apparently this thread wasn't for you was it....and I have no problems going round and round with someone who can take it, ask any Xorian original.

I never thought it was directed at me, and I've never had an issue with the combatative attitude myself. I was just amused at the juxtaposition between your combative forum style, and the way you responded to it blowing up in your faces.

I don't even mind getting reported for crossing the line, but thats not whats happening either.

The Report button is just an alert. Some human being is reading the posts of your members, and deciding they do, in fact, cross the line. Your hate has apparently betrayed you and started to hinder instead of help, as hate is wont to do.

I don't like, in general, being difficult for no reason. So, I'll make some suggestions for what I would do if I were in your shoes: Work on repairing the reputations of your guild and your guildmates on the forums.

1. Set up some events to give away stuff to newbies or lower-level/casual players. Use the forums/calendars/etc
2. Set up some events (or more, you may be doing some of this already) to run some less-experienced people through some of the harder quests.
3. Have your forum-mates abstain from saying anything mean for 48 hours.
4. Have your guys post some helpful advice on the general forums.
5. Create a thread where you actively call out all the non-Legion, non-Xoriat people who you think are admirable in game, and explain why.

Annoying? Perhaps. Distracts you from your uber loot runs? For a few minutes. But I think a spoonful of sugar is about the best medicine right now.

Just trying to help.

LordDamax

10-03-2007, 11:26 AM

Um, guys - being reported doesnt mean you get infraction points. You get infraction points for breaking the rules.

Have all of legion report this post. I'll let you know how many infraction points I get.

Stop causing flamewars on the forums and the infraction points will stop.

LordDamax

10-03-2007, 11:36 AM

Also the boards make us sound a lot more arrogant than we really are (especially me lol). 95% of the people on the forums who flame me for being arrogant and big-headed have never grouped with me. Of the other 5%, ask them if they've ever had a problem with me in game and you'll get, "Ummmm...well....no....." ;)

I'm part of the 5%. Grouped with you once. Right after Mod3 hit. Running Chains of Flame. You wanted to do it on Hard to open up elite - we said no, our first time in, we want to run it on normal.

Without a word, at the quest entrance door, our cleric recalls and drops group.

Just saying what happened.

loki523

10-03-2007, 11:43 AM

But I guess that is expected considering we have a few members who have toons in both Indago and Legions.

This is temporary. Legion currently has a few Indago members on probationary status. We also have an all-or-nothing clause. What we do is this:

If a player impresses us we'll try to give them an invite on at least one of their toons. We encourage people not to cut ties and burn bridges because sometimes things just don't work out for one reason or another. New members have a probationary period lasting at least 2 weeks. When it's over, we have an officers' meeting. If the player is a good fit and wants to stay (and if we vote unanimously to keep them) we give them an invite and an ultimatum: all-in or all-out.

From past experience we've found that dual membership doesn't work. If the player's other guild wants them to raid but they're on timer because they ran with Legion, there's butt-hurtedness. If we need players to fill a raid but that player is out farming stuff with their other guild there's butt-hurtedness.

That said, it's true that a few players from Indago have been exploring the possibility of jumping ship. Legion never turns down an excellent player/person but, at the same time, I've heard that Indago is a pretty solid guild and I'd like to not screw them all up. I don't really know any Indago peeps and I would appreciate it if you guys could direct your leader to me so we can have a chat...

Finally, there have been about a dozen players who have recently expressed a desire to join Legion. We definately appreciate the interest and we are not ignoring these requests. We are, however, placing most of these requests on hold for the time being. WAY too much going on right now to mess with our chemistry and we're too slammed for the officers to get together and discuss such matters. When the immediate impact of Mod 5 dies down and we get a chance to catch our breath we will be contacting those of you who seem like you might be a good fit.

In the meantime, if you are interested in joining Legion, PLEASE be patient with us and make an effort to jump in on some of our non-raid runs so that we can get to know you a little and get a chance to evaluate your skills. We don't usually take unsolicited players (unless we already know you by reputation e.g. Havanti who recently retired his number as a member of Legion) and 99% of the time our new invites are people who ran with us and impressed us in some way.

Be prepared. Our membership has been ballooning and our guidelines are becoming VERY strict. We are looking for only the best PLAYERS not toons. If you are an insanely good fighter but can't play a caster or cleric worth beans, don't bother. If you're awesome on your sorc but he's your only capped toon, forget about it.

Lastly, this turned into a big, informative post that really doesn't belong on this thread. I'll leave it here but I'm about to cut/paste it into its own. ;)

Ironforge_Clan

10-03-2007, 11:46 AM

I can say that I would welcome any blind invites to join any run with your players...its all about Knowledge,Killing and the fun of seeing whats in the chest...with no deaths:cool: ...... I enjoy all the threads related to the game as well as marketplace trading.... if I am not in party and you need a quick spot filled send an invite thre are there are some well stock players still around and lets a) kill b) get good loot c) rinse and repeat over and over

look me up ... under maelstrom anytime

jrp

I'm throwing my hat in with JRP since I have grouped with him and others of maelstrom before and know they are great players. So if you need a tag along (notice I did not say "need help" I would never be that arrogant...lol) I would love to join you guys. I could definitely use some schooling in how the leet play this game. So consider Runehealer or Axebiter at your sevices if you need a cleric or a barbarian to fill a spot.

loki523

10-03-2007, 11:56 AM

I'm part of the 5%. Grouped with you once. Right after Mod3 hit. Running Chains of Flame. You wanted to do it on Hard to open up elite - we said no, our first time in, we want to run it on normal.

Without a word, at the quest entrance door, our cleric recalls and drops group.

Just saying what happened.

You've mistaken me for someone else. I have never grouped with you nor would I. I would also never abandon a pug for the reason you stated. In fact, I have NEVER abandoned ANY pug "without a word" for any reason to the best of my memory. If I drop from a group I have zero problems explaining exactly why. I have absolutely no recollection of any such Chains run but it's quite possible you were on an alt and someone told me who you were. In that case I probably would have dropped without a word to avoid being banned...

Also, nobody from Legion bothers to report you no matter how many forum rules you break because we know exactly how many infraction points you will get, and why.

Thanks for reminding me about you, though. Definately didn't break any rules (not that it would matter if you had) so no reporting here. Just adding to my ignore list which I am rapidly becoming a big fan of...

Crarites

10-03-2007, 12:04 PM

Grow up. The thing between IFV and Legions was good for the server, and it is unfortunate to see Legions get slack from haters for being dedicated and having good guild morale. People reaching out to instil some excitement and worth to the game is a good thing.

The ddo community is not very large. My friends list is mostly a graveyard of former players, and it is depressing. Exclusive grouping behaviour is simply unsustainable long term with the player base the way it is, especially with certain games that shall not be named coming out in the future. Choosing to ignore entire guilds who you don't really even know is unwise. Unless you are from a different server, in which case I must ask: what are you doing posting here aside from Trolling?

Legions is in my good books. But I guess that is expected considering we have a few members who have toons in both Indago and Legions. I'm not sure how Legions feels about that (and some members of Indago have reservations regarding the matter), but I personally see anything that brings more Thelanis Elite together as a big positive. The list of people who 100% will not need any hand holding, who get sh!t done and do it quickly, is not very large.

I thought it was the express interest of the op to generate an environment in which legion was able to post on the boards without undue hostility. To create that environment he asked for legion to be ignored, a wish I will grant as soon as I have a listing of their members.

My response, though short, was neither rude nor childish. The forum has a built in ignore feature that I put to good use when waranted.

Citymorg

10-03-2007, 12:16 PM

Speaking as a fellow Ex-Xorian, I like Legions' style.

Gambit

10-03-2007, 12:17 PM

When joining a legion group meant that you would not only kick arse, but you would also have a lot of fun doing it. For many reasons, which are my personal experiences and need not be listed in this post, the legion of old is no more. It just seems to me that the majority of the posts that are created by loki are entirely for the purpose of causing friction on the forums. I think Mem summed up a lot of what I was going to say and there is no reason to rehash it all again.

-G

skraus1

10-03-2007, 12:23 PM

I've grouped quite a bit with the legion guys. I have ex-guildies who are happy in legion. I have had many succesful trades with legion members. I also am aware they can come on strong on the forums from time to time, stronger than perhaps they should on occasion given their circumstances.

However, the wrath they've gotten lately I do not see simply as a result of them coming on strong. It seems a little like a competition getting out of hand, and people who weren't necessarily the intended party got into the fray and are the ones holding the grudges. Frankly, the fact that legion is very good, and have shown evidence of it, I believe is a good part of it.

Being elite is enough to make some people jealous
Posting on it is enough to make some people angry
Coming on even remotely strong (which some could interpret as condescending in this context) is enough to make some of these people vindictive and others angry, even if they were not jealous or angry beforehand.

When you have three different things that can cause people not to like you, you have a recipe for fighting like this.

My real life has taught me this so well it is scary. I literally used to have hide what I did irl to get dates in college. Looking back at it, it is kind of funny, but it is true.

loki523

10-03-2007, 12:25 PM

It just seems to me that the majority of the posts that are created by loki are entirely for the purpose of causing friction on the forums.

Completely untrue. Most of them turn out that way, however, but I mostly attribute that to my large fan club. :D

I don't post anything to start fights I simply express my opinions and don't care if they cause friction. Or at least, I didn't until recently. I just have a tendency to be construed as extremely abrasive on the boards because I don't pull punches and a LOT of wink-wink-nudge-nudge is lost over the internet. Verbal jabs can come out looking like sucker punches when typed and sarcasm is often completely lost upon those who can't hear it.

But no more my brothers! Puh-raise Cubus! I have been saved!

Report/ignore ftw. :D

loki523

10-03-2007, 12:31 PM

Coming on even remotely strong (which some could interpret as condescending in this context)

I disagree that we have been condescending although I can sort of understand how it is misinterpreted that way. Egotistical? Sure. Arrogant? Ok I can live with that. Condescending? Nope.

We are VERY supportive of other guilds and try to help them whenever we can. We brag and trash talk in good fun but we never say, "We're the best and nobody else is any good." or, "Your opinions and ideas are invalid because we're the best and you're not." We simply say, "We're the best." and try to back up our words with actions.

We fully realize that there are a TON of great guilds out there, there are a TON of great players who would never join us because they prefer a different play style, and we absolutely LOVE it when they step up and take us on. Makes the game fun.

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 12:40 PM

Grow up. The thing between IFV and Legions was good for the server, ...

No offense, but are you nuts?

It was the second worst thing to happen in my opinion. The first being the loss (in a way) of one of the foremost people in creating a true community feel on the server. The stupidity that continued across the board may have brought notice to our server, but not any sort that I or many people would like. Legion may be saying they would not have beaten the raid so quickly if it was not for us and perhaps that is true. I don't think so, just like we did with the Reaver (after being second on DQ) they set out to get things done in the most expedient manner. They had been saying for months that they would be the first on the server to complete it and they had to back that up or lose a great deal of face.

As to the intent of the thread. I have to agree with Mem here. And please, try not to take this the wrong way. If I see posts like the one that was made yesterday morning I will report it as it is completely unnecessary and against the forum guidelines. You will likely get infraction points. I'm sorry but you make the decision to push the boundaries and you accept the responsibilities of those actions. Blaming the people who report is akin to claiming the cop is the reason you got a ticket, not because you ran the red. Feel free to click that "Find all posts by this member" on me and find things to report, if get any infraction points for them I will let you know.

It is possible to get your points across without breaking the rules.

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 12:41 PM

I never thought it was directed at me, and I've never had an issue with the combatative attitude myself. I was just amused at the juxtaposition between your combative forum style, and the way you responded to it blowing up in your faces.

The Report button is just an alert. Some human being is reading the posts of your members, and deciding they do, in fact, cross the line. Your hate has apparently betrayed you and started to hinder instead of help, as hate is wont to do.

I don't like, in general, being difficult for no reason. So, I'll make some suggestions for what I would do if I were in your shoes: Work on repairing the reputations of your guild and your guildmates on the forums.

1. Set up some events to give away stuff to newbies or lower-level/casual players. Use the forums/calendars/etc
2. Set up some events (or more, you may be doing some of this already) to run some less-experienced people through some of the harder quests.
3. Have your forum-mates abstain from saying anything mean for 48 hours.
4. Have your guys post some helpful advice on the general forums.
5. Create a thread where you actively call out all the non-Legion, non-Xoriat people who you think are admirable in game, and explain why.

Annoying? Perhaps. Distracts you from your uber loot runs? For a few minutes. But I think a spoonful of sugar is about the best medicine right now.

Just trying to help.

For the love of god Jay, I don't want to be Forum Ghandi, lol. ;)
Maybe what I was aking for will never happen, because I refuse to be something I'm not.
One thing I think is people on the boards, devs included, get offended way to easy.

Also:

Um, guys - being reported doesnt mean you get infraction points. You get infraction points for breaking the rules.

Have all of legion report this post. I'll let you know how many infraction points I get.

Stop causing flamewars on the forums and the infraction points will stop.

I realize what the button does, but If I hit it on a person more often than others........you don't think that will increase his odds?
Also Damax, your telling me that the Devs. never let anything slide?
I bet they're less likely to if that person is reported more frequiently.

Actually Damax don't you know one?
Ask him will ya?

I thought it was the express interest of the op to generate an environment in which legion was able to post on the boards without undue hostility. To create that environment he asked for legion to be ignored, a wish I will grant as soon as I have a listing of their members.

My response, though short, was neither rude nor childish. The forum has a built in ignore feature that I put to good use when waranted.
Thats fine you see my name.

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 12:42 PM

...a LOT of wink-wink-nudge-nudge is lost over the internet. Verbal jabs can come out looking like sucker punches when typed and sarcasm is often completely lost upon those who can't hear it.

You know, and this is intended exactly as you mention, a verbal (textual?) jab, I do find it funny you claimed I was flaming you for the exact same sort of thing.

loki523

10-03-2007, 12:44 PM

if get any infraction points for them I will let you know

Discussing your infraction points is a violation of the board rules and will get you infraction points. :p

Solstice

10-03-2007, 12:45 PM

think they do that. played with Rayzorlew in a pug with mid-levels in crucible with my rogue and played with some Legions on elite-favor run at tombs of litany 3... and no problems. I learn some stuffs and guide some others...

They're good players. and for me, this matter.

1. Set up some events to give away stuff to newbies or lower-level/casual players. Use the forums/calendars/etc
2. Set up some events (or more, you may be doing some of this already) to run some less-experienced people through some of the harder quests.

Give items and run harder quests with less experienced people is charity, not respect IMO. Let charity for ONU or the Greenpeace.Let DDO for players. Let the forum for trolls (scar, it's your place :D )

Personally, I like play with good players. can be a ubber or a kobold, but need know the basic: how works your character, how works the game and how make the stuffs more fun.

Dislike the opinion? Close the threat and ignore the user. I do that on game. Wanna report? Report the kobolds that stay in tavern using mass heal all the time causing lag on instances.

Dislike my post? My characters have the name on my signature. Feel free for add on ignore list or in friend list.

loki523

10-03-2007, 12:48 PM

Work on repairing the reputations of your guild and your guildmates on the forums.

There's nothing broken about my reputation...

Scarsgaard

10-03-2007, 12:49 PM

Hey Crarites,

Your posts on this thread have been cool and funny... I liked them... yer alright

Heya Damax,

I actually like your posts... you crack me up and things get dull without your witty comments...

Muirtach.mang

ahhh... I just wanted to make another yellow line... yer cool

whats yellow and black striped?

Memnir in a bumblebee suit:)

p.s. would've used Black but it looked wierd ;)

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 12:50 PM

Discussing your infraction points is a violation of the board rules and will get you infraction points. :p

Wait you mean you guys posted a thread about how many (roughly) infraction points you have??!?!?!?

Goes to find the report button. :D

loki523

10-03-2007, 12:53 PM

I don't discuss my infraction points on the boards. ;)

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 01:01 PM

If I see posts like the one that was made yesterday morning I will report it as it is completely unnecessary and against the forum guidelines. You will likely get infraction points. I'm sorry but you make the decision to push the boundaries and you accept the responsibilities of those actions. Blaming the people who report is akin to claiming the cop is the reason you got a ticket, not because you ran the red. Feel free to click that "Find all posts by this member" on me and find things to report, if get any infraction points for them I will let you know.

It is possible to get your points across without breaking the rules.

LOL, this is why I brought it up!
Muirtach did you not see the guy from the other server, with a feline in his name, hunting down a guildie of mine to no end.
Totally Forum harrassing him, even though my guildie no longer belongs to the other server.
Getting constantly personal on the attacks.
Even though my guildie tried to explain, he wasn't even the person, he thought he was.
And we know this to be true, because he kept calling him by another guildies character name.

No, you didn't see it?
Well apparently the Devs. didn't either.

So I took the situation into my own hands.......added a little humor, made fun of his character name--not him.(a fictional name this person made up!)
Never swore, I didn't stalk him,..........but you still reported me!
Lol...Loki is right maybe hitting the button is the only way to stay!
Just sucks we can't have a little fun.

**added: I'm pretty sure the Devs. have a sense of humor and that post was pretty funny, had you not reported me they might have laughed it off. ;)who knows....thanx**

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 01:06 PM

LOL, this is why I brought it up!
Muirtach did you not see the guy from the other server, with a feline in his name, hunting down a guildie of mine to no end.
Totally Forum harrassing him, even though my guildie no longer belongs to the other server.
Getting constantly personal on the attacks.
Even though my guildie tried to explain, he wasn't even the person, he thought he was.
And we know this to be true, because he kept calling him by another guildies character name.

No, you didn't see it?
Well apparently the Devs. didn't either.

So I took the situation into my own hands.......added a little humor, made fun of his character name--not him.(a fictional name this person made up!)
Never swore, I didn't stalk him,..........but you still reported me!
Lol...Loki is right maybe hitting the button is the only way to stay!
Just sucks we can't have a little fun.

Yes I saw him and yes I reported him as well. In all honesty that is what Pana should have done as well, instead he continued it himself and well...

Still my point stands though. I have seen a number of threads started by Legion members closed and/or removed. A number of you are admitting to have received some infraction points. Take why you got those points into consideration when you make posts and you will not garner new ones. Asking other people to police you is absurd when you can do it on your own. That's all I was getting at.

pana

10-03-2007, 01:07 PM

(combat) loki's wall of text crits you for 1000 points of omgwhatdidhewrite damage!!

you die by something!

Vhlad

10-03-2007, 01:11 PM

No offense, but are you nuts?

yes, and I'm offended! :) :( :confused: ;) :p :mad: :D :o :rolleyes: :eek:

It was the second worst thing to happen in my opinion. The first being the loss (in a way) of one of the foremost people in creating a true community feel on the server.

I think it got people involved, and interested. Like a hocky game. Rooting for sides, insulting, cheering, stealing candy.

I found it exciting. Look in necro, see 15 IFV standing there in instance 1. Pop to instance 2, see 15 Legion. Yell in guild chat, OMG biaches! balls to the wall! get going! we're going to lose!
It was great!

Maybe I don't hang around the forums or outside the guild enough to properly judge community impact though.

bobbryan2

10-03-2007, 01:11 PM

So because you guys don't have the maturity to handle yourselves in a public forum without getting infraction points, we're supposed to go easy on you and not tell you what we think? I think you guys need to grow some thicker skin, and learn to think twice before you post.

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 01:18 PM

Yes I saw him and yes I reported him as well. In all honesty that is what Pana should have done as well, instead he continued it himself and well...

Still my point stands though. I have seen a number of threads started by Legion members closed and/or removed. A number of you are admitting to have received some infraction points. Take why you got those points into consideration when you make posts and you will not garner new ones. Asking other people to police you is absurd when you can do it on your own. That's all I was getting at.

Dude, who asked you to be the forum police......if the post isn't about you, keep scrolling!
I'm sure the Devs. will get there and deal with it without you!
If the feline named guy would have reported me, good for him, it was about him!
If I ever personally attack you---REPORT ME!
Otherwise grow up and quit trying to wet nurse the server, if we need to report someone for harrassing us we will, I promise!

See Mem these are the people I'm talking about! ;)

Weedo

10-03-2007, 01:21 PM

nobody likes a snitch.

Memnir

10-03-2007, 01:23 PM

whats yellow and black striped?

Memnir in a bumblebee suit:)No, Scar. No matter how your phrase it - I will not "pollenate" your "flower".

:D

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 01:24 PM

nobody likes a snitch.

Amen brother Weedo!

:D

TreknaQudane

10-03-2007, 01:25 PM

nobody likes a snitch.

Yarr, nobody be likin' the flame bait either.

pana

10-03-2007, 01:25 PM

actually i was rather nice to that person and i did report their flames. because i have no choice too. it really kinda sucks. either way i do not know where you anger comes from muir. I mean you seem to follow loki's every word. Please take my advice here i mean it as no harm. here it is on simple terms..

stop farming loki's threads like you would farm a bloodstone and it will kill all the tension on the boards 100 fold!

you and loki are the type of people that have to always be right. The huge diffrience is loki doesn't cry to the babysitter when the big brother kicks his rear end. Loki actually fights back!

you know what happens to someone who cry's wolf all the time.

signed
waiting on age of conan

JayDubya

10-03-2007, 01:26 PM

Asking other people to police you is absurd when you can do it on your own. That's all I was getting at.

I'm sending you a PM...

Memnir

10-03-2007, 01:26 PM

Discussing your infraction points is a violation of the board rules and will get you infraction points. :pThe first rule of Infraction Club is - don't talk about Infraction Club.
The second rule of Infraction Club is - well, that's how you get into Infraction Club.

...moving on!

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 01:27 PM

nobody likes a snitch.

Then dislike me. I may cut myself, but I think I'll be able to live with it.

TreknaQudane

10-03-2007, 01:33 PM

By the way, what happened to threads like this...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=121727

Or coming along and hijacking a thread with lies in this one?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=122618

Or pana's brilliant comment on guild names?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=122617

If you want the reports to stop, act like it. You'll get a lot more respect from the people of Thelanis if you give respect to them. We don't want a troll to be merely ignored, if they are bad we want them gone.

Please, prove you're not a troll Legion

Weedo

10-03-2007, 01:38 PM

Then dislike me. I may cut myself, but I think I'll be able to live with it.

especailly not an emo snitch

pana

10-03-2007, 01:40 PM

trek lol you make me lol irl i mean im totally roflmao you are so very intertaining. thank you so much for your fact finding ability to bring up posts that have been closed.

i could have swore that was a forum violation

man you guys really do not let things go.

<3 much love to you guys

the reason i reffered to your guild as iff is because i saw it on a board and well honestly i have a name issue i cannot remember names to save my life true story so i wasnt sure if it was ivf or iff. but i know now its IVF foreva!!! thank you guys so much for bringing humor and competition into our dull ddo life!

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 01:40 PM

especailly not an emo snitch

Well I do wear tight-ish slacks, and ride a fixed gear bike with my cuffs rolled up.

No wait, that's scenester/hipster.

Scarsgaard

10-03-2007, 01:41 PM

Please, prove you're not a troll Legion

...but but but.. I am a Troll:(

No, Scar. No matter how your phrase it - I will not "pollenate" your "flower".

:D

I'm a Pine Cone Troll... Bee's don't pollinate us... beer does :D

Lleshap

10-03-2007, 01:43 PM

Eh, never clicked a report button in my life, but some posts by some Legion members have been quite vitriolic and there is no possible way to pass off "IFV? More like IFF!" as an actual attempt at humor.

The art of friendly internet ribbing is a subtle one, and I'll admit to being rather pathetic at it. But if such is truly the intent of many Legion posts, I suggest that Scarsgaard hold weekly seminars. The man is a master, and well beloved of the peoples.

Remember, this isn't GBS, IRC, or somewhere worse. We have certain societal standards to which posts are held, and The Cube is the jiggly enforcer of those standards. 'Ware The Cube.

Internet: Serious Business.

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 01:44 PM

...but but but.. I am a Troll:(

Some people say a 'forged is made outta wood
A forum troll's made outta muscle and blood
Metal and wood or skin and bones
A mind that's a-weak and a back that's strong

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 01:48 PM

Trek.......and whoever else didn't tighten the strap on their helmet this morning.......reread my 1st post.

WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE FRIENDS!!!

We are simply tired of the fact that, people can not mind their own business, and let the Devs do there own job!
Quit holding a grudge, and reporting me for some personal past beef.
If I hurt your feelings, at the time of the post....fine report me!
But not everytime I post.

TreknaQudane

10-03-2007, 01:49 PM

Generals

10-03-2007, 01:57 PM

I'm completely neutral towards your group. I haven't had enough personal dealings with them to judge as a whole. But I do applaud your efforts here.

I have been around for a while myself and can give some humble advice. Take it for what it's worth.

..for the record we know that a lot of you, dislike us. That’s fine, we have the friends we play with in our guild, and that’s all we need.

Obviously many people got rubbed the wrong way. If it was just a few I'd chalk it up to immaturity or emotional instability. Since it's more than a few, I would take a hard look in the mirror. How you can offend less people? Listen to feedback and act on it. No group can survive long in a vacuum, no matter how uber.

We enjoy a good debate, but as soon as some of you get your feelings hurt.....you report us.

This goes both ways. Last I checked we were all human. People have emotions and egos. If someone gets upset then take a moment before reacting. Think-act. Think of this community as 'we', not 'you' and 'us'. Erasing the lines of distinction goes a long way towards reconciliation.

Honestly.....we can't afford any more infraction points/warnings.
We seem to be getting reported for anything anymore.

Honestly ask why this has happened. Taking a step back to reassess things can go a long way. One finger pointing to others means there are three pointing back. Corny I know but you get the point.

Don't pick a debate/argument with us if you can't hang.

Humility comes to mind here. The point is valid, but it's not condusive to reconciliation.

It’s fine to hate us, we probably dislike you too......but to flame us, just to flame us, that’s not hate......that’s insecurity. (Don't hate us, 'cause you ain't us!)

Sometimes what's not said (or typed) is more important than what is. Some will look at this as an elitist looking down their nose at the rest of the community. Just an objective opinion.

In short my advice is to take a step back, assess the situation, take any feedback to heart and take the necessary steps to reconcile. If that is your goal. If not, ignore everything I just said. :confused:

my 2¢ ..peace out

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 02:02 PM

The community service reps do not have the time to scour the forums for infractions. The purpose of the report button is to make them aware of such posts. They ask people to use it for that reason.

The purpose of the infraction points is to make people aware of their transgressions. The average person will realize that they made a mistake and make attempts to discontinue it.

The purpose behind temporary bans is to warn members that their continued actions are unwarranted and if they continue farther actions will be taken.

Additionally, it says right in the report window:

WARNING: Abusing this tool may result in infractions given to YOU.
If the reports made are excessive and being used to harass then you are violating the forum guidelines as well.

Rude posts are not covered (hence why Scars doesn't get reported :p ), but there are some pretty well-defined things under the Forum Guidelines at the top of every forum section. Read them over again. It might help.

pana

10-03-2007, 02:06 PM

hey muir i am really sorry i didnt pick you for my dodgeball team. while we cannot all be on the winning team. There are support staff to help us succeed. so thank you for gettin us our water, towels, taking the time to teach us the rules! We will continue to beat the abbot while you keep us posted on how forums work, one more thing thank you for bringing on thek to help you it seemed like you where getting back logged in forum rule editting.

loki523

10-03-2007, 02:10 PM

some posts by some Legion members have been quite vitriolic and there is no possible way to pass off "IFV? More like IFF!" as an actual attempt at humor.

That was not a "Legion" post. That was a "Pana" post. No member of Legion assumes to speak for all others. We are individuals and have different opinions. If people choose to judge our entire guild because they disagree with the actions of a few members, that's not our bad.

Also Trek the link you provided and claimed had "lies" contains nothing of the sort posted by me. NOTHING I have posted about IFV has been a lie. Anything I have insinuated I have screenshots to back up and it's a dead issue anyways, well, at least to me. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not calling me a liar because I would definately find that insulting and reportable...

Rayzorlew

10-03-2007, 02:13 PM

You're in a public forum bub, its anyones business that clicks on the damned thread.

Your right and you said the "D" word.

Should I report you?

NO!
Dude, for all I know your a great guy, with a family who loves you, you give blood, bone marrow, and sperm, help in a soup kitchen, mow your neighbors lawn because he's old, and teach Sunday school!

......But if I reported you, you would be in the wrong.
See you only get 20 total infraction points, and since you haven't hurt my feelings personally in any way.
What do I care.
...but that's what your leader did to me!

pana

10-03-2007, 02:14 PM

he(loki) is right i never claimed to speak for anyone but myself at that point i was involved in it as much as anyone and i spoke my opinion. i just wasnt sure what your guild name was. sorry for miscommunication on the guild name of IFF. when it was saposed to be IVF i know better now.

LordDamax

10-03-2007, 02:16 PM

I nominate this thread as the New Xoriat hate thread. It's a good'un.

Berryman

10-03-2007, 02:18 PM

Memnir

10-03-2007, 02:23 PM

I nominate this thread as the New Xoriat hate thread. It's a good'un.Nah - too much whinning in this thread, by all involved (myself included). This thread would have been eaten as a pup by the old Xorian Hate post, and it's bones used for lawn darts.

At best this is a pale and pitiful pretender to the throne.

Muirtach

10-03-2007, 02:27 PM

Loki, I can honestly sat that I have never seen a post of yours which would violate any of the rules. And we are not saying you are lying. We are saying that, for whatever reason (I suspect a disgruntled former guild member who wanter to cause more strife), you were lied to. A small difference, but it is one.

My point is very simple though. If you do not want to be reported, do not do anything that would cause you to be reported. Asking people not to report you regardless of your actions is, to me, mind-boggling. I am not trying to pick a fight. My last post was an attempt to let you know that reporting people just because you dislike them will not get them infraction points. It is actually likely to get the reporter points.

Pana, I'm sorry. I would respond, but I have no idea what you try to say the majority of the time. It is alright you didn't pick me for your dodgeball team, though. I'm not a very good athlete.

pana

10-03-2007, 02:31 PM

wow muir i feel offended that you cannot understand my english. that almost brings a tear to my eye. how do i file a report again.

Scarsgaard

10-03-2007, 02:33 PM

Nah - too much whinning in this thread, by all involved (myself included). This thread would have been eaten as a pup by the old Xorian Hate post, and it's bones used for lawn darts.

At best this is a pale and pitiful pretender to the throne.

agreed... the Hate thread we HAD was glorious and beautiful... like a butterfly mashed to my wiper blades as I bore down Hwy 1 to the Super-Duper Beer and Puke store... but alas...

...the glorious past got turfed with some of the greatest threads ever:(

On the bright side... the Devs said to me today, that because I'm such a nice guy taht I get my own pet Donkey and now me and Memnir can have Donkey and Pony races:D

Syriania

10-03-2007, 02:34 PM

I have np with any1 from Legion

And I agree u should have a thread to post ur accomplishments and that people shouldn't harrass you

Word of advice though, the wording in the first post comes off in a way that might draw people who don't like you into trying to start an argument, just saying :D

*hugs the peoples of IFV and Legion*

and besides, my sexy a.k.a. Revrend BAND is in Legion now lol

loki523

10-03-2007, 02:46 PM

Asking people not to report you regardless of your actions is, to me, mind-boggling.

I never said this but I understand completely what Rayzor is talking about. We're NOT talking about breaking the law or anything like the analogy you used earlier. It's a video game forum. I agree with Rayzor that if it doesn't involve you, leave it alone. It's not anybody's job to be the forum police. I also agree with Weedo that nobody likes a snitch. These are just my personal opinions but, again, I never asked anyone to do anything. I'm not the OP. ;)

Music_Man

10-03-2007, 02:48 PM

That was not a "Legion" post. That was a "Pana" post. No member of Legion assumes to speak for all others. We are individuals and have different opinions. If people choose to judge our entire guild because they disagree with the actions of a few members, that's not our bad.
.

To everyone who reads this forum, Please come to understand this point:
A post is a post from an individual -- do not assume that individual is speaking for any guild or groups they are affiliated with. They are simply speaking their own point of view & not anyone else's opinion.

This is something most of us need to work on, & some more then others.

PS. He who has the last word is he who is reported.