Barb crit SOS

[Wormblood]

I am a 14 barb and recently acquired the SOS. I crit with that at 15 and have heard of others that crit at 13. What do I need to do to have the 13 crit? Thanks.

[Vinos]

Critical rage II. It's an enhancement that increases your crit range while raging.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Critical rage II. It's an enhancement that increases your crit range while raging.

What he said.

EDIT: Also..gratz on getting the sword, its the best two handed dps in the game I believe, on things you can crit anyways. I have been trying so hard to get that for my barb and have had no luck :( You should be very happy to have that, cause anyone that goes thf wants one.

Mili

[Beherit_Baphomar]

I want one.

[nbhs275]

i got one on my pally and its his main sword..got it on my barbarian and its stays in my backpack most of the time.

[Strakeln]

i got one on my pally and its his main sword..got it on my barbarian and its stays in my backpack most of the time.Really? Must have some nasty greataxes and all the axe enhancements, right?

[Emili]

Really? Must have some nasty greataxes and all the axe enhancements, right?

Must be since an SoS is still the cream de cream of DPS for most mob.

[Strakeln]

Must be since an SoS is still the cream de cream of DPS for most mob.No kidding, I'm so addicted to my womping stick that I won't even buy potions without it equipped.

[Sutek]

Must be since an SoS is still the cream de cream of DPS for most mob.

I beleive you can get more DPS from a Holy or anarchic burst of greater bane than any other weapon in the game.

I think just greater bane will out DPS the SoS as well.

[Bombalo]

Yeah the SOS pretty much stays in my pack as well (Its my main addy weapon and thats about it). I use a +5 Icy Burst Greataxe which yeah i know doesnt crit as much but i still get 30-50 more damage on a crit and that doesnt include any of the elemental damage. I know SOS by the numbers is supposed to be the best DPS but from what ive seen high end greataxes will outdamage it over the course of a dungeon.

[Emili]

Yeah the SOS pretty much stays in my pack as well (Its my main addy weapon and thats about it). I use a +5 Icy Burst Greataxe which yeah i know doesnt crit as much but i still get 30-50 more damage on a crit and that doesnt include any of the elemental damage. I know SOS by the numbers is supposed to be the best DPS but from what ive seen high end greataxes will outdamage it over the course of a dungeon.

How? I can understand a +2 (or better) greateaxe of x greater bane and even a +2 due to dwarven ax enhancements but 2d6+5 + str mod at 35% being x3 compared to 1d12+5 +2 (if dwarf) + str mod at 25% being x3 you should be landing 7 crits every 20 swings off the SOS compared to 5 off the axe on average. In otherwords average (13 +str) with 35% x3 vs (13 +str) with 25% x3. Now your elemental damages add in an average of 3.5 per hit and a 5.5 on a crit... thus adding about 90 average on 20 swings... comparable to another half-crit. For any non-dwarf race it makes sense to use the SoS over a +5 greataxe (barreing no greater bane) because you'd have to be a dwarf to get the same straight number. It really comes down to the mob you're fighting a lot too... I mean against undead I'll use my +2 true law greataxe of greater undead bane or my disruptor - am not going to get crits there.

[nbhs275]

Really? Must have some nasty greataxes and all the axe enhancements, right?

TWF: 46 str +bloodstone on Pick sets and rapiers. Like for the reaver i have

+1 anarchic burst heavy pick of pure good &
+1 anarchic burst light pick of pure good

damage works out too 1d6+18str+8 PA+1 weapon+2d6 anarchic+1d6 good
1d4 +9 str + 8 PA +1 weapon +2d6 anarchic+1d6 good

Crits in main hand is 144-204. Where my crit with a SoS is only 168-198

So overall the faster attacks and slightly larger crits wins out. Also like rapier sets that can lay some quick smackdown

+2 holy burst rapier of pure good

1d6+18str+8 PA+2 weapon+2d6 holy +1d6 good, crits 13-20/x2 for 76-110.

Bard songs also farther the gap, but SoS is always a good go-to weapon if your not in the possesion of the correct type of beater. And a +5 addy stick is a +5 addy stick.

[Shade]

For any non-dwarf race it makes sense to use the SoS over a +5 greataxe (barreing no greater bane) because you'd have to be a dwarf to get the same straight number. It really comes down to the mob you're fighting a lot too... I mean against undead I'll use my +2 true law greataxe of greater undead bane or my disruptor - am not going to get crits there.

I dunno, even for non dwarf.. +2 greater banes are pretty powerful. The xtra +1 to hit can matter when your sitting at -8 from max power attack enhance.

Then the bigger factor - speed.. Greataxes just attack much faster then greatswords.

The dmg I do with a +2 greater bane vs SoS is fairly massive. Altho im a 2handed spec barbarian I also leave it in my pack for many occasions as I have allot of bane weapons now. Tho still nice weapon overall for when doing allot of switching gets annoying.

[Strakeln]

I'm pierce spec'dFixed that for ya.

Edit - I'd say you're doing less DPS with any of the weapons you went though (barring situational uses, such as bypassing DR). I know I'll regret this, as this always devolves into endless tinkering and claims of invalid calculations and tools, but here's my first swipe at attempting to compare what I saw as your best chance (the picks won't even come close to the SoS, I suspect): DPS Calculator Results (http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/ddo/analyze.php?1label=SoS&1bab=14&1atktype=2h&1spm=90&1phd=2d6%2B5&1phed=0&1phth=5&1phthreat=13%2Fx3&1phxcrit=&1ohd=1d4&1ohed=0&1ohth=0&1ohthreat=18-20%2Fx2&1ohxcrit=&1str=46&1dex=10&1pwr=on&1sneakpct=0&1sneakd=1d6&1cleavepct=0&2label=%2B2+HB+Rapier+of+PG&2bab=14&2atktype=dw&2spm=115&2phd=1d6%2B2&2phed=3d6&2phth=2&2phthreat=13%2Fx2&2phxcrit=1d8&2ohd=1d6%2B2&2ohed=3d6&2ohth=2&2ohthreat=13%2Fx2&2ohxcrit=1d8&2str=46&2dex=&22wpn=on&2pwr=on&2sneakpct=&2sneakd=&2cleavepct=&report=on&minac=10&maxac=50)

From everything I've seen, the only pierce weapon (on a pierce-specc'd barb) that will come close (if not beat) to beating the DPS of a slash-specc'd barb with the SoS is Deathnip. Yeah, yeah, you didn't want to be like everyone else... good for you! But don't confuse crits with DPS. One is fun, the other actually matters...
Crits in main hand is 144-204. Where my crit with a SoS is only 168-198^-------- and how frequently, given that both have the appropriate improved crit feat? 15% vs 35%...

Note that I'm assuming you don't have the GTWF feat (although I do assume you have the TWF feat). Also note that both of us are completely disregarding THF feats (glancing blows).

[nbhs275]

Fixed that for ya.

Edit - I'd say you're doing less DPS with any of the weapons you went though (barring situational uses, such as bypassing DR). I know I'll regret this, as this always devolves into endless tinkering and claims of invalid calculations and tools, but here's my first swipe at attempting to compare what I saw as your best chance (the picks won't even come close to the SoS, I suspect): DPS Calculator Results (http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/ddo/analyze.php?1label=SoS&1bab=14&1atktype=2h&1spm=90&1phd=2d6%2B5&1phed=0&1phth=5&1phthreat=13%2Fx3&1phxcrit=&1ohd=1d4&1ohed=0&1ohth=0&1ohthreat=18-20%2Fx2&1ohxcrit=&1str=46&1dex=10&1pwr=on&1sneakpct=0&1sneakd=1d6&1cleavepct=0&2label=%2B2+HB+Rapier+of+PG&2bab=14&2atktype=dw&2spm=115&2phd=1d6%2B2&2phed=3d6&2phth=2&2phthreat=13%2Fx2&2phxcrit=1d8&2ohd=1d6%2B2&2ohed=3d6&2ohth=2&2ohthreat=13%2Fx2&2ohxcrit=1d8&2str=46&2dex=&22wpn=on&2pwr=on&2sneakpct=&2sneakd=&2cleavepct=&report=on&minac=10&maxac=50)

From everything I've seen, the only pierce weapon (on a pierce-specc'd barb) that will come close (if not beat) to beating the DPS of a slash-specc'd barb with the SoS is Deathnip. Yeah, yeah, you didn't want to be like everyone else... good for you! But don't confuse crits with DPS. One is fun, the other actually matters... ^-------- and how frequently, given that both have the appropriate improved crit feat? 15% vs 35%...

Note that I'm assuming you don't have the GTWF feat (although I do assume you have the TWF feat). Also note that both of us are completely disregarding THF feats (glancing blows).

I have the full chain. 4 of 19 is 21%, 7 of 19 is 36%. You crit more often for less, while i crit about 15% less, for about about 1.75 the damage. If my main hand is nearly keeping up with the SoS, then the offhand puts me far and away ahead. To hit shouldnt really factor in, when attack is +30 on the first swing while PA is running. What mob has more then a 35 AC?

Also dont disregard what difference the correct elemental effect can have. icy burst heavy pick is 2d6+6d10 against fire mobs such as velah.

Then there is the advantage with smiting//banishing//disruptors, or if your a **** barb, vorps. x2 the attacks with those is effectively x2 the kills.

[Emili]

I have the full chain. 4 of 19 is 21%, 7 of 19 is 36%. You crit more often for less, while i crit about 15% less, for about about 1.75 the damage. If my main hand is nearly keeping up with the SoS, then the offhand puts me far and away ahead. To hit shouldnt really factor in, when attack is +30 on the first swing while PA is running. What mob has more then a 35 AC?

Also dont disregard what difference the correct elemental effect can have. icy burst heavy pick is 2d6+6d10 against fire mobs such as velah.

Then there is the advantage with smiting//banishing//disruptors, or if your a **** barb, vorps. x2 the attacks with those is effectively x2 the kills.

There are a few mob with over 35 ac ... fire giant champs, many orange and of course red named. At lvl 14 you run into the average mob being about 32 ac much of the time. Needless to say not disputing weapon choices or switching - heck I switch weapons constantly, just the point was SoS is a good pure dps weapon and I find with myself in general use all but a decent plus greater bane tend to not produce the same results.

[Strakeln]

I have the full chain. 4 of 19 is 21%, 7 of 19 is 36%. You crit more often for less, while i crit about 15% less, for about about 1.75 the damage. If my main hand is nearly keeping up with the SoS, then the offhand puts me far and away ahead. To hit shouldnt really factor in, when attack is +30 on the first swing while PA is running. What mob has more then a 35 AC?

Also dont disregard what difference the correct elemental effect can have. icy burst heavy pick is 2d6+6d10 against fire mobs such as velah.

Then there is the advantage with smiting//banishing//disruptors, or if your a **** barb, vorps. x2 the attacks with those is effectively x2 the kills.Dang that's a lot of stat points spent in dex! On the damage calculator (without considering glancing blows), you do come out ahead up until about 33 AC, which I will agree is not very common. I suspect if we could add in glancing blows, the DPS would be about the same for < 33 AC, and the SoS will pull ahead beyond that.

You will pull ahead with purple-damage effects (ice on fire, fire on ice, etc) and epics, although I find I rarely use epics with my barbarian... who needs fancy effects when you can beat em down in the same amount of time? :D

Edit: by pulling ahead in epics (and only for that section), I'm referring to kill count, not DPS. No one uses epics for DPS :p

[nbhs275]

Dang that's a lot of stat points spent in dex! On the damage calculator (without considering glancing blows), you do come out ahead up until about 33 AC, which I will agree is not very common. I suspect if we could add in glancing blows, the DPS would be about the same for < 33 AC, and the SoS will pull ahead beyond that.

You will pull ahead with purple-damage effects (ice on fire, fire on ice, etc) and epics, although I find I rarely use epics with my barbarian... who needs fancy effects when you can beat em down in the same amount of time? :D

Edit: by pulling ahead in epics (and only for that section), I'm referring to kill count, not DPS. No one uses epics for DPS :p

16 base dex. +2 tome, and have +4 coming for madstone boots. I look at it as filling my delving suit out. 35 unbuffed AC without a shield is not bad for a barbarian when hes soloing( i can break 50 with buffs, and am, like every other melee, looking for a chattering ring ).

[Strakeln]

16 base dex. +2 tome, and have +4 coming for madstone boots. I look at it as filling my delving suit out. 35 unbuffed AC without a shield is not bad for a barbarian when hes soloing( i can break 50 with buffs, and am, like every other melee, looking for a chattering ring ).Whoops, I was confusing the requirements for Improved Precise Shot (Dex 19) with the requirements for GTWF (Dex 17). Starting dex of 15 (and a +2 tome) or 16 (and a +1) isn't too costly on the stat points for a barbarian, starting dex of 17 or 18 would be (unless you're talking drow/elf, which would make 46 str harder to achieve).

[nbhs275]

Whoops, I was confusing the requirements for Improved Precise Shot (Dex 19) with the requirements for GTWF (Dex 17). Starting dex of 15 (and a +2 tome) or 16 (and a +1) isn't too costly on the stat points for a barbarian, starting dex of 17 or 18 would be (unless you're talking drow/elf, which would make 46 str harder to achieve).

lol you've played with me before man <---Mooker//torrak

[boldarblood]

lol you've played with me before man <---Mooker//torrak

LOL I've played with you before with my Barb when we were both leveling up our Barbs (Dwarf Barbarian - Okri).

[nbhs275]

LOL I've played with you before with my Barb when we were both leveling up our Barbs (Dwarf Barbarian - Okri).

lol i remember that, we made quick work of things. Me and you practically duoed gwylans on elite, remember that party? lmao. I've never seen so many squishies do nothing and just get annilated.

[boldarblood]

lol i remember that, we made quick work of things. Me and you practically duoed gwylans on elite, remember that party? lmao. I've never seen so many squishies do nothing and just get annilated.

LOL yep. I think I was level 6 and you were 8 at the time. That party was brutal, we were so far ahead of them and killing everything. I don't see how they kept dying. That was fun blasting through that with ya. LOL

[nbhs275]

LOL yep. I think I was level 6 and you were 8 at the time. That party was brutal, we were so far ahead of them and killing everything. I don't see how they kept dying. That was fun blasting through that with ya. LOL

i think halfway through they just became bait.. Yeah mister horrible wizard, see that chest over there? go open it for us... Then came the scream of "aghh, that named minotaur just critted me for 88 damage!" *dies* barbarians kill said minotaur Barbarians say "what minotaur? the dead one? hes dead, how did he crit you? silly wizard. go res so you can throw as a haste"

And the cycle begins anew :D

[Strakeln]

lol you've played with me before man <---Mooker//torrakI read signatures too :p

[nbhs275]

I read signatures too :p

Then you know mooker ain't no jive, turkey!