Amor and spell failure

[turkeymoon]

From http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Wizard
"No armor proficiency, since armor of any type interferes with a wizard’s movements, which can cause their spells with somatic components to fail."

Would Eschew Materials allow you to wear and any type of armor without having any spell failure?

De-Flamer
This is taking into the fact that one would invest in the armor feat and the meta feat.

[llevenbaxx]

I think the somantic component refers to the the movements you must go through to cast the spell. Eschew just gets rid of the need for the material(or focus) components. Thus would have no affect on any arcane spell failure you may be incurring due to wearing armor or shields. But Ive been wrong before:)

[RandomToon]

From http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Wizard
"No armor proficiency, since armor of any type interferes with a wizard’s movements, which can cause their spells with somatic components to fail."

Would Eschew Materials allow you to wear and any type of armor without having any spell failure?

De-Flamer
This is taking into the fact that one would invest in the armor feat and the meta feat.


No, it wouldn't.

The Arcane SPell Failure (ASF) is only a factor on spells that have a "somatic" component. Spells like Feather Fall, Shout, Suggestion - they have no ASF because they have no somatic part. You can cast them in full plate and they would go off no problem.

The feat you would need to get rid of that Still Spell, which isn't in DDO.

[turkeymoon]

So much for that idea.

[RandomToon]

So much for that idea.

Anyone can cast in certain types of armor though.

Elves can cast without spell failure in full plate.

+35% ASF for Full Plate
-10% ASF for Twilight
-10% ASF for Mithral
-10% ASF for Elven Arcane Fluidity
-10% ASF for Seven Fingered Gloves

With the right EQ, anyone can wear up to chainmail without an ASF chance, and only a 5% chance in FP if they are missing one of those parts (like not being an elf).

Warforged are, of course, a completely different story...

For the record, Arcane Fluidity doesn't work for shields. Not sure about the SFG's, although I don't think they do. However, a +5 Mithral Light Shield or Buckler has no ASF and is only 1 AC less than a heavy shield.

So if you REALLY wanted to, you can have a Wizzie/Sorc walk around in +5 Full Plate and a +5 Shield. Not exactly the easiest to get gear though...

Also, for the gloves, I am not 100% sure that they stack since I don't own a set. Can anyone confirm this?

[sigtrent]

In D&D PnP you can use still spell to avoid arcane spell failure but it raises the spell levels by 1. I have a PnP character built to do this specificaly (and to use non somatic spells of course) But they don't have still spell here.

I've never gotten my hands on the seven fingered gloves so I'm not sure if and how they stack wtih other effects.

I do have a drow wiz with the Arcane Fluidity and Mithral Chain shirt and mithral light shield. Its fun, not so much AC you feel like a tank but enough that you do get missed by the weaker attackers.

There is also the Insulated Armor from the Titan raid which is basicaly +4 half plate but has only a 10% arcane failure rate. Nice for low dex wizards who want to go armored. It also makes you immune to lightning bolts which is an unusual abbility.

[Lucian_Navarro]

Elves can cast without spell failure in full plate.

+35% ASF for Full Plate
+5% ASF for Heavy Mithral Shield
-10% ASF for Twilight
-10% ASF for Mithral
-10% ASF for Elven Arcane Fluidity
-10% ASF for Seven Fingered Gloves


My Wizard wears +4 Twilight/Mithral Full Plate, equips a +5 Heavy Mithral Shield and has 0 ASF

ZEIRA
"The Angry Blue Faerie"

[Shade]

Got the gloves on my drow sorc.

They stack and do apply to shields. So I can use any regular heavy shield with %5 failure, or mithral with 0.

Tho I actually think light and heavy shields are kinda weak and useles for my sorc as he has no AC, so I use a mithral tower +5 for the good DR. 50% for those suckers.. But -10 for mithral and -10 for gloves gives me 30% which isn't bad, I don't need to cast much when im blocking in a max dmg wall of fire anyways.

I guess halfling wizard could get some ok standing AC with no failure:
10 Base
12 Armor (+4 mithral twilight fp)
3 Dex
7 Shield (Mithral heavy +5)
5 Deflection
3 Natural (item or potion)
1 Size bonus
5 Dodge (Chattering Ring + Chaosgardge)
= 46

Reasonable. Tho takes a few item slots and some dex to pull off... Where as stoneskin, displacement, haste, rage and fireshield provide a better defense at no loss to your arcane skills. (Could double those up for some serious defense ofcourse)

[Mad_Bombardier]

Elves can cast without spell failure in [Medium armor Mithral] full plate.I know you had it in the details, but just wanted to clarify that. If you have only Twillight FP, it's still Hvy Armor and Elven Arcane Fluidity does not apply.

[Aspenor]

Elves can cast without spell failure in full plate.

+35% ASF for Full Plate
+5% ASF for Heavy Mithral Shield
-10% ASF for Twilight
-10% ASF for Mithral
-10% ASF for Elven Arcane Fluidity
-10% ASF for Seven Fingered Gloves


My Wizard wears +4 Twilight/Mithral Full Plate, equips a +5 Heavy Mithral Shield and has 0 ASF

ZEIRA
"The Angry Blue Faerie"

Technically untrue. A +5 heavy mithral shield offers 5% ASF and there is no way to reduce the ASF supplied by a shield. Those enhancements and items (unless the Titan Gloves affect shields as well as armor) only affect armor, not shields.

[Lucian_Navarro]

Yes, I have the Titan Gloves... I was following the conversation thread regarding that and wanted to point out that the Titan Gloves extend the bonus to shields when worn with armor allowing you to get the 40% reduction.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Technically untrue. A +5 heavy mithral shield offers 5% ASF and there is no way to reduce the ASF supplied by a shield. Those enhancements and items (unless the Titan Gloves affect shields as well as armor) only affect armor, not shields.Shade already confirmed that Seven Fingered Gloves do indeed decrease ASF from shields.