Titan Question

[Karethon]

We have been noticing a different behaviour while running the Titan Awakes. This past week, when firing the laser, it will cause adjacent pillars to collapse, even if the bottom is at full health. Has anyone else noticed this change, or have we just been horribly unlucky?

We do have a workaround that can help prevent the collapse, but prior to this week it has been unnecessary.

[Locathus]

This used to be an issue, but I haven't had it happen in quite a while. We run the Titan every few days and none of my guildies has reported that it has shown up again.

I'm assuming that you already bug reported it in-game, but it might be that one of the updates un-did their fix, so it might be relatively simple for them to fix it again.
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[Shade]

Yea this was a bug some months ago. Laser would kill a pillar, and the pillars would also kill each other.

But was reported as fixed, and I've verified it as fixed. Last run was around 5 days ago, no dmg to pillar when laser is fired.

Now I do always only dmg 1 pillar at a time for safety.. Which might be a good idea regardless due to these bugs.

But i also fire the laser when its adjacent to 2 pilalrs at once, and never dmgs the one i dont knock down.

[lostinjapan]

Today we had a different issue happen. Pillar fell right on top of the titan (I was watching it mouselook from directly above) and didn't do anything to him. Didn't knock him down just layed across his shoulders then disappeared like they do.

Not sure if anyone else has ever seen this but it was a first for me.

[Karethon]

In the past 3 days, we have had 3 runs fail because of this. Runs last week didn't experience this. I put in a bug report, so hopefully they can figure out what un-fixed it.

Shade, it sounds like we fire in a similar position. It's not consistent that the blast will knock over the other pillar, but it happens enough to make the quest unbeatable. Guess we'll have to take a lot longer in between shots to prep the pillars, rather than doing any work ahead of time.

[HeavenlyCloud]

I've been doing the Titan every 3 days and we had no issue with the pillars.

We kill the top pillars and prepare all the bottom pillars to 1 hit left and the laser never damage the bottom pillars.

Maybe you just had bad luck. Will check if there is a bug on the pillars today.

[Karethon]

I've been doing the Titan every 3 days and we had no issue with the pillars.

We kill the top pillars and prepare all the bottom pillars to 1 hit left and the laser never damage the bottom pillars.

Maybe you just had bad luck. Will check if there is a bug on the pillars today.

Well, we tried it twice on Wednesday, failing both because of this issue. Guild group completed it on Thursday by leaving tops partially up until ready for the pillar. Tried again on Friday, killing the tops, pillars fell over from laser. If that's just bad luck, I'm having a terrible week.

[Shade]

Guess we'll have to take a lot longer in between shots to prep the pillars, rather than doing any work ahead of time.

Shouldn't take any longer if you do it the way i do. (which could be considered decent being i've succeeded 40+ times in a row (not counting a couple when the bugs werent fixed)

The way ive done it is safe and takes about 10 minuits. You can prepare the tops while the crystal runnrs does his thing. If you have a good dps class with ya, barb or sorcerer, it should only take a few seconds to kill the pillar tops. (disintigrate or a good thrown axe)

Or if you like doing it the ranger way where u hit all tops at once with many shot + imprv precise shot. Thats fine, just have him stop before there all completely dead. Say 20%. Very easy for him to finish off 1 by one later on then.

Also saves the quest for any stray arrows that may be missfired by accident.

[Karethon]

Shouldn't take any longer if you do it the way i do. (which could be considered decent being i've succeeded 40+ times in a row (not counting a couple when the bugs werent fixed)

The way ive done it is safe and takes about 10 minuits. You can prepare the tops while the crystal runnrs does his thing. If you have a good dps class with ya, barb or sorcerer, it should only take a few seconds to kill the pillar tops. (disintigrate or a good thrown axe)

Or if you like doing it the ranger way where u hit all tops at once with many shot + imprv precise shot. Thats fine, just have him stop before there all completely dead. Say 20%. Very easy for him to finish off 1 by one later on then.

Also saves the quest for any stray arrows that may be missfired by accident.

Ah, I misunderstood, then. I thought you meant not touching a pillar at all until you were ready. Leaving the tops at 15-20% is what the group did the other night, which worked. Going to start using this method myself, I guess.

[Jaysensen]

Today we had a different issue happen. Pillar fell right on top of the titan (I was watching it mouselook from directly above) and didn't do anything to him. Didn't knock him down just layed across his shoulders then disappeared like they do.

Not sure if anyone else has ever seen this but it was a first for me.

Graphically, the encounter isnt very accurate. Especially if you are on Khyber. The encounter works as designed now. Once the pillar starts to fall, you can fire the laser, btw.

[Snike]

We just had a lazer shot take out a pillar tonight. Wish the DEVs would look into this.

No one was near the pillar. Titan was no where near the pillar. The lazer controls were lagging and the person at controls hit fire after attempting to move it, a minute later the lazer moved then fired and a pillar next to the lazer position droped. Right after that a Pillar that fell right through the titan did nothing and shot failed.

Two fails tonight, above was the second fail. First fail the Titan knocked down 2 pillars.

[Elfvyra]

Just did him tonight on Elite again, 4 times with different guild groups/'toons, and not a single problem. Same thing happens every 3-4 days.... ;)

[Karethon]

Managed to beat him a few times over the past week and a half, though not without issues. Had one occassion where we prepared the top of a pillar and the titan knocked it over before we were ready to fire (we had done 0 damage to the bottom) - didn't think he was supposed to do that anymore. We managed to recover, but we shouldn't have had to. It seems that whatever changed, and clearly something has, it's now critical that you not completely destroy the tops of the pillars...although even then there can be issues.

[loki523]

But was reported as fixed, and I've verified it as fixed. Last run was around 5 days ago, no dmg to pillar when laser is fired.

Aside from the other posters who have seen it, I have also seen the laser unquestionably damage pillars recently which has affected the strategy I choose to use. So much for your verification. Maybe you should go back to being the foremost authority on Barbarian builds. Oh wait...

LOL

[Sue_Dark]

I havent seen the titan or the laser drop a pillar in a very long time.


I also dont run the titan very often :)

Yesterday we ran and had a different bug entirely, 2 misses, so we were tryin real hard to make sure each remaining shot was perfect and the 3rd shot just flat out didnt fire. we got the dm text for the shot, but no graphic/sound and no damage. at this point we knew the raid was over but decided to practice since we had a few tanks who'd never played the "hero" before. Every shot after the bug hit and did damage, with no graphic or sound for the laser, only text and red bar movement.

[Deragoth]

We have been noticing a different behaviour while running the Titan Awakes. This past week, when firing the laser, it will cause adjacent pillars to collapse, even if the bottom is at full health. Has anyone else noticed this change, or have we just been horribly unlucky?

We do have a workaround that can help prevent the collapse, but prior to this week it has been unnecessary.

This happened to me on Sept. 6th. Laser destroyed 2 pillars on us.

[teddok]

Just ran last night and that never happend to me.

[Karethon]

Just ran last night and that never happend to me.

Unfortunately, it's not consistent - we have had instances where it happens, and instances where it doesn't. I will say that if you have the laser cause a pillar to fall, you had better adjust your strategy because it can happen repeatedly after that.

I bug reported it last time a pillar fell "at random". Hopefully others will too and someone can find the cause.

[stockwizard5]

We verify the top and bottom of every piller throughout the encounter. This week we have seen twice the laser damage a piller - the bug is back (or perhaps never gone)?

[Jaysensen]

So there are a few things you can do about this problem.

1) Place the titan in mutually exclusive spots, so that the laser cannot hit more than one pillar at a time.

2) prep only one pillar at a time.


Dont forget that things like Cometfall, WF, and Summons can destroy pillars.

[Tulsa_Doom]

I run titan multiple times a day every day and I havent had a laser take out pillar at all. This hasnt been a problem for a very long time. I would look to other factors that are in your control ie is someone autoattacking, are u casting cometfall near pillars etc. Shade and I saw the domino effect firsthand and that hasnt been issue for a long time as well. I would recommend prepping pillars one at a time and only have one person prepping bottom. As far as missing titan with pillar, concentrate on keeping titan placement consistent before shot on every run. The graphical placement after shot is kind of glitchy. GL on raid and loot.

[Shade]

Aside from the other posters who have seen it, I have also seen the laser unquestionably damage pillars recently which has affected the strategy I choose to use.

So you use a poor strategy that invovles getting all the pillars down toe dangerously low lvls because you feel the need to show off your worthless ranger skill, risking the raid for your entire group. Try not taking down all the tops and the bottoms to low lvls and it will work fine.

You really need to stop replying to every post I make with nonsense too, I know your jealous and all but really dude its getting to be a bit much.

[Karethon]

Due to some other changes in our strategy with the Titan, nobody casts cometfall until the last battle, after his shields are down. Aside from one particular run, I can say that nobody was auto-attacking (the one time we opened up the group...some of the people that joined were not well versed, and didn't/wouldn't listen as well as we would have liked - we beat it, it was just harder than it needed to be). Because of this bug, we have taken to prepping the pillars as we need them - sometimes taking them down to 50% at the top ahead of time, sometimes not touching a pillar until we are ready for it.

The only 100% certain way to keep a pillar bottom from being destroyed by a laser blast is to use the mutually exclusive method Jaysensen mentioned. There was a time, after the environmental damage to the pillars was first fixed, when you could leave the laser in the middle of the room and not damage other pillars. Now that is a recipe for failure.

We'll probably try to find ways to utilize the mutually exclusive positioning on top of everything else, it's just a pain to have to since this is a "new" bug.

For everyone that is running the Titan and not encountering this (providing you aren't already using the mutually exclusive method), I sincerely wish you continued good luck on your instances.

[Kerrn_Siff]

We've seen it a few times recently in our guild runs on Sarlona (Serlona, Sarlerna.. whatever). Luckily (as far as I remember) it has not caused us to fail as of yet.

First one falls, then the laser fires and an adjacent pillar falls at the same time with noone around it since the mêlée that dropped the first pillar is already running for the ladder.

Edit: We don't use comet fall or any tactic like that, just pillars and the laser until his shields are down.

[Shade]

For everyone that is running the Titan and not encountering this (providing you aren't already using the mutually exclusive method), I sincerely wish you continued good luck on your instances.

It's not a matter of luck. Its simple really, just prep one pillar at a time and youll be fine. Its no more difficult or time consuming.

[Karethon]

Try not taking down all the tops and the bottoms to low lvls and it will work fine.

As we had discussed earlier, Shade, we did alter our runs to not completely damage to the tops. In iterations, we've gotten to where we don't damage a pillar at all until we are ready for it. Not fully paying attention, we had a pillar plop over when we took down the top...the laser had destroyed the bottom with a single blast. No WF on the floor, no cometfall, no autoattack, just gone. I bug reported it, so hopefully someone will look into it.

[Kerrn_Siff]

It would actually make sense if there was some splash damage from such a powerful weapon firing in an enclosed space such as that. It would just be nice if it was more constant in effect. :)

... and why is there a giant laser hooked up to the ceiling in there in the first place? never got that part....

[Palmetto]

We have been noticing a different behaviour while running the Titan Awakes. This past week, when firing the laser, it will cause adjacent pillars to collapse, even if the bottom is at full health. Has anyone else noticed this change, or have we just been horribly unlucky?

We do have a workaround that can help prevent the collapse, but prior to this week it has been unnecessary.
The laser is supposed to damage the pillars. The bug was when pillars would fall and create a domino effect with adjacent pillars.

[Palmetto]

Today we had a different issue happen. Pillar fell right on top of the titan (I was watching it mouselook from directly above) and didn't do anything to him. Didn't knock him down just layed across his shoulders then disappeared like they do.

Not sure if anyone else has ever seen this but it was a first for me.
It didn't knock the titan over because he was still moving. You need to make sure he stops before you knock the pillar over; otherwise it is a miss even though it appears to hit him.

[Palmetto]

Position the laser in the following positions, then you won't have any issues with splash damage taking down a pillar.

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LASER PLATFORM

[Karethon]

The laser is supposed to damage the pillars. The bug was when pillars would fall and create a domino effect with adjacent pillars.

Then something done recently, and unannounced, that fixed it. There was a period of time where the laser did not damage pillars adjacent to the strike zone. Only a few months ago we actually left the laser on the middle track where it starts, and encountered no problems. As we ran it more we found ways to deal with the titans movement/aggro that were more efficient/easier, and changed our tactics. I don't run the titan multiple times every day, so I cannot say that I know every nuance of the quest - but I do know that the pillars and laser behaved a specific way one week and the following week followed a different behavior. And even the new behavior is inconsistent between pillars and instances.

If it is working as intended now, that's all well and good - we've already made adjustments to account for it. It would be nice to know for certain which is the correct behavior, but until then we'll keep adapting.

[sigtrent]

Personaly I like to clear the tops and then prep the bottoms on an as needed basis rather than doing them all ahead of time. It really cuts down on "accidents" of one kind or another.

[Palmetto]

Then something done recently, and unannounced, that fixed it. There was a period of time where the laser did not damage pillars adjacent to the strike zone. Only a few months ago we actually left the laser on the middle track where it starts, and encountered no problems. As we ran it more we found ways to deal with the titans movement/aggro that were more efficient/easier, and changed our tactics. I don't run the titan multiple times every day, so I cannot say that I know every nuance of the quest - but I do know that the pillars and laser behaved a specific way one week and the following week followed a different behavior. And even the new behavior is inconsistent between pillars and instances.

If it is working as intended now, that's all well and good - we've already made adjustments to account for it. It would be nice to know for certain which is the correct behavior, but until then we'll keep adapting.
If you consider April (or in that time frame) recent, then yeah it was recently. It was announced by Samera in the developer's section.

It is.

[Hence]

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2-----------3
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------------4
---* ----*
------------5
---* ----*
------------6
_________________
LASER PLATFORM

OR:

1
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3------------
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4------------5
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_________________
LASER PLATFORM

Works just fine also... Never prep more then one piller top at a time, and never touch the bottom of the pillers until the lazer is in place and ready to fire. Also, never fire the laser when you are not shooting the Titan.

That is all.

[GHOSTRYDER]

weird i run it at least twice a week and ALWAYS kill all the tops, then take ALL the bottoms down to about 3%, and ive NEVER had the laser, or anything else for that matter, take out a pillar

guess im just lucky

[Karethon]

If you consider April (or in that time frame) recent, then yeah it was recently. It was announced by Samera in the developer's section.

It is.


I searched for the post to see what was actually stated, but it's either been pruned or my search criteria was off. My point was not to complain about the raid, just to see if anyone else had witnessed a change in the raid. If the change was made in April, then we were extremely lucky for 4 months before we started having issues with the pillars. Either way, we have adopted new strategies that work fine and eliminate adjacent pillars.

[kat]

We did the titan raid tonight and it seemed as if the titan was knocking down the pillars on his own rather than the laser taking the pillars out. No one was casting spells and no one was swinging a weapon. And, one pillar that was knocked down was not near where a laser had been fired, but it was right next to where the titan was positioned.

We did kill the tops of all of the pillars and brought all of the bottoms to 10% though, and perhaps that was a mistake. Next time we will have to try only prepping one pillar at a time.

This was the first time we ran it after the last update. Prior to the last update, we had no problems at all with the laser damaging the pillars or with the titan knocking them down. Maybe we were just lucky.