Rogue/Paladin/Sorcerer (Yeah, its exploiting all three classes)

[WolfSpirit]

Ok, I had a long Lunch at work. Here's how I spent it:


Character Plan by WolfSpirit

Repeater Rog/Pal/Sorcerer
Level 14 Lawful Good Drow Male
(2 Paladin \ 2 Rogue \ 10 Sorcerer)
Hit Points: 92
Spell Points: 916
BAB: 8\8\13
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 19
Will: 15
Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 14) (Level 14)
Strength 9 9 9
Dexterity 15 15 18
Constitution 10 10 10
Intelligence 12 12 12
Wisdom 8 8 8
Charisma 20 23 26
Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 14) (Level 14)
Balance 2 4 4
Bluff 5 8 8
Concentration 4 17 18
Diplomacy 5 14 14
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 5 9 9
Heal 2 2 2
Hide 2 4 4
Intimidate 5 8 8
Jump -1 1 1
Listen -1 -1 1
Move Silently 2 4 4
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 1 1 1
Search 1 1 3
Spot -1 -1 1
Swim -1 -1 -1
Tumble 2.5 5.5 5.5
Use Magic Device 7 25 25

Level 1 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Heal (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Precision
Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Hypnotism
Spell (1): Jump
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Spell (1): Magic Missle
Enhancement: Improved Drow Spell Resistence I
Enhancement: Improved Drow Spell Resistence II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand Mastery I
Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Charm Person
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand Heightening I
Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Web
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Subtle Spellcasting I
Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (2): Scorching Ray
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Haste
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity III
Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Heroism
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation III
Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (3): Fireball
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II
Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold
Enhancement: Sorcerer Concentration I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III


By the way, I know all about take rogue first to get all those nice skill points. But All the feats available to me that were needed for this build required +1 BaB. Then again, I'm sure it doesn't need all the feats I've chosen... Just wanted to be a good repeater user till Mid-late levels before switching to stat damaging repeater/buffer/nuker.

Viable? Or just silliness?
Suggestions?
Scrap?

[EinarMal]

Only a couple of comments really:

1. With how many spell points Sorcs get now do you really need to ever not just cast for the most part? If you want to use a repeater for flavor I have no problem at all with that but I am not sure you ever really need to.

2. If you dip more than two levels out of sorc then you lose 9th level spells. You probably already know this but just pointing it out.

Personally I might skip tri-classing and choose one or the other if you want to dip pally or rogue. Other than for flavor I don't really see the need for ranged attacks on a Sorc anymore personally. They just get so many spell points and with the new metamagic system reducing the cost (overall) of higher level spells I would think casting a scorching ray or laying down a firewall would be way more productive than plunking away with a repeater.

Again if it is just to do something fun and different then that is fine as well.

[Roguewiz]

Personally, since you are going Hvy Repeater, I'd go

1st: Point Blank Shot
3rd: Exotic Heavy Repeating Crossbow
6th: Precision
9th: Rapid Shot
12th: Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons

(You can always switch Precision and Rapid Shot around)

You'd have +2 to hit with Ranged Weapons using this setup, and shoot faster than the setup you have.

Keep in mind, your to-hit would be:
+7 BAB
+4 Precision
+2 Point Blank and Weapon Focus
+5 Heavy Repeating Crossbow
+7 Dex (with a +6 item to give you 24 Dex)

+25 Hit without buffs, not too bad.

[EinarMal]

Personally, since you are going Hvy Repeater, I'd go

1st: Point Blank Shot
3rd: Exotic Heavy Repeating Crossbow
6th: Precision
9th: Rapid Shot
12th: Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons

(You can always switch Precision and Rapid Shot around)

You'd have +2 to hit with Ranged Weapons using this setup, and shoot faster than the setup you have.

Keep in mind, your to-hit would be:
+7 BAB
+4 Precision
+2 Point Blank and Weapon Focus
+5 Heavy Repeating Crossbow
+7 Dex (with a +6 item to give you 24 Dex)

+25 Hit without buffs, not too bad.

I thought rapid shot did not work with repeaters, at some point people complained about that anyway not sure if it was a bug or intentional?

[Roguewiz]

I thought rapid shot did not work with repeaters, at some point people complained about that anyway not sure if it was a bug or intentional?

Rapid shot does, Rapid reload doesn't (or it might be the other way around)

either way, one of em works =p

As far as dipping more than 2 levels out of Sorcerer goes, you can go

12 Sorcerer
2 Rogue
And still have 7 BAB, and your skill points as a rogue

Or

12 Sorcerer
2 Paladin
and have an 8 BAB (But, wont be able to weasel your way into Improved Crit at 8 :(, and still keep Divine Grace and have more HP)

[EinarMal]

Rapid shot does, Rapid reload doesn't (or it might be the other way around)

either way, one of em works =p

Yeah there used to be a thread about it with times but it probably was lost. If I remember I think the gain was slight so *maybe* not worth it? I cannot remember the exact details though.

[WolfSpirit]

Personally, since you are going Hvy Repeater, I'd go

1st: Point Blank Shot
3rd: Exotic Heavy Repeating Crossbow
6th: Precision
9th: Rapid Shot
12th: Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons

(You can always switch Precision and Rapid Shot around)

You'd have +2 to hit with Ranged Weapons using this setup, and shoot faster than the setup you have.

Keep in mind, your to-hit would be:
+7 BAB
+4 Precision
+2 Point Blank and Weapon Focus
+5 Heavy Repeating Crossbow
+7 Dex (with a +6 item to give you 24 Dex)

+25 Hit without buffs, not too bad.

Yeah, that is a bit better of a Feat setup.
I had also heard that the feat rapid shot was bugged, or was it rapid reload?
Either way I totally missed the point blank shot feat.

I wanted both Rogue and Paladin for the Evasion-UMD/Aura-Saves stuff with great SPs for buffing and such. Which reminds me, I prob could forgo most of the attack spells and pick up Flame arrow and several other buff spells.
This build is all flavor mixed in with effectiveness.

[Roguewiz]

Yeah there used to be a thread about it with times but it probably was lost. If I remember I think the gain was slight so *maybe* not worth it? I cannot remember the exact details though.

It would have been taking both wouldn't be worth it. However, the difference between having Rapid Shot and not having Rapid Shot is noticeable.

At least it was for me when I made my heavy repeater :)

[pastor_dex]

12 sorc/ 2 pally, get the gloves with backstabing built in.

[spifflove]

You are going to have trouble hitting and fall short on rogue skills. Probably better to drop the rogue levels considering this and move more intel points into dex.

[WolfSpirit]

12 sorc/ 2 pally, get the gloves with backstabing built in.

Won't have evasion with those great Saves


You are going to have trouble hitting and fall short on rogue skills. Probably better to drop the rogue levels considering this and move more intel points into dex.

With precision, that should help.
Also, thats why so much Sorcerer involved!
Burn em! Burn em ALL!!!

[Harbinder]

I would drop Charisma to 19 or heck, 18 starting.

[Roguewiz]

You are going to have trouble hitting and fall short on rogue skills. Probably better to drop the rogue levels considering this and move more intel points into dex.

He took Rogue for Evasion and UMD. All the other Rogue skills are a moot point.

Evasion + Divine Grace = Awesome

Taking everything into consideration, he'll do just fine (as far as hitting stuff goes). His damage will suck, but I don't think he went Heavy Repeater for DPS ;)

[WolfSpirit]

He took Rogue for Evasion and UMD. All the other Rogue skills are a moot point.

Evasion + Divine Grace = Awesome

Taking everything into consideration, he'll do just fine (as far as hitting stuff goes). His damage will suck, but I don't think he went Heavy Repeater for DPS ;)

You've got it all Roguewiz.

The repeater is to be useful for the first 5 or 6 levels or so, after that its all Stat/Curse type repeaters.

Was more planning on Buffs and fire-damage then DC of CC type spells. And half damage is still better than none!
SO,
I did lower the Cha to 18 start to increase Dex to 17 Start and was able to bring Str up to 10 to carry more weight. But I don't want to go lower than that or I'm giving up too much in Bonus Saving Throws.

Also included the Feats of Precision (lv 3), Point Blank Shot (lv 6), Precise Shot (lv 9), and WF:Ranged (lv 12). But the feat selection is purely for the Repeater focus, they can be swapped out from lv 6 on for a more Sorcerer DPS focus if thats your interest.

Truly, this is just a concept build. I've not the time nor the PC slots to make this one happen. Just trying to see the viability of it as you never know what the future may hold...