Khyber's Fight Club - "It's An All Out Brawl!"

[Nexx]

Khyber's Fight Club
"It's An All Out Brawl!"

DATE: FRIDAY - AUGUST 24, 2007
TIME: 8:00 PM MOUNTAIN / 10:00 PM EASTERN

PVP ARENA: The Phoenix Tavern, Marketplace (Changed)



Alright! I've decided to host another event! This time it's completely
turned the tables, it's going to be a blood bath.





Here's how this event works:


1.) Eight (8) Sets of ten (10) members will need to sign up (must be level 14)

NOTE:
The first four (4) Sets of ten (10) members will be of MELEE classes ONLY. - 40 Total
The second four (4) Sets of ten (10) members will be of CASTER classes ONLY. - 40 Total



[1st set of 10]
person1 vs. person2 ---------- 1 Champion
person3 vs. person4 ---------- 1 Champion
person5 vs. person6 ---------- 1 Champion
person7 vs. person8 ---------- 1 Champion
person9 vs. person10 --------- 1 Champion

[2nd set of 10]
person1 vs. person2 ---------- 1 Champion
person3 vs. person4 ---------- 1 Champion
person5 vs. person6 ---------- 1 Champion
person7 vs. person8 ---------- 1 Champion
person9 vs. person10 --------- 1 Champion

[3rd set of 10]
person1 vs. person2 ---------- 1 Champion
person3 vs. person4 ---------- 1 Champion
person5 vs. person6 ---------- 1 Champion
person7 vs. person8 ---------- 1 Champion
person9 vs. person10 --------- 1 Champion

[4th set of 10]
person1 vs. person2 ---------- 1 Champion
person3 vs. person4 ---------- 1 Champion
person5 vs. person6 ---------- 1 Champion
person7 vs. person8 ---------- 1 Champion
person9 vs. person10 --------- 1 Champion

***I WILL PAIR YOU UP WITH YOUR OPPONENT AND WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO GO INTO THE PIT TO FACE OFF***


The four (4) remaining Champions from each set will then go against each other.

1ST VS. 2ND -------- 1 CHAMPION
3RD VS. 4TH -------- 1 CHAMPION

*Remaining Champs go 1 on 1 to see who gets the 500,000 platinum (splitting from 1 Million platinum)

1 Melee - 500,000 platinum
1 Caster- 500,000 platinum



Best out of 3 wins the match.
*If you are killed by your opponent then you are out of the competition
completely. One exception is if you are both killed at the same time your
match will be reset! Other than that NO EXCUSES & ABSOLUTELY NO COMPLAINING.



RULES:
(A couple of these rules aren't quite set in stone yet, it is very hard to plan something out with a fair set of rules. If you have any suggestions that would help feel free to add your input.)

* Please don't trash talk your opponent - this event was made to be friendly and fun! If you are caught doing so
you will be disqualified from the competition and asked to leave the pit.




Combatants step into the pit unbuffed, inpspected by the ref as they climb down the ladder. (earth seal stoneskin the jerky and jungle cloak can only be applied on the platform, so keep this in mind -eat seal of the earth as verification?-)

Each is given a minute in the pit to prepare for war.

No vorping, as this is instant death without a save.

I'm in agreement with outlawing the stat dmg weapons, but that's just because I'm in for the good sport. (Blessing of the Silver Flame counterbalances this anyways leading to an unfair advantage)

As for destruction, hold person, paralysis, flesh to stone and the finger... If the character cant save then that is a weakness in the build. As for the natural ones, best of of three covers that.

Dispell magic? Viewed by the community as somewhat cheesy. The higher moral stance would be to take on your opponent at their prime, but I can see why it would be allowed. again I play a cleric and deathward cancels out my major killers. I'm okay with that though.


PVE abilities only, playing as if we were in the Deathmatch arena which is the same ruleset we play by in the field. By this I imply no tavern tricks like running in a circle or shield blocking while your LOH recharge, no eating and drinking. This can be managed by the ref, calling a stop and restart when such tactics are brought into play. (Maybe each combatant must state how many LOH or halfing Heals they have before the match begins? That might be a step onto the slope of Slip'pery however )



*TIME LIMIT & BEST OUT OF 3: Each match will have a 10 Minute timer (to limit the long fights). If the match lasts longer than 10 minutes I will then ask for audience to cast their vote as to who should win that round. Best out of 3 rounds wins and moves on to the next stage.

* HAVE FUN!




NOTE: I will be watching each match/face off to make sure the rules are being followed.



Any questions or concerns please write me via forum thread, forum mail, or in-game! THANKS!

**Signing up - Please provide the name of your Character and their Class**




SIGN UPS:
Melee Classes

1. Meatwad, Barbarian 11. 21. 31.
2. Wicked, Rogue Fighter 12. 22. 32.
3. Redhood Cobra, Barbarian 13. 23. 33.
4. Thistles, Baelketh Slayer14. 24. 34.
5. Mulligan, Pally Fighter 15. 25. 35.
6. Axer, Barbarian 16. 26. 36.
7. Quicktoez, Battle Bard 17. 27. 37.
8. 18. 28. 38.
9. 19. 29. 39.
10. 20. 30. 40.


Caster Classes

1. Ghom, Battle Cleric 11. 21. 31.
2. Keres, Battle Sorcerer 12. 22. 32.
3. Wizgoddess, Wizard 13. 23. 33.
4. Baelketh, Dwarven Demigod of Power 14. 24. 34.
5. Asmeudues, Wizard 15. 25. 35.
6. 16. 26. 36.
7. 17. 27. 37.
8. 18. 28. 38.
9. 19. 29. 39.
10. 20. 30. 40.




If we happen to not get enough people to sign up I will just use the what competitors we have and continue with the event - still splitting the winnings 50/50 :)

All matches will be recorded and put together into 1 full length video for those of you who are unable to attend. Videos will be posted on YOUTUBE. I will provide a link once the video is complete and submitted.

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

I can bring a caster or a melee.

Here's a question though, what category would a ranger fall into?

[Nexx]

I can bring a caster or a melee.

Here's a question though, what category would a ranger fall into?


Ranged/Melee pretty much so he/she will be melee classed

[Svetelana]

Sounds fun....

No other rules though? What about our friends that like to eat a late dinner at the tavern or what about receiving outside buffs from other classes/house P or drinking pots etc....?

[Nexx]

Sounds fun....

No other rules though? What about our friends that like to eat a late dinner at the tavern or what about receiving outside buffs from other classes/house P or drinking pots etc....?

Those are allowed, like I said above absolutely no insta-kill or holding methods allowed. Do what you can to win except for those 2 methods and everything will be fine :)

[Indrn_Fretgoop]

Ghom will fight Ghom smash!

[CobraChaos]

heya ill sign up i guess

Wicked 13 Rogue / 1 fighter

[Staedtler]

Am I to understand that a ranger using a wounding/puncturing bow, multishot and speedboost is completely legit?

Does a 12wiz/2ftr battle wizard in full plate with an axe and no direct damage spells fall into caster or melee?

[Nexx]

Seeing that a Ranger could use the Multi-shot + Wounding Puncturing bow as their defense to a lot it can be considered as an insta-kill method. Getting feedback from users will help me have a more rounded & firm RULES section. So please do give me feedback so that we can better this competition. :cool:

[Torosar]

Seeing that a Ranger could use the Multi-shot + Wounding Puncturing bow as their defense to a lot it can be considered as an insta-kill method. Getting feedback from users will help me have a more rounded & firm RULES section. So please do give me feedback so that we can better this competition. :cool:

Hey Nexx,

I just read this and thought i should suggest that there's nothing stopping anyone from just shield blocking for 20 seconds while the multi shot wears out and then due to the massive cool down you won't have to worry about it again. It's not like with spells or vorpals that are going to hit you either way.. you won't suffer the con damage if you play smart and block.. or even just jump around and zig zag. If you were to deem multi shot unfair.. wouldn't you have to start deeming things like cleave, trip and stunning blow unfair too.. what about paladins and the fact they will have infinite Lay On Hands? Every class is going to have its advantages over other types and personally id like to see classes able to utilise them.

[Nexx]

Hey Nexx,

I just read this and thought i should suggest that there's nothing stopping anyone from just shield blocking for 20 seconds while the multi shot wears out and then due to the massive cool down you won't have to worry about it again. It's not like with spells or vorpals that are going to hit you either way.. you won't suffer the con damage if you play smart and block.. or even just jump around and zig zag. If you were to deem multi shot unfair.. wouldn't you have to start deeming things like cleave, trip and stunning blow unfair too.. what about paladins and the fact they will have infinite Lay On Hands? Every class is going to have its advantages over other types and personally id like to see classes able to utilise them.


Torosar,

Thank you for replying back to me with this. I actually never thought about that! :D So with that being said...multi-shot will be allowed in the competition..you will all just have to play smart and out-game your opponent with the skills you have.


Just be prepared to go up against anything in this event!

[Bizbag]

I can understand why Death spells like PK, FoD, SL and Destruction are banned, but why dispelling and Deific Vengence? A simple Death Ward buff blocks off a cleric's best offensive damage spell (Harm), and you're not allowing him to dispel it? Clerical PvP has always been about dispelling your opponent.

Let me put it this way: Cleric's attack spells include (but are not limited to) Nimbus of Light, Searing Light, Inflict Wounds, Harm, Cometfall, and Flame Strike.

Harm and Inflict are completely blocked with Death Ward.

The rest of those spells can be dodged incredibly easily, as the animation has a delay. With hopped-up casters in the pit, there's no way for a cleric to compete under your rules.

[Nexx]

I can understand why Death spells like PK, FoD, SL and Destruction are banned, but why dispelling and Deific Vengence? A simple Death Ward buff blocks off a cleric's best offensive damage spell (Harm), and you're not allowing him to dispel it? Clerical PvP has always been about dispelling your opponent.

Let me put it this way: Cleric's attack spells include (but are not limited to) Nimbus of Light, Searing Light, Inflict Wounds, Harm, Cometfall, and Flame Strike.

Harm and Inflict are completely blocked with Death Ward.

The rest of those spells can be dodged incredibly easily, as the animation has a delay. With hopped-up casters in the pit, there's no way for a cleric to compete under your rules.



You have to realize not everyone carries Death Ward Spell or Clickies whatever. And like I said before Deific Vengence can easily kill a caster with little hp with 1 hit, that is why it's being out-lawed in this event. But from the looks of it you're not thinking about Wizards or Sorcerers in the competition you're only thinking about a Cleric. Dispelling I have also outlawed because it gives a disadvantage to your opponent if they are not able to dispell you as well. You have to look at things from both sides of the table..not just one...and if someone doesn't like the rules they don't have to join the event.

[Staedtler]

Dispelling I have also outlawed because it gives a disadvantage to your opponent if they are not able to dispell you as well.

Why can't wizards load this spell? A sorcerer CHOOSES not to take this spell. Sounds pretty fair to me.


And like I said before Deific Vengence can easily kill a caster with little hp with 1 hit, that is why it's being out-lawed in this event.

So can a lot of spells. A max+emp cone of cold will hit for ~1000 points of damage. A successful reflex save it gets to enjoy half of that. (since it's only caster v. caster, nothing has rogue levels and hence evasion.) Fire shield and resist cold will bring that down to around 200 points. Still enough to one-hit a lot of casters. The same can be said for fireball.

In my opinion, the best thing to do is to throw the rules out the window. Casters v. melees! Dispell all you want! Hold things and hit them with Finger of Death! This will reward people who are better at adapting. Get yourself a good set of saves. Pick up a death ward clicky by spending 20 min running tangleroot. Beef up your HP so you don't get killed in one hit. There are very, very few insta-kill spells in this game. PK and FOD both grant saves. Con damage can be negated with shield blocking. I believe the only spells in the game which do damage which can't be saved against are Nimbus of Light and Searing Light. Both are cleric spells and does that mean they should be outlawed? I see it as one of the perks of being a cleric. Clerics don't have the huge SP pool of sorcerers or the same depth of direct damage spells as a wizard.

And how do you plan to place multiclass characters?

[Boldrin]

Isn't everyone missing the point here?? It's all about having fun and killing each other. :)

[Nemsin]

I will come. By PVP Arena do you mean Deathmatch arena or just the normal tavern brawl area?
Thistles

[Baelketh]

I'd like to get in on the fun. Sign Baelketh up if ya dont mind.

I vote to allow vengeance though. Casters can one shot us just as easily. Besides, it's a build decision on the caster's part to have low hitpoints. I know quite a few wizards with 200+ hps.

[Nexx]

I'm not getting feedback from any melee users on how they feel about any of the caster spells IF they were to go up against them like someone has said above. I'm trying to make this as fair as possible for BOTH PVP spec'd toons and NON PVP spec'd toons. Seeing that I'm trying to SPLIT the reward 50/50 between the two classes I don't think I'm going to have melee vs. casters. What do you consider to be fair? A caster who is PVP spec'd vs. a caster who isn't? Yes I can agree that sorcs do choose not to have dispell, but a lot of the time when I'm in PVP when someone dispells it tends to anger the other person. I really want this event to be fun not some event full of blood thirsty savages :P So please do tell me what EVERYONE wants to use in pvp BESIDES holding spells... I'd really like to know...

[Nexx]

I will come. By PVP Arena do you mean Deathmatch arena or just the normal tavern brawl area?
Thistles

Just normal Tavern Brawl
Which character and class are you signing up?

[Nexx]

And how do you plan to place multiclass characters?



Multi-class characters will be placed in whatever category they're mainly used for.

If I have any questions on the multiclass toons I ask them where they feel they should be placed. I don't automatically say "hey you're an evasion pally sorc you're going straight to the casters arena!" :p

[Nexx]

Isn't everyone missing the point here?? It's all about having fun and killing each other. :)

Haha and I must say that I do agree with you ;)

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

Why can't wizards load this spell? A sorcerer CHOOSES not to take this spell. Sounds pretty fair to me.

A wizard can put dispell into his spell set 30 seconds before a fight. A sorceror who is not specced for PvP (as in, who has spells needed for normal quests rather than PvP) would have to spend a big wad of cash for dispell, AND then wait three days before they replace it with a spell that is actually useful in normal quests.

Master Kadish

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

Just normal Tavern Brawl

Is any given match going to be best out of 3 or something like that, or just whoever beats the other first?

Master Kadish

[Nexx]

To think about it I may end up having it be best out of 3. Then once you're knocked out - you're out of the competition completely. That sounds like it would be fair enough?

[Citymorg]

I would like to bring Redhood Cobra, Barbarian 12/Sorcerer 2 as a melee class. As far as Melee vs. Caster, my personal feeling is that it is not a fair fight. A caster can hit me across the room, Scorching Ray or Cone of Cold for 300-800 hit points. Even with protection and resist and 420hp it is effectively and insta kill. There is no way that I can consistently do that type of damage to caster in one hit, everytime.

[Blazer]

I would like to bring Redhood Cobra, Barbarian 12/Sorcerer 2 as a melee class. As far as Melee vs. Caster, my personal feeling is that it is not a fair fight. A caster can hit me across the room, Scorching Ray or Cone of Cold for 300-800 hit points. Even with protection and resist and 420hp it is effectively and insta kill. There is no way that I can consistently do that type of damage to caster in one hit, everytime.

But you don't need to do that kind of damage to the caster, do you? You just need to get close enough once to trip them. I'm guessing as a 12 Barb you're raging at 36ish STR. I'm guessing the sorc/wiz isn't likely to save versus that. Then once they're prone, it will only take a few whacks to kill them. If you've got Stunning Blow, go for that also.

[Citymorg]

But you don't need to do that kind of damage to the caster, do you? You just need to get close enough once to trip them. I'm guessing as a 12 Barb you're raging at 36ish STR. I'm guessing the sorc/wiz isn't likely to save versus that. Then once they're prone, it will only take a few whacks to kill them. If you've got Stunning Blow, go for that also.

While that's true, I do rage to 36str and if I can land a trip on them they are in trouble. Problem is they have area effect to 1-shot kill me and I need to be in Melee range. Even then, when they had Stoneskin, Displacement, Haste, etc. etc it be longer than my trip lasts before I kill them (sometimes even at doing almost 100pts per swing).

[Soul-Shaker]

You have to realize not everyone carries Death Ward Spell or Clickies whatever. And like I said before Deific Vengence can easily kill a caster with little hp with 1 hit, that is why it's being out-lawed in this event. But from the looks of it you're not thinking about Wizards or Sorcerers in the competition you're only thinking about a Cleric. Dispelling I have also outlawed because it gives a disadvantage to your opponent if they are not able to dispell you as well. You have to look at things from both sides of the table..not just one...and if someone doesn't like the rules they don't have to join the event.

But youve also stated which means everyone can get DW.


Sounds fun....

No other rules though? What about our friends that like to eat a late dinner at the tavern or what about receiving outside buffs from other classes/house P or drinking pots etc....?




Those are allowed, like I said above absolutely no insta-kill or holding methods allowed. Do what you can to win except for those 2 methods and everything will be fine

[Soul-Shaker]

Since this will be in the pit instead of the area. How would you handle super long MELEE fights due to food/drink/regen/heals/LoH/and blocking or running while regening since not all ftrs will be str base to bypass blocking dr. But with some melee builds debuffs, a DRAW or Very Long fight can happen in a pit situation.

[Nexx]

Look I don't need this to turn into a big deal. If you don't like the way things are set up at the moment DONT join simple as that. I've already gotten people to sign up and I will just have them battle it out for the money that I'm giving away so generously. All I'm trying to do is have a fun event for people to participate in. Not everyone is going to like the rules, but without rules there isn't an event. :rolleyes:

[Shade]

Since this will be in the pit instead of the area. How would you handle super long MELEE fights due to food/drink/regen/heals/LoH/and blocking or running while regening since not all ftrs will be str base to bypass blocking dr. But with some melee builds debuffs, a DRAW or Very Long fight can happen in a pit situation.

heh you know even your pure tank pvp build can get killed eventually.

Sure it can be a long fight, ive taken over 10mins to kill some palladins.. But they die eventually.

[Soul-Shaker]

heh you know even your pure tank pvp build can get killed eventually.

Sure it can be a long fight, ive taken over 10mins to kill some palladins.. But they die eventually.

I know, but now take this into the possibility of best out of 3, and the number of participants. You could get some going for 30 mins. and I dont think everyone waiting would like this. But oh well since Im just trying to help with thinking ahead. Ive had similar situations of long fights when its melee thats why it was worth mentioning. Unfortunately I cant make it to this event anyway since Im working. GL to participants

[Nemsin]

Thistles, melee competitor.

[CobraChaos]

so no wounding of puncturing got it :p not that puncturing truly matters considering almost all have heavy fort but a quick question, Can other stat busting damage weps be used ?

[Barik]

sign me up. sounds like a great idea :)

Mulligan- paladin/fighter

[Xanstrollinoax]

K, I'd love to participate on Asmeudues my wiz. Just one question if I one hit someone with lightning are you counting it as an insta kill lol :)

[Nexx]

Changed the tavern where this event will take place, please make sure you are aware of this change.

[Baelketh]

.... So whycome thistle's gets tagged 'Multiclass' Like that joke'ah has class? The dwarven priests get rolled up as 'Battle Cleric' We've got class too! Maybe call us 'Avatars of Deva'station' Or Dwarven Demigods of Power, something snazzy like that?

[Nemsin]

I would suggest both combatants enter the brawl area unbuffed, get 1 min to self buff. Then begin the fight, and do not allow food! If you allow external buffs everyone will be making trips to house P house J and their nearest bard, ranger, wiz and cleric friends for every buff in the game. Since the idea is 1 on 1 competition, self buffs is really the only thing that makes sense. Let me know so I can start assembling my team of fluffers, I mean buffers if needed.

Also will there be a time limit? I can see situations where melee matches could go on for a loooong time (especially if u allow tavern food). Maybe something like a 10min limit. Then judges decision as to a winner if it goes to time. Shieldblocking for 10+min while u tavern regen just should not be rewarded. Especially when you have removed the natural counter to that defense (i.e., vorpal).

Thistles

P.S. My class is Baelketh Slayer

P.S.S. Where are the rest of the pvp heavies. Ashlynne, Quicktoezy, Rhada, get in here and bring some validity to this event!

[Nexx]

Ok I've updated the rules & I've updated your "classes" hope you're happy Baelketh! Lol...any more questions or concerns please feel free to voice yourself :)

[Shade]

Why are you disallowing food?
Thats a bit unfair, it favors paladins or any class with good umd to self heal because the tavern refresh instantly fills all lay on hands and clickies, but not your hitpoints - which pure fighters and barbarians cant fix.
I really don't think there should be any rules for melee, even if someone used food, w/p, vorpal and paralyzers on me I wouldnt care, still could kill them rather fast. If we dont want food we should do arena match.

Anyways,

Signing up Axer, hes a level 14 Axer

[Nexx]

Self healing will be allowed ie. wands, pots. Lay on hands, full heal, other healing spells taken out of play during competition. I will add you to the roster.

[Nemsin]

If a character can cure light or cure serious wounds himself is that allowed?
Thistles

[Baelketh]

Nexx started up a new thread focusing on the specifics of the rules. It's been put to a vote, everyone be sure to pass your insight over to the new thread.


http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=119030



Baelketh Strakheln
Dwarven Defender

[Citymorg]

Nexx, due to some other obligations (wife aggro and work) I am not sure I am going to be able to make. If you need my slot, give it to someone else. Otherwise, if I am not there on time, consider me a no-show/forfeit.

[Nexx]

Not a problem at all, we will be taking a moment before we actually begin the competition to go over the rules and make sure people fully understand them if you happen to miss the match I'm sorry you weren't able to make it, but this won't be the last event I host :) I'll host many more in the future just have to try and save plat lmfao...

[Shade]

While some in my position might offer up flames and such, i'd just like to offer a few interesting facts about tonights fun event.

1. The rules of the competition were broken on the very first match, but it was allowed to slide (wizzgoddess jumped outside the arena to haste herself)
2. One round was DQ'd for breaking a rule which would not have changed the outcome of the match.
3. The rules constantly changes based on the host mood
4. Several people who were not competing entered and left the arena and were not DQ'd.
5. Axer was DQ'd for a rule which was not valid for over 80% of the event. (ie - not possible to break)
6. It was a fun event. I'm glad I made some ppl laugh.

[wizzy_catt]

While some in my position might offer up flames and such, i'd just like to offer a few interesting facts about tonights fun event.

1. The rules of the competition were broken on the very first match, but it was allowed to slide (wizzgoddess jumped outside the arena to haste herself)
2. One round was DQ'd for breaking a rule which would not have changed the outcome of the match.
3. The rules constantly changes based on the host mood
4. Several people who were not competing entered and left the arena and were not DQ'd.
5. Axer was DQ'd for a rule which was not valid for over 80% of the event. (ie - not possible to break)
6. It was a fun event. I'm glad I made some ppl laugh.


rule stated that self buff only but since haste was not allowed down in the pit only way is to haste on top like time wrap whitch was not violated with the rule. or else nobody buff up lets fight naked. people like YouKnowWho disrupting the matches by throwng spells at the contestants and challenges EULA. such simple rules you cant follow and you call yourself adults...3 yr olds could do better than you guys. what a shame.

[stz]

While some in my position might offer up flames and such, i'd just like to offer a few interesting facts about tonights fun event.

1. The rules of the competition were broken on the very first match, but it was allowed to slide (wizzgoddess jumped outside the arena to haste herself)
2. One round was DQ'd for breaking a rule which would not have changed the outcome of the match.
3. The rules constantly changes based on the host mood
4. Several people who were not competing entered and left the arena and were not DQ'd.
5. Axer was DQ'd for a rule which was not valid for over 80% of the event. (ie - not possible to break)
6. It was a fun event. I'm glad I made some ppl laugh.



2. Hey try attending any sports event in real life, get into the sports arena ( i.e boxing ring ) and tell people that you standing there ain't gonna change the outcome of the match. :O ???

4. How can u DQ someone who is not even competing for entering and leaving the arena. It all comes back to yourselves to have a basic courtesy and stay out of the pit.

6. Glad some people could still laugh.


:)