Dutiful Clerics

[turkeymoon]

I've read thread after thread of people complaining about clerics and ran with enough complainers well here's something in response.

You shouldn't complain about heals if:
1. The clerics HP bar is lower than yours.
(That should be a big hint that the cleric is taking care of others before themselves)
2. You are not a tank and are constantly drawing agro.
(Your way of play but it's the clerics decision on who is better off getting healed. A tank has a better chance to survive AND kill things so the soul stones can be ran to a shrine or ressed when the smoke clears)
3. You are a tank that takes more damage than the other tanks.
(Again it's your way of play but taking mondo amounts of damage as apposed to your counterparts means that you're not prepared for the quest)
4. You've never played one.
(Clerics know how to watch the stat bars and take care of healing. How often have you looked at any other stat bar besides yours when you're taking damage? Probably not very often)
5. You've forgotten to carry any pots.
6. You've ran away from the group.
7. You're delusional.
(Super Man syndrome and the like. Your suppose to be a member of a team)
8. The cleric is out of SP.
(Never request a wand whipping unless you've contributed to the wand fund. Hardly ever is it requested of casters to cast anything if they are out of SP. The same should go for clerics)
9. The cleric has died.
(This is always a good one - cleric dies, request comes over the wire, player is ****ed that the cleric has died. See #4)

There are more that I'm sure others can post....

[Madmardigan]

this thread is full of fail.


clerics are bad

[Taldrok]

I often find that most clerics are wasting a spot in the party that could be more effectively occupied by a rogue or ranger.


Clerics are for noob parties.

[Levit]

I often find that most clerics are wasting a spot in the party that could be more effectively occupied by a rogue or ranger.


Clerics are for noob parties.

Could you elaborate? Give examples?

Are you saying that clerics are no longer needed? I'm kind'uv curious of your thoughts.

[LewsTherin]

lol. Here's a word of advice Levit. Never ever believe what Taldrok says. It'll save u alot of stress.

[Levit]

Dang, everything was much easier on a smaller server! Don't know when someone is pulling a chain or is serious, lol.

I was really looking forward to his comment though!

[Rameses]

Have you learned nothing so far of our guild?
But in truth there are a few rogues running around known as Penitent Rogues copies of mine that can easily full-fill the roll of cleric.

I am, Rameses!

[Palladin]

3. You are a tank that takes more damage than the other tanks.
(Again it's your way of play but taking mondo amounts of damage as apposed to your counterparts means that you're not prepared for the quest)

Not totally true if that tank is doing a lot more damage than the rest or is using intimidate he's gonna draw more aggro and take more damage which in turn is actually easier on the cleric. Much easier healing one person than 3 or 4 at a time.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Have you learned nothing so far of our guild?
But in truth there are a few rogues running around known as Penitent Rogues copies of mine that can easily full-fill the roll of cleric.

I am, Rameses!

I've filled in as the spare healer on a raid before with my paladin... He still fails one in four heal scrolls, but... Meh..

[Yaga_Nub]

Have you learned nothing so far of our guild?
But in truth there are a few rogues running around known as Penitent Rogues copies of mine that can easily full-fill the roll of cleric.

I am, Rameses!

Actualy Ram there is nothing in Taldrok's sig that indicates he's a TF and most people from Mabar would not automatically know that.

And yes clerics are no longer needed in any party. 40+ UMD FTW!

Thank you Palladin for making the excellent post. I really can't stand blanket statements like .... "Again it's your way of play but taking mondo amounts of damage as apposed to your counterparts means that you're not prepared for the quest."

The only blanket statement that needs ever be said on Argo or written in this forum is that Yaga Nub is Lord of Argonessen and all should drop and prostrate themselves before him!

[Aspenor]

The only blanket statement that needs ever be said on Argo or written in this forum is that Yaga Nub is Lord of Argonessen and all should drop and prostrate themselves before him!

Wrong!!!!

[Allorious]

My God, my sorcerer plays cleric and nukes and buffs...ect. My cleric?? He kills.

[Khestral]

Sounds about right these days Allorious. I've gone battle happy with my mana a few times with Khes and end up getting ressed by the Sorc.

[KoboldKiller]

I have never experienced these so called "bad" clerics. IMHO we have one of the best I have ever played with in my guild. Next time you think the cleric "failed" check to see what you were doing first that contributed to the "failure".

[Zorlinta]

And all this is if u suposse that have a healer cleric and not a battle cleric :p

[turkeymoon]

And all this is if u suposse that have a healer cleric and not a battle cleric :p

That's right - a healing cleric. Last I heard and knew a battle cleric was a Paladin.

[turkeymoon]

And all this is if u suposse that have a healer cleric and not a battle cleric :p


Wow, you've never played with a good BC? Sorry to hear that. I'll take a good BC over a Pally any day. If you ever get the chance group with Ugonnadie, he's the best BC in the game. Better than a cleric and better than most tanks.

Nope - just the kind that can sometimes take care of themselves in a 1-1 but go down hard and fast when jumping into the heat of things.

[Rameses]

Wow, you've never played with a good BC? Sorry to hear that. I'll take a good BC over a Pally any day. If you ever get the chance group with Ugonnadie, he's the best BC in the game. Better than a cleric and better than most tanks.

QFT!

Though I wouldn't advise eccepting his Blade Barrier...

which reminds me!

I am, Rameses!

[Jondallar]

The only blanket statement that needs ever be said on Argo or written in this forum is that Yaga Nub is Lord of Argonessen and all should drop and prostrate themselves before him!

I will bow before you (facing the other way) and show you my prostate !!:p

[Levit]

I will bow before you (facing the other way) and show you my prostate !!:p

LOL! I wonder if Yaga did a google search for prostate to figure out if you were insulting him!

[Khestral]

I will say this... and Ugonna is never going to let me forget it...

Nick's Battlecleric is one of the best cleric in the game. He can deal out damage, but he can also heal. When we run a raid and he's in it, I know that he's the one tank I don't have to keep an eye on the health bar on. Now, I'll toss out heals if he's low on mana - which is rare for him - but I recall many raids he's saved because I've flown up into the spikes in reaver and he's taken over main cleric and we still completed successfully. A good battlecleric is an asset... but you might want to have a CC/heal cleric along for the ride as well.

[Cayrie]

Geez...all this Ugonna flattery. Now I'm going to have to insult him for weeks to deflate his ego! :rolleyes:

[Tavok]

I've read thread after thread of people complaining about clerics and ran with enough complainers well here's something in response.

You shouldn't complain about heals if:
1. The clerics HP bar is lower than yours.
(That should be a big hint that the cleric is taking care of others before themselves)
2. You are not a tank and are constantly drawing agro.
(Your way of play but it's the clerics decision on who is better off getting healed. A tank has a better chance to survive AND kill things so the soul stones can be ran to a shrine or ressed when the smoke clears)
3. You are a tank that takes more damage than the other tanks.
(Again it's your way of play but taking mondo amounts of damage as apposed to your counterparts means that you're not prepared for the quest)
4. You've never played one.
(Clerics know how to watch the stat bars and take care of healing. How often have you looked at any other stat bar besides yours when you're taking damage? Probably not very often)
5. You've forgotten to carry any pots.
6. You've ran away from the group.
7. You're delusional.
(Super Man syndrome and the like. Your suppose to be a member of a team)
8. The cleric is out of SP.
(Never request a wand whipping unless you've contributed to the wand fund. Hardly ever is it requested of casters to cast anything if they are out of SP. The same should go for clerics)
9. The cleric has died.
(This is always a good one - cleric dies, request comes over the wire, player is ****ed that the cleric has died. See #4)

There are more that I'm sure others can post....

Another simpleton that can't see over the dashboard... how surprising. You think that all zerging harms a group, this is rather wrong. Instead, it gets the quest done faster if you have a decent cleric. You don't have to be a full blown heal bot to be a good cleric. You get your cure spells auto-memmed, so its not a problem actualy casting them. And as a cleric you know your responsibility (whether you like it or not) is to keep the party alive. If this wasn't true we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You are pointing out flaws in bad players, not bad stratgies. I played a cleric to level 14 but then deleted him because he was really a uni-tasker and I didn't like that. But I had to tell people to start doing the actual quest and stop kissing my ass solely because I had a blue flame symbol next to my name.

I also love the constant potion yapping, but yet pp vs. pp, potions are wayyy more expensive than wands could ever be. So everyone else in the group is expected to fork over some big cash for something that can be achieved through A.) Spell Points (I think a lot of people forget clerics have spells points and not just wands), or B.) Wands which are much cheaper than potions.

Stop thinking there is only one mind set to clerics. Some clerics actually want to get the quest done, and not have the party treat them as royalty. The latter often results in the quest taking what... 2x longer? Because the cleric can't comprehend how to push buttons for his spells to work quickly.

[turkeymoon]

Another simpleton that can't see over the dashboard... how surprising. You think that all zerging harms a group, this is rather wrong. Instead, it gets the quest done faster if you have a decent cleric. You don't have to be a full blown heal bot to be a good cleric. You get your cure spells auto-memmed, so its not a problem actualy casting them. And as a cleric you know your responsibility (whether you like it or not) is to keep the party alive. If this wasn't true we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You are pointing out flaws in bad players, not bad stratgies. I played a cleric to level 14 but then deleted him because he was really a uni-tasker and I didn't like that. But I had to tell people to start doing the actual quest and stop kissing my ass solely because I had a blue flame symbol next to my name.

I also love the constant potion yapping, but yet pp vs. pp, potions are wayyy more expensive than wands could ever be. So everyone else in the group is expected to fork over some big cash for something that can be achieved through A.) Spell Points (I think a lot of people forget clerics have spells points and not just wands), or B.) Wands which are much cheaper than potions.

Stop thinking there is only one mind set to clerics. Some clerics actually want to get the quest done, and not have the party treat them as royalty. The latter often results in the quest taking what... 2x longer? Because the cleric can't comprehend how to push buttons for his spells to work quickly.

For the simpleton part - whatever.
For the zerging part - never mentioned zerging.
For the flaws - you are right. The post was for just that - players and not strategies.
For the potion part - whatever again. The post stated that "you forgot to carry any pots". See the part you wrote about players. Not being prepared is your responsibility as a player.
For the mindset - whatever a third time. Read your own reply ("Stop thinking there is only one mind set to clerics." "And as a cleric you know your responsibility (whether you like it or not) is to keep the party alive. If this wasn't true we wouldn't be having this discussion.
"). Did I miss something?

[Aspenor]

There arent many quests that Ugonnadie hasnt successfully run with my caster. We 2 man almost anything. Like I said, nothing beats a good BC....except a great caster. :D

I guess that counts you out, then, eh???

[TommyBoy]

8. The cleric is out of SP.
(Never request a wand whipping unless you've contributed to the wand fund. Hardly ever is it requested of casters to cast anything if they are out of SP. The same should go for clerics)


My wizzy has often been asked to bring wands of mm and scrolls of CK (when they were avaible) My clerics often wand heal to save sp for the oh S#17 times.

I have for you to add though

10 If your a wiz/sorc and your cleric is a WF repair him if asks or don't get ****ed if he has no sp/ wands to heal you with.

[Strakeln]

3. You are a tank that takes more damage than the other tanks.
(Again it's your way of play but taking mondo amounts of damage as apposed to your counterparts means that you're not prepared for the quest) Careful with this one. I was in a quest with a few paper tanks, so I had my barb switch to defensive mode (yes, that is possible with the right build ;) ) and started intimidating everything. Cleric started complaining that I was taking all of the damage while the other tanks were taking nothing. I tried to explain what I was doing, but to no avail. So I stopped. Down went the paper tanks, faster than you can say "HJEAL!". Multiple times.

Next thing you know, the cleric is asking me to go back to taking damage.

I know the use of intimidate is all too uncommon, but I would imagine watching 1 HP bar is easier than watching three or more.

[Khestral]

I know the use of intimidate is all too uncommon, but I would imagine watching 1 HP bar is easier than watching three or more.

This is true... We have several tanks in TF that use intimidate a lot, and I love it on all, Cleric, Rogue and Tank.

[Rameses]

Who uses Cloud Kill? that is so last year.

Barbarians don't answer to clerics. Clerics answer to Barbarians

[Ozoro]

Who uses Cloud Kill? that is so last year.

Barbarians don't answer to clerics. Clerics answer to Barbarians

QFT!!!

[turkeymoon]

Careful with this one. I was in a quest with a few paper tanks, so I had my barb switch to defensive mode (yes, that is possible with the right build ;) ) and started intimidating everything. Cleric started complaining that I was taking all of the damage while the other tanks were taking nothing. I tried to explain what I was doing, but to no avail. So I stopped. Down went the paper tanks, faster than you can say "HJEAL!". Multiple times.

Next thing you know, the cleric is asking me to go back to taking damage.

I know the use of intimidate is all too uncommon, but I would imagine watching 1 HP bar is easier than watching three or more.

Paper tanks. I like that one and will have to remember it. I think that would be the exception to the rule if it's intentional. I have to admit that I never thought of doing what you mentioned. I think it's a good strategy and that cleric you mentioned got smart ;)

[akla_thornfist]

i love playing my cleric its the most challenging class to play imo, you have to change the way you play your cleric according to the group your in. lets say your in a group of seasoned guildies throw a few heals, couple buffs and then cast destuction till you run out of sp trying to keep up in kill counts.

now lets say your in a pug with some not so seasoned players and there getting there asses handed to them, so now im casting cometfall followed with a greater command and then lots of heals keeping everyone alive, wont have the sp for destruction but still enjoy being the healbot.

my favorite group has 2 clerics, one healbot and one battle you dont have to conserve sp as much and can come out with the big guns.

[Yaga_Nub]

I will bow before you (facing the other way) and show you my prostate !!:p

And what a cute prostate you have too Jond. By the way, you might have stage 2 cancer, might want to have that checked out by a cleric.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Not totally true if that tank is doing a lot more damage than the rest or is using intimidate he's gonna draw more aggro and take more damage which in turn is actually easier on the cleric. Much easier healing one person than 3 or 4 at a time.

People just dont get this one.
Yeah, my health bar is falling...is anyone elses??? No, SO SHUTIT and heal me *****.

Barbs eff tee double yoo!

[Tenkari_Rozahas]

you forgot one....

You have stupidity Syndrome! Where you do dumb things without thinking, or when you run through traps several times when you got a rogue in the party, jump off high ledges without FF or anything on.

Clerics can only heal wounds, not stupidity, so try to restrain yourself around my clerics when you have the SS.