Banishing immunity

[Drak]

elementals immune to banishing, this is utter BS.

there is no reason WHATSOEVER for this immuntiy to exist at all, nor for elementals to be immune to hold monster.

If anything the devs have ever done is to be considered a nerf, this is the one

Bending the tried and true rules of dnd is one thing, but this is utterly breaking ignoring and disregarding them

signed, utterly PO'd

[Gimpster]

elementals immune to banishing, this is utter BS.

there is no reason WHATSOEVER for this immuntiy to exist at all, nor for elementals to be immune to hold monster.
That is somewhat true.

Elementals should be vulnerable to Hold Monster by the PnP rules. However, the PnP rules have them immune to Banishing weapons if they have 25 HD or more. That is a mistake in the books, because it is bad game design- they should simply have a bonus to their saving throw according to how much their HD exceed's the weapon's caster level.

But the Banishing limit is in accordance with the rules as written.

[Cowdenicus]

and the spell?

[Drak]

I am talking about CR 18 earth elementals, for example, in POP.
Absolutly no reason for them to have immunity

they are not 25 HD, the weapon says 25 HD or less, so they should not be immune at all EVER

[Shyan]

I'd say the reason you cant banish them when you are doing Pop is that each cell is actually on their home plane and leaves nowhere to banish them back to.

[Aspenor]

I am talking about CR 18 earth elementals, for example, in POP.
Absolutly no reason for them to have immunity

they are not 25 HD, the weapon says 25 HD or less, so they should not be immune at all EVER

CR does not equal HD. Stop making up your own rules.

Banishing weapons do not exist in PnP. Turbine may make any rules about them they wish.

[Drak]

aspenor , what i would like to say to you right now would have me banned in a heart beat.

with no reason whatsoever you attacked me, just go home and use your lotion

[Gimpster]

Banishing weapons do not exist in PnP. Turbine may make any rules about them they wish.
Banishing weapons are found on page 113 of Book of Exalted Deeds. Turbine altered them by making it an on-crit effect instead of an on-hit effect, by raising the plus cost, and by prohibiting them from slashing weapons (all of which were good changes).

However, the restriction against targets of over 24 HD is exactly from PnP. As mentioned, that is a bad rule because the Banishing weapon should function similarly to the Dismissal spell- high HD could give a monster a huge bonus to his save, but he still should have a chance of failing.

This isn't the only magic item DDO took from BOED. Twilight and Sacred armors are also from it.

[Aspenor]

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This isn't the only magic item DDO took from BOED. Twilight and Sacred armors are also from it.

My bad on that then, Gimp. But they are still following the rules.

Banishers are not in the SRD and that is what I based my assertion on.

I don't see why it matters anyway. You don't need to use banishers in POP. That's what casters are for.

[Aspenor]

aspenor , what i would like to say to you right now would have me banned in a heart beat.

with no reason whatsoever you attacked me, just go home and use your lotion

LOL. Attacked. /shrug

If you can't handle somebody disagreeing with you, please do not post here on these boards. There was no part of my post that attacked you.

[Rokurgepta]

aspenor , what i would like to say to you right now would have me banned in a heart beat.

with no reason whatsoever you attacked me, just go home and use your lotion

If anything you attacked him. And quite rudely i must say.

[Gimpster]

This isn't the only magic item DDO took from BOED. Twilight and Sacred armors are also from it.
Oh, I see that apparently also the Enfeebling, Paralyzing, and Righteous weapons are from there.

[dragnmoon]

I'd say the reason you cant banish them when you are doing Pop is that each cell is actually on their home plane and leaves nowhere to banish them back to.

That Is exactly why they can not be banished... This is from Eladrin a DDO Developer


Banishing only works on extraplanar creatures, and the various entities trapped in the Prison of the Planes actually aren't. The chambers, as noticable from the various planar environmental effects, are actually on their "home planes" when active, thanks to the mysteries of planar conjunctions.

[Drak]

I see and understand the resoning for in pop, i was already outraged at not being able to hold them anywhere at all, this is ludicrous, the banishing in pop thing just tipped me over the edge, and made me make this post, though now i see why it is so.


If anything you attacked him. And quite rudely i must say.

The attack was insinuating i was making up rules, in defence of turbine. Where I was actually railing against them for doing exactly that. And he actually used an example that was nothing to do with the real reason for the immunity, who is the one just being argumentative there ?

[Aspenor]

I see and understand the resoning for in pop, i was already outraged at not being able to hold them anywhere at all, this is ludicrous, the banishing in pop thing just tipped me over the edge, and made me make this post, though now i see why it is so.



The attack was insinuating i was making up rules, in defence of turbine. Where I was actually railing against them for doing exactly that. And he actually used an example that was nothing to do with the real reason for the immunity, who is the one just being argumentative there ?

You have no clue what a personal attack is, drak :)

and uh, you were railing against them for making up rules they didn't make up?? you're not going to find any sympathy here.

[MysticTheurge]

Elementals are immune to paralysis. Hold spells paralyze their target.

Gimpster believes that paralysis and being paralyzed are two different things according to the D&D rules, which is kind of almost supported by the rules, but everyone else (including WotC customer service) believe that paralysis and being paralyzed are just two different words referring to the same thing (like Ability Drain and being Ability Drained). This means that Elementals are immune to Hold spells.

[The_Cataclysm]

That Is exactly why they can not be banished... This is from Eladrin a DDO Developer

At some point Eladrin should check his own coding because they can be banished in their own cells via the spells. On elite though their HD is just too high for banishing weapons to work.