Perfect two weapon fighting feat

[Lizardgrad89]

I am in a quandry.

I would like to get the Greater two weapon fighting feat now, but because I am going up to level 14, to do so I will need to take a fighter level. This will be my second fighter level, and I hate to use it now.

I want to get perfect two weapon fighting with this character, but I fear I may not be able to until after level 18, and so wouldn't be able to take it without having a fighter level available.

My question is, what is the likely BAB needed for PTWF? I will have +11 at level 14, so if it continues to raise by +5, it will be +16 BAB, and I would not be able to get it before level 19 at the earliest.

Am I right in thinking BAB +16? Does anyone have any good inside info or even just an educated guess based on PnP rules?

[Aranticus]

a little to understand your questions coz you did not post your current build. BAB is less of a concern with 2WF builds. finesse is. most of the dex TWF builds usually have finesse to boost up their attack score. however, the most recent builds involve 2WF dwarven builds which has high strength and use axes

[SteeleTrueheart]

Perfect Weapon Fighting is an Epic feat. Don't expect it before level 21.

See the link here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#perfectTwoWeaponFighting).

[Lizardgrad89]

Thank you for the note on it being an epic feat. That helps resolve the issue.

As for the build question, that's not really relevant. The requirement to get the feat is a Dex Minimum (mine is currently 30, no worries there), and a BAB minimum. BAB is a function of build and level, but all I wanted to know was what the BAB would likely be and I can pretty much figure out my level from there.

But if it helps clarify things, my build is as follows (I went ahead and took lvl 14 in Rogue. GTWF will just have to wait for mod 5.)

Rogue 11
Pally 2
Ftr 1

Str 12
Con 16
Dex 30
Int 23 (where is my +6 int hat? Come on +1 weekend!)
Wis 13
Cha 16

Feats:

Weapons Finesse
Improved Two weapon fighting
Precision
Spot +3
Search +3

[kendo]

Thank you for the note on it being an epic feat. That helps resolve the issue.

As for the build question, that's not really relevant. The requirement to get the feat is a Dex Minimum (mine is currently 30, no worries there), and a BAB minimum. BAB is a function of build and level, but all I wanted to know was what the BAB would likely be and I can pretty much figure out my level from there.

But if it helps clarify things, my build is as follows (I went ahead and took lvl 14 in Rogue. GTWF will just have to wait for mod 5.)

Rogue 11
Pally 2
Ftr 1

Str 12
Con 16
Dex 30
Int 23 (where is my +6 int hat? Come on +1 weekend!)
Wis 13
Cha 16

Feats:

Weapons Finesse
Improved Two weapon fighting
Precision
Spot +3
Search +3

keep in mind that the dex requirement is not based on your pumped up value after items, enhancements, etc. it is your raw base dex. though if you have 30 pumped up, you probably have enough base.

twf requires 15 dex, improved requires 17. I thought greater required 19, but it's also listed at 17 but with a higher BAB (11) needed.

[Ekental]

greater is changed to 17 in DDO, as items in DDO do not affect the feat requisite.

You can expect any additional lvl of TWF to likely be 19 or higher.

[sigtrent]

You can expect any additional lvl of TWF to likely be 19 or higher.

I doubt it. Only one race can even start that hight and it is bad game design to introduce new elements that require extreem choices early in character development to be usefull. I think all the TWF feats are likely to remain 17+ dex required. Of course this is pure speculation.

[Impaqt]

I doubt it. Only one race can even start that hight and it is bad game design to introduce new elements that require extreem choices early in character development to be usefull. I think all the TWF feats are likely to remain 17+ dex required. Of course this is pure speculation.
Dont forget that TOmes, and Level up Points absolutely count twoards Prereqs.... Hopefully Items will someday as well (Since they do in PnP)

Perfect TWF Requires a 25 Dex in PnP.... I would expect the DDO Requirement to be at least 19 (TO account for +6 Stat Items)

[Uska]

Dont forget that TOmes, and Level up Points absolutely count twoards Prereqs.... Hopefully Items will someday as well (Since they do in PnP)

Perfect TWF Requires a 25 Dex in PnP.... I would expect the DDO Requirement to be at least 19 (TO account for +6 Stat Items)

Doubt if they do items as it would complicate coding which we dont need in pnp the feat ceases to work if you lose item or if it is destroyed.

[Aranticus]

Thank you for the note on it being an epic feat. That helps resolve the issue.

As for the build question, that's not really relevant. The requirement to get the feat is a Dex Minimum (mine is currently 30, no worries there), and a BAB minimum. BAB is a function of build and level, but all I wanted to know was what the BAB would likely be and I can pretty much figure out my level from there.

But if it helps clarify things, my build is as follows (I went ahead and took lvl 14 in Rogue. GTWF will just have to wait for mod 5.)

Rogue 11
Pally 2
Ftr 1

Str 12
Con 16
Dex 30
Int 23 (where is my +6 int hat? Come on +1 weekend!)
Wis 13
Cha 16

Feats:

Weapons Finesse
Improved Two weapon fighting
Precision
Spot +3
Search +3

build is relevant. to build on my post, twf feats past ITWF will need both dex and BAB. most of the dex twf builds are usually rgr or ftr based and thus BAB is not of a concern. however your build is not most would see and thus might have different concerns.

your 2 pally n 1 ftr gives you 3 BAB, while your rog11 gives 8 BAB. this gives u a total of 11 BAB which makes you eligible for GTWF. should the next lvl increase comes, and u get 2 more rog lvl, your BAB will be 12 at L16. should you continue getting rog lvls, at L21 you'll possibly have 16BAB. i do not know if that is enough for the PTWF but if it isnt, you may have to take a couple of ftr/rgr/bbn/pal lvl to boost it up

for dwarven builds, they normally have a high str and is usually a rgr. does BAB does not really affect them but dex could be a factor. most of them would trump up the dex using item to +8 or +10 bonus to make use of kundarak delving suit or suit + daggertooth belt. take away the enhancements and item, their dex may only meet the GTWF requirement of 17

[Freeman]

Doubt if they do items as it would complicate coding which we dont need in pnp the feat ceases to work if you lose item or if it is destroyed.

I think he meant they would set the requirement at 25 - 6 = 19 so that it would be the equivalent of a PnP character with a +6 Dex item. That way, they don't actually have to code in the items, yet still retain the intent of the requirement in PnP.

[negative]

Regarding the comment of it being an Epic feat, I theorize that this will not be the case in DDO.

Because of the extra attacks above and beyond PnP that we get here in DDO, in order for TWF to "keep up" with other melee styles, we will need a TWF feat that adds another attack to the chain at BAB +16 (and probably BAB+21 as well, if we ever get there). Otherwise, we all might as well delete our TWF builds, as that will be the final nail in the coffin.

Based on the current implementation, this TWF feat will most likely require BAB+16 and 19 Dex. Incidentally, I hear this is what was required when the feat in question existed in Beta.